Ring-Loc Valve Tutorial

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Ton gives us an in-depth look at how the new Ring-Loc valve and valve cap kits allow you to tune your Airforce air rifle just the way you like it!

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@jeffreyeppard9360 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir I’ll be placing my order for that 46 shots that’s awesome

@fred9532 5 жыл бұрын

Great video, by the way. You should do one swapping barrels for us, please. Fred. I'm waiting for my crown slug liners.

@garypostell5268 3 жыл бұрын

Outstanding Airforce!💯🇺🇸💪

@trinitymaker5833 5 жыл бұрын

I have a question regarding this new adjustable output tophat..... I'm hoping you'll take the time to answer it. I understand having the flexibility to control the output volume of air to customize shooting different projectiles. I think the concept is awesome. But at one point in the video you demonstrate how to change to a new orifice. You remove the old one and replace it with a smaller one. But before you cinch in down, you pull back the breech to make sure there's no slack or residual movement (be it ever so small), and that the breech sit flush against the crown/stop on the tophat. By doing this, aren't you increasing the time the valve stays open when the hammer strikes the breech? I have a massively customized Condor that I have dumped a LOT of money into. I am forever trying to tune the gun to get it to shoot perfectly. One of the MAJOR issues people tend to overlook when tuning one of your air rifles for accuracy is efficiency of air released when the hammer strikes the valve. The old tophat (as well as what I can see from the new one) gives the shooter the flexibility to adjust the length of stroke of the tophap by backing out the .050 set screws and raising or lowering the crown of the tophat by turning the crown clockwise (shortening the stroke) or counterclockwise (lengthening the stroke) to adjust the amount of air released. Both ends of the breech have a 90 Durometer O-ring in them that expand to seal around the breech of the barrel and the exit port of the tophat simultaneously. Due to the placement of the O-ring, and the physics behind how it works, you have the flexibility to lengthen or shorten the stroke of the tophat by 1 or 2 millimeters, and still have the necessary components fall within the reach of the O-rings inside of the breech. There are several facets that go into properly "tuning" your gun to make it as accurate as possible. People focus in on muzzle velocity as their benchmark. Say for instance that 900-930 FPS is the sweet spot for the JSB 33.94gr pellets in .25 caliber. So people get their guns dialed in to achieve that velocity. Then they cannot understand why they get spinners and their groups may not be as tight a some competitive manufacturers air rifles. That's because even though they are achieving the correct velocity for the projectile, they are putting way too much air behind it, because the stroke of the tophat inside the valve is too long, and after the pellet leaves the end of the barrel at the muzzle, the extra air is also released behind it. This air is volatile and turbulent, and causes instability in the projectile right out of the gate. Fortunately pellets "right" themselves, so although the extra air will cause instability, the pellet typically won't wander too far for the intended target. But if you're using your AF rifle to shoot slugs, this causes massive issues, and massive frustration. I almost wanted to take a sledgehammer to my gun at times. I literally had to walk away for hours or days sometimes until I found the energy to attempt to tune it again. But I think the most overlooked/minimized facet of tuning the AF rifles in length of stroke. You know you've got it right when the sound of the rifle is a VERY short crack, and your gun becomes very efficient with the air it's using. By using just enough air to get the pellet to exit without having extra air leaving the end of the barrel behind the pellet (destabilizing it), the AF rifles can shoot like a LAZER BEAM! But I guess the whole point of me writing this was to emphasize this, since in your video you snugged the end of the tophat up against the breech. Since you are the expert, and since most AF gun owners won't invest the time to properly tune their guns, they may believe that this should always be done when changing the orifice out, which simply isn't true. But thank you for the video. I enjoy watching you on KZbin.

@nickhathaway4617 5 жыл бұрын

Did you do the o-ring trick behind the 🎩? Just wondering if I should or not my first AF and I guess I have a lot to learn and you seem to know what your talking about thanks

@trinitymaker5833 5 жыл бұрын

@@nickhathaway4617 I sent you a reply on the video you have posted of your dog talking to your cat.

@fred9532 5 жыл бұрын

I ordered the ring log valve kit, but then had to order the tank with the proper valve. It arrives today. I'm getting pretty nice performance with the older high flow valve. using a .25 cal 18 " barrel, with a 52 grain NSA w\hollow point slug fired at 898 fps , I get 93.13 fpe. This rips a soda can of water apart. These are accurate. It's a condor ss. .22 and .25. Might just have to get a long .257 barrel ?

@bctpcp9546 2 жыл бұрын

Looks great!

@garypostell5268 3 жыл бұрын

Outstanding thank you 🇺🇸💯💪

@MyK6Gixxer 5 жыл бұрын

Great video and very informative, I’ll be placing my order today. On a side note in the making of this video, what was the power wheel set at and did it stay the same for the entire 2 strings

@AirForceAirguns1 5 жыл бұрын

It was set at about 6, and yes, stayed the same through all tests.

@sowhat3459 4 жыл бұрын

Great job!

@randycombs112 3 жыл бұрын

Question. Why not just tighten the hat down, then move the unit forward setting for no play? Then your only using the one wrench to bring it all forward or back. New to this. Thanks.

@nickhathaway4617 5 жыл бұрын

Quick question you say do it so there's no slack everywhere on the forum's say the space between the back should be the thickness of a quarter if I do it so my breeches nice and with no wiggle the space in the back is definitely thicker than quarter so do I do the quarter method what do I do at so there's no slack in the breach sorry just got a talonp and it's my first Air Force

@AirForceAirguns1 5 жыл бұрын

Either will work, to be honest. We showed the "no-wiggle" method in the video as it is the easiest to achieve on the fly but if you are wanting to maximize shot count or tune the valve stroke the quarter method is a little more efficient as the valve stroke is shortened slightly.

@putrathehunter1625 Жыл бұрын

How about power whell di you used max whell or zero power when for all Valve top hat cap🙏🙏

@oldschool0072 Жыл бұрын

I have a .177 talon that's dumping air do you think this will work

@highwayman1224 4 жыл бұрын

Nice! I bet on power 5 or 6 you could get a ridiculous amount of shots!!

@ralstonraz 6 жыл бұрын

Fantastic. Does this fit on all airforce airguns? Also does it fit on the older ones?

@AirForceAirguns1 6 жыл бұрын

It works with all of our current production valves, however, existing guns can be upgraded by either purchasing a new tank with the new valve already installed or sending the existing tank in for a retrofit to the new valve.

@ralstonraz 6 жыл бұрын

@@AirForceAirguns1 ok. Thanks

@garypostell5268 3 жыл бұрын

Power wheel set on what?

@glenmarshall4389 Жыл бұрын

Can you use yhis on Talon SS .22 ?

@gedeartha2368 4 жыл бұрын

How to get it....??

@fred9532 5 жыл бұрын

My talo SS is new, but older. It does not have the set nut behind the top hat. Will I need a different valve or to send the air tank into airforce to have it modified ? Thank you, Fred. I love this rifle. I have a Crown, Impact, and several others. This is very cool. Powerfull.

@AirForceAirguns1 5 жыл бұрын

Hey Fred, you can either order a new tank and it will come with the new valve already installed or send your tank in and we can change out the valve. Give our customer service line a call at 877-247-4867 for more info! Thanks!

@fred9532 5 жыл бұрын

@@AirForceAirguns1 Thank you for the fast reply. It's a Condor SS, not a talon. Thank you. I will call.

@fred9532 5 жыл бұрын

@@AirForceAirguns1 called your place of business and they took care of all details quickly. Thank you for the quick response. I will make a .257 monster out of this.

@oldschool0072 Жыл бұрын

@@fred9532 m

@longislandairgunner1600 4 жыл бұрын

What size valve is on a TalonP? And will this kit work on a TalonP?

@AirForceAirguns1 4 жыл бұрын

If you order the TalonP new, you will get a ringloc vlave, if its an older TalonP then it can be upgraded to a ring-loc vlave. The TalonP ships with the widest orifice we offer

@bubbanater1984 4 жыл бұрын

Just checked my condor .25 I don’t have the valve that can use this kit. Can that be ordered also

@AirForceAirguns1 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, you can either send in your tank and we can swap the valves for you, or you can order a new tank with the valve already installed

@bubbanater1984 4 жыл бұрын

AirForce Airguns how much would that cost me I sent an email.

@AirForceAirguns1 4 жыл бұрын

@@bubbanater1984 $249.95 for the tank with the new valve already installed. $49.95 for the orifice kit.

@bubbanater1984 4 жыл бұрын

AirForce Airguns what about to send my tank in and install the valve

@AirForceAirguns1 4 жыл бұрын

@@bubbanater1984 Depends on what series of tank your rifle uses and if we need to do a spinlock upgrade or not. Give us a call at 1.877.247.4867 and we can get a quote for you.