Riot is Trying to Remove This Role from League of Legends...

[@Ravlol]

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[@OberyhnTheWise]

I prefer Mobalytics

[@kmetz2]

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[@notlisztening9821]

4:48 I'm sorry bro, but revanced auto skips ad segments, so I don't even have to actively recoil at the word "ad" :'D

[@iratevagabond204]

As a support main, my ADCs are either brainless, or gods. The funny thing is, when I have a good ADC, our top or mid is usually pushed to inhib by 15mins.

[@Zarosu123]

And lemmie guess, that godlike adc doesn't matter at all when enemy top goes 12/0 in the span of these minutes?

[@0Blueaura]

@@Zarosu123 reason why i stopped playing in like season 4 lol

[@floo0o0]

​@@Zarosu123 tbh I don't mind better players winning. What fucking sucks is the 12/0 renekton solo wins the game, 12/0 adc still doesn't do jackshit without teammates. It also doesn't help that by default, if you are ahead as an adc you are barely on par with solo laners. What you got early lead and 4 kills out of laning phase? Well irelia went 0/0 has 1 item and kills you 1v2, while negating half your damage cuz she bought tabis. Unfortunate.

[@UbiycaCrabov]

@@floo0o0 let me tell you 1 basic concept of lanes in lol. every lane has 1 champ, but bot lane has 2 , which means that if they not working together adc cant pop off.

[@RatSlayerGaming]

@@UbiycaCrabovI have a vod on my channel that says the opposite. Support purposely inter and told us to ff. They went 0/12/0 saying bot diff when they’d run melee range into a pantheon. I told them to leave the game cuz we’d win without them. They left, we won.

[@Geert_Stradmeijer]

❌AD Carry ✅Bait for assassins

[@yessir2456]

as an assassin player I approve this message

[@davidaleksidze3381]

ADC has never been weak, just the playerbase is egotistical so they beg for buffs even when they're overtuned.

[@LoathsomePopoEater]

@@davidaleksidze3381 sure buddy, I agree a lot of players are egotistical. But Adc roll is 100% trash and has been weak so many times dont kid yourself there.

[@RatSlayerGaming]

@@davidaleksidze3381yup sure. When I’m 21/1/3 but the score is 59-24 in favor of them it’s my egos fault for not being top lane to stop them from going 0/16/0 before the first tower is gone. Got it.

[@supe_nova]

@@RatSlayerGaming what rank?

[@Jrakula10]

bro the cuts of the streamers interjecting shitting on adc was a nice touch.

[@Mperez223m]

Not only do adcs need the most time out of every lane to fully get online with items, we are 2-3 levels behind everyone else. Even when we are ahead it doesn’t matter because here comes Katarina with her million dashes or kayn just popping out at you from the walls or malphite saving his R just to perma all in you with ignite every time. And God forbid you fall behind on adc because you’re practically a canon minion that gives more gold at that point.

[@MangaGamified]

Glad this issue is more prevalent now and now penetrates to younger and younger audiences, this issue was always being pushed back to infinity cause kids always spam memes like "skill issue" or "X diff" without context. Undermining the issue to infinity.

[@hashinemiretsien9920]

@@MangaGamified My champ with most mastery to this day is Jhin, stopped playing since now there's a bunch of champs that can just win a decisive fight using an op ult and flash even when ur far away

[@MangaGamified]

@@hashinemiretsien9920 I wish you happy in your new chapter in life, that's just life

[@krondor007]

Did a game yesterday where we won after losing for about 40 minutes, took over 50 min, Jinx had 4/18/8. Also as a cait being outranged by senna was so much fun to lose the match and range.

[@skeley6776]

its nearly like Senna is giga broken but she isnt getting real nerfs because Phreak used to main her and he likes her.

[@MangaGamified]

not to be rude but, the items carried the role at that stage, essentially an avatar for items.

[@nexarr]

Non ADC players: skill issue (they killed the ADC in 0.00sec with a point and click ability)

[@streetmp]

😂😂

[@mistahstyle]

1800 true damage from an unknown source as well

[@StrawberryPidgey]

@@mistahstyle I love when Casseopiea hits me with her E like 3 times and does 650 true damage somehow

[@autisonm]

@@StrawberryPidgey She's the "ADC" of mages so it makes sense.

[@justanordinaryKite]

As a former kha'zix main, yes. (But this was an issue long before now.)

[@intoHeck1964]

Part of the issue is adcs are squishy af, but anytime they get a decent survival item (shieldbow), it gets abused by melee champs. So, rather than balance the items for ranged champs, Riot nerfs the item completely making it useless on ranged champs.

[@hashinemiretsien9920]

Not only that, but a good amount of times there's champs that have an initiation tool that just gives 0 fks about ur adc's mobility, too far because they position well? Flash the decisive battle and win

[@Dirtnap12]

As a support main, I feel nothing but pity for anyone drafted to play ADC.

[@MangaGamified]

I played ADC mundo but only in name, my items was still tank, long story short; had the best "ADC" experience Since S1 or something. Even won 4v5 and got the token that I won games even if it was 4v5

[@Mr.Hashimi30]

I play swain so it's nice I usually win 20-25 minutes into the game.

[@alexithymia6288]

Well when a role is balanced around the top 2% of players since it's only actually useful and reliable in those matches (Master+ and pro play), you get a role that feels like garbage for the other 98% of players lol

[@autisonm]

Top 2%? That shit is balanced around pro play.

[@beatles42ohgg94]

@@autisonm so,l the top 2 percent?

[@iIyboo]

@@beatles42ohgg94 you think pro play is top 2%? more like top 0.001% lmfao

[@IMIv2]

@@iIyboo 0.00001%

[@Microtardz]

It has to be balanced around pro play. That's how strong of a mechanic stutter stepping is. Riot still hasn't learned the lesson DotA taught it decades ago. That having no turning speed is fundamentally broken. So the role of primary carry (ADC) gets weaker & squishier as the years go by. Because it's the only way to balance it when at the highest level they're basically untouchable. In a pro game, a Riven or a Rengar would never even touch the ADC.

[@kogmawgaming]

OG's will remember the ADC hate train on the official boards. Guess they finally won after all

[@onlymyself1234]

It's me i'm the ADC hater. The concept of a role that only consists of physical damage squishy ranged characters exclusively is absolutely terrible for the game. There's like 20 ADCs, it's a pathetic amount, and the fact that so many resources are placed into trying to make this restrictive role work is the source of all of League's design problems. Yes, ALL. LoL would be better if the "bot lane marksman" role straight up didn't exist. The ranged carries can still exist, but they should be forced to coexist with other types of carries like melee carries or lategame AP hyperscalers like Veigar and Kayle. Y'know, just like DotA has multiple types of carries, and every other MOBA in existence. Make the role more diverse, overhaul it completely and you have a better game.

[@Moffattt]

oh no not at all. now they are hated for being useless instead. there is no winning for adc players

[@kogmawgaming]

@@Moffattt one must imagine the ADC player happy

[@a4g4st0]

​@@kogmawgaming schrodinger's adc, they are either absolutely broken or trash unplayable we dont know until we see the preseason patchnotes

[@arionell]

@@onlymyself1234 yea just completely overhaul it... sure lmao. How are you going to balance around this dented idea exactly? Speed is the best stat in the game. Range is the second best stat in the game. If there are going to be a character that can shoot arrows, they MUST be ranged. You balance range by making them squishy. You balance squishy by making them deal lots of damage. There isn't a way to overhaul the role because of the concept. Even if there was, no smart dev would ever rework an ENTIRE role and lose 1/3 of their playerbase overnight.

[@realLagMaster]

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[@savitar5985]

ADC's role ain't carry anymore but being bait 💀

[@dankmemes8254]

Attack Damage Carried

[@Staleyisnowinchains]

ADB = attack damage bait sad days for League

[@Ecliptor.]

This but unironically. All you do as adc nowadays is minimize deaths while farming for 30 min, and pray that your team didn't FF and lets you farm mid.

[@artug92]

And of course morons want to group mid for no reason and steal your exp and gold. Your support in 40 mins has 2 vision score and 11 deaths, top is afk farming jungler and the jungler pings dragon while he is at the base but goes to take raptoprs for some reason instead leaving you at the dragon pit alone and die. ​@@Ecliptor.

[@MrSolomonGaming]

AD Carry has the issue that they level slower and hard rely on heavy CS investment to where they need 3-4 items to really kick off. They keep the exp low because Support is actually a generally strong role overall.

[@felaze3486]

Should honestly make that you won't get XP with supp item and just get it from ur supp item so adc gets full XP value

[@endefisto123]

@@felaze3486 Can't work because people will abuse mages who just scale better than adc's by default. Thing is in Pro the support sacks xp so the adc can get all of it and you have adc's on equal level with the rest or maybe a level or so down with supports that are down 4-5 levels. On top of that in pro people peel their adc's in solo que they let you die almost all the time but there are rare games where the entire team has the same idea and protects the adc and those are fun for an adc main but that happens 1 in 100 games at best.

[@BlastBoyX]

ADC is the most fun role in the game when people actually peel for you, which is never.

[@JustAGuyWithThoughts]

ADC is reliant on team and team play. So when everyone thinks they’re 1v9 and riot gives everyone the one thing ADCs don’t have, mobility, then they’re entirely gimped by the game design. Back 10 years ago teams would actually flex pick for team comp and ADC had a place, now you’re either jumped as your whole team runs away cause you’re immobile or running to catch up to the fight but unable to. Game design and champ design has gimped the role for 99% of the player base LoL has today.

[@thomasbishop3494]

The fact that a mid-lane mage going an off-meta build is a better ADC than 90% of the roster tells you all you need to know about the state of this role.

[@Nuvizzle]

Don't worry ADC is finally fixed now that there's no counter to Morde flash ulting you with an effective instant kill point and click ability, huge quality of life improvement for ADC.

[@autist1cvoice]

ult doesnt deal damage

[@hugonamur4013]

​@@autist1cvoiceit doesn't, but being caged and unable to kite morde properly, with him just needing to hit 3 autos to kill you with his passive and now absolutely no way to escape is pretty much a point click safe kill.

[@hashinemiretsien9920]

Meanwhile, Malzahar is out there still being able to be removed it's ult with QSS. Ofc it's a supress, but I had a game where I was pretty much the only reliable damage dealer and... both carries built QSS.

[@ez_breezy7406]

The problem is adc is really fucking good in pro play and very high elo, however for us 99.9% not in grandmaster+ the role is fuckin worthless because adc’s need a team to play around them for them to excel.

[@ragegaze3482]

Need is probably a strong word, I'm sure any adc player in high elo could easily smurf their way right back up just like any other role could. Showing that's it's still ultimately a skill issue at the end of the day whether you win or not, normally.

[@han-pq3qp]

@@ragegaze3482 your logic is flawed, if you do half the effort in other roles you will 100% be higher elo than your adc account, i stoped playing lol in a while (jungle main evelynn otp), and i have deep hatered towards adcs, cuz they are the biggest weakness in the team, if your enemy adc is fed, there is so little you can do to win.

[@han-pq3qp]

@@ragegaze3482 my point is, the skills and effort required to climb is massively different in each role and therefore you cannot judge roles in the same rank by skill, for example you can do 20% the effort as support and reach higher elo than an adc account

[@YuYuYuna_]

You don't need a team to play around you is the thing. This is how ADC is. You either have to accept that there will be games where you can be 5/0 bot or have a shit matchup and your support doesn't even want to try so you are forced to afk farm and try to go even or maybe have a small CS lead and your team is feeding top/mid/jg... or you just won't climb. ADC is exactly what Caedrel said: It is a survival horror role. Everyone wants to kill you (and they can) and no one is coming to help you. Your job is to play consistent, farm very well (8+ cs/m) and not die or die a lot early (less than 3 deaths @ 15). That's the bare minimum. Now if you are more inclined you can learn matchups better, learn wave management so you just naturally end up with 30-40-50-60~ cs leads coming out of lane (especially in low elo where no one knows how to farm and always recall on bad timers). ADC isn't a useless role, it's actually pretty fun if you learn to thrive in that survival horror setting. You either learn to thrive in that setting or you just become a whiner and complain every game about how useless ADC can feel in some games when you're doing fine bot but you see your top/mid/jg are 0/8 0/5 and 0/6 at 15 minutes. It's a constant struggle role, but it's not useless. You just need to have a really good mental to play ADC and focus on your own play, farming well, trading well (autoing enemy ADC when they go for a last hit, etc.), basing after crashing the wave (stack waves ideally if you can so you lose less), learn jg tracking, always ward at 2:40~, etc. tons of things you can do as ADC to set yourself up for success and these things DO matter. If you do these things enough you will climb. I just got diamond for the 1st time with a 57% wr in 180 games. It was a stressful nightmare but it is possible.

[@nicholasfigueiredo3171]

@@ragegaze3482 I am LITERALLY challenger and I get between 55 and 60% winrate playing in gold... I always swap to sup/jungle because both roles have autofilled protection in my region until I hit diamond 2 when I finally swap back to playing adc and I do this around 80% winrate in my 2 worst roles... My best one is obviously adc followed by mid/top/sup/jungle in order. To be honest I don't even think adcs are weak it is mostly that there is no useful defensive option against lethality... Adc it was supposed to win against assassins late game if you dodge most of their combo and you had a defensive item but you take true damage because everypoint of lethality stacks and % damage applys first they have like 90 lethality + at least 30% shred by late game so you need at least 2 armour itens to survive but now you don't deal damage. So 1 defensive item doesn't matter so you just go full damage and pray that your support is human

[@bread3365]

as a ekko one trick i find adcs to be like a little reward for all my hard work locking in :)

[@hhunter77]

10:06 umm akshually rav since senna's gun is magic it probably doesn't way anything on the other hand jinx's rocket launcher probably weighs more at least 5 pounds since that what the nerf version of it weighs that i spent way too much money on

[@Mediamatix]

10:15 the support didn't just "walk into danger" there, she checked the map and saw the mid laner pathing down through river and took the opportunity to 2v1 their jungler while their bot was off position.

[@oussamamansour2491]

its only natural that adc are weakest . everytime that role gets buffed the game breaks . its almost impossible to balence a role that mainly deals damage at the cost of nothing. you literally do damage with your auto attacks . and if you noticed . every adc that gets a mobility buff or a base health buff turns into a top laner or a jungler . quinn, graves, vayen ...

[@calebwsurpris3]

Simply wrong. It's because they're paired with the most broken and most influential role in the game due to the design of a duo lane where devs don't know bow to balance and don't realize that one role not being picked isn't a problem with the players, it's a problem with the game.

[@yurilopes420]

Quinn and graves were moved because their kits don't work well in the bot lane VS 2 Champs as well as them scaling really well with levels unlike normal adcs

[@mufasafalldown8401]

Dang! y'all should join the riot dev team 😂

[@TheEstafista]

I would say there's more to it. First of all ADC are glass cannons. They can do alot of damage quite fast but can be killed easily. The problems wiyh ADC role begin then tanks started doing damage. Because it used to be that tanks can't really kill ADC's easily. In season 6 or 7 tanks needed to plat smart to kill adc. It was possible - sire but there was some skill needed. Now... Well now it's not the case. Some tanks can kill ADC's in a 1v1 mid game. Some brusers can damn near oneshot ADC's (camille). That's where problems begin. ADC needs to play damn near perfectly to deal with a tank/brusers 1v1 and if it's 2v1... Ur dead. Second problem - mobility. Every champ has a dash. This makes some ADC super dependant on supports. So even if your AD plays perfectly if his support messes up AD is just dead. So to keep one person alive 2 ppl need to play well? Hmm... And there are cases where your support will engage. I. E. Your support Thresh hits his hook on enemy ADC. He will go in and then enemy Noc will just dive your AD and kill him. And lastly there's damage to towers. AD role used to be only role that does damage to towers. Now mages do damage based on AP, tanks do damage from runes. So AD role is not required as mush as it used to be. I think these are the main reason ADC role is pretty much dead. They have no way to survive. Low damage while being easy target themselfs. Dependant on support. And not as needed for DPS as they used to be. Also you need to play really good constantly just to survive long enough to be able to delive that damage at the end of the day while you are the main target with lowest HP and pretty much no mobility

[@Koneic]

@@TheEstafista The first ever comment on any league related community that points the actual issues. I'd pin it if I could

[@davide.schiaffino]

Adc's have never, are not, and will never be as weak as people think. It's just assassins. Assassins are a design problem and whoever put the first assassin in the game deserves jailtime.

[@i0kiVids]

I'm praying for the day Riot removes ADC players from real life too

[@Ravlol]

we would be friends IRL and u know it

[@Jaybe777]

In game*

[@i0kiVids]

@@Jaybe777 yes, in real life in-game

[@livingkiss]

Senna and Aphelios mains can stay

[@LucanVaris]

@@livingkiss Nah, just Senna, because she's technically a Support. Aphelios has too much of a hipster "I'm better because I'm different" setup.

[@Strongest_under_heaven]

RAAAAJOT JUST GIVE ME 25% CRIT ON ITEMS BACK AND 100 BASE HEALTH AND WE GOOOOOOD

[@davidaleksidze3381]

Stfu gaslighting ADCookielol main.

[@DemonerLycan]

This. I still has no fucking idea what moron streamlined adc's into building full crit with the words "we did it for the build diversity". You can't build GA or randuins, or a situational bork as your last slot without plummeting your dps with being down a crit chance. Meanwhile, both Yone and Yasuo got their crit conversion passive buffed, because god forbid they don't get a 100% crit by two items.

[@Dakksy]

@@davidaleksidze3381 if top can gaslight people into believing that their top has no impact while Zeus 1v9'd worlds, why can't we. I still dislike the changes, because it's just buffs to windshitters and other non-adc champions.

[@godlikemusic6407]

​@@Dakksyyes, and soloq is competitive play. Literal drooler.

[@autist1cvoice]

@@Dakksy u just as bad as those few toplaners who said theres no impact while being second broken role after support

[@amilo5]

It is not an ADC problem it is an Assassin problem just like ceadral pointed out. If the enemy has a champions with 0 counterplay you are not allowed to play as a squishy. Even August and Phreak said they would need to remove every Assassin from the game balance wise to resque the game but that would be a bad business decision. To much money to be gained from elo inflated one shot champion abusers. (no for real they spoke pretty clearly about that topic). So they gave a little bit in and turbo buffed ADC items and champions like Lux to compensate them for not being able to carry if the enemy has Assassins.

[@mrchaoslordlol]

The issue is that even a 0/5 ornn and malphite are assasins for an ADC

[@Malcil]

I mean you could just not play ADCs, idk why ADC is seen as weak when they have a 200%+ appearance rate as a role in games. If you can't play them well or can't have synergy with your team/support then pick a different champ. You can do dirty things with double bruiser lanes if you can end the game early enough/stomp your lane hard enough for example.

[@Gojxd]

Just buy plated steelcaps, stop greeding for glass cannon builds to fuel your ego of (I need to kill a tank in 2 seconds or I'm useless) and actually play to survive

[@KibayuTwitchPrime]

Or bruiser. Or support lol

[@raizors1331]

It's not exactly an Assassin problem actually. It's more of a design decision. ADC is traditionally ultra late game hyper carry, except RIOT pushes for faster gameplay. Faster gameplay equals more damage. If everyone gets more damage, squishy immobile champs that deal a lot of damage suddenly don't feel as special anymore. Why? Because if you can melt the tank in seconds regardless of what you play what's the point of having a class that specializes in dealing damage? It's not like you can delete stuff any faster than just instantly evaporate them.

[@skeley6776]

Support is simply broken and way to rich and u cant buff adc aslong as support is so huge. Senna is the one adc that can abuse giga broken supp items while still getting insane amount of Gold + Senna is one of Phreaks fav champs. Make Supports poor again like they used to be and u can buff adc. 25% crit items would be a good start.

[@nanashialfarr]

why not give an item for adcs like sup and jg got? I think would be good.

[@LeicaFleury]

I remember playing supports when we were poor and it was horrendous; it felt like crap to play the role and the team treated you like some water boy so they could have fun while you didn't. Supports being rich / stronger is one of the best things that happened to the game. There are better ways to buff ADC.

[@autist1cvoice]

@@nanashialfarr jungle item which gives 0 stats lel

[@YuYuYuna_]

@@LeicaFleury wtf do you mean lmao. Nothing has changed about what supports can or can't do since I first started playing in 2017. All the support item rework did was give supports more gold and 2 items early instead of 1. Support has never been about gold income anyways. League is a numbers game - it's the reason why people complain the most about Jungle and Support. You could be trading top or mid or bot and the enemy JG shows up and turns it or the enemy support shows up, helps them secure a crash on the wave and a good recall timing, or they get a kill and then rest, etc. Supports have been able to do the same shit they do now for the past 7-8 years. You help your ADC push lane so they can reset or let the wave bounce back, you roam, you help jg secure scuttle or 2v1 kill enemy jg contesting or invade or flank and gank mid or reset and roam top and gank or help your top reset the wave if it's bad, etc. rinse repeat. That's support in a nutshell. Support has literally never been a bad or unfun role to play. The only reason more people don't play support is because it is boring. It's a strong role that has the 2nd most early game impact next to JG... but it's boring as hell. I tried to role swap to support before and it was fun for the first 30~ games but then the "new-ness" of it wore off and it was boring. Even if I won and made good plays it was boring. I wanted to hit champs and do damage and play more exciting champs. Support players acting like Support is or ever has been weak is insane to me. Only low elo supports say this shit.

[@aviko9560]

@@YuYuYuna_ I am a silver neeko otp mid/support, I like to play mid because of the income and the fact I just focus their adc/jg from the mid game and win. When I get my second role it's a dice roll of how competent my adc is so the boredom comes from the fact that in a duo lane your duo partner is a random brainless player. But I mostly find my fun anyways because if I play smart their adc will cry aswell. I'm a very strict OTP so when I queue botlane I play neeko aswell and it's usually a stomp because I basically can shit on the adc if the support is bad. So playing support vs mid for me is whether or not I trade my money and xp (bit of agency) for more vision control and a random duo partner who can or can't snowball with me.

[@RocoPwnage]

Rav I promise you this game is a million times more fun if you climb out of this horrific piss pool you're stuck in. Like I'm not playing it up, it's actually a different universe.

[@widhehwjab1678]

Thats literally not true lmao even in challenger.

[@winterxx1555]

Damn, you been hanging out with Todd Howard? Your pants is on fire bro. Quit lying.

[@leoncorral5297]

Adcs is probably the one role that breaks the game the most when they are too overturned

[@harambe3363]

i quit league because adc is so bad but it's the only fun role to me. The only way I do good is by playing extremely safe and stalking the minimap so I have an idea where everyone is so I can roam mid. I like to roam mid because it can throw at least one lane off and even disrupt the jungler pathing because well I might be mid if he cant see me. ADC to me now is more about macro than the supp. Its really weird adc is support until late game but the supp is adc all game. I've legit carried so many games just playing bard and it was too easy therefore really boring because now it's just a replicated science. Even if im doing godly as adc it's still a sweatfest because 1 death later into the game can end the game so fast. It's really annoying playing 10-15 min to your powerspike just to be dead for most of it. Have to find so many other ways to impact the game because only in low elo will players let you do dmg. Other than that you will be stalked and punished for even the slightest misstep and worse half the time team doesn't care to peel or be a wall because well they do the same if not really more dmg so f*ck you anyway.

[@jeremiedion-latour6481]

THIS

[@MangaGamified]

just play heroes/honor of kings, mlbb or dota 2

[@shreeanshmahapatra2313]

​@@MangaGamifiedLeave league to play bootleg league(mlbb)...... fantastic idea. Only moba worth going to is Dota 2

[@MangaGamified]

@@shreeanshmahapatra2313 Moontoon and Riot are both owned by Tencent, Tencent also has huge shares on Steam thus Dota 2

[@MangaGamified]

@@shreeanshmahapatra2313 Really cool story bro 👍🥶 **hears Welcome to Mobile Legends! Launch attack! Launch attack!**

[@misterbigglesworth6320]

yeah they need to fuckin remove toplane, as a toplane main (for the CHAMPION POOL) that shit is a failed concept

[@evianwyner8280]

whats wrong with the champions

[@misterbigglesworth6320]

@@evianwyner8280 nothing, i play the lane for the champions, not the lane. the lane is a disaster

[@animalxing8697]

I'm never going to stop one tricking Jhin adc because I'm a masochist. And when i get my big boi buff tomorrow, you're all gonna pay

[@mackadam5894]

I think the meta needs to change to ADC and Support playing in the mid lane. And APC/Assassins playing in the bot lane.

[@gardevoid8412]

I think u need to consider not being mentally ill

[@den1m0ut55]

It feels impossible for midlaners to swap with adc the entire laning roles of league has been burned into our memory also if midlaners swap with adc it runs the possibility that if they ganked Top it will end in a triple kill while champs with high mobility and wave clear like ahri kinda feel off being stuck in one lane when they should be ganking

[@jobliar937]

This would ruin the game

[@gardevoid8412]

Mental sickness

[@TheKalnu]

Personally, I think top lane would make the most sense with how the game has evolved. But I think they also need to add an item that makes it like ARAM where missed CS gives you 6 gold. You'll still be behind someone CSing well but it allows the supports to build non-support items more efficiently since they don't get much gold, and ADCs that struggle due to bad matchup/etc they have a chance to keep up. To stop mids, tops, and junglers from abusing such an item they can make it so that you have to tether to a specific champion and be within a certain range of them. Even in lanes where I do well - either as ADC or Support - the game ends after my 1 and a half(supp) or 2 and a half (ADC) item. ADC was a great role when the games regularly lasted 30+ minutes and everyone could get full build and max level but these days it seems like its 2 or so items, level 7 or so out of 18 and the game is over. You don't get your chance to pop off and shine since you are late game. I remember the days of when after a certain time in a game, Vayne would just become immortal and could 1v5 and get a penta. Not so much anymore.

[@HK-fk6th]

"Alongside moaning ice-cubes" hahahahaha

[@MrTacoSr]

Am I the only one who actually likes playing adc? mf is broken right now, draven can stomp early pub games, and varus is absolutely broken

[@blaster5800]

The problem is that when the adc is finally able to do something for his team, the game has already been decided by mid lane or top lane. Even an average jungler can still help by getting a dragon or voidgrubs. An average adc is literally USELESS.

[@joshmeyer8172]

I don't think ADCs are a problem, I think botlane is the problem. Mid laners aren't scrambling to play their fav mages bot and abuse the enemy ADCs, and ADCs actually feel pretty good when you play them mid or top. Especially top. I actually think if they fixed botlane they'd have to nerf ADCs

[@tudornaconecinii3609]

Yeah, as an enjoyer of varus and vayne toplane, I 100% agree with this. There is something inherently abusable about being the person who has to absorb resources in a 2v2 lane. Ziggs, syndra and cassio (when played botlane) have the same issues traditional adc's have. The problem is not marksmen as an archetype.

[@YuYuYuna_]

There is only 4 ADCs that are "playable" in other roles and 2 of them aren't played mid or top anymore. Lucian used to be played mid but it's trash now and no one plays Varus top anymore. It's only Vayne top and Trist mid that are played now. You can't say ADCs feel good in mid or top when it's only ever been a very small few ADCs played in those roles. Can't play Jinx, Cait, Jhin, Kog, Twitch, Kaisa, Ezreal, Xayah, Samira, Draven, etc. in those roles. Maybe if we are talking about low elo or the enemy laner is an autofilled support main.

[@tudornaconecinii3609]

@@YuYuYuna_ You absolutely can, and there are, in fact, high elo players for both toplane varus and midlane kaisa. I won't mention midlane kogmaw since while he's been played midlane all the way up to pro play, he's not a marksman (the way he's played midlane). And this doesn't even account for the fact that there are two champions (quinn and akshan) which absolutely fit the marksman archetype but aren't "considered" marksmen.

[@NomTheDom]

@@YuYuYuna_ yes you literally can?

[@bradwigger5785]

One reason Adc became irrelevant was the change to allow ap characters to just rip towers apart because they have so much ap. Adcs are no longer needed for objectives anymore and thusly they don't need to be protected in teamfights.

[@sebson1477]

My personal solution: Playing Ziggs. Good tower damage, even better than ADC's I'd say. Good wave clear. More even scaling across the whole game, will deal good damage even at 1 item, where ADC's need 2-3 item core to start dealing tons of damage. TONS of AoE damage where few ADCs can match. CAN take TP as AP carry and side lane effectively. Fun to poke enemy ADC down the whole lane and make them suffer (my favorite part). CAN TAKE HOURGLASS AND IT BE AN OPTIMAL PURCHASE (biggest pro, GA sucks balls). Blow things up :D

[@Bagel12321]

not even gonna watch 1 second of this video before commenting based off the thumbnail only, here it goes Average ADC player complaining that he cant position ggez

[@wsad1337]

A combined 200 years experience of licking windows

[@MrGodPowered]

out of lane, level down, *dead, dead, dead*

[@Kanakotka]

0:52 Caedrel's so full of copium. ADCs do not depend on support to win and supports don't depend on ADCs to win. This isn't season 7. Hasn't been for 7 years.

[@DamienBlade]

I watched the whole sponsorship ad because I didn't even realize it was an ad.

[@mythmage8231]

This is why I pick tank Ashe or Malzahar APC every time I'm autofilled this god-forsaken role. The C now stands for "Companion", not "Carry". Also, Senna being the best ADC just goes to show that either Marksmen need more range or mobility spells need less.

[@jaronl.7500]

The role just needs to be broadened from being a carry to something more like top lane. Maybe the role of support needs to change from just auto babysitting a weak early game champ in bot lane, to just roaming from lane to lane like jungle? But the game needs to change a lot for that. There is just so little flexibility in the role because it’s so defined, I feel that needs to change somehow.

[@Ecliptor.]

On the bright side, that Thresh knew to flay before grab. That makes him challenger compared to the majority of random Thresh players you can get.

[@ravenoushydra7948]

why dont u guys see the problem is ability haste... the entire benefit to being ranged auto attacker is u have consistent dmg outside of ur cooldowns, yeah that doesnt really matter anymore when every ability is 3 sec cd and perma spamming infinite mana and both team has 5 blue buffs just part of why i enjoyed old league more, much higher cooldowns, much less mobility.

[@balazszsigmond826]

All this would be solved by either giving the Marksman role champs exactly 50 health bonus at lv 1, and about 20 more each level, and 5 AD at lv 1 and about 2 at each level. This would make it a viable strategy to buy 1 defensive item to balance things out or to leave that and be an actual threat. Alternatively: give the Marksman role 25 HP at lv 1 and 15 every level, and start ALL marksmen at 15 or 20 movement speed more. This is mobility bloat. Positioning is harder than ever. Being a bit faster could mean at least 1 less death per game. I mean... Shouldn't the enemy at least need to work for the kill or something?

[@eon2330]

The real reason senna and nilah have such a HIGH winrate is. They are considered adcs. So people on your team don't lock in another adc somewhere else. Lock in any NON-marksmen bot and you will be flamed, get a weak support that offers nothing or goes senna, which is almost the same, and maybe someone goes a solo laner adc. Its been a slug trying to get in games without intentional feeders as a non-marksmen. I blame riot for duo quers ruining the role for everyone else. No. Tristana mid vs noc+zed isn't a good idea.

[@maxwebb2290]

adc was created as the damage role. top used to be tank mid with mages. other roles are damage now too which messed with the way each role was balanced making the one damage role negligible

[@ShiroV2]

When you design a 10-player game, in a map with resources only for 8 people, 2 of those 10 people are always gonna be baggage. Early in league it was supports who were basically 300g wardbots for the enemy team to hunt. Nowadays it seems ADCs are getting the short end. The very core of the game is flawed and will never be truly balanced.

[@cloudwalker9572]

I seriously don't know why league isn't a 4v4 game. Like they expected to have 2 junglers? One farming top side jungle and the other bottom side jungle? Pretty instantly the game went with a double lane somewhere.

[@ashbash12387]

I think its mostly the overvalue of range in soloqueue. Riot and pro play treat range as if its the biggest god tier stat ever, but 99.99% of the time an adc gets into range if most bruisers or assassins or even tanks, they hsge a way short cooldown on gap closing and high base movement speed and very easilly get on top of the adc resulting in a very dead adc

[@winterxx1555]

ADCs are reliant on supports. But supports can't be everywhere at once. There's so much mobility in this game now that's its difficult to peel everyone off your ADC. And if the ADC is alone, they just get shafted more times than not.

[@cattysplat]

ADC's have always needed a competent team to lift them up and help them on the way to glory. Without the team to take you to late game, you are just an inferior role to everyone else. But you also need to secure kills and CS for items so dying is extremely punishing.

[@BunnychanFarabee]

The terrifying realization that I am playing in Rava's ELO.

[@RagingRevine]

Botlane in general is horrible. I mained it for a few seasons and i just couldn't do it anymore. Half of your lane is in reliance of a support that may or may not be decent or just there tio get carried. 4 man ganks abuse. 90% of solo lane champs just dump on you. Sometimes even supports dump on you because their items give them mad gold.

[@HolyMith]

I'm still quite new to the game, and I started playing ADC's. I'm now seeing the error of my ways, but it's reassuring to know that they're just generally getting dooked on and it's not just me haha

[@Banguila]

The solution for this would be buffing botlane, not the adc champs, just give more gold for minions on botlane, the imbalance comes from the difference from xp gained by solo laners, so just give both adc's more resources to carry and take advantage, some games you stomp enemy adc, gets 4/0 and still can't beat enemy jungler with double buff or toplaner with 2 levels above, it is ridiculous

[@dejikayode9861]

Bro just tricks us into not skipping the ad section of the video

[@TheGRAclan]

Honestly disagree a lot. I've mained ADC for 11 years, I'm Master tier and don't struggle to have an impact on the game. Most botlaners pick useless champs like AP Kaisa or outright refuse to buy defensive items stating that they'd rather do damage except you don't do any damage when you're dead.

[@Critmaw]

That cookie joke was top tier.

[@avirian6589]

ADC is the most elo inflated role, change my mind. I've hit Emerald II first timing ADC only and it's so brainless. Zero macro, just farm and you win the game.

[@moonage_]

stop lying

[@avirian6589]

@@moonage_ I said "Change my mind", not get upset because you can't climb on the easiest role.

[@NomTheDom]

>elo inflated >emerald peak pick one

[@avirian6589]

@@NomTheDom I'm bad, at best I deserve plat. If I can hit Emerald with it, it's inflated. And despite your condescending comment, Emerald is still (somehow) better than most of the playerbase lol.

[@marceljurgens4167]

As an ADC you deal late game damage and you are extremely squishy. Everyone else on the rift is tanky, has a gap closer and cc. And, well, everyone else also have a shitload of damage. You get outdamaged by fulltank toplaners when you are on less than 4 items. ADC role is just incredibly doomed and thats for years now. After playing adc for 3 years being hardstuck bronze, switching to jungle and climbing plat immediately, just queuing autofill afterwards and still climbin, i am really convinced its not a me problem, its a role problem... Uninstalled the game this season because riot ducked up too hard in matchmaking this season. I can really recommend uninstalling

[@frostbitefalls]

I'm kinda thinking why isn't there a Physical version of hourglass(because GA fuckin' stinks). But then again, I don't want junglers having hourglass.

[@Windw00d]

IMO the higher you go in ELO the more the game gets played through bot and jungle. Yes as a silver/gold ADC its going to be hard to stop a fed Garen from blowing you up, but as you get better you realize that Garen really isnt that big of a deal and with good kiting you can kill him easy.

[@unknownentity8256]

I used to be ADC main when I started in season 2 and it was actually a CARRY role for season 2 and 3 afterwards it's gotten worse and worse. I quit adc maining at season 4 and I'm glad they gutted my role so I quit this dreadful game.

[@thedeadliest4380]

I think I got baited into watching an ad.

[@romzen]

I have not played in two years but ADC always was and will be garbage. No matter what season I played, in solo queue it was the worst experience to go ADC. I switched over to support once I could not take being murdered by my supp being gapped. And the impact you have on the game as a fed ADC is so tiny, that it is not worth most of the time trying hard.

[@StormCancerGr]

Adc can carry hard only if : 1. They play offensive in lanr instead of believing they exist only to lasthit minions. 2. They have an actual functional support enchanter to buff them all they way. I play support Milio and every time my adc knows when to poke I make him a god on that and without any consequence. If the adc doesn't know how to poke its a lost cause and I just start rotating with the jungler to win the game, the adc can rage on me all they want but I don't care, I just want to win the game. So my conclusion is that the main problem of adcs is that they require an enchanter to keep them from not insta dying (not all supports are enchanters) and the mentality of adcs joining the fighting game in lategame is totally wrong, most games do not even get to lategame.

[@stephennicholson5100]

which is why i go APC veigar cause if suport keeps drying just more xp and get gold diff cause of passive and still become late game power house

[@masonrobinson7009]

I'm convinced Rav doesn't even have a Porofessor sponsorship, he just wants people to use his link so he gets the 3 months ad free.

[@ghostlyashley6195]

"they kept buffing support and nerfing adc" bro support being buffed isn't the direct cause of them nerfing adc, also for the past decade it's been the other way around and carrying as a support that isn't a tank or an adc in disguise (senna) is nightmare fuel you could complain about how broken assasin and bruiser items are and have been this whole past year but no you gotta complain about your ally that heals and shields you being somewhat playable

[@videogamesruinedmylife3769]

It's funny because I used to be gold on league and kept getting placed in teams with bad players to be shafted all the way back to iron. Only just picked up mobile legends and less then two weeks I got to mythic on ranked with an 83% win rate. I even went to forums thinking mobile legends is too easy only to lean that a lot of players are stuck on epic. How is this possible?

[@rafaelaragonlanda6443]

Shit ass mobile game played by toddlers AND you wonder why?

[@Yunvaa]

MLBB is easy compared to league, heck even just wild rift is so much easier than league while being fundamentally the same exact thing players just aren’t as good on phones as they are on pcs for those type of games

[@rafaelaragonlanda6443]

Game for toddlers lmao

[@videogamesruinedmylife3769]

@@Yunvaa what's the point in playing league when you get placed with 4 tards all the time. Like this guy said he was 5 - 0 up and still lost because his team were tards. I have seen asian pro players that have entered worlds tournament that are hard stuck on "Platinum" because the ranking system doesn't match you based on your personal skill level, what is the fun in that? I think i'll stick with MLBB

[@Yunvaa]

@@videogamesruinedmylife3769 The matchmaking in league is actually decent as stupid as it may sound. I remember having those exact thoughts about MLBB because even while being in the top 1% of that game you still match up with players that have nowhere near your experience or skills and mexicans would run it down for fun. But if YOU find it better than that’s great for you in the end you play whatever the fuck you want nonody gonna stop you from doing that and ML ain’t that bad a game if you don’t look at pricing on their skins lol

[@Nehlev]

Well thats why you play tank varus, it counters assassins, tanks and oftentimes enemy adc in 1v1

[@bearinbush1677]

adcs just get completely and utterly dunked on by kits these days.. kiting/sustain damage is a thing of the past..

[@dirtydeeds4free553]

Everyone: "adc is the weakest role in the game" Manco1: "we hit challenger with teemo adc"

[@den1m0ut55]

The magic of a late game adc is just not there anymore i used to feel like a level 16 kayle at full item

[@antobenilol]

My best friend and i are duo this seaso i'm a main Supp, he's a main ADC When i play good, we win because i get fed and my friend gets fed as well so we carry When i play bad, we lose If he plays well, we lose, because we get 5 people in the botlane and our team doesn't pile us If he plays bad we lose if both of us play good, we lose because our team doesn't want to pile us Or we carry the game, because we are too fed to even care... So either we carry the sh*t out of the others teammates, or we get carried, that's the only way we can win games Frustrating af sometimes, how can you play a game for so many years, and don't understand that the only way to win the game is to destroy the enemy nexus jeez... (He's been playing Varus for a while now, so he mains him now, and i can play Shen, Tahm Kench or Pantheon, so we are climbing, slow process, but we are having fun at least, sometimes)

[@IrregularBOZO]

I played jinx once and absolutely shafted the bot lane by myself LOL!

[@gemofhaste1872]

You know what Rav you should use your influence to try to shift the meta to adc and support go mid logicly it makes the most sense for objectively rotation, experience, and even map control problems solved

[@gemofhaste1872]

Think about it mid lane is where minions arrive first it is also the safest due to the distance between turrets as well it's much harder to stack waves mid so you won't loose as much if you die and get crashed think about how hard it will be on the e enemy's once you get your wave clear and the support can become a 2nd jungle bringing a 3v1 to side lane into and objective rotation

[@noahzhellos8344]

Rav had played a lot of adc mid. Mostly Trist or MF. The problem is that he would keep getting pushed out since mid is and always has been the most popular role, so the odds of getting it are low.

[@michaelcarver5994]

Wow who would of thought league of cc actually finally is becoming a genuine issue making the game unplayable for certain class archetypes... but nah back when it was really an issue and you'd see 4 tanks with disables in 2019 it was chill, just get better, just wait till next meta, etc. I mean to be fair it's only affecting the one archetype so far, everyone else is having fun just by virtue of ttk being lower than ever and tanks not being too strong currently... currently.

[@sharlockshacolmes9381]

Riot got fed up of adcs crying every patch while still being the most important role, so they chose to align reality with how adcs perceived themselves for the past 10 yearw

[@OvhanDevos]

ADC isn't the problem, the game is as a whole. Glass cannon who does most your team's damage puts a target on your back. This game has such a power creep issue, and every other champ has engage or CC anymore. They've ruined themselves. Then again, maybe this means ADC IS antiquated and the rest of the game has moved away from them. Idk. Personally I don't like the state of everyone being able to 100% to 0% my HP bar in 2 seconds. I am also not a fan of the CC issue ever since the CDR rework. Still a problem IMO. Every new item has haste on it.

[@blackice8634]

It doesn't matter what state this role is in. People complain about ADCs regardless whether good or bad.

[@Zarosu123]

Most of the people haven't seen adcs in their biggest peak as well. Back in season 3/4 when adc could literally 1v9 with only the mechanics, no macro no nothing, just simple fast reactions.

[@SimplyToad]

I unironically play Gragas Botlane

[@veshonfrederick]

My Aphelios will never die(rengar enters chat) Always 4 people ganking bot Katarina actively targets me when I’m not on the map God just says you die from unknown sources of damage Life is good

[@lucasliotti3423]

Gonna be honest, rav sponsors are usually the only one's i dont skip. Peak content right here

[@jakubekch.3621]

damage creep hits the squishiest ones most Mages shouldnt 1 shoot that should be the domain of assasins.

[@liamalexander4054]

I think the old adc/support meta in bot lane has stuck around too long, all the roles have had different champs rotate through being viable in them fairly consistently except adc. you can go stupid shit like singed jg, kai'sa top, brand support and thats all fine, but if you don't ranged AD champ in bot everyone flames. If adcs are "useless" maybe for once riot arbitrarily shuffling stats around isnt the move. Just leave it as is and force people to make a different bot meta.

[@blacksparkss21]

it not the role,but 99% of the adc characters needs to be reworked, many of them are the same with nerfs or buffs, but usually nerfs , and they play the same as the time they came in, now items are different, assassin characters have 2 dashes or 1 dash at least, items are really powerful and adc is too paper and immobile to even have a chance do to something, and if they have movement, they lack in cc or damage most of the time, or if they have damage, they don`t have survability. Basically , as an adc you can`t go off-tank or just build in survability,because your role as a core is to do damage, but when your character is outdated and outshined by basically everything else, then it does not matter anymore. If they want to save this role, they really need to rework all the adc characters.

[@blank2541]

ADC + Support is the strongest role in the game at higher elo. Jinx Milio will just make everyone irrelevant. Though solo q a hyper carry below masters and see how it goes :)

[@sauvagess]

I just ban Senna every game and dodge when I see Nilah.

[@Kvnwoo]

Commented this on your last video lol. ADC is so reliant on your team, you could be ahead but if your team is not playing around you, you're useless. If you're 0/0 with good farm, but the enemy team is ahead, you're completely fucked in most cases. Yeah its a team game and the same could be said for all roles, but for adc its the most depressing shit. You need 5 items to go even with another role as "the strongest scaling role in the game". The top laners get 1 attack item, 5 defense items, and do the same amount of damage as an ADC. The mid laners get 2 lethality items and gut you in the span of 2 seconds even if you're ahead. The mages, get ludens/stormsurge, zhonyas, or even tabi's, and one shot you while your damage is cut in half. You spend 40 minutes farming and getting "strong" just to get flashed on and killed immediately and its late game so thats game most the time. It just feels absolutely fucking terrible to play

[@sebans3131]

Adc shouldn't be an static role in botlane, or is it? ... I mean, it's just a strategy to funnel gold to a damage dealer... I personally like the idea of letting the actual player base decide what champs should function on every lane. Marksmen toplane/midlane/jungle/support? OK ... marksmen not in botlane? OMG THE ROLE IS DEAD.

[@CaptainBuggy1965]

to the Nilah that dropped 30 kills on me two days ago, i will not forget.

[@ocskopf]

I'm sorry

[@DunktLOL]

Ashtray on a motorcycle 😂😂 how do you come up with this stuff

[@penguininamech4861]

If you don't play an 'adc' as adc you will be hated by your team immediately and they'll throw. If you play an 'adc' as adc your team will hate you because the game hates you. Soon enough, if you play adc you will hate you.

[@BlackfeatherMain]

39 dollars for 115 million views is truly a youtube moment