RIP Jordan Jensen - Episode 17: Trees Scream w/Jordan's Mom

[@corneliusthecrowtamer1937]

I wish I had a father like Jordan's Mom

[@janedoe-h2z]

I wish my mom was like her Mom

[@Trip-x1i]

@@janedoe-h2z Tradeoffs haha. It's nice to see them having such a mature and loving parent-child relationship, but I'm guessing it's been a long process for them to get from the rough childhood to this. :)

[@Galahad54]

I am a father like Jordan's mom, well, except for the mom part.

[@dissidentwolf5939]

This is a more masculine podcast than Joe Rogan.

[@williamroberson6758]

Hell yeah

[@lordfordification]

Can't wait to see Jordan on Rogan and teach him about motorcycles and carpentry.

[@thekillers1stfan]

3 mins in and Jordan's already talking about dudes liking specific pornstars. These two both have honorary cocks

[@deadringer333]

@@lordfordificationwhen’s she going on Rogan?

[@rachelisobelataylor4671]

@@lordfordification so Jordan speaks here for an hour pondering evolution, physics, philosophy and you bring it back to motorcycles and carpentry.

[@Airehcaz]

Everything about you makes more sense after listening to the podcasts with your mom and sister lol

[@Trip-x1i]

I've enjoyed it so much lol. It's fun getting to see the comedic angst from Mom's/sister's perspective.

[@Apol-los]

These type conversations are absolute caviar that no other podcast can recreate. Jordan you da best 🙏🏻

[@joef1299]

Jordan, the people demand a regular podcast with your mom. Real Intense Philosophizing…RIP offshoot.

[@cindyo6298]

It was really intense 😂

[@daveismoseley]

Need to have Christina P. On one y’all would ride.

[@gerardorendon9348]

Your original video, in the bathroom, had such a profound impact on me. While I completely understand and respect your choice to take it down, I want to say it was one of the best videos I've ever seen. It gave me a perspective on life that I never would have encountered otherwise. Thank you for your honesty and vulnerability-it truly meant a lot

[@tambob82]

We don't talk about that one.😅 But yep. 10/10

[@ОльгаВанюшкина-э1ш]

I didn't realise it got taken down! Feel like such a winner for having watched it in time.

[@WENDYBANTAM]

Why did it get taken down? I really, really want to see it. 😢 Why did it get removed?

[@ОльгаВанюшкина-э1ш]

@@WENDYBANTAM I think Jordan removed it because it was very personal. She spoke about her feelings on intimacy.

[@gravyoverpotatos]

agreed, I hope she knows it had a large positive reception. Big love from the young women in her comments.

[@Arthur-ek7nd]

Just two guys being dudes, classic cast J-dog.

[@youniverse-]

Got 'em!

[@bedmid]

Jordan and her mom arguing the same concept about the universe; but disagreeing over the semantics gives us: "YOU anthropomorphize a ******* RUG!" love it

[@andaria7]

I’m infinitely impressed with Jordan’s ability to tangent and bring it back around (in her comedy as well). And I LOVE Sue ❤️ She should have her own podcast, she’s an onion of stories.

[@ultraviolencearts8946]

I could listen to you and your mom talk philosophy for hours! Great pod thanks for this

[@hannahkocsis9285]

Also your family episodes are great and honestly all your other episodes. Please never stop doing this. Your thoughts are so real and valid.

[@scootran]

I saw a video of a Tablian dude rollerblading with an AK-47 and he appeared to be more transcendent than anyone in the Sam Harris school.

[@LimorG]

😂

[@capsjukebox]

I think that dude was also the equivalent of a traffic cop. So, loving what you do, I guess, can bring a lot of shine to your work.

[@etherealradar]

💯

[@KenBarrChannel]

Hey Jord, Alan Watts (as you yourself said) would say your mom believes in a mechanical universe, while you believe in an organic universe. The organic structure has internal intelligence, whereas the mechanical universe follows an unintelligent chain-of-command model. That's precisely why a Japanese kid might ask their mom, "How did I grow?" while, at the same time, a Western kid might ask his mom, "Who created me?"

[@Apol-los]

“We are NOT the pinnacle” 😭🙌🏻

[@evareddick9043]

I am so jealous of the conversation you get to have with your mom! ❤ You two are the best.

[@victoriamorgan2261]

A child asking their parent why is the sky blue for 90 minutes

[@novasea3448]

That was me as a knee high to a cricket kid. I could play the "why?" game for days. Just randomly bring the sky color up at dinner and social events. Enjoying being precocious and annoying as a kid was a well honed skill for me. But alas, it is a lifelong instead of just a childhood ailment. Such is, I guess. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[@crackthefoundation_]

Nah, they know that, there are just too many calls coming from "inside the house" w/ Jordan. Love them both

[@Galahad54]

"Because it isn't green!" - Lucy, answering Linus' question.

[@TekNoSolja]

i haven’t watched a second of this ep yet, but I want everyone to know Jordan’s mom is the dopest person and seeing Jordan with her will make u like Jordan even more.

[@Shawnthecorndog1971]

Jordan’s mom is just too cool for school, she’s a classy woman with crazy common knowledge. Her intellect with carrying on a conversation with Jordan is very entertaining Jordan. You need to have her on at least once a month.

[@BigBADSTUFF69]

just need her on to roll her eyes at Jordan and be like honey you sound stupid right now

[@jessicasager72]

She is definitely future ex wife material.

[@xuxu3703]

I don't agree. I am a professional in the field of physics and what she was saying was bullshit and misconception after a misconception

[@wellshu1381]

@@xuxu3703 what do u do? like ur title in the field of physics

[@xuxu3703]

@@wellshu1381 a PhD student at the moment

[@ForBrevitysSake]

I haven’t read TML since it came out, but y’all are doing a hilarious job of explaining it. Harris is arguing that there’s an objective spectrum between the worst possible misery and a sort of secular beatitude (e.g., living in a war zone vs living in a peaceful, prosperous, and free society). His key point is that these states are multiply realized across animals, cultures, and individuals. For Harris, well-being is an umbrella concept like health. Our particularities determine what constitutes our health. What is healthy for me may be deleterious for you. So too with well-being. However, there is far more overlap across the moral landscape than there are discrepancies. The way we traverse the landscape and refine/direct our efforts toward that secular beatitude is to measure our location within it relative to the worst possible misery. We can make more robust and prescriptive claims about morality if we’re framing them within these objective parameters. It is easy to dismiss the claim that teaching little girls to read is a crime because that is closer to the worst possible misery than it is to human flourishing (i.e., a literate population is inherently aimed towards a more flourishing society). All moral claims can be measured against the movement between misery and joy. The difficulty is in the granular breakdown between seemingly competing moral claims (e.g., meat is essential to human health; reducing/eliminating meat consumption is good for the environment and animal well-being, etc.). I’m not sure I agree with Harris’ position, but I think I’ve described it with a broad fidelity. Love y’all, -a former philosophy professor

[@jackhand4073]

Absolutely nailed it. Thank you Prof

[@novasea3448]

@forbrevitysake. Thank you for saving me a good hour of articles, wiki and webpage reading! You're almost as articulate as Jordan! That's a big flex. There is something bothering me about the philosophy of Sam here. It seems at once very selfish focused on ones Internal well-being and yet asking people to surrender identity and intelligence of individuals towards the selfless act of honoring the global well-being. I just here the "for the greater good" rhetoric. Am I being overly simplistic and pessimistic?

[@ForBrevitysSake]

@@novasea3448 It’s been a good 14ish years since I’ve read the book, but I’ve heard him talk about his views since. It’s definitely a version of utilitarianism. However, I think he’s far more nuanced than what you’re describing. His main thesis is outlining how conceptions of the good are multiply realized; the ethical work he’s prescribing is moving away from our distorted sense of moral relativism or moral purity. He’s arguing that it is far easier to reach consensus on what the worst suffering imaginable is for everyone vs what defines a good life for any one individual. We can all agree that it is objectively worse to live a life of constant pain and panic than it is to be free to discover joy in safety, love, and community. Moral prescriptions must take their foundation in the reality of that distinction. It’s essentially a moral heuristic in the same sense that inference to the best explanation is a heuristic for science (see Lewis Carrol "What the Tortoise Said to Achilles"). Harris is arguing that we find ourselves in a world of infinite moral regression if we don’t apply a simple, logical heuristic to our ethical work. It’s less of a prescription of how we should live our lives than it is a formal logic for ethical inquiry. He’s claiming that for morality to “make sense” or to be sense making, we have to be playing the same logic game, just as we do in scientific practice. Many philosophers have made similar claims. His just prioritizes clarity and succinctness over a detailed engagement with the history of philosophy. I think he’s far more socially liberal and culturally curious than he’s known for.

[@blasianray]

Your mom analyzing consciousness and evolution and then immediately locking in to how cute coyote is is hilarious

[@__h4dl3y__]

There is no one better for me to be listening to instead of my own thoughts right now. Thx babe

[@karieliziverson]

Jordan is right, it’s all one consciousness. And we download it

[@gritmultimedia]

I miss my mom man. This is great.

[@megcapocci]

Never clicked so fast on a notification in my life

[@tiannasorine]

Jordan that's so good you can pull yourself out of the OCD. That's a HUGE accomplishment. ❤

[@R.J.L.]

Amazing. Jordan you come from good peeps. Love your crew. Thanks for sharing

[@scout2568]

This is great ! Thank you both. Love when you two laugh together .

[@Anjchard]

“Honey be careful” as she worries about people thinking you/her might be stupid explains the nurture side of your OCD. Also, can’t believe I just found this podcast. So good.

[@K.A.2575]

Jordan's Mom seems like a fun person to be around.

[@evancairo]

For the record, the original 17th episode really resonated with me. It was a raw and honest transmission and I listened to every word. Thank you. I guess I’ll watch this one too.

[@excessnetwork4221]

I would love a Rick’s mom and your mom ep 🙌

[@bzr626]

GOOD GOD YES PLEASE

[@Kelticfury]

Dogs love unconditionally, humans have hidden motives, whether good or bad.

[@woodsw7]

Yeah and loving a dog is relatively simple. They won't get passed around by a group of bikers or join a cult.

[@Kelticfury]

Exactly, your heart is safe from harm.

[@sonotdown998]

@@woodsw7They will eat poop on walks and at the dog park tho… (RIP Rufus.)

[@courtneyadhd]

I love how your body language is turned into your mom for connection, and she's constantly looking like she's trying to escape. 😂

[@TheKatarinaGiselle]

😂 same

[@barnaclebass]

Jordan's personality makes so much more sense when you find out she had 2 dads

[@Nico5890]

Umm no. Sue is too excellent to be male. Also we claim her - women

[@masonchase4599]

you’re so lucky to have Paul McCartney on the pod

[@kiralighthowell]

Love the episodes with your family

[@LokiKala117]

These conversations are rare and beautiful 💙 thank you

[@jamesmaguffin841]

Jack Kornfield says “when we look to the sky our consciousness is the consciousness of the universe observing itself”

[@jaywhy3178]

I don't usually watch (too many damn podcasts.) But I'm a fan of Jordan and I'm watching again because her moms on. I enjoyed the last one, and I'm enjoying this one probably more. I am also incredibly envious. You two have such an awesome relationship. I wish I could have even 1/8th of this depth of conversation with my own mom.

[@kellyshpeley]

This is great. I love arguments like this. It’s sounds like the arguments my friends and I have.

[@hrmmmmmmable]

This was awesome to see! Would love to have these kinds of talks with my mom.

[@chriskael4615]

Commenting for the algorithm to drive traffic. Always an entertaining watch!

[@bekabourdeau2350]

Such an excellent back and forth discussing life. I enjoyed all these routes of thought. The OCD discussion with mom was difficult to watch. Some say Animism is normative consciousness.

[@scout2568]

“I get that it feels like that” - perfect!

[@catherinesilva8134]

i loved this episode so much! i loved all of the philosophical debate, your mother is so well spoken and level headed; i see where you get a lot of your charming idiosyncrasies! i’m kinda jealous of your ability to be so comfortable with your mom lol ❤

[@Vicious_17]

I watched this entire conversation. Great job tyvm

[@Joshayyy]

These family eps are real philosophical shit , I love it ❤

[@DLM1063]

Perspicacious - Respect

[@CDH333]

Loved this conversation! The universe is definitely breathing though Momz ✨

[@LELOUMULTIPASS]

I feel so seen... Love you Jordan! your Mom is an awesome guest!!! From ROC NY

[@evanpooley9172]

I'm consistently both jordan and her mom philosophically😆 we absolutely need a consistent podcast with her mom, monthly at least! This podcast was an absolute pleasure

[@Millej007]

This conversation made my brain tingle in all the correct ways.

[@abcedertreetoo]

I have to agree with Mom. Just because we happen to have consciousness, doesn’t mean it was ‘meant to be’, nor is it the end-goal of our being. Consciousness/self-awareness is not the amazing treasure that it is so often made out to be. Humans can be both creative and also incredibly neurotic, and even the best shining examples of humanity are easily countered hundredfold with the most destructive individuals merely contributing to the aimless spiral of any greed-driven ideology. Consciousness/self-awareness is a side-effect that we’re very proud of and keep trying to use as the reason we’re superior to all other life that we even know about.

[@mattosborne1366]

This is one of the best conversations I've ever listened to.

[@jacobrandall6172]

You're killing it Jordan

[@beamyd4650]

“ I don’t know where you got that fuckin shit from “ 🤣

[@havi0133]

These men have a great podcast

[@michellelynndion]

Love this convo so much! Great episode

[@SarahLovesMusic7]

I Love Your Family Jordan 😊🥰😉 please have them on all the time!!

[@jhall900]

I just got back from visiting my mom from thanksgiving and we are just like you guys. So close and similar❤ love this

[@MotherAce]

"Dead people do that!" 🤣 God damn I wish I could have these types of conversations with my mom

[@emmacaulfield8816]

Startling moment for a former Waldorf student to hear a casual Rudolph Steiner drop

[@VapidVulpes]

Okay so, the first time I watched this, I was absolutely delirious and was fully hallucinating you guys skiing on a Giant Mountain that was the Mountain and Valley described in the conversation around 33:39, and I think around this part you were waiting on a ski lift while talking? Man it was so wildly cool. I wanna watch this again all the way through Man, there was like, a whole midnight gospel style narrative visually going on with the crazy hallucinations that fit perfectly with the conversations and setting 🎉 so gooooood! Edit: i gotta check out immortality key :3

[@brandonjmount]

Mom has big words.

[@WeNeedSomeTherapyThatsAll]

Enneagram 4, or 8?

[@teresawright4748]

I love this!!!!!! I feel like I’m in a college class!!!!♥️♥️

[@seanharrison3504]

My brain is in a pretzel in traffic rn

[@mattosborne1366]

I'm learning so many words from your mom!

[@JoseAlexVieraJr]

I think that was an awesome experience to witness you're mom is cool ❤

[@GiddyUpGoTrio]

If you’re able to think you’re dead, you’re not dead :)

[@liamr340]

I wish this was a permanent duo for the show it’s so good

[@Chuccklez]

Damn. Moms was making some great counter points to your Universe/Consciousness theory. She Certified ✅

[@mihai9965]

I laughed so hard at this beautifull interaction ! Especially when the debating consiousness began.

[@lordfordification]

Her mom dropping transmogrify in a sentence was wild. I only learned that word from playing video games 20 years ago

[@courtneyadhd]

8:03 I feel like your mom is someone who says they have to urinate instead of pee.

[@remihollenfeuer6233]

You probably don't read comments, But thank you for this podcast. I appreciate seeing the relationship you have with your mother. I'm jealous in fact. I'm also totally on your side with the higher levels of consciousness and the universe being conscious. All matter has mentality.

[@ashleyromero5302]

"You think a physicist gives a fuck what a comic says??", Hahaha dayum 😂

[@larraelee9544]

I enjoyed mom so much. She's exactly how you've described her.

[@GabrielMartinico-q6e]

Best pod of the day

[@JumpinSkiing]

in the most supremely respectful way possible, i would love nothing more than an afternoon with jordan's mom

[@petercathain3326]

This conversation made me realize how little tolerance I have for listening to older generations talk.

[@Tlicious04]

Jordan! Your hair is absolutely lovely~ whatever you've been doing with it is working 🥰

[@KNIFESKULL3000]

Thx I u will need many more of these throughout winter

[@barnabasabrams7413]

Our friend here needs some Kierkegaard. Stat.

[@Saleomai]

Evolutionary biologist here. All species have been evolving for the same amount of time by definition. We get toys, other animals get traits that if we had them we would consider them superpowers. Some of them can even fly. Also evolution is not about design. It's just a number's game.

[@00TheD]

Stop doing the " an authority has entered the chat". If you are the thing your saying your ideas will stand on their own. The only reason your saying it is to bully pulpit others and to signal that you won't change your opinion and other people don't have to think you've got it figured out. We don't care.

[@Saleomai]

@@00TheD and yet you seem to care. My deepest apologies, I didn't think I had the space and time to explain evolution in details. Nor do I care if you understand it though. You can obviously take my comment with a grain of salt. Truth is you can take many things with a grain of salt as you seem to do anyway.

[@nsilversradd]

​@@00TheD if Saleomai had simply stated "have studied this intensely for a X years, have concluded ..." would that be valuable context for you? If so, titling themselves is a shortcut though it can be an appeal to authority. If the long preamble would not move you towards increasing your attentiveness to their comment, you may not possess adequate deference for specialization of knowledge.

[@jameslovekamp8028]

This is what it feels like trying to argue with my dad, lol. It's like beating my head against a wall.

[@bonnieee16]

Your video on replusion made me feel sane, thankyou ❤

[@stevebuscemi4970]

I’ve got to say I side with Jordan’s mom 100% on everything she said here lol. I’ve had this exact conversation with so many people lol. Nice one.

[@alexrinker9985]

It’s almost frustrating to watch, despite it being incredibly interesting and entertaining. Frustrating because Jordan seems smarter than some of the things she says here. A lot of ‘teenager arguing with her parent even though they know they are wrong’ energy

[@Juksemakeren]

38:10 - I pilot the Flesh Beast. Not because I want to, but because I must.

[@rhettlanders920]

“I don’t go on only fans very much” Very much????

[@tambob82]

Jordan's on a crusade to heal her child self, and it's AWESOME!!! Calling them demons out! Also, Cosentini taught me perspicacious, thanks mom! You've raised two beautiful aßholes! 10/10 What was the song? Rick Glassman is a sweetheart. Visit his mom already.

[@Rampy283]

You two are awesome! I think you guys are arguing past each other but there's truth in what you're both saying. A great listen

[@Mtjames1978]

Hey Jordan. Love you and your stand up. Saw you in Cleveland recently, hilarious show. Just letting you know there is a high pitched ringing on this episode, and not just because you brought it up in the beginning. Like for real, it’s like a dog whistle to me. Anyone else?

[@hannahkocsis9285]

Also dont ever over think these home-y podcasts sets. As long as your audio is good, thats the only thing we car about.

[@scottcroft9975]

Love Jordan's mom, her whole family rocks.

[@lontollison6771]

Wow I can't wait to hear the real story of Jordan from mom😲

[@crackthefoundation_]

OH MY GOD Jordan my parents watched Sling Blade with me when I was 9 or 10 and like very still- traumatized from moving a lot as a kid and I slept in my moms bed for like two weeks until it pissed her off so much she yelled at me to "not move" so i silently cried for like 3 hours, conpletely unmoving and thinking about the tragedy of Sling Blade.

[@Airehcaz]

Thanks Jordan, I think your mom is interesting and cool! Keep bringing her on :D

[@Saleomai]

They recently asked theoretical physicist Brian Greene and someone from the ghetto if free will is an illusion. They both said yes. But for very different reasons.

[@bamgrok]

Ya these are my favorites also 👍🏽🙌🏽thanks Y'all

[@adamcruz5616]

I now wanna chill for a beer with Jordan AND her mom lol