Ripped Apart | Braniff Boeing 707 Training Flight Accident

[@rileysteve]

This accident led to Boeing enlarging the vertical stabilizer, and caused the British to insist on extra redundancy with a ventral fin to give an extra margin of control at lower speeds. The Braniff crash was significant.

[@MyzelleJenkins]

I never understood why that ventral fin was added…until now-thanks for the info!

[@jakejacobs7584]

We used to have to practice this when I first started as captain on the 727. Don't remember doing it on the 75/76/or the 777. It was always recoverable as long as you didn't get ham fisted. There could have been a bit of "hold my beer and watch this" stuff going on an acceptance flight as well. A big ouch for all involved.

[@Primus54]

Nice series of aircraft flown in your career. During the 80s I flew a great deal regionally (2 hour or less hops) which nearly always were on older 727s & 737s. The takeoff runs on those seemed to go on forever, sometimes to the point of getting a little concerning. I’ll never forget however the first flight I had on a new 757 out of Atlanta. The force of the acceleration pushing me back in the seat was only eclipsed by what seemed like a too early rotation… I was certain we were going to stall and fall to the runway! Yet that bird just kept flying at a high angle of attack gaining altitude at an incredible rate. Still my absolute favorite narrow body and the most visually beautiful. Cheers! 👍👍👍

[@hpharridan]

@@Primus54 there are clips of 737s and other Boeing planes doing vertical takeoffs.....wow.

[@Primus54]

@@hpharridan Really? Flight simulators with customizable power plants maybe?

[@patrickunderwood5662]

@@Primus54 Long-lens cameras, advantageous camera angles, lightly loaded aircraft piloted by Boeing test guys in short zoom climbs, strictly PR! BTW, agree the 757 is the best-looking narrowbody, long elegant fuselage sitting on that amazing tall gear. Sweet.

[@PetrolHeadBrasil]

@@Primus54 757 is a beast! I LOVE flying them! Especially in the "shuttle" MIA/MCO, with a light load... Man, that plane used to climb like a ROCKET! I miss the 757 so bad.... =/

[@nicholasbutler153]

Has there ever been a plane that suffered such a catastrophic structural failure in mid-flight that did *not* simply fall out of the sky, other than this one? Baum was an idiot, but all the other pilots did a great job to recover from that. A shame that they couldn't all survive.

[@Supersean0001]

There was a Pan Am 707 that has #4 explode on climbout from San Francisco (I think) to Honolulu (I think). When the engine wert, it also took out the outboard wing, from the WS 733 production break, leaving just a section of lower wing skin and starting a fire as well. The crew successfully dumped fuel and made a successful landing at Mather AFB near Sacramento. I want to say that was about 1965, I think? A passenger took a picture of the right wing on fire in flight, missing that outboard section. The 707 was a tough old bird--generally speaking.

[@stuartlee6622]

Those Electras! Those Electras!!

[@vitekkozov3980]

There was the DHL A300 that got hit by a surface to air missile while departing Baghdad. A good portion of a wing was gone alongside all hydraulics, but both engines kept operating, enabling the crew to perform an emergency landing.

[@TheJaymon1962]

The Boeing 377 would fall out of the sky every once in a while. Those were usually engine failures, tho.

[@stuartlee6622]

@@TheJaymon1962 No. Bad, hollow props!

[@birdnest5814]

Revised the training syllabus to: don’t be an a-hole. RIP to the cockpit occupants 🙏

[@jaybee9269]

Isn’t that the truth?

[@johningram9081]

Great job. The 707 was a beautiful aircraft. My 1st airliner ride and it was on Braniff. My paternal grandparents were close friends with the T.E. Braniff family. Loved the old livery.

[@moi01887]

Sigh... I'm jealous. I've flown on airlines a bit but never on a 4-jet plane (I've been on a 4-engine turboprop) and it's looking like I may never get the chance.

[@chereecargill355]

One of my uncles flew for Braniff his whole career. I'm from Dallas, their headquarters, and I loved watching their take offs and landings Love Field.

[@johningram9081]

@@chereecargill355 Yes the good ole days parked at Bachman lake having them come roaring over .

[@cyndisherry7547]

I was a Boeing firefighter/EMT from early 80's thru mid 90s. This crash and the aftermath was a training film that we would watch from time to time ( with several others ) , very strange to see at least part of it again after 20 years! Nice job on the video! 😊

[@julosx]

But I guess there was many alarms screaming when all of this happened ?

[@cyndisherry7547]

@@julosx No, no... I have only seen the crash as a training video. The actual crash happened years before I was even born.

[@markpreston6930]

That era at Boeing was stoner. Lots of Rainiers and bong hits on the job. Airline maintenance crews find flattened beer cans and spent drug paraphernalia inside panels and upholstery.

[@2wMaliman]

@@julosx likely fire, but as much as I appreciate accuracy, 6 minutes of ringing sucks

[@clarsach29]

Wow- way to destroy a brand new perfectly serviceable aircraft and kill some folk in the process. I am glad all those in the tail did survive but this was a truly needless accident caused by carelessness and ignoring the bank angle limitations.

[@psalm2forliberty577]

Sounds like a case of a nascent 32 year old Baum, the hotshot young pilot, gonna show the 'old dogs' some tricks ! And that EGO got him killed / others injured / plane destroyed, sad to say !

[@jaredlazaron8414]

I've stood on the exact spot the tail came to rest. Did some limited research about this accident a few years ago as it was only a few miles from where I was currently living. Went exploring with a metal detector and came up empty. My FIL's mother remembers the crash scene pretty vividly as she was in her teens in the late 50's early 60's.

[@JJDigitalartStudio]

In case there are others watching who do not know what a Dutch roll is. Here is the definition: Dutch roll is a series of out-of-phase turns, when the aircraft rolls in one direction and yaws in the other. Its name comes from the motion of a classic Dutch skating technique.

[@hpharridan]

thanks!

[@Capecodham]

What is a hot dog roll?

[@doriangray2020]

Thanks…this newfound knowledge along with my own personal expertise of executing a Dutch Oven makes my life complete.

[@midgie4410]

The video showed this

[@JJDigitalartStudio]

@@doriangray2020 Ok smart arse. I did not know exactly what that was other than something to make a sandwich with. Once a teacher always a teacher. There may be others to timid to ask what it is. Now they don't have to. Darn if I knew the man who knows everything was here I would have asked you.

[@thegreat_I_am]

So much for a training flight! They’d have been better to allow the two Braniff captains, each with over 20,000 flying hours to train themselves. Neither would’ve rolled the aircraft so violently that they tore the engines off it!

[@CLR2TKF]

You might be surprised at how many pilots had to be forced into retirement when jets started entering the airline fleets. The old piston pilots just couldn't keep up.

[@noahdavidson8733]

Surprisingly, this wasn’t the only test flight of a 707 that crashed. American lost two 707s on Long Island two years apart. The transition from the standard prop aircraft to new jet aircraft was a culture shock, I’m sure.

[@zardoz_ii2061]

Flew on several Braniff flights years ago. Flew on them as a kid and they gave me a deck of Braniff playing cards that I had for several years. That was when the livery was the aircraft being painted one solid color. Guess this was earlier livery. But yeah, no valid reason for Baum to put the aircraft into such a severe roll. It's the job of the instructor pilot to ensure the flight goes by the book, not to cowboy ride. Then again, many moons back I was taking flight lessons. Was trying out a new school given I was on the road and just wanted to build some hours. Me and instructor get to training altitude in a C-152 and the instructor asks "You ever been inverted in a 152?" Me: "Uh, no I didn't...." Instructor proceeds to barrel roll the thing. I never took a second lesson there.

[@schrodingerscat7218]

A barrel roll is a perfectly safe 1g manouver in a 152. And you made a prudent decision. There are old pilots, there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots.

[@borderite88]

Had learned about this crash while checking out the crash of an F-102 into Mountlake Terrace, WA during the opening of the World's fair in 1962 after the pilot had a malfunction, ejected over Lake Forest Park expecting the jet go into Lk Washington but it continued nw and crashed into several homes and a couple on the ground.

[@ericwhitehead6451]

I grew up in Seattle, my dad worked there starting in 65 and many friends had family that worked there. I NEVER heard of this incident until now. I worked at Boeing for 10 years and never heard of it either.

[@Capecodham]

This video is not about your life, if any.

[@donnabaardsen5372]

@@Capecodham You have a serious problem! Eric is super polite, and merely saying he's surprised he never heard about this particular accident, since he lived and worked nearby. On the other hand, you're rude, and appear to have zero reading comprehension. Totally missed the point of his post. And by the way, the first word in a sentence always begins with an upper case letter.

[@stankfaust814]

In June of that same year (1959) My grandpa was a boeing employee working as a navigator on a B52 that crashed out of boeing field (no survivors). They dont talk about that one much either. 2 bad crashes in the same year.

[@Dan-379]

I heard about this incident from, interestingly enough, a wiki page about it in russian

[@Capecodham]

@@donnabaardsen5372 As far as Eric's comment: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH24nJqIdt6SjNE

[@BurrEyeN]

My dad worked with the FAA inspector, Bill Huebner, while they were on assignment with the FAA in Frankfurt, Germany in 1971-1975. I was there with my dad and our family and I also knew Bill. I never knew about this incident until I came across your video so thank you so much Allec for creating and posting it, you did an excellent job!

[@PapiDoesIt]

Where did the engines land? I used to live at an Air Force base as a child and always wondered what would happen if things fell off as they flew over.

[@borderite88]

There is a map of where the engines fell and where the plane crashed into the riverbend near Oso.

[@bubbaries]

Was born, raised, and lived the first 22 years of my life in the city of Arlington, WA, situated where the North and South Forks of the Stillaguamish river converge into one. I have been up and down the river millions of times, seen plenty a leftover car wreck from when SR530 followed the edge of the cliff above the river, and explored many ruins of old logging camps or bridge crossings to long forgotten railroads. First time I’ve ever heard that a friggin plane crashed in the Stilly. Thanks for teaching me something new!

[@cyndisherry7547]

This crashed in the Stillagumish river in Snohomish county, WA. Not in Virginia.

[@MarceloBenoit-trenes]

@@cyndisherry7547 "city of Arlington, WA, situated where the North and South Forks of the Stillaguamish river converge into one". I cannot found Virginia on this phrase. It is Arlington, Washington.

[@cyndisherry7547]

@@MarceloBenoit-trenes Well either I read his post wrong 🤷 which is probably the case 😂 or he accidently had " VA " instead of " WA " and edited it not realizing his phone probably put in the wrong state as soon as he said Arlington 🤔😁 Whichever, thanks for letting me know ... I've only lived in Washington state for 45 years Lol 😂 and to top it off I was a White Water Guide as well as SAR !! So thank you for catching that so I didn't continue to look really ..... Duhhhmmmb! 🤦

[@Theemysteryman]

@bubbaries Your statement.. touched me.

[@ronbottitta7437]

That has to be the most alarming visual report ever.

[@timmbentley1983]

I always enjoy the detail and background of each episode as well as the historical photos.

[@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043]

This is absolutely heartbreaking. What was Baum thinking?? RIP those who lost their lives.❤️

[@Houndini]

I really can't speak for Baum. But I suspect The Salesman & How great our product is. Overrode his basic common sense & caught up with him as it always do. Its really almost a miracle they got that plane back down on mother earth that safe. Could been a lot more loss of life. Company test pilots are pushed hard to try sell more planes from Armed Services down to Mom & Pops buying small there little single engine jobs. No matter how any companies deny this it do happen daily.

[@bills6093]

I think he was irritated at the 25 degree reminder from the other guy, and decided to show him what he could do with the 707.

[@micheleshively8557]

Another sad but exceptionally interesting video Allec! The beauty of your videos bring me back every time you post. Thank you!

[@Houndini]

Engineering limits are set for a reason. "KISS" Sadly they are even today repeatedly tested at times it turn out very badly.

[@davidbeattie1366]

Training accidents were fairly common in the early 60s before advanced full motion simulators were introduced. I think if you look, you will find many more. I remember flying to Blythe, CA in my Cessna 150 and seeing TWA and CAL 707s practicing engine out takeoffs and landings. This included failing two engines on one side right at V1, a very tricky maneuver.

[@TiHerr74]

Either too much faith in aircraft’s ability or too much faith in his own ability. Superb recreation but depressing to watch.

[@williammeszaros3382]

There are old pilots and there are bold pilots but there aren't any old bold pilots...RIP.

[@Syd-41]

True statement.

[@thedocnak]

never heard that one before =P

[@bugproductions9050]

Very original comment.

[@thegreat_I_am]

There are old cliches and there are bold cliches, but this is a very old cliche.

[@BsUJeTs]

If I remember correctly, I remember reading about Boeings Chief Test pilot doing a barrel roll on a B707 in order to sell the Aircraft against the competing DC8. His name was Alvin Tex Johnson. Maybe the test pilot was writing checks this aircraft couldn’t cash. His over confidence took the life’s of several people.

[@StevenBanks123]

Tex was a true aviator. The kind of roll Rex performed placed no stress on the aircraft. Had there been passengers aboard holding cups of coffee and not looking outside, they would not have been aware nor spilled a drop of coffee. Tex was still told not to do it again.

[@davidbeattie1366]

That was a completely different kind of maneuver and as he stated, very safe as it creates no more than a 1G load on the aircraft throughout the maneuver.

[@chesvvick]

Whenever I see the name Braniff, I’m always reminded of the end of the credits for South Park.

[@wvs-productions2937]

Same here

[@dianericciardistewart2224]

I am old enough to remember this airline. This was an interesting video. Very well explained and visualized. Great work Allec!! Hope all is going well for you!! 💕✈✈💕🙏🙏

[@randomscb-40charger78]

The rarest variant of the 707.

[@gauthamsunil1780]

This accident is the first time I have ever seen a plane have an upset and just manages to get out of it, but make a force landing in the forest. Also could you do Yemenia 626 and Air Arabia 111. One more thing, why did the front of the plane get destroyed but the tail survive?

[@thedocnak]

maybe because it crashed into a forest?? and the front of the aircraft took the brunt of the damage?? If i throw you into a tree head first... what condition do you think your legs will be in?

[@jasguy2715]

The plane probably had a tree Dead on right into the cockpit and the people in the tail section which remains intact we're lucky and that's what I'd do go in the tail section.

[@innercircle8250]

As a decendant of the Braniff brothers, it's cool to see my families airline finally being featured in these videos, it be cool to see the plane crash that killed Thomas Elmer Braniff in 1954

[@sesquey]

Great job yet again, Allec.

[@susiesweet8003]

Senseless accident. 😢 WTH was he thinking???

[@csolivais1979]

Almost like he was mad that he got reprimanded about the bank angles.

[@jeffclaterbaugh3962]

I lived right behind Symack in Texas as a kid .He told us about the crash and had the seat belt and buckle mounted on a plaque over their fireplace. He was a great guy and had a beautiful family . I'm not sure if he is still here.

[@travelwithtony5767]

Imagine looking out from the cabin and seeing three engines missing from your aircraft…

[@MrEsMysteriesMagicks]

Imagine sitting in your backyard and seeing three engines land on the grass. Without a plane.

[@chrisburgess7657]

Thanks Allec was not aware of this accident keep up the great work

[@too-da-loo]

Interesting that news reports at the time hailed Baum a hero.. "A veteran Boeing test pilot today was credited with saving the lives of four of eight persons aboard a 707-220 which crashed and burned on a river sand bar 40 miles north of here Monday. Four survived the fiery crash of the sleek jet liner because Russell H. Baum, 32. Bellevue, Wash., gave his life in the emergency landing. "

[@BsUJeTs]

Sounds like the media of today.

[@davef.2811]

Couldn't help but notice that the other pilots each had approx. 4X the experience of the "veteran test pilot."

[@TheHaratashi]

Baum was an idiot that killed innocent people.

[@wazzazone]

Wonderful Allec and thank you.

[@zacktong8105]

I recall a very brief explanation of what was known of this accident: IMPROPER PROCEDURES/ LOSS OF CONTROL/SEPARATION OF THREE ENGINES. There was little public reaction as most shrugged it off and a replacement aircraft needed was built for Braniff only used on South American routes. Braniff only used Boeing 720s for domestic Idlewild and O'Hare routes from Texas.

[@Dilberto88]

My first jet flight was on Pan American 707, in 1968. It was a solid flying bird, in my 5- year old mind.

[@sarahalbers5555]

I used to fly Pan Am to London to visit my lovely grandparents out of Seattle in the late 50's early 60's. The flight time was about 2 yrs. In my early 30s I flew for Pan Am out of SFO. Then UAL. I still love to fly. I know this is not on topic, but, of course, I had to chime in. Seems like life times ago.

[@dscott130]

Wow! That was unexpected!

[@sesquey]

I can imagine test pilots having "push the envelope" in their blood - but maybe not so much when 7 others are on board. Geeze.

[@byronharano2391]

Thank you Kuya Allec Ebay for another wonderful video. I remember Braniff Airline commercials as being non descript and short. Never flew on Braniff. I don't remember this accident nor when the Braniff name disappeared. Sad set of circumstances 😢. Blessings to all aviation fanatics. Blessings Kuya Allec as you complete your flight training.

[@Capecodham]

eBay?

[@blair2798]

Reminds me of the day when BRANIFF was considered an acronym for -Barely Running And Never In Full Flight. Sad about the loss of life - RIP.

[@Capecodham]

rip?

[@JosephStalin-yk2hd]

Like I said Burt, no one cares, Other than you.

[@cogitoergospud1]

Delta: “Doesn’t Ever Leave The Airport” 😂

[@jeremypearson6852]

The pilot knew the limitations but still went beyond them, why? I guess some accidents will always leave unanswered questions.

[@gusbailey68]

If you'll forgive me for nit-picking; the 707, and as shown N7071 have/had turbo-jets. The in-flight sound simulation should not have reduction gear growl; but rather a robust roar bordering on a scream. Over-all, I love your videos, just happened to notice on this one. Keep up the good work.

[@davidpowell3347]

Also on take off I think those things usually spewed thick black smoke that from a certain angle almost cloaked the departing plane from view.

[@gusbailey68]

@@davidpowell3347 Ah, the early jet age. 🙂

[@JJDigitalartStudio]

That crazy pilot seemed bent on destroying that plane and the others on board.

[@julosx]

And they managed to wreck this 707 even before it was delivered to its customer !

[@johncrumpley8702]

Who puts a cowboy like Baum at the controls, ever??? Nice video Allec.

[@psalm2forliberty577]

Love that 1959 Braniff Livery. Take screenshots ? Pictures of these early beautiful 707s On the runway with support vehicles at 8:10 By itself on runway 8:38 In flight, black & white 9:10 Click the blue timestamps it takes you there 😂

[@skipgetelman3418]

Glad we trained the dangerous maneuvers in simulators by the time my career began

[@EphemeralProductions]

Its like he was hotdogging, and or wanted to kill then both

[@lunchb0x1986]

Hotdogging?

[@csolivais1979]

@@lunchb0x1986 being a show off

[@EphemeralProductions]

@@lunchb0x1986 is an older term that means showing off

[@thhseeking]

Reminds me of the B52 pilot showing off and sliding that bomber straight to the ground :(

[@RO-pd2nn]

KZbin. This is a great channel. Stop trying to kill it. 🤷‍♂️

[@robertjonas6216]

Did they ever find the engines that were ripped off?

[@SSN515]

Just looked up the CAB report. The engines were found in wooded areas, 2 of them about 1 mile away from the crash site, and the remaining engine was about 1/2 mile from the crash site. Says the pylons were still attached to each engine.

[@Supersean0001]

The pylon/nacelle attach structure was one of the weaker points of the 707 design. There was a slew of Boeing Service Bulletins (and FAA ADs) on those areas, and they always got a lot of inspection, maintenance, and just general TLC back when I used to work on 707s as a mechanic.

[@robertjonas6216]

It’s fascinating. I live in Washington and travel past the Boeing plants In Everett and Renton. As an aviation geek, nothing gives me a bigger thrill than seeing all the new planes lined up in various states of construction. And to think of the 1000’s of aircraft that have been manufactured in these very buildings throughout the years. Some of them tragically destroyed like the one in this video.

[@SSN515]

@@Supersean0001 Cool. Wasn't Braniff rated as the most unsafe airline maintenance wise and safety wise back in the day? I seem to recall seeing that somewhere. Actually, I think the Smothers Brothers used to "joke" about sentencing Government Officials to fly on their planes.

[@charlesschneiter]

Late to the sow, but anyway: To correct a dutch roll _never ever_ use the aileron but gentle rudder inputs instead. For a Boeing test pilot to do such a ham fisted thing as described here is to me almost incomprehensible... Thanks Allec for another very instructive and very well done video! Charles ATPL ret.

[@rodolfoayalajr.8589]

Great memories 707 from N.Y to Puerto Rico 🇵🇷. Beautiful bird. Sad.rip Amen 🙏.

[@adamw.8579]

Alternate title: "How cowboy-pilot trashed brand new aircraft".

[@djmech3871]

How about, Stupid Pilot tricks?

[@hpharridan]

i recently read an excellent article about the making of Dr. Strangelove (or how i quit worrying and learned to love the bomb) and there was mention of an insane test pilot who successfully rolled a 707. it might have been in 'the atlantic' where i read that

[@steven-nb6rt]

The man who designed and built the 707 flew and rolled the airplane successfully in the area of Manhattan Island, New York. He was told by the FAA not to do that again. The 707 is a great airplane and is still being used as a KC135 refueler.

[@getsmarter5412]

There’s video on KZbin of that!

[@stevegiboney4493]

@@steven-nb6rt wrong… it was a test pilot for Boeing named Alvin “Tex” Johnston and it was rolled over lake Washington in seattle over the Gold Cup Hydroplane races during Seafair. And the FAA didn’t say anything, the FAA wasn’t created yet.

[@hpharridan]

@@getsmarter5412 of the 707 rolling?

[@steven-nb6rt]

@@stevegiboney4493 you are right about the Seattle area. The FAA did tell him at one time not to do that again. It was a youtube video.

[@flybyairplane3528]

Always loves the B707, I sat Rt seat in a B720, in the BRITISH SYSTEM, but I was kissed off with a medical, pissed off was mild, I had to surrender my license OUCH ! Took up a trade instead. eventually in USA I got a PPL, , CHERIO 🇬🇧🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@mbvoelker8448]

Every now and then you get an incident where test pilots appear to forget that it's possible for the plane to fail the test.

[@dblack2630]

Agreed! You'd think they'd keep design strength in mind while flying a jet without ejection seats, right? And this wasn't even supposed to be a test flight.

[@drakbar5957]

BN ordered five 220 models, but never replaced the one that crashed. They were the only airline that bought the 220.

[@Capecodham]

bn?

[@jamesclendon4811]

@@Capecodham Yeah, BN. Anybody as clever as you think you are should be able to figure it out.

[@Capecodham]

@@jamesclendon4811 What did you do with the time you saved not typing raiff?

[@JosephStalin-yk2hd]

@@Capecodham get a Life, grammar nazi.

[@ronparrish6666]

It had the 320,s engines that,s why they called the 220 a hotrod

[@surferdude44444]

“Well if Tex can do a Barrel Roll, then I can do a Dutch Roll!”

[@billmorris2613]

Good morning to all from SE Louisiana 17 Jun 22.

[@Ryu1478]

Allec, When will you do more Music Videos????

[@davef.2811]

@1:20, what are all those switches, etc, on the LR cockpit wall? Never seen anything like that in an actual 707.

[@derbagger22]

I suddenly want a cinnamon roll...

[@reltney20]

It’s funny as in the piston pilot world, the Dutch roll is a incorrectly named maneuver known properly as a coordination exercise . Dutch roll is primarily a swept wing instability. If your plane doesn’t have swept wings, it’s not a Dutch roll.

[@bullseyes1983]

It is not usual to see a crash were the responsibility is so clear and lies in just one person: Baum. He was even warned before the fatal test. And the crash conclusion barely changed anything, since the limitations were clear.

[@07willows]

Great video. I hadn't heard of this crash previously. I find it unbelievable that this test pilot was flying recklessly and dangerously with a member of the FAA aboard, and with experienced crew members. Totally unnecessarily killed innocent people. Regards. Derek C.

[@wallochdm1]

In the book "Growing Up Boeing", Rebecca Wallick (daughter of Boeing test pilot Lew Wallick) has an in-depth account of this accident and how Baum didn't like to play by the rules.

[@bobmillerick300]

Bubba, hold my beer. Lets see if i can rip the engines off this plane.

[@creeper8647]

Red flag right off the bat. Boeing captain was thirty-two, with a whopping five thousand hours. Fifty-eight seconds in I smell trouble.

[@apriltorres3684]

I have a couple of questions regarding this flight and eventual crash. In 1959 did airplanes have voice cockpit and flight recorders? How was the information obtained on what was going on in the cockpit if the recorders weren't put in yet. Why would a co-pilot do such dangerous stunt's and the pilot not doing anything about it. I think the video said there were 10 people on board but I'm not sure how many survived ? Rest in peace 🕊️ to all that perished on this plane.

[@martynh5410]

I only flew in a 707 once (as a passenger). Transatlantic flight JFK to LHR in 1980. Seemed like a great plane but a little noisy.

[@clqudy4750]

So in the instance of ditching, survivability is greatest if you're in the back of the plane? Good to know

[@debrawucik826]

I remember my dad talking about this...he was an aeronautical engineer.

[@peterlovett5841]

So many of these early jet crashes were due to a lack of knowledge of the handling of swept wing jet aircraft. When you see the trainee captain had in excess of 23,000 hours you can just about guarantee that it was all on piston engine straight wing aircraft whose handling characteristics are monumentally different to the first generation jet transports.

[@morry19965]

True - but he didnt cause the upset that lead to this disaster

[@peterlovett5841]

@@morry19965 Agreed but I doubt the Boeing pilot had that much swept wing experience either. It was at the time a whole new world and most experience in aviation is gained with blood.

[@virginiaviola5097]

That’s a really beautiful aircraft. Gorgeous lines. Too bad the instructor pilot was a show off.

[@InteriorDesignStudent]

Was there a toxicology report on Baum?

[@outwiththem]

I bet they were not using the rudders at all to recover from a steep dutch roll and used full aileron instead and he stalled it from lack of coordination. Seen many commercial jet pilots with weak rudder use. Most jet pilots cant recover safely from a spin after they produced it. Just like here. After stalling it and nose went down, they pulled too much elevator and exceeded the 6 G's limitations via Panic Pull. That ripped off the engines. Im a CFI.

[@mambagr]

On these jets the dutch roll recovery was ailerons ONLY.

[@jasguy2715]

What was going through the pilot's mind to do a 60% role.

[@georgeconway4360]

Are you talking about a 60 degree roll?

[@jasguy2715]

@@georgeconway4360 yup, I made a typo

[@fleetwin1]

I realize that the pilot exceeded limitations, but wondering if boeing beefed up the engine mounts anyway, hope so

[@errorsofmodernism9715]

the mounts are designed purposfully to break away so a wing is not torn off

[@fleetwin1]

@@errorsofmodernism9715 Guess that makes sense

[@TheEDFLegacy]

I wonder why they didn't have everyone _except_ the pilot to the back? The person in the flight engineer seat didn't have to be there... at that point, they were so close to landing, there was nothing they could have done. Same could be argued for the co-pilot, but I don't know how hard it was to control in the final moments.

[@jirkaszabo]

I flew the 707 in 60s from Europe to JFK airport,still around today,

[@trent3872]

Anybody want any Dutch Rolls? Fresh out of the oven.

[@FabJK4]

@@thiswasnoboakingaccident6368 Diniz in the Oven

[@JosephStalin-yk2hd]

How is this relevant to the video?

[@trent3872]

@@JosephStalin-yk2hd It was Dutch rolls that tore the engines off, keep up.

[@JosephStalin-yk2hd]

@@trent3872 you were talking about food, but I guess you had include that because it was in the video.

[@saboabbas123]

I remember something about a KC-135 (B707) that crashed due to dutch roll. Was this a/c susceptable to DR for some reason? yes, 3 May 2013:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_roll and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_707.

[@felixbaxter352]

I guess the plane was not accepted by Braniff?

[@Atlantis_Lord2660]

Reason it was called Ripped Apart: 7:04 The back if the plane is ripped apart

[@judymotto74]

Allec💯❤️

[@muffs55mercury61]

Admittedly the jet age did get off to a rocky start. Sometimes it was bugs in the plane and sometimes pilots never transitioned from piston engines to jets very well. In this case I felt it was plain stupid to try and exceed the jet's limits.

[@70slandshark47]

Muff, I agree that it is the beginning of the jet age and the bugs have to be worked out. I think what was the major contribution to this crash was the transformation from piston driven to jet engine. It's a whole different ballgame. The test pilot should have followed the limitations set by the engineers. It was 1959 and the jet age would open up a whole new world.

[@muffs55mercury61]

@@70slandshark47 The piston engined airliners have always been my favorite plane and as a kid got to fly on one a couple of times in the early 1960s (the DC-6 was still in service until about 1965-66 and the DC7 & Constellations until 1967 ) Many went into charter work after and we'd go to the airport back then doing plane spotting and often found some pristine examples there still flying . I miss that.

[@josephkungu159]

Test pilot died?

[@thestaggy]

Gets warned about the roll limitation and proceeds to do exactly what he was warned against. What was going through Baum's mind?

[@mileshigh1321]

You mention that all 8 people on board where in the cockpit. Doesn't the cockpit only seat 5 people including two jump seats? What a tragic event, that could have been averted or had a better outcome except for a hot shot pilot!

[@georgeconway4360]

Why make you think there has to be a seat? I’ve stood in the cockpit on numerous touch & Go’s.

[@kmacksb]

Have you covered Texas International Flight 655?

[@thedocnak]

easy to search on youtube....

[@kmacksb]

@@thedocnak It was kind of a prompting - as far as I can tell he has not covered this particular accident and I think it would be interesting.

[@JosephStalin-yk2hd]

@@thedocnak Allec would deliver a better overall documentary on the crash.

[@tommyjoseph6241]

Very good

[@sbolden123]

Oh they were hot dogging it!👎🤦‍♂️ playing around with very expensive equipment and or course their lives which are priceless 😭

[@BudTheDrummer]

I think showing off with your "product" is sketchy at best. Are Pilots qualified on simulators when flying an unfamiliar aircraft?

[@georgeconway4360]

Do you think they had simulators those days?

[@maxrichter6164]

Am I the only one who reads the general information text in my head with voice of Jonathan Ares (ACI Narrator)?

[@TheRealNatNat]

There is always that one idiot.. (see the B52 Fairchild's crash for example)

[@smartysmarty1714]

Baum with his 5K hours wanted to impress his superiors. That didn't work out very well...

[@turyjordan3827]

Planes don’t kill people, pilots do.