River Valley High School death: A timeline

[@straitstimesonline]

Solemn mood at River Valley High School as students return to campus: str.sg/33dT

[@tanskyler2560]

@@Tharros95 agreed

[@ethanang3527]

You are being Tabloid junkies, and who t f spread the news to the world, is it you or CNA???

[@xksmdksmndjsj7408]

@@ethanang3527 How Anger did have,theres no point to f anymore,nobody can do anythings...is spread out already by the way..what we can do now only do pray for the boy n family espcially b strong for rhe exprnce is a Test in life which ni ones expact ti happens in their life..but things happens always with a Reasons..

[@ethanang3527]

@@xksmdksmndjsj7408 True, I will stay calm and btw, ST is getting busy this week with elite schools.

[@huaah5793]

@@tanskyler2560 t

[@crewmatewillthrowthesehand7600]

Mental health check ups need to be as normalised as physical health check ups in schools. Not just one counsellor office tucked in a corner.

[@venusyap5953]

I am so agree, normalize it, educate ppl how to manage mental health. Human keep on evolving and our brain is getting more sophisticated too. Seriously please update the education system., children today not the same as father or grandfather time..

[@fishxutopia_]

someone shld start a petition

[@Tingveluv]

The society needs to eradicate the stigma attached to even visiting the counsellor's office. Too many of us are afraid of seeking help because of the perceived reactions from the public upon hearing about it.

[@milkingstxrs282]

Agreed!

[@glitterqueen3253]

hi tucker

[@epiphadipity]

The poor boy died scared and alone in that toilet... I hope he's in a better place now

[@freesoul3137]

AMEN

[@cursebr2937]

The 16yo purposely waited in the sec 1 toilet and ambushed a random sec 1 boy

[@cursebr2937]

The 16yo purposely waited in the sec 1 toilet and ambushed a random sec 1 boy

[@siriusblack3121]

Yes indeed, now I see your comment, poor boy. Feel so sad for the people who love him

[@Founderschannel123]

@@cursebr2937 i fuçking hated that mate like its sooo fuçking nuisance like who the hell would wait for some random sec 1 to go into the toilet and like stab the victim like why would he do that

[@godofbanana4752]

I honestly feel that everyone should stop making insensitive comments and blaming the assailant's parents for not appearing in court. At this stage, the parent's appearance in court will not make a difference. His parents are also processing their loss and would only cause more harm to other members of their family if their identity is revealed. Not to mention the negative impact to their career as well. This was a tragic incident that should make us reflect instead of simply pinning the blame on the government or the parents. For no parent would ever want this to happen to their child.

[@hangezoe6725]

wait there’s a court video?

[@hasansalim8143]

facts

[@fishxutopia_]

gd point

[@wolfietwins4052]

the parents dont deserve this.. his dad is called pastor Andy he helped us alot now his church is closed down 😭😭😭😭😭

[@hangezoe6725]

@@wolfietwins4052 is it pastor andy lim? i saw his facebook profile the other day.

[@myhandleisatleast3characters]

I feel so bad. May both the victim and the accused family have strength to get through this:

[@GabrielMartineIIifan]

The victim has no strength now Relax liberals, it's called dark humor

[@GabrielMartineIIifan]

In all seriousness, rip

[@Wendy-jt1ln]

As a parent, I feel we focused too much on our children's academic results instead of their well being. They maybe under tremendous stress which we may have underestimate. I really hoped our children can grow in a more carefree environment. RIP peace child

[@SaekoSeow4252]

I remember during PSLE time, i was under so much pressure from my parents that I contemplated suicide countless times

[@joannapaul2596]

But all schools in Singapore wnat only GOLD!!! Terrible ethos. !

[@zaintonputeh8475]

The killer parents should know that he tried commiting suicide 2 yrs ago that means he really need help. What they do?

[@CringeBasedDuality]

Jack Neo's I Not Stupid movies has a huge part to play in this

[@Billieeilish891]

I am not staying there anymore because I'm scared to live there the students must be dead 😭

[@lavenderwong4848]

Sometimes teachers and parents need to listen properly to how their kid feel. Most of the time we take things forgranted and brush matters off till its too late.

[@RonLarhz]

That's why I think these ppl r bunch if wayangs.

[@croust1501]

@DARIUS ZHONG SHANGHONG Student True. Sometimes these things are kept inside and it's hard to find clues since they keep their feelings to themselves.

[@creed8823]

Nowdays parent should be allowed to whack thier kids

[@creed8823]

And kid nowdays are ignorant and rude

[@creed8823]

Cant blame parents. If parents slap thier kid. They call it abuse.

[@Spinnymaster91]

As a parent myself i can't even begin to imagine what the victim's parents are going through now. My heartfelt condolences to the victim's loved one.

[@quakbetty3716]

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[@fengmagicgadget2987]

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[@Prots0392]

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[@supersyndiacate4860]

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[@GE-0530RN]

what is this chain..

[@nezukounoffical2951]

ngl, the press who were outside today shouldn't be there aft the sch students JUST suffered a tragedy that happened 2 days ago,its a shame that news outlets and the press just INVADES the students privacy when they didn't want to be featured in

[@skelethepro7351]

It's just business you can't stop it

[@pingyu5141]

When the incident happened in that school, and news agency and the press were there to gather information.. it is NOT an invasion of student privacy! The entire school with its student populace, need to immerse themselves in this situation, to get what is there to know for clearer informations to aid the ongoing investigation.

[@flowercities]

@@pingyu5141 ?????? are you serious

[@pingyu5141]

@@flowercities well yes i am serious, if the press needs to air the story on the news, why would you try to bar it... you hiding something? Not here in this situation maybe, but were you involved in any other heinous crime before?! Spill... Ok i'm just joking.

[@_wetmath_]

i agree that the press were invading the students' privacy. they should not have filmed them as they were walking out of the school gates. instead, they should have filmed the school with no one in frame. however, the press still has to report on such a big incident. to record and inform. it is unreasonable to think that the press should not be at the scene. they have to find out what happened, of course, in a respectful manner. TL; DR: the press shouldn't film the students but still must report the incident at the scene

[@michaelatkinson8083]

Such a pity for that sec 1 student, 1st year in the elite singapore school and he was gone just like that. This sec 1 student has a bright future ahead of him, he deserves to live on.

[@9405288]

No longer elite for now

[@raykys4195]

@@9405288 ur not funny

[@musiclove4887]

That murderous animal destroyed his bright future !

[@mohamedameer6061]

​@@raykys4195cry😂😂

[@kelp2243]

honestly the student shld have recieved help long ago, he had a history of suicide attempts but our society just brushes mental wellbeing away- and how the school/MOE dealt with the traumatised students aftwards- srsly a worksheet? and forcing them to come back right away? i guess we'll never learn...

[@karisleo9562]

I agree that the student should've received help earlier. But there are also new reforms that focus more on mental wellbeing. Also honestly I think that coming back to sch was better than staying at home, so did many of my classmates. We weren't forced to school, those who did not want to come didn't have to. Professional help was provided by the MOE and speaking from (my own) experience I did feel better. In the past few days, we barely had lessons and it was really nice to see how both the students and teachers supported each other thru this. Even tho the news only reported that exams were all cancelled for this week, exams in the next few weeks were also cancelled. I think the school did their best to help us, both students and staff. But that's just my opinion la

[@harumi_rumi]

It's kinda sad how the boy was just 13 years old....he missed so much stuff ahead of him....

[@shreyasbhatt7112]

The 13 year old boy was 13 years old?

[@harumi_rumi]

@@shreyasbhatt7112 yes!

[@PabloBS]

@@harumi_rumi he was part of the trickshotting community

[@kayoom9613]

As a student who battles through depression and struggles to get the better of it, I feel that things like this were bound to happen. Even the whole idea that random items can be purchased online without knowing who bought them is frightening. Mental health is no joke and it is often until things like this happen then we start to take notice. There could be more people out there who may do similar or worse so do look out for each other. No one should walk alone.

[@DammikaW48474]

My sincere prayers are sent to you in your journey forward. Just like you said, Noone should walk alone. You are a gift to your family, your friends and to the rest of your close loved ones. Please always remember that. Though I am a total stranger, please let me send you my heartfelt prayers for happiness. I know more than I care of what you are saying. Someone l cherish more than my own life was at one time in a situation similar to what you mentioned about yourself. However, with proper support and help they are now a happy person again. May you always remember there is light at the end of every tunnel. Please stay safe and Blessed 🙏 🍀.

[@lilyrosesoul0077]

I get what you say. For me as child and teenager back then too it was tough especially coming from a background of family violence & being forced by both parents to keep silent about the abuse ...pretty much made me suicidal and several attempts to end my life. Thankfully i survived but i agree support for mental health is crucial -- it helped me a lot since i have always been a loner and nobody i know wanted to discuss family violence. I advice you to turn to your school counselor , or good samaratins of singapore or family counselling centres to get help. I took those steps and these trained professionals really helped me. Dont be afraid the find more than one therapist or counsellor to speak to...not all counsellors are equal and some are better thsn others. Please take care.

[@safeworld-168yjk]

Hi Ka Yoom, hope u find strength & purpose thru the things u do. Life can throw shit at us, but we must keep believing that we are worthy, we can contribute, we can love, we can evolve into a better being, that problems can be overcome... By this self affirmation, we will find strength to pick ourselves up and go on. May u find joy, peace, and the zest for living a wonderful life. 💝😊🐣🦋

[@safeworld-168yjk]

@@lilyrosesoul0077 Hi Lily Rose. Thank u for sharing your own experiences to encourage another. U are a kind & awesome & worthy person. 👏👏👏😊May you find love, joy and peace. Love yourself, take good care of yourself n forgive others. Let go of the past. We can't do anythg to change them anyway. Find zest in living, be healthy, and be happy. God bless u. 🙏💝👍🦋🐣

[@safeworld-168yjk]

@@DammikaW48474 Thank you for encouraging one another. 👍👏👏👏✔💝😊😊

[@lizaanual9166]

Sincere condolences to the victim's parents. Rest in peace, kid.

[@santhikaruppiah4148]

May God give the strength for both the victim's and the accused families during this tragic period. 🙏

[@siriusblack3121]

If there is god

[@farrahkong1998]

@@siriusblack3121 If you can't tolerate others to have the concept of God, then you shouldn't live in this island.

[@niu745]

@@siriusblack3121 Amen

[@Founderschannel123]

@@siriusblack3121 there is god you dumbo

[@Founderschannel123]

@@niu745 amen

[@edgarwinoc4708]

What could have done better? Parents with child/children whom are seeing psychiatrist, should inform the concerned school's principal. He/she would instruct the involved teachers to pay special attention to the child.

[@oldlee2706]

You think teachers cares? Sorry not in their KPI.

[@siriusblack3121]

@@oldlee2706 some do care, till they know it is not in their payroll

[@lilyrosesoul0077]

Not every potential violent person can be "spotted" or kept an eye on them. I know it is not fair to compare to american cases -- but based on reports i have read about american school shootings -- some students were desbribed as quiet , kept to themselves and not considered violent before they committed their crimes.

[@oldlee2706]

@@lilyrosesoul0077 important thing is to have a correct environment for living. Only then society will revert. Less of these tragic events will eventually reduce.

[@nlmo1828]

@@siriusblack3121 most* it was just that the sec4 hid his emotions very well up until the day unfolded

[@yourmamandi]

Mental health needs to be taken more seriously in Sg

[@Iheartxia0]

Exactly la

[@cssj2737]

Yeah Many people look calm and relaxed but are suffering inside

[@fishxutopia_]

and adults should stop thinking that their kids are just sensitive

[@bigez5612]

we have had soldiers in our work place who has some underlying mental illness before enlistment, sad to say is that we were informed of their condition only quite awhile after he was working there n we had treated them as per normal soldier would n he starts to complained on us,like talking n giving instruction louder than usual, my point is, higher command knowing their pre-condition when they came to us, we as seniors would be able to better look out for them n treated them otherwise. good thing nothing has yet happened, just a caution.

[@ridinglikearussian5945]

Mental illness can create a scary, invisible force which can neither be seen nor felt, but could cause unparalleled devastation and grief

[@aiannarae5181]

Felt sad for both parents😢😢😢

[@snoopy6606]

Don't feel sad for the 16 years old boy family. They have to pay for it. Other family loses their child!!!

[@ethanang3527]

STFU to both of you. Imagine if the guy is facing serious illness, he is facing serious illness that he need help, however, the help is not done enough by the government.

[@ethanang3527]

It is also reported that the attacker has sent to IMH before for assessment, you think when a person is mentally ill easy to take care, he is not mentally stable at the time of killing so leave them alone to the authorities

[@malnutritionboy]

@@snoopy6606 the 2 of you. Place yourself in his parents shoes, you want your child to be normal and have a successful, fulfilling life. How do you expect them to know what is the right thing to do? There isn't any rule book on what to do for them. Please before you blabber your ugly mouth again, learn to have more empathy.

[@blueraineee]

@@irisloh6252 There is no special school for those who are feeling suicidal/have attempted to suicide before. Special schools are for the intellectually disabled or special needs.

[@matteaboutblack]

Its really not easy for the deceased parent to come to terms on such an innocent tragedy..deepest condolences for their lost. The family of the 16yr old is neither spared with the attention now from what their son did. Being a parent themselves, am sure they are in deep remorse for what had happened. No one expected and wanted such things to happen. Its time for parents to spend more time with the kids, cos mental issues are not something like a simple cut on ones finger and putting a plaster will fix the wound. Mental issues takes time and attention especially from love ones

[@Nocthmyst]

The topic of mental illnesses really need to be brought to attention. Issues like this unfortunately always go unnoticed until it's far too late.

[@ashlynseah2575]

The problem is that there is so much stigma around mental illness that many suffering from them choose to bottle up and keep it hidden as they are afraid that by telling people, the illness will be all they are seen as and they will no longer be seen as regular people, rather as some weirdo with a brain problem. Then, one day they just snap. I should know. I have depression And anxiety and....... ( you get the point) It’s not easy to deal with this kind of thing. I can’t speak for everyone but there are times where I just completely black out and there is this blank spot in my memory, but from other people’s recounts I know I wasn’t simply unconscious. I was doing things that I weren’t aware of doing. Maybe that boy was going through something similar? He is from a reputable school I doubt the environment had anything to do with it so...

[@brandonleeweihan]

leave the students alone pls

[@brandonleeweihan]

@@victorbond4103 i was referring to the media attempting to interview the students. . i, too, agree that the school needs to supervise the students.

[@Felix_SG]

Such an incident was only a matter of time for it to happen. Mental health is a generally taboo subject here, Poorly understood and even less studied among our population. Schools as a institution is ideal for effective mass education but when dealing with individuals the school with it’s rules and biases towards conformity is breeding ground for distressed individuals. We put a lot of effort in the welfare of students. Grooming all rounded citizens etc etc. but a single student facing severe personal crisis is just one face in hundreds. If a school like RVSH with all it’s resources and calibre of it’s team could let this happen. What hope for the average Singaporean? Time to stop washing over the mental health issues of our students and openly discuss the stress of being elite.

[@mingyuhuang8944]

absolutely. We need to elevate our societal status so that people can speak their mind without the anxiety of being judged or frowned upon. Other than suppressing it, leading to an eventual frenzied outburst, it is better to soothe and remedy the issues that people have openly, honestly and calmly.

[@et8633]

The school has failed to provide a safe environment for the students. Victim's family might consider a lawsuit.

[@yvonnelee2859]

Feel so so so so sad.. a precious life lost n another destroyed…

[@nommingmochi]

@Steve Wolcott what do you mean? an innocent 13 year old got murdered for no reason

[@Raul-wd1jb]

And they say animals are the uncivilised ones

[@editinglia7132]

I feel sooo scared my bro is in secondary and we are in Singapore now there is soo many deaths in Singapore hope nothing happens to any other innocent person from schools

[@editinglia7132]

Nvm:) thx for support

[@gabrielchinzz3332]

@@olliebunbun Rich country but still many poor ppl sigh....

[@gabrielchinzz3332]

@@editinglia7132 I assure you there's nothing scary about secondary school,from my 3 year experience I felt very safe,these incidents are rare but reflects that we still need to be vigilant

[@azmyleo67]

Felt sad for the parents of both students, for their losses. One gone forever, the other gone to prison... 😢😢😢

[@caramelbs8287]

I felt good for the kid who gone to prison he was deserved to be jailed but so sad for ethan :(

[@slowframeclips2738]

It’s really time we stop putting so much pressure on our children

[@koosmangat]

And yourself too.. we should look after our own kids well.. and tell this govt to lower the cost of living.. its making both parents focus on finances rather than our children upbringing

[@slowframeclips2738]

@@koosmangat thing is we don’t have a unified voice strong enough to say that to the govt. instead we still put up with policies and directives which have been very fickle and confusing. I really wonder how our children’s life will be in this rat race.

[@lfg5555]

We are being taught at school from a to z, to solve all complex formulas but nothing about mental health or stress management. My heart goes out to the 2 victims whereby this tragedy was not saved on time, at the time of crime and watching out for mental distressed students. Please, with this tragedy, our education system must address mental health issues in youth!!!

[@nlmo1828]

We actually had like a few cce lessons on different topics but like, very people recognize it's importance

[@etloo1971]

There's a danger of forced suppressed anger that led to this murder. Our society usually shamed people to hide their weakness and problems.

Honestly this basically killed the schools reputation and now barely any students will move in next year

[@moddedguy7171]

Ngl they kinda deserve it, they did not do anything except give worksheets after the boy's suicide attempts.

[@tails2go286]

Sigh..such a atas(meaning is superior) school and honestly the fact that the person mental health was affected well the school got what it deserved.

[@c0smo3tc29]

I can’t believe it. Someone who had a future ahead of him after passing his psle was killed just like that? It’s so shocking.

[@noori426]

As a parent my self I feel very very sad why this thing can happen in the safe place like school😭

[@G0RR.]

How is school a safe place? Lot of bad stuff happens there

[@nezukounoffical2951]

I hope MOE could improve Mental Health Awareness among schools,and dictate the schools and give instructions to the schools on HOW to conduct a proper event/talk on Mental Health, I hope schools can start implementing changes to our education system and not let these kind of stuffs happening again,a death is alr too much for sgporeans to take on...esp if its a teenager...hope that in a few years time,our education landscape changes for the best and that students well being are being taken good care of...for now we all only can greive and pray for those who were involved..

[@biutifulkruz798]

The way the mainstream media puts it really makes me wonder many things that went unanswered. If the two boys do not know each other, then why the Sec4 boy stopped at killing just one person only? A really out-of-the-mind person could turn berserk and kill plenty more. Why hole up in the toilet? Because you want to ambush your target while he/she is at the most vulnerable position, isn't it? It is a pre-mediated move. It is planned ahead. You waited for the target to appear. Compared to those campus killing in the western countries, the casualty is always more than one person because a genuine mentally-impaired person will go all out and lose total control. Obviously, they must have known each other! One of my nephews said the two boys know each other and there was a feud between them. The sec4 boy dropped the weapon and waited for police to arrive. Not much resistance. I would not rule out the possibility of feud arising from playing too much mobile games that constantly expose young minds with brutality, violence and cold-bloodied acts. It is time we stop school-going children from having social media accounts that could spark enimity just because of some mere comments or dislikes.

[@DammikaW48474]

@@biutifulkruz798 For God's sake stop pasting the same useless speculation over and over again. Are you not ashamed of yourself? Like a vulture landing on a rotting carcass you zoom in on a tragedy that involved young children!!! And make wild guesses. What if this happened to your so called know it all nephew? What if he, God Forbid, was either the victim or the perpetrator? Would you NOT want to have your privacy and would not you recent when total strangers make unfounded speculations that serve no purpose?? Ha, now at least you understand their pain, l guess. So, leave the families of both the victim and the assailant alone. Let them do their mourning peacefully for their lost loved one and the destroyed one respectively.

[@biutifulkruz798]

@@DammikaW48474 control yourself. I am replying to others. Nothing to do with you. Btw you dont own youtube or any platform. If you dont agree with me, You dont need to go around and drop angry words at me. My actions are my own karma. Not yours to regulate. May peace be with you.

[@Jinkypigs]

You talk as if the school do not have teams of internal and external counsellors on board, working daily with students who are troubled. Find out more before you post dude

[@BrownSillyCat]

@@biutifulkruz798 dude ur kinda hypocritical ngl

[@starbutterflygaming8881]

Do not speculate in the comments

[@rhearfl698]

Why can’t Singapore just stop putting so much pressure on students just cuz they want to be the top they don’t think about the students if they can’t take it

[@ridinglikearussian5945]

Dangerously 'kiasu' parents

[@rhearfl698]

@@ridinglikearussian5945 kiasu?

[@rachiee4092]

@@rhearfl698 kiasu, which is like an accent but it means 怕输, the fear of losing if u translate it literally.. basically it means the parents want their children to excel and not lose face

[@rhearfl698]

@@rachiee4092 ohh I am local but I don’t understand some of these words it’s might be weird that I don’t but most of these words I can’t understand

[@gehrmansparr0w]

@@ridinglikearussian5945 ikr. My parents want 90% and above for all exams

[@nikooru97]

Just want to put this out here that if any of you are harbouring suicidal ideation, talk to a person whom you can trust, reach out to any of the helplines. You are not alone and you dont have to suffer by yourself.

[@jveyvns]

easier said than done

[@nikooru97]

@hypluv of course it is never easy. But it doesn't mean you should stop reminding others they are not alone. Mental health is often an individual battle but you don't have to be lonely in that process of it all.

[@alyssasg4119]

My deepest condolences to the family of the boy who passed away .. it’s heartbreaking as a parent to hear ur child being killed 😔😔. Hope this boy is in a better place

[@nurellayan1]

how scary that a student killed a student, but i hope they will go through this hardship smoothly :)

[@matt-md2mn]

Cant imagine the parents grief... really heartwrenching.. May God give them the strength .. unacceptable passing of the loved one,May the boy soul Rest in peace ..🙏🏻😥 Om Namah Shivaya🙏🏻

[@Unmai-Mei]

Om Namo Narayanaya !!!

[@wallacetang_]

Oh my gosh, even though I'm Malaysian but my heart literally broke when this happened in Singapore, even though this rarely happens. To the victim's parents, I'm really sorry about what had happened. May your child rest in peace. Always stay strong, your child is in a better place now. Your child doesn't like to see you cry and become weak because of his/her death. He/She just wants to wish you to be strong. May your child rest in peace.

[@shinostripe3292]

Our ethan who has 1.28k subs on his yt died RIP legend 😭

[@sgphilgoh]

I believe this is the first time in the entire history of Singapore that manslaughter happens in school. During extremely difficult times like what we're in right now, not only adults are under stress, but children too are under stress. It's that time that MOE look into this incident closely and come out with some measures that can prevent such unfortunate incident from happening again.

[@enetonic]

This isn't manslaughter, this is murder. Let me explain the difference. Manslaughter - You take a nearby weapon and attack someone, killing them in impulse. Murder - You planned and prepare how you are gonna kill someone and the proceed with the plan, killing them. In this case the assailant brought the axe online which means he planned to kill someone.

[@Mushvrooommm]

We have only started secondary school for 6 months- rest on peace 😭

[@ashloveya]

i cant even imagine the worry and panic that the parents of the boy had to go through if they were waiting outside the school hoping that their child is okay and is not the victim.

[@Star-fr4jz]

The only burning question I ask: *why?*

[@ttchme9816]

Cultist? Secret society? Drug dealers? Ghosts? Some deeper things? We'll never know. Just hope that the boy may rest in peace.

[@Newcoolboy]

Stress

[@gehrmansparr0w]

Stress I think, or mental health problems. From P3 already have exam and then PSLE and crushing expectations.

[@s0me1usaw]

F. May you rest in peace.

[@agentprovocateur8899]

People who have been through trauma have been shown to improve the more they discuss the event. If you know someone and the timing's right, do it.

[@xia0b0iix]

Such therapy can be expensive, I myself prefer cheaper alternative . I counselled myself.

[@agentprovocateur8899]

@@xia0b0iix Therapy is not the only way and that sounds unrealistic for many. Hope it worked out for you though

[@lfg5555]

It's just not right that the school failed to stop the tragedy from happening

[@AssassinXMod]

School and Parents should worry about mental health of students than just academic results else things like this could happen again, too often we go unaware of what people around them is going through until it is too late.

[@josephSG8742singapore]

The 16 age boy need to get punishment. Not only tis incident affect the school, it also affect Singapore. 21july21 1230pm

[@zaintonputeh8475]

The parents should be blame for this incident. Killing someone child cannot be accepted in singapore. Hang the parents.

[@allisterw5371]

Death penalty is a must..yes underage but gov can hold him till he is 18yrs old then proceed the section 302.

[@Philatherapist]

Zainton Puteh Seriously?🤭

[@johnparker4481]

Poor family on both side. Very poor speech from the minister of education .

[@nlmo1828]

Maybe stop criticizing?

[@tails2go286]

If u say poor... then what u expect the minister to say? Not like u are the one speaking

[@lee-lv8zo]

student from a school near river valley, I'm so sorry for this incident, my friend told me you guys get stares after this happened I hope its not too bad :( my wishes go to the family of the victim and I hope all of u recover from this soon, stay strong river valley

[@aaronadam4747]

Stressful environment in Singapore education system must end now.

[@jen5138]

I don't think it's right to blame every mental issue on stress and the eduction system. You and I are all products from the education system too but we don't go around killing people do we? Stress is typically induced by parents at home. My parents never demanded good grades from my siblings and I. In fact, just a pass was more than good enough. We only got the tuition we asked for and went on our own pace. All under the same education system. While the older ones didn't pursue a university degree, the two younger ones excelled int their academics and went on to graduate from NUS and SMU accordingly. So rather than merely pointing fingers at the govt and the system, point first to parents who are the obvious stress inducer. That being said, I don't disagree that the education system is stressful but it's the same in other countries as well especially in Asia. When we enter the workforce, it's gonne be even more stressful and competitive. Pardon for the digression here but I don't think the student deciding to kill was an act of stress relieve. Perhaps I've watched too many crime pscyhology documentaries but those murderers don't kill because of stress. Most of them had gone through some sort of trauma typically abuse at home during their childhood. I think the parents should be subjected to further investigations. I highly doubt the killing was due to stress from studies. It's unlikely.

[@nlmo1828]

End education system the whole sg Die woh, not a great idea. Singapore no natural resource like oil or such ,our resource are people. Without education our people can't work for money. The government needs us to make money in order to have more money

[@aaronadam4747]

@@nlmo1828 Yes Education is important, but it should not be confined to getting good marks and grades. Obsession is the problem here. Singapore needs to follow Finland's education system where their people are the happiest in the world.

[@safeworld-168yjk]

Agree! Thanks. 👍👍👍

[@karisleo9562]

@@aaronadam4747 not so easy :/ making our education system like Finland's probably doesn't work for us because there are many aspects to this problem, including the prevailing mindsets/core values like meritocracy, competitiveness and kiasuism which we can't really change no matter how radical reforms are in our education system. It's pretty complex. for example, if we suddenly abolished all standardized exams (except for the last one where u finally get to leave formal education) (which is what Finland's education system is like), don't you think anxious parents would want to gauge how their children are faring in school and send them to even more tuition= more stress also?

[@noelthomas2]

2 months later, still an extremely saddening incident. I hope the boy is living a fruitful life in heaven. As weird as this sounds because of the context, You Only Live Once. RIP.

[@weikwanglee4383]

Condolences. I do not get the online purchase of the axe bit, & the need to bring the item to a secondary school. I am sure before the incident, a lot of people must know of the presence of this axe. Isn't an axe at home something. Isn't an axe in the hands of a 16 year old in school alarming? No bells were raised as if such were part & parcel of life in that school. A bully gang angle? A pecking order? What about teachers? Sad.

[@ahmadsolehyn295]

It could be a throwing axe or tomahawk. They are small enough to be kept in the bag.

[@majoribank]

Media please stoo harassing the students outside school. Stop reporting

[@jo0niverse]

they didnt report about any student in particular except for the ones involved

[@snoopy6606]

If anyone or any of you killed a person, then just said that, oh... this person have mental health problem then where is the law!!! May the law and judgess be fair to the other family which loses their child. As a mother I feel very sad for the 13 year old boy and his family members. May you R.I.P . 😔

[@aisyshadi]

I really hope the judicial system does not take this lightly. There will be copycats "inspired".

[@barney3515]

People with Mental Problems are excusable to certain cases as per the law.

[@aisyshadi]

@@barney3515 so does this give any reason for others who are diagnosed mentally impaired that they can do whatever they want? There is rarely a perpetrator who is suicidal then turned murderer. Usually there is only murderer turned suicidal. Not the other way round. This kid is clearly psychopathic. Stop using the mental problem card. Mental problem do not meticulously plan out a murder by purchasing an axe online and decide to bring the weapon to school and kill. It takes planning. If he really has mental problems, he would just take a tool from D&T or F&N classes or whatever available in school, snap and kill someone. How he planned and waited for the poor boy is astonishing to me.

[@barney3515]

@@aisyshadi Probably should rephrase my reply. I'm not saying that the mentally disabled automatically get a pass from jail. From my understanding, some might go thorugh rehabilitation while serving prison. Those deemed criminally insane would be sent to asyllums (early days) and rehab centers nowadays.

[@barney3515]

@@aisyshadi Another thing I wanna point out: "mental problem do not meticulously plan out a murder". Please enlighten yourself on mental disorders before stating this fact. This just shows that you are stereotyping people with mental disorders to be dumb and incapapable of doing everyday things. Although some may be incapable of doing those things, I can confidently say at least above 50% of those with psycological disorders know what they're doing. I have a friend who is autistic. Despite him being autistic, you can still see that there is a spark of intelligence in him, despite the fact that they don't show it explicitly. Also, we live in the 21st century, not the 20th anymore. Have you seen how easy it is to order an axe online? Even a twelve year old could do it with a credit card.

[@itsyogirlweii7849]

I think that the people of Singapore should open their eyes on mental health after this incident. Heck, I don't think it's just Singapore but Asia as a whole because we are often told that having mental health problems = being a crazy person/ a lunatic, which is so not true + it's way complex and diverse than we think it is. I have so many friends and family members living in SG and the system there is so stressful. Not only that, quite an amount of parents I've seen so far put a ton of pressure to children at a very young age, and it could lead to childhood trauma. And that fear grows as they grow older. I felt it first hand and instead of becoming one of the best in my peers, I dropped so much because of how much pressure and resistance being pent up for years just exploded. I literally end up not knowing what to do as i was always following the wishes of my parents, like a robot. As much as us adults, esp parents, want the next generation to flourish in their lifetime, pressuring children to perfection + making them feel ashamed for not being really good at something/anything/everything at all is not the way to go. For parents and future parents out there, please be there for your children and not blame them every small thing. Instead, guide your children to the path they want to go and support them in whatever this rollercoaster of a life gives us. Other than that, please don't project your insecurities and past regrets to your children. Normalize learning to self reflect and heal from your own past traumas that you may not know before but you are subconsiously projecting it outside. It's subtle but it impacts children at a very young age as at that age, they absorb everything like a sponge.

[@safeworld-168yjk]

Well said. Good points. Thank u. 👍👍👍

[@hipposamadesu]

School security need to be enhanced to prevent such act of terrorism in future. Weapons must be banned from all online shopping platforms.

[@freddy9646]

Alot of tools can be used as a weapon. Granted an axe not being spotted is concerning but how do you ban screwdrivers and cutters?

[@ethanang3527]

Even a pen can be considered a weapon. Basically anything can be considered a weapon is just how you use the tool.

[@joeylee6094]

While we're at it, we should ban Everything, from Pencils, kitchen knives, everything in between, including fists and legs, because people can die from such assaults too. Slippery slope, Lee. You bring shame to the Lee community.

[@tengkuaman9370]

I just curious, what's make him trigger to done such attack 😳

[@xd4379]

the tremendous academical pressure. he had a history of suicide attempt

[@Philatherapist]

RV is one of the SAP and top schools but sadly SAP schools are meant for one ethnic group only. Students in SAP school arguably lack the opportunities to socialise with students of the other ethnicity and whether this is good or bad is for the experts to figure it out. We all know that students in the SAP schools attended ‘ neighborhood’ primary schools with multi-ethnicity students and some made good friends but when they cleared their PSLE,that relationship ended. The students went to different secondary or SAP schools because of their PSLE’s T score.Most ended at ‘neighborhood secondary schools and they could still mingle with their schoolmates from different backgrounds but is it t the same at SAP schools?

[@johnpaul4300]

@@Philatherapist As a student from a SAP school i think that’s one good point but i doubt ethnic groups really affects a student that much because after all despite the ethnicity, students can still mingle well so the reason why he attempted what he did is really hard to say and we shouldn’t speculate

[@minghui2254]

I am curious abt the axe. Who purchase the axe and how they managed to place the axe in the school? How did the 16 year old get the axe? It's kinda weird 16 year old kill a 13 year old but they dont know each other and there's no motive for this action. I feel sad for both parties but what the trigger to caused all this thing to happened.

[@Filmedby_chloe_]

The little boy was innocent and some random sec 4 came to murder him? It so UNFAIR pls River Valley Please protect Singapore 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@biutifulkruz798]

The way the mainstream media puts it really makes me wonder many things that went unanswered. If the two boys do not know each other, then why the Sec4 boy stopped at killing just one person only? A really out-of-the-mind person could turn berserk and kill plenty more. Why hole up in the toilet? Because you want to ambush your target while he/she is at the most vulnerable position, isn't it? It is a pre-mediated move. It is planned ahead. You waited for the target to appear. Compared to those campus killing in the western countries, the casualty is always more than one person because a genuine mentally-impaired person will go all out and lose total control. Obviously, they must have known each other! One of my nephews said the two boys know each other and there was a feud between them. The sec4 boy dropped the weapon and waited for police to arrive. Not much resistance. I would not rule out the possibility of feud arising from playing too much mobile games that constantly expose young minds with brutality, violence and cold-bloodied acts. It is time we stop school-going children from having social media accounts that could spark enimity just because of some mere comments or dislikes.

[@DammikaW48474]

@@biutifulkruz798 So many speculations are made here. Like that family psychologist said the other day, one must not make wild guesses regarding this matter for the sake of the affected families. He also said we must try to put oneself in the affected families' shoes. No sane person raise their kid to be a killer. Something terribly must have gone wrong in the 16 year old child 's life for him to perpetrate this unspeakable, unpardonable crime. That is NOT justifying his actions in ANYWAY! (SEE, UNPARDONABLE). However, WE don't know ANYTHING about those terrible happenings of his life, if any, his motives and the like. So, in my opinion, I think speculating won't solve any issue and we should leave the investigation to the relevant government authorities. And more than anything should not circulate gossip about the innocent child who lost his life. At least we should let that family mourn their loved one peacefully.

[@biutifulkruz798]

@@DammikaW48474 out of compassion, can you allow the Sec4 boy to continue living? It is sad for the Sec1 boy to die in this unfortunate incident. But what has gone ; is gone. The remaining life is the Sec4 boy. I dont want to see him get hang. If that happens, then we are losing two dear lives from this incident. Please spare the life of a confused child and believe he will get better to help many others in the future.

[@DammikaW48474]

@@biutifulkruz798 I refuse to argue with you. Do you have reading comprehension issues??? When did I ever say l want the sec 4 child to have capital punishment??? Is that your half cohesive post accusing me of??? I said "unpardonable" not in the *legal* sense AT ALL!! I meant it morally. And try reading my post carefully of what I was trying to tell you. I was not very direct in my previous to save your feelings, but I meant YOUR wild speculations about "your nephew knowing the sec1 child and sec 4 child had a feud" and such BS. YOU are the one tarnishing not just the sec 4 child but the memory of the child who lost his precious life by your wild speculations!!! And YOU have the gall to speculate whether l have compassion??? The nerve! FYI l am against capital punishment even for adult capital criminals. That's my personal opinion. As for the sec 4 student, I have enough compassion for him and his family too, more so than you can imagine. THAT'S WHY I don't go on making stupid, wild speculations that won't help anyone, least of all both children who had their lives changed forever now! So, don't you dare preach me about compassion!

[@biutifulkruz798]

@@DammikaW48474 triggered. Sorry to trigger you. It seems like your Circuit Breaker snaps and fails to contain your angry words flowing from your verbal diarrhea. Oops.

[@marcyeo4635]

With reports of school violence in the US, isnt there a protocol where students are checked for possession of any sort of weaponry here in Singapore? My deepest condolences to the family of the victim 😔

[@Felix_SG]

Firstly this is not the US. To copy a band-aid solution from another country is not dealing with the real problem. In the US its the convenient availability of lethal weapons that is the problem. Secondly a protocol will only check for the obvious items like guns, knives, and axes etc. It doesn’t deal with the mental illness which could be the underlying issue here. Should we have a protocol to have school check if their students have become sociopaths at the gate? Bottom another process at the school simply passes the responsibility to another institution when this should have been a private personal issue. Which it was, until the students murders another student.

[@jflim7851]

Don't always America here n there when there is so many imposter say they are American

[@caramelbs8287]

I know the channel of the boy who died and i also know his name i'm so sorry to hear that

[@PabloBS]

ethan 2 8 9 7 3 I came back to this because another trickshotter died just 3 days ago

[@LemonPhoenix64]

This is crazy.

[@rockyroll4021]

Could this tragedy have been prevented?

[@googlgfacef218]

yes this could have been prevented. if the attacker's family had spent more time and gave more care attention to their child, the attacker will not go crazy, buy a $40 axe online and chop someone else's child.

[@verticusdomino9125]

I was a victim of bully too during my sec sch days..there wasn't a system 2 decades ago to report ..so is there any improvement now or still brush issues under carpet ?

[@rosegamer2672]

Since the vid said there is a link of the 16 year old who went to court.. can someone pls send me the link... thanks...

[@olliebunbun]

So sorry for the 13yo boy's family. Unfortunately this is what happens when all you nurture is your brain and pride, which is all these so-called 'good schools' in Asia do.

[@yan5093]

the parents of the attacker are not in court with him??

[@googlgfacef218]

scared of reporters, scared to apologise to public. the attacker was answering questions from remand centre via live teleconference. the parents should have outright apologise to the victim's families publicly regardless the verdict. the parents should man up to their child's wrongdoings.

[@EnviroMation]

@@jamilm4668 Why stfu?

[@googlgfacef218]

@@jamilm4668 All parents must bear full responsibility for their child's (wrong) actions. For you, i hope you are a good person, and when you are a parent, I hope you do the right thing when your child is in the wrong.

[@googlgfacef218]

@@coclim5712 Lim, you better stfu, stop defending wrongdoing.

[@googlgfacef218]

@@Sophie-yy6tc there are 2 possibilities to why the attacker's parents did not apologise. 1. Apologizing incriminates their child and hence weaken their child's defense in court. 2. The parents do not think they owe any apology to (anyone) because its their child's own actions. A sentencing by the court is enough as punishment.

[@wolfietwins4052]

omg thats my friends from singapore his dad is pastor Andy they were such good people! they helped my family alot They dont deserver this :(

[@Ocro555]

may the deceased rest in peace😞

[@annabellezagda5022]

As a mother, my heart aches for the mommies... trust in the Lord mommies, all things happened for a reason... Sending my warmth sympathy to the families. . Praying for comfort, healing and restoration not just on the families but also to the boy who committed the crime

[@margaretceline2711]

My deepest condolences to the parent who lost their precious son, l pray may tat little good soul rest in peace

[@glaucous3189]

It's quite sad honestly, RV is a school of pretty smart people so for him to die after so many years of hardwork is just truly unfortunate.

[@yveliatan7688]

Students normally won't carry school bag with them during recess time. Classroom is usually locked and key are managed by class chairperson. The fact that no one finds it amiss when the boy carries the school bag (with the axe) into toilet also shows flaw in the system especially when they know the Sec 4 boy has some special needs. I feel very sorry for the victim's parents. Just imagining the situation happen to my child is already heart breaking. He must have gone through so much pain alone. Moving on, I feel they should let students have a buddy system to keep track of suspicious behavior and to protect the buddy. No school bag is allowed to be taken out during recess. If there is a need, they must seek permission from the teacher and be accompanied by them.

[@itan1759]

It is tragic when sons/daughters of Singapore die but words failed to the love ones, when it happened at institutions deemed to be most safe.

[@wingwahwingwah8089]

‎And it's a poor reward for a teacher to always be a student.‎.. in 2000s neighborhood secondary where my son schooled. Mob student worst off a tyrant not even a bully a small little coward breathe fire to show terror, armed with baton to school. My son was the victim been mobbed & bullied only come truth with layer after layer cajoling then relent ..telling openly. I written to MOE & shake-up my dire concern . The principal first attempt "why i wrote to MOE', Headmaster " no gangster, what.." no vaccine for human stupidity. Being a parent trust your gut feeling is always spot on. Why? Nowadays young is too quick to think & very certain about everything. They fly into flying never walk then run! how we parent endure!

[@wingwahwingwah8089]

It breaks my heart. Better than your words, your eye tells me all your peril. You are not yet free, you still search for freedom. Your search has fatigued you and made you too wakeful. You long for the open heights, your soul thirsts for the stars. But your bad instincts too thirst for freedom. Your fierce dogs long for freedom; they bark for joy in their cellar when your spirit aspires to break open all prisons. To me you are still a prisoner who imagines freedom: ah, such prisoners of the soul become clever, but also deceitful and base. The free man of the spirit, too, must still purify himself. Much of the prison and rottenness still remain within him: his eye still has to become pure. Yes, I know your peril. But, by my love and hope I entreat you: do not reject your love and hope! You still feel yourself noble, and the others, too, who dislike you and cast evil glances at you, still feel you are noble. Learn that everyone finds the noble man an obstruction. The good, too, find the noble man an obstruction: and even when they call him a good man they do so in order to make away with him. The noble man wants to create new things and a new virtue. The good man wants the old things and that the old things shall be preserved. But that is not the danger for the noble man - that he may become a good man - but that he may become an impudent one, a derider, a destroyer. Alas, I have known noble men who lost their highest hope. And henceforth they slandered all high hopes. Henceforth they lived impudently in brief pleasures, and they had hardly an aim beyond the day. ‘Spirit is also sensual pleasure’ - thus they spoke. Then the wings of their spirit broke: now it creeps around and it makes dirty what it feeds on. Once they thought of becoming heroes: now they are sensualists. The hero is to them an affliction and a terror. But, by my love and hope I entreat you: do not reject the hero in your soul! Keep holy your highest hope!

[@spacex6997]

It sometimes feels like we our social progression is lagging behind.

[@HRSE_POWER]

That guy probably had a bad day and made it even worse by commiting a murder

[@haokerli1737]

Thankfully those IP1s had their phone with them to contact police or other ppl. In some school their phones are locked

[@dfttones]

all schools should start to do bag checks for any weapons like airport like that ( just a suggestion, feel free to agree or disagree with me )

[@BrownSillyCat]

Lmao my friend's class did that once and my friend got exposed for having a pokemon card and it got conviscated lol

[@nlmo1828]

This is gonna be a little time consuming for students.

[@dfttones]

@@BrownSillyCat still has greater worries than a card

[@dfttones]

@@nlmo1828 true but its not worth the risk and maybe they can put the time to reach to school later than usual

[@BrownSillyCat]

@@dfttones rip that mewtwo pokemon card

[@lilyrosesoul0077]

I wonder if this crime is somehow linked to violent computer games/tv shows etc. Or were there underlying issues? I suppose since the assailant is a juvenile -- many details may be kept confidential from the public while the investigation is on-going. Very sad and shocking to see this happen in our local school.

[@joeylee6094]

Yes, finally. A user with some common sense to suggest that it may or not be linked to stuff like that. Instead of blaming it entirely on it, without any evidences that point towards it

[@lerlo]

What's the point of this timeline?

[@ogener3847]

I feel very sad for both of boys and parents....

[@s4und3rs_highhms47]

Rest In Peace to that poor soul who lost his life

[@Roshikiki]

This may be incredibly late as J had no idea that this incident actually happened. My deepest condolences to the victim’s family and accused family. Rest In Peace😢😢

[@lanceyeo2858]

My deepest condolences. I’m not surprised that future secondary school students need to take psychology test.

[@luvlxcookiex4672]

The boy is in heaven. My deepest condolences to the family of the victim. ❤️

[@pandapie377]

So scary, imagine all the ah gong ah ma till the latest generation all first time hearing this kind of news happening in sg

[@lan._.jingyis_memepage]

Boo on you for filming minors uninvolved in the case

[@auntieboss791]

說句公道话，对死者的家人説；人死不能復生，請死者家人要照顾自己身体(我了解說很容易做很难)我们只能安慰死者的家人。对对方的家长，大家不要怪他的家长，誰希望自己孩子做这种事？雖然他的孩子沒死，但对他的家长有分别嗎？(一样痛苦)。也希望大家，家长不要怪学校，老师，什么学校都一样，名校也有不好的学生，不好的学校也有好的学生，家长为了生活要工作，老师为了工課，大家都很壓力，將心比心(这是我從心里說出来的话，因为我曾在学校做过义工十一年，了解老师，家长，学生)希望大家能了解！

[@hannah5245]

1 year on, what's the update on the boy?

[@jasperherr8694]

He pleaded guilty and sentenced to life imprisonment & caning. The boy even went for his O level. While the other one is in the grave.

[@m4gn3tic82]

The murderer was probably going through a lot of mental health problems including stress due to the fact that river valley high is basically a school for gifted students. No o levels, just study in secondary for a levels.

[@besottedbelovedlovely2560]

Now hope All school put upl sensors device at the entrance to detect any Illegal weapons bringing into the school compound .. in doing so..they ask to be suspended from school for awhile.. or. Let the law enforcer handle it. Its a serious offence.. carrying sharp object that can hurts another's un knowingly...

[@sabarikarthi4445]

Why the parent not present at the court.

[@sofiaruss8958]

Probably scared

[@kancy131]

Do not understand why school do not have security guard or discipline master to go their rounds? How it happened without any one know during the time period???? They should be in class? If missing, the teacher not aware? Sad to know that such can happened in a school! Any student on IMH (understand there is an increase on stress on students and seek help in IMH) should be closely monitored? Special care to them, know their emotions etc if they are to be keep in class with other students. I believed Parents now are worried. What Safety Management applied in schools? Realised that actions taken only when incident happened. We should be always be PREPARED & READY in any circumstances. Hopefully not to SACRIFICE LIVES , avoid such happenings. Deepest condolences to the poor victim who was killed. Can't imagine the whole scenario. No CCTV? No screams? Not blaming anyone. Just a suggestion to review existing Safety Management in School.

[@SafiAviation]

My friend from Canberra Secondary School now has anxiety.

[@gehrmansparr0w]

Hope your friend recovers

[@izammaarof4565]

As a parent myself, i never could imagine the trauma, heartbreak that the parents of the victim are goin tru now.. and also what the parents of the assailant are goin tru too.. People are goin around pointing fingers at the govt, education system, the assailant n his family.. whos actually to blame?? Things had happen.. what needs to be done is to find ways to prevent such tragedy frm ever happening again.. NOT putting blame on whoever n whatever.. Victim was 13.. wif his whole life ahead of him.. cut short. Assailant is 16.. also wif his whole life ahead of him.. but now his whole life behind bars.. like a caged animal. NO ONE wins. To the victim's parents n family.. im sorry for ur loss.. my thoughts n prayers are wif u To the assailant's parents n family.. i too am sorry for ur loss.. my thoughts n prayers are wif u also. Wrong place.. wrong time. 😔

[@Amy_xX53]

Poor parents that I felt 😭

[@spoton383]

Very sad by this. I pray for the family affected. 🙏🙏🙏

[@FatalEatsDirt]

Well,whatever it is,I give the parents of the sec 1 boy my deepest condolences

[@FatalEatsDirt]

And to the assailant,hope he is okay,if he suffered from anything that caused this

[@gtrlover4527]

@@FatalEatsDirt dont feel bad for he assailant,he deserves to be punished