Amiga 600 Therapy Part 3 - The Verdict (am I cured?)

[@RMCRetro]

Thank you for watching the series, I hope you enjoyed it! Here are the important links to the episodes and our guests today! Neil - RMC ● Episode Links Pixel Vixen: kzbin.info Mean Machine Dean: kzbin.info Mark Fixes Stuff: kzbin.info h0ffman rave in the cave set: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIepXnqYfK2rd5o Buy the h0ffman vinyl: rmcretro.store/h0ffman-the-cave-sessions-double-vinyl-record/ ● Series Links Pt1. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJW3aaujodRmfrM Pt2. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6bFY5d4m7Blhdk Pt3. kzbin.info/www/bejne/on69g36oqMeeaLc

[@bryndal36]

Awesome video series Neil. Great to see you come around to enjoying the A600 now you've brought it up to where Commodore should have built it.

[@vix_in_japan]

Delighted to be a part of this video Neil so very grateful for you chatting to me! So, let's just recline into something I feel is missed that Neil rightly feels at the end of this video. Is your 1992 Amiga meant to be your 2020 PC? No. Is it meant to be so fast you can open a JPEG in seconds, I'd argue, no. What it's meant to be is a portal to your younger self, a time of naivety , joy and just sheer fun. I honestly feel the Amiga 600 with no too much money spent on it is your portal. It's 68000 may seem slow to start with, but spend time with it and you'l be charmed. It can do so much. For me, it's being able to sit back and see it beam back to me my memories of the past, feel warm, but also critically know, it is making new memories that keep the present relevant. The Amiga 600 is in my book, the best Amiga you can own in 2020 for not a great deal of your spondulix,

[@MarkFixesStuff]

Thanks for having me over to play on the A600 Neil!

[@ludekstipal6120]

Looking forward to your second channel, "Mark Destroys Stuff". Should be extremely therapeutic...

[@MeanMachineDean]

Thanks for having me on Neil 🙏🏼 nice to see you have made friends with the A600 now. Recording Moonstone footage was fun, except it was all the violence 😁

[@digiowl9599]

Half the fun of that game was going in blind and trying out the various locations. Like the wizard's tower top right that was seemingly completely random in how the wizard would react to your visit (far too often just turning you into a toad and thus costing you a life). I think i may have faced the dragon once, and was woefully unprepared for what i was up against.

[@MeanMachineDean]

@@digiowl9599 Absolutely, it’s partly why I love it, you don’t know if what to expect. Although, the more you play; the more you learn. The dragon...yeah, never speak of it. The charred remains of my Knight is still smouldering in pixels. I’d love to see a HD remake of it 😁

[@TheTenthArt]

@25:13 - It's indeed Lambada, I think a representation of Kaoma's "Chorando Se Foi". A glimpse of the lyrics follows: Chorando se foi quem um dia só me fez chorar Chorando se foi quem um dia só me fez chorar Chorando estará ao lembrar de um amor Que um dia não soube cuidar Chorando estará ao lembrar de um amor Que um dia não soube cuidar

[@Wallygjs]

I came late to the Amiga party as when I was young could never justify the cost of an Amiga and went with the cheaper Atari 520 STFM but always wanted an Amiga. Now that I have a 500, 600 and 1200 I think the 1200 is the best as it has the advantages you identified with the 600 in having PCMCIA and an IDE port which means you can run your games from the hard drive and do away with problematic floppy disks. Also the PCMCIA makes it easy to transfer files to and from the PC which is so much better. If however you don't have a lot of room the A600 is a great space saver. Great video series Neil and looking forward to seeing the move to the new RMC headquarters!

[@eventhorizon2873]

The a1200 was an amazing machine got my from launch in 1992. Pity it was not well suported, in theory it could have had better looking games then snes, if developers would focus in dedicated a1200 hardware and features.

[@curiousottman]

This video brings a tear to my eyes. Thank you for the walk down memory lane. I think the a600 is the only amiga I did not own back in the day and I’m glad to learn about it.

[@shelby3822]

16:55 That kick drum boss is frickin adorable! Good luck with the move mate and happy holidays

[@10MARC]

At 3:08, what a charming and delightful young lady that Pixel Vixen seems to be! I look forward to checking out her content!

[@SidneyCritic]

I was just over there on her YT and there is some interesting vids about buying games in Japan.

[@brostenen]

My top 3 Amiga games contains at least 20 games. That is how awesomme I think the Amiga is.

[@bambionice]

Wow Moonstone I remember playing that with my brother. I never remembered the name but seeing that footage brought back vivid memories I haven't thought of in well over 20 years.

[@RamLaska]

21:55 The colorfulness (colourfulness? ;) of the MIggy never ceases to amaze me. This is why I literally had dreams of having an Amiga in the early 90s, since I was stuck in black-and-white land with my Mac SE (which, don't get me wrong, I have a massive amount of nostalgia for, too).

[@jantestowy123]

It's a lot like a model m space saving keyboard. Also the color composition of baige screams 90. Love it.

[@Daz5Daz]

Just started my A600 restoration project (one I picked up years ago on ebay) so this was a great series of videos to stumble across.

[@alexatkin]

As someone who came from an Atari STe to the A600, it was magic. So much less desk space, much more powerful and a HDD! I can totally understand how saddening it was for someone who was already in the ecosystem though and just wanted a next generation Amiga but didn't get one until far too late.

[@helldog3105]

I had the same problem with the LED cables with my A600. It seems to me that they made the cables too short. So I extended my cables with some extra cable and some heat shrink

[@richpickings2845]

I never get tired of that Rainbow Arts and Turrican intro......soooo nostalgic to me and many of us no doubt.

[@retrorunner79]

OMG Lost Patrol! I loved that game! Except when a grenade got slipped in my pocket while I was sleeping. Also, the music was quality. Great vid as always!

[@mattdavala3790]

This series was amazing! Good luck on your move, and I cannot wait to see what the new cave looks like.

[@gregdunlap7538]

With BestWB installed on Kickstart 3.1.4, the PCMCIA slot doesn't conflict with my 8MB RAM; I think it's the driver in BestWB that fixes that. Also, you can get a usb keyboard adapter on ebay that clips over the keyboard controller chip; this works well with a USB numeric keypad to provide the keys you need for flight simulators and such, and it doesn't interfere with the built-in keyboard, so you can get by with just the keypad plugged in when you need it.

[@kcolbinyar]

I've only owned an A600 since being 're-born' and I love the thing now. Nice dinky form factor with easy upgrades and looks amazing when retro-brited. So much smaller than my miggy 500. Great series Neil. Thanks.

[@technickuk]

I really enjoyed this series. Having never owned an Amiga myself (I had an Atari STE!), I always thought an A600 was an upgrade to the A500. A lot of my friends had an A600 tho, and loved it. Of course, we all had the Atari vs Amiga arguments, and I'm glad to see that topic got included in this video. 😁 Thanks again for making this mini series, it's making me think about recapping an Atari STE I bought a while back but have hardly used.

[@mvee5944]

The A600 is a nice looking machine, but my A500 is the machine for me. Another great video!

[@ameriscm7351]

the size of it, makes it amazing for modern usage i find!

[@linuxretrogamer]

Moonstone was my introduction to the Miggy. Played with a school friend all the time. Said it before, the A600 is the perfect console form factor for Amiga games. It's how we had ours setup under the family TV before the PS1 took its place.

[@morphshag]

I agree completely. I love the A600. small, vastly upgradable and looks cool. I have an A600 initially with a 9.5mb RAM upgrade but as soon as they became available I installed a Vampire V2. I also have an A1200 with 68030 50mhz accelerator and an A500 with a Gotek drive installed.

[@asteen75]

I spend hundred of hours with an Amiga 600.. Loved it. I remember buying a harddrive for it, but never got it to work. (The Kickstart in the machine didn't support it i guess) Great video, and im happy that you actually found out, that the A600 is a little gem.

[@TheRetroFuture]

Love that CRT!

[@RMCRetro]

Thanks Elliot

[@josephletts1093]

I had that exact SONY TV as a 16th birthday present, I'm 44 now.

[@reptilez13]

Gameboys and Amiga! Crossover episode from you both would be fun for sure.

[@necronom]

I have that same Sony TV next to me right now. I use it mostly for my C64 and Vic-20, though it has had 10s of thousands of hours of Amiga action on it. I think I got it in 88 and it still works great.

[@NirnBootMod]

@@RMCRetro What Sony Trinitron model is it?

[@dragonmac1234]

The Speedball 2 theme music was playing in my head all through Mean Machine Dean's piece about that great Bitmap Brothers game. Thanks, that's gonna be an earworm for the next couple of days :P

[@MorganJustGames]

Brilliant video. Very glad you like the A600 now. Great list of games played. I also have a Boxed Wings Box. Good luck with the move, really pleased for you Neil.

[@RobinDale50]

I would wire that 4/8mb jumper to a switch for maximum flexibility. You arent necessarily going to need the PCMCIA transfer all the time, but you could use the 8mb any time you use the machine

[@geezerdiamond]

Exactly my thoughts. A nice toggle switch around the back of the machine. Some WHDLoad games need more than the 4-ish Mb. I can’t do that as I have an original expansion, so the only way of switching to 8Mb is to swap the SIMM 😂

[@Superhotfire846]

I really enjoyed the opinion video segments in this episode. They give the show a really nostalgic feel, like I'm watching an episode of GamesMaster. Great work.

[@JJernqvist]

So happy to see some GODS gameplay, used to play it in my childhood...

[@Lordborak316]

Speedball 2, Moonstones, Wings all great. You don't have to restart Wings if you die, your new pilot can take over the journal and you can start from where you died. It may take many pilots because some idiot flies into you, but you can work your way through the war and complete using many pilots.

[@aztockdog]

Great series... actually a big fan of the A600 footprint! Nice job with the refurb and upgrades- lucky save with the CF mishap... funny I bought a little bulk lot of A600 LEDs with atleast one wire dislodged but after testing they all worked fine. I have 2 full cases / keyb with one I setup as an rPi and the other waiting for a nice recapped original mobo! Shame about the keyb membrane but lucky new replacements are aplenty! Cheers from downunder

[@Error42_]

"I can't see what I'm clicking on here" and you select Turrican. A likely story I say.

[@naviamiga]

Nice. Having a compact Amiga with vaguely modern connectors and able to play most Amiga software really works for me.

[@JMDAmigaMusic]

Plus a good deal of homebrews for ECS - Raid Over Moscow - Tiny Bobble - Bomb Jack Beer Edition - Worthy - Bridge Strike - Tanks Furry - Lumberjack Reloaded - Kiwi's Tale - Blocky Skies and more...

[@Colin_Ames]

I enjoyed the series, and am happy that you are enjoying the 600. I look forward to the upcoming videos.

[@zensibleone2295]

As a former A600 owner, I've got nothing but love for it. Completely agree with Neil and Pixel Vixen's assessments that for A500 owners it wasn't what they wanted (they were probably expecting something more like the A1200) but for newcomers it gave us the same feels as the A500 had for others. Would love the same setup that Neil has built, but I'm all about convenience, so I'm a dirty emulator 😀

[@Rocky1138]

Thanks so much for this series. I missed out on the computing scene during my youth (born in 83) as my friends and I had NES, SNES, and the like. If I were to pick up an Amiga now, it would likely be the A600 for the reasons you've described and also because I don't have the same sort of negative emotions of it from the days when it was new. Looking forward to the new cave in 2021!

[@NorthWay_no]

Retro Machine Cave. Yours for free - Merry Christmas :-) (Still not sold on the A600 though... and waiting for your AA3000+ purchase and review!)

[@iconoclasttastic9258]

Oh man the memories, I learned my trade on Deluxe Paint. Transferring those skills to Page maker and Aldus Freehand on the early Macs before moving over to Photoshop and Illustrator later on. I have a lot to thank that machine for,

[@benchandler4298]

Congratulations on making up with your old nemesis! So good to see you come full circle on this one. :D

[@gaborszabo6406]

Nice! I have a 600 with a Furia, and in file transfers and generally its seems faster than my 1200 with 030 :) i love this small machine.

[@AvengerDK]

I had the same issue with Chaos Engine on my A600. Never got to finish it :(.

[@broonage]

Love this video. I've been trying to score an A1200, but alas they are so expensive. I may have to go this route based on your 180 conclusion! 💪

[@ratspike8017]

Hi, I am lucky enough to own a 1200 with a hard drive and 030 accelerator from back in the day. Didn't realise they are getting prohibitively expensive! Tbh it is only worth grabbing a 1200 if you want to explore the rather esoteric 32-bit side of Amiga gaming, which is a kind of Aladdin's cave of unfulfilled potential. Most of the classic games are all playable on the stock 500/500+/600 machines, though. If you are only interested in the games it might be worth looking for a CD32; they are quite accessible and you tend to get the better versions of the 32-bit games... but you need to find a good controller as the native CD32 controller is awful...

[@TheTurnipKing]

17:41 I remember quite enjoying Shadow Fighter

[@CaptainDangeax]

Hi. I think an A600 would be a better setup for me than reviving the A500 from my 20th. ECS chipset, 2MB chip ram, affortable storage with SD Cards, a small occupation on my desk, and because I'm French, a scart connector on my TV set for a perfect RGB picture. Now you've got one A600 and a cure, would you show some games enhancements with ECS chipset over OCS ?

[@thesparewheel]

great to find new folk like Pixel Vixen to subsribe to great guests Neil

[@metalheadmalta]

Totally enjoyable.. can't wait to see the new cave vlog!

[@threepwoodsthrifts]

Hi Neil What WHDLoad version/revision of chaos engine did you use? That might be the issue.

[@bobbus_74]

I've never owned an Amiga (always been in the ST camp) but I've often thought of picking up a 600. I kind of like the more compact look of it.

[@ExplosiveAction]

"It's not a game changer" The F10 key is, in fact, a game changer!

[@anthonykearney608]

Great video. Saw flashback box. One of my all time fav games. But no matter how many times I buy it on diff systems. Such as pc. Switch. Etc. The megadrive is still my preferred choice to play it on

[@tomfraser924]

Glad you came around on the A600 :)

[@digiowl9599]

Yeah for the time it was perhaps not seen as enough to warrant a +100 on the name, but as you demonstrate the changes that were done made it more future proof. Also, Moonstone, now that's a game i have not thought about in ages. I recall the opening kinda freaked me back in the day but the gameplay was engrossing if flagrantly gore filled. The combat also suffered from much the same complaint as with Body Blows, in that it relied on a single button and stick movements to do everything. So you kinda had to be tactical rather than rely on reflexes.

[@RetroSegaDev]

Great series. Almost tempted to seek a 600 out ;-)

[@jonh404]

I thought he'd already moved and just done a great job making the cave look the same. 😂, Now I'm really looking forward to seeing the new cave. I started with an Amiga 2000, I bought my little sisters an Amiga 600 at a Commodore Amiga show in Melbourne, it must have been around 1993 for I think $699 AU... For a 14 and 10 year old girls they loved it, especially James Pond. I eventually moved to an Amiga 4000/030 later updated with a Cyberstorm accelerator with the 060/PPC 604E? (I 🤔 think and which cost more than the Amiga 4000), a Cybervision 64 graphic card...... AAAAAAND, embarrassingly a genuine EMPLANT card that cost $999 AU and wasn't even as good as SHAPESHIFTER 😂... And all I did was play games... I gave it all to a friend who never appreciated it, but I'd trade it all in to be back in 1984 with my first computer... My beloved Amstrad CPC 464 with GREEN SCREEN when everything was new and EXCITING.... Who doesn't miss those days.

[@The_Original_Hawkez]

I think it is a great looking little computer. I have one I got a few years ago. I had an A1200 when they came out, but sold it and switched to PC. I actually really like it.

[@Frostie3672]

First amiga I ever brought was the A600, gave it to my brother when I upgraded to the A1200 a few years later.

[@poshpaul55]

Well done watch all your Amiga 600 Therapy video's thoroughly enjoyed watching 10/10 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@GameOver556]

Love the formfactor on A600. Really a beautyfull little machine. And still looks modern even today.

[@JakeBirkett]

I'm pretty sure I've had the Chaos Engine crash on me before though it was a "naughty" version if you catch my drift. Perhaps it was just an unstable game.

[@AmigaCammy]

The game freezes seem like what would happen if I had a TCP/IP stack running in the background. Do you have Roadshow or something running in Workbench?

[@ThePsychoticWombat]

I have nothing but fond memories of the Amiga 600, might be my favorite computer of all time, then again I grew up sort of poor in the countryside and wasn't that up to speed with the latest and greatest. This was in the late 90s and my only computing experience was with used old computers from yard sales and the like.

[@charlesjmouse]

A switch on that 4/8meg card will give you the best of both worlds. With a little work you could even set up a key combination to do the job.

[@RMCRetro]

I really like this idea, definitely a future tweak

[@fattomandeibu]

The PCMCIA socket and RAM over 4mb issue exists on the A1200, too. When I installed Doom, I first had to remove the fast RAM to use my CD-drive(basically a discman plugged into a SCSI adapter, which was then plugged into a Squirrel in the PCMCIA), copy the .wad into the Doom directory, turn off the machine, put the fast RAM back in, remove the CD-ROM then boot the machine to play Doom. Annoying part was, Doom was the only game I had that needed more than 4mb fast RAM, so I ended up just leaving the 4mb SIMM in unless I specifically was playing Doom, as a lot of my software and games were on CD.

[@ScandalUK]

I have one of these in the shed - same upgrades but I haven’t recapped it. Seems like a sensible course of action, there goes my weekend…

[@Petertronic]

Good luck in the new Cave!

[@cfriedel123]

Another great episode. I'm really surprised that you are getting movement in the IDE connector as those are usually pretty stiff. Glad you didn't end up having a serious issue as a result.

[@mattb154]

I've an A600 with a CompactFlash adapter, which I use with an actual CF card and, for what it's worth, boot times are a lot faster on my setup. It might be interesting to see how long it takes to get to the boot menu (both mouse buttons depressed during startup) vs. how long it takes to get to Workbench after that.

[@stevedowd612]

I have two that need some love maintain ace wise. Loved your video and how to best get at the two caps that hide behind the keyboard connector. :)

[@_wasp______4450]

Speedball 2.. yes!! just refreshed memories.. think it was the game i played the most

[@them8434]

Great video. Nice to see mark fixes stuff on or is that Jürgen klopp fixes stuff?

[@MarkFixesStuff]

Jurgen Flopp...

[@dhudzina]

Plot twist: The Cave is moving in with Ashens and Nostalgia Nerd

[@RMCRetro]

Norfolk is a loooooong way from here sadly, that would be cool

[@jamescameron149]

Wings was\is a quality game. We loved it. Fortunately it's in my GOG collection ( obviously ) Might need to dig this one out...

[@johnknight9150]

I wish I'd seen that PCMCIA->SD usage a couple of weeks ago, as I would have mentioned it in an article I just wrote! As someone who doesn't actually own an Amiga, but has always wanted one, that PCMCIA slot is now too hard to ignore. It may not have been a good idea at the time, but it was the perfect expansion for the future of the machine. You may not like it, but I'd actually buy a 600 these days over other models!

[@Monkey_SK]

I took my boxed A600 out to have a look and see if it was working three or four years ago now and it seemed to work fine. But Neil's recapping advice has got me worried. As I've not got the RMC recapping skills are there and businesses that do this sort of work?

[@DavePoo]

I have 2 which i have recapped and they did both worked fine before the recap. So the caps "can" last this long (~30 years) and still work, but they are well past their expected life at this point. If they do start the fail they will leak electrolyte and that can corrode the board, so at this point in time (2020) it's better to replace them even if the Amiga is working perfectly. Also to note is that depending on what caps fail, you might not notice, so some only drive the RF modulator, some are only for the sound etc So a quick boot test might not even be good enough to tell you that they haven't failed and are leaking. I'm in the UK and they are places that will recap for you for less than the cost of the equipment you might need to do it yourself. If you only have 1 Amiga and you don't have the tools needed to do it yourself then it is the cheaper than buying the equipment.

[@Wildernessoutside]

Moonstone was a pig of a game ,my top three are syndicate ,lure of the temptress ,and microprose formula 1 and a bonus stunt car racer ,but also have major love for wings of fury ,wings and b17

[@Textra1]

I love my Amiga 600s. I don't understand the hate. Okay, no numpad. So what. If you are using production apps requiring it, you should be using a 2000 or better anyway. 1MB chip, 2.0 WB, IDE bus, PCMCIA slot. It's a little beast.

[@a120068020]

My current A600 is almost identically upgraded. Upgraded enough to make it useful without all the complications of a bigger upgrade such as my amiga600.net project many years ago. Worst thing about the A600 is how the case clips break so easily. I have fitted enhanced ones to my machine now to make it more robust. Best thing is the form factor. Great backpack machine for visiting demoparties (imagine GOING to a demo party in the current global situation) when you are working on a project that doesn't require AGA.

[@GazzJ82]

X-Bench is also a nice whdload game launcher. I use it on my Checkmate A1200. The nicest thing is by pressing the help key it will pick a random game out of my entire library of whdload's. Sometimes you find a bit of a hidden gem this way. You can also do the same with all the whdloaded demos.

[@samuelschwager]

"it's not a game changer" he said while showing the game change screen ;) See what you did there.

[@Corrus]

Good luck with the move, Neil!

[@RobA500]

At the end of the day it’s still an Amiga, so that alone makes it great, superb series 👍

[@EsotericArctos]

I remember playing Bubble Bobble on the Amstrad CPC464. I use to love it :)

[@youdontneedtoseehisidentif4939]

You may already know this, but there was an enhanced remake of _Bubble Bobble_ for the CPC developed by fans: cngsoft.no-ip.org/bb4cpc.htm (the game itself can be downloaded from the page at CPC-Power linked to from the bottom of that page)

[@10p6]

Nice informative video. Trying to buy an affordable A600 in the USA is like buying gold bullion. Hmmm

[@alexatkin]

Unless you're completely set on a fully retro setup, at this point its far better to build a MiSTer with a DE-10 Nano. You get all your retro computing in one tiny box including good CRT and HDMI support.

[@mrbagitos]

That’s a great CRT. We had that same Sony set as the second tv downstairs back in the day at my parents. My Dad wouldn’t let me play games on it though. I had to make do with a white Ferguson tv with 8 channels on the side & no remote. Occasionally I had to give it a bash Onslo style to get the picture straight. It had character, I think that’s what you call it.

[@systemchris]

The Lambada music just hit me!

[@joebroke76]

Your doing great, keep up the wonderful work!

[@brrebrresen1367]

the Amiga 600, a far more convenient machine than the A500... but at what cost? an A500 can still be picked up for 50£ (and less if lucky) but with no extra's though and mostly more brown than tobacco... while an working A600 is close to if not higher than A1200. here in Norway an working A600 will set you back a minimum 200£ if your lucky to find one for sale... there is also more available hardware for the A500 though some might be equally as expensive as all other Amiga systems. but that PCMCIA support and no need for the 520 though... vs 150£ more in upgrades on an A500, or going right for an A1200...

[@ErraticPT]

Sold hundreds of A600 when I worked in retail, however most people seemed to prefer the A500+ when available and later the A1200 (which was my favourite).

[@eventhorizon2873]

Who remembers the "on the ball" football manager? Spend evenings and night with friends on this game i liked the a1200 version wich had more colors. Also alien breed 3 was a great experience. My personal favorites. Also made alot of hardcore house music with Octamed.

[@nosferadu]

Happy holidays, Neil! Hope the move goes smoothly and looking forward to that vlog:)

[@Hellwyck]

Body Blows was trying to be an Amiga version of SNK's Art Of Fighting .

[@RobGMun]

I would like to see you tackle a A1200 and compare it to the A500 & A600 and would it be a better option

[@ChrisGripeos]

RMC, I really love your KZbin channel! Going through the history of every classic kit while rebuilding it, is a fantastic idea. I was wondering if that TRS-80 Model 100 you have on your shelf has been already rebuild? And if not, are you planning on doing an episode on it? That kit was *the one* computer I dreamed of having when I was a kid, but I could never afford it, at the time. I would love it if you did an episode on it!

[@RMCRetro]

Thank you, the amazing thing about that TRS 80 100 is that I found it in a bin...and it's really one of the machines that encouraged me to make the channel....just because I found it. I haven't actually covered it on the channel though so it really does deserve to have an episode and for me to share its story. Great idea, thank you Chris

[@repaterion3611]

8 GIGS!!! That's heracy! Mine CF(Compact Flash) is 512MB. As mentioned the PCMCIA are by far the best "upgrade" for both the A600 and A1200. To bad my A1200 has a really strange behavior, it freezes randomly both during boot(as soon as the drives starts reading, both HDD and DF0) the disc going in always works. and in Workbench/games without notice. And it happens within 5min to 5 week, yes it has been recaped.

[@infesticon]

The thing you've gotta remember with WHDload is it's a bit like playing pirated games, Like removing the protection, Hacking a game to install to harddrive can make strange stuff happen. Wizkid lacks most of the sound effects for exsample.