The Jackie Chan Computer | Chinese Edutainment

[@serpentza]

So happy to see you put it through its paces! Stay Awesome mate!

[@RetroBoxRoom]

So when are you coming over to the UK to find the best "westernized Chinese restaurant"? Maybe Neil can show you a local one to him? Stay Awesome!

[@deathshaker0026]

Winston and Naomi are AWESOME! :)

[@mouselivinglarge4069]

Thanks for sending me, I will check it out more later..

[@TilmanBaumann]

OMG, seeing Winston weep in tears of frustration in a "The Real China" all you can eat would be worth it.

[@BothHands1]

made for an interesting video, ty

[@RMCRetro]

If SerpentZA sent you then welcome! Please take a moment to subscribe. Thanks for watching! A special thank you to Winston ( kzbin.info ) and Naomi ( kzbin.info/door/h_ugKacslKhsGGdXP0cRRA ) who feature in the video. Take a moment to check their channels out and say hi from The Cave! This won't be the last you see of Jackie, he now goes on the list of machines for live streaming which will commence in June. As always please share your thoughts, comments and experiences below it's great to hear from you. Neil - RMC

[@Naomi-Wu]

Our pleasure!😊

[@RMCRetro]

SerpentZA sent me. Wait what?

[@ZacharyBittner]

Wtf is serpentza of adv doing on here O.o

[@BothHands1]

me too

[@BothHands1]

His vid only came out today how'd he send you 4 months ago? 😵🤯

[@Pelleministeri]

I came here from his channel just now, wow

[@evie8143]

Same here!

[@chinafox1949]

My Chinese wife always calls Super Mario, Super Mary and I thought she was making a translation mistake but there it is. She was playing Super Mary! Stay Awesome Winston!

[@ModestVejar]

China Fox this explains the game being called super Mary from all those 128-in-1 cartridges.

[@doodlestrudel1991]

Y'know I'd never thought I'd say this for a Famiclone but.... I so want something like this nowadays: A Famicom-System Computer is so mind-boggling yet so clever and well made and having it's system being on the famicom itself is just so... I straight up want this over the Family Basic, I'm sorry lol

[@laowhy86]

Fantastic collab, Neil. Nice stuff, subscribed and love the channel. Sup Winston!?

[@RMCRetro]

C-Milk! Thanks so much. I've been enjoying your motorbike escapades recently with Winston. Great stuff

[@BothHands1]

[@ConstantThrowing]

laowhy himself!

[@presidentofkekistan2690]

I'll sub here and with Naomi cause I love what you and Serpentza do, keep up the great work guys

[@jaideesasaki]

Hello there C-Milk.

[@gavinc74]

Best entrance I've seen on a KZbin video so far 🤙

[@orangehatmusic225]

You are obviously new to YT.

[@hingeslevers]

I wowed and clapped!

[@PEK-97]

I am Chinese and I live in 天津. My parents have used them before. It is entirely compatible with NES cartridges! They say it is rather a NES clone than a computer. Those "educational computers" are much cheaper that the real NES back then and you can run visually every NES cartridges on it, and that's why it went really popular. Just a technical point, this computer's CPU is a total clone of the MOS 6502 processor on the NES, however they added an extra I/O chip for the keyboard. (Pls pin me)

[@ОнуфрийНечепуренко]

Back in the 90s and early 2000s these Chinese computers were very popular in Russia, as well as other NES clones from Taiwan. Russians called them "Subor".

[@ertuncdelikaya8237]

shuo feng Famicom cartridges, not NES cartridges. Those two have different numbers of pins.

[@MetalSStar196]

@@ertuncdelikaya8237 That would have to suck for anyone trying to insert a NES cartridge into a shuo feng Famicom shoe.

[@hakureicirno6059]

It's not a total clone. These famiclones usually use UMC6576 or similar NES-On-Chip as their kernel rather than separate chips. There are lots special quirks and differents in it compared to a normal Famicom or NES. If you try to run some very complex games that are tailored to Famicom/NES circuit setup e.g. BattleToads, it won't work. On the other hand, complex games tailored for such NOAC won't work on Famicom/NES, especially unlicensed (but actually quite polished) games by Waixing (外星科技) or Jncota （晶科泰）.

[@asmc1492]

Nes is a computer because a console is a computer

[@volocat]

Let me throw in some trivia. Subor was actually founded by Duan Yongping - a very enterprising fellow. Back than foreign gaming devices were banned in China, so he actually personally reverse engineered a Famicom and made it play jNTSC games in PAL (that's why here are vertical bands on the screen and the timing is off). He arranged mass production of a "homegrown" gaming device, effectively coining the standard of an awful famiclone as we know it. He mass produced the bloody thing until the late 90s, when he got fed up by it, sold the company and started a DVD-player manufacturer known as BBK. In mid to late 2000s effectively every second DVD-player in the world was BBK (one way or another)... And then he got fed up again! He founded a mobile phone manufacturer known as OPPO and One Plus. His company is bigger than Apple in Asia and Duan Yongping one of the most rich Chinese... Well one of the richest people in the world! I wonder, what shall he do, when he gets bored with mobile phones? PS. I have one of those Subor keyboard contraptions (the Russian version), as I collect weird computers. Sadly no educational cartridges. Perhaps somebody would ship me one of those? I'll pay for the delivery.

[@andrewsmyname]

SerpantZA sent me. Not sure how I missed this back in May but really enjoyed this video! Great collab! :)

[@zacotb]

I always love it when two of my fav channels collab. Be it Techmoan and LGR or Serpentza and RMC. Awesome!

[@alritedave]

Naomi Wu is smoking hot.

[@Naomi-Wu]

Thanks!

[@alritedave]

Naomi 'SexyCyborg' Wu Lol, you're welcome.

[@SPARKY832010]

Mattias Forelli for real

[@Donnaya137]

Yes, nice fishnet too

[@dunxy]

Correct

[@willierants5880]

Winston sent me over to check this out. [edit] And very glad I did! Great job!

[@chogno98]

Thank you SerpentZA for sending me here. Never really was into gaming but this was pretty.... educational.

[@deano1959]

Came here from Serpentza Channel! - You got a new subscriber.

[@RetroBoxRoom]

LOL - all because I spotted one of your videos listed on one of +serpentza 's videos! :) Collab's are a great thing! Stay Awesome everyone!

[@RMCRetro]

Hehe yes indeed, you started that snowball rolling - thank you

[@simonhall8979]

Namomi Hong Kong

[@CandisClassicGameShrine]

Oh shit! SerpentZA! I was just watching a video of him shipping a phone through these guys lol I had to check to make sure I was on the right channel lol Great video! I love seeing these obscure consoles/computers you find around China and other Asian countries.

[@Byokugen]

First i noticed, ehem Naomi..but that entrance Neil, that was flawless 10/10 had to rewatch 4 times ^^

[@fkthewhat]

Byokugen agreed that entrance is glorious

[@WiggysanWiggysan]

Only 4 ? LOL

[@WrestlingWithGaming]

Clearly, the stunt world is your true calling! Great, great, episode. It's hard to come across a video on something that most of us haven't heard of, let alone to have it covered so well. Your channel is criminally under subbed.

[@senchaholic]

SerpentZA sent me. Nice video. I'm lucky I didn't grow up with that computer.

[@EpicTyphlosionTV]

What video?

[@quakerz1228]

That intro of the video introduced me to Naomi, love her content, thanks for that!

[@dmnsonic]

Here in Brazil we had a similar clone called Magic Computer by Dynavision circa 1995 and had similar functions like Basic and NES compatibility.

[@loganjorgensen]

Nice to see another video on this, caught Winston's a while back. I thought the internet would be all over that Jackie Chan computer the first time I saw a picture of it but not many video features. I guess it's rarity and difficulty tracking down it's history proved challenging, people would get one but then just speculate about it heh.

[@iaincowell9747]

First video of your's i've seen. Only clicked on it because i'm a huge Jackie Chan nerd. Really surprised to see Winston aka serpentza who's channel i've been watching for a few months in this.

[@RMCRetro]

That's great thanks for taking the time to watch

[@MexieMex]

Big fan of Winston (and his channels) and Naomi (and her channel), nice team up ;^>

[@善膜师]

I think you don't know that nintendo has iQue (China) Ltd., to sell their products since N64 and SONY sell PS2 in China officially too.But we gamers tend to buy the consoles through HK and japan ,because many games are region locked

[@ralph2115]

I also got sent here by Winston :D! I think I'll enjoy your content a lot, nice review man.

[@RMCRetro]

Thank you, pull up a seat and enjoy!

[@yuzexu6338]

As a guy born in and spend 18 years in China, here are a few facts I want to mention in addition to the video: In theory, game consoles are banned until 2014, but this doesn't stop us kids from playing games on all different game consoles. there are two ways of getting game consoles. First way is called “水货”, and can be translated to parallel import or smuggle, and sources can be from Japan, North america, HK and Europe, with minor price difference in final sale price. The other way is to re-purpose game consoles as other devices, for example, iQue is a partner and redistributor of Nintendo in mainland China, they call their iQue DS as “双屏多媒体互动系统” or "dual-screen multimedia interactive system" instead of calling them game console, therefore they can be sold on market. There are stores selling game consoles and games, for example, my hometown (a medium sized city) used to have 4-5 stores in downtown. When I was in middle and high school, I save money for a whole year to buy my game console, stores will crack the console for you (PSP) or sell you cracked R4 cartridge along with DS so I can basically play for free, and I pay a small fee (~1 USD) to get my memory card filled in store with whatever game I want. For TV consoles such as PS3, before crack, we usually rent games from the store by paying a deposit then rental fee, or trade in played games for another title. Before I came to Canada, I owned a Gameboy color, GBA, DS, DSi XL, PSP1000, PSP3000, and Wii, PS2, PS3, and by parents bought me NES clone, sega genesis, and a playstation 1 when I was young. As for 5:26, for Chinese gamer right now, buying games in store actually quiet an outdated way of getting new titles, and people usually shop games online since its often cheaper. Video game stores is almost a dying industry in China because less and less people buy in actual stores, therefore I can understand why the store keep a low inventory on their shelf.

[@GradyGillis]

SerpentZA sent me! Neat bit of computer history. I went the Atari route initially, with the 800 and the 130XE, then on to the IBM PC series. PC XT to 386 SX 20 and beyond.

[@quite1enough]

as a kid in 90s Russia I can confirm, I got my Subor back in late 1996 unfortunately the controllers plugs was really fragile, pins in ports was a bit fragile as well due to the technical complexity we didn't have some major releases from Nintendo, like Super Mario Bros 2 (Doku doku panic) and Super Mario Bros 3 etc, we missed all major releases that required some additional chips in cartridges

[@brootalbap]

Sent here by winston. Really cool video and interesting story!

[@CheekyCherry]

Amazing, I had no idea this computer even existed! SerpentZA pointed me here, and I'm glad he did 👌🌟👾🍄

[@RMCRetro]

Thanks for visiting from his Patreon page, great to have you here

[@pitmatix1457]

Serpentza and RetroManCave. Most unexpected crossover of two channels I watch EVER! Next week China Uncensored and Kim Justice? :-D

[@RMCRetro]

Haha why the hell not! 😂

[@D3lor34n]

Interesting and enjoyable video(s), subscribed. Sorry for the harsh comment previously, sound quality indeed improved. Already deleted it before i saw that you replied to it. Keep up the interesting topics and have fun while doing it, cheers.

[@RMCRetro]

No worries I'm glad you stuck around 👍

[@billoverson2263]

Very enjoyable video - gotta love the power of the mighty 6502! oh and, SerpentZA sent me from his Patreon page.

[@RMCRetro]

Welcome, thanks for taking a look I'm glad you enjoyed it

[@atv-com]

It's a Jackie Chaniclone!

[@Leafbinder]

SerpentZA sent me!!! Man those boots shes wearing crack me up. Stay Awesome RetroMan

[@RMCRetro]

Stay awesome!

[@Rocky1138]

Long time subscriber myself, but SerpentZA recommended this video :)

[@chriswillans6776]

I t was only by chance I saw Winston and Naomi send this in a video, and then this showed up on my page. A great follow- up and very informative take on "educational" accessories in China.

[@osamaroum]

in the 90s in my country "algeria" we used to have "famiclones" or "nesclones" ,also we had an arabic version of that keyboard that came with two cartridge , one educational and the other a gaming cartridge full of nes games bootlegs . i remeber the prices were expensive ! anyway good video RetroManCave as usual .

[@Sheepy007]

8:47 That's exactly how I greet my colleagues every day : "Hello, how are you? It's a good morning. NOW SIT DOWN!"

[@SumeaBizarro]

"Now you know I do not like to use the sit down gun but this morning we do not have time mucking about."

[@chinosts]

Another awesome video.. thanks RMC! Already looking forward to the next...

[@osgrov]

Never seen one of those before, hah! Cool. :) Really liking these "international" videos you've done. There's obviously loads of obscure stuff we westerners have no idea even existed. Here's hoping you find more of that stuff in the future - cheers!

[@whatdamath]

it's a me! Suuuuper Mao-rio

[@raquetdude]

For those that don't know Naomi is one of the most prominent female tech youtubers out there. She makes almost all of her costumes and gear herself. In the past she has also been given a lot of hate for her appearance and looks sadly.

[@tomservo5007]

The hate comes from the fact she is not telling the whole story. You really think she learned English from online forums? Her lack of Chinese forum postings isn't suspicious to you? There is also a questionable engineering team behind the scenes. The hate isn't from her looks (which by the way throws native Chinese views on modesty out the window -- odd thing to do for a native female to do in China) -- I don't hate her , but don't misrepresent the controversy.

[@mjouwbuis]

@@tomservo5007 From what you write, I don't see anything off far enouh to raise suspicion. Instead of implying a whole lot, why not tell the story you seem so keen on telling.

[@ian_b]

@@tomservo5007 God forbid that anyone should not be gladly chained by history. For shame.

[@pelgervampireduck]

hate for her appearance? watching this video I was like "wow, that girl is super hot!!!, she's very beautiful!!" nothing wrong with her appearance!.

[@Nukle0n]

@@tomservo5007 "Native Chinese views". All the native Chinese views were destroyed and purged during the cultural revolution. Now Naomi is in jail, she just vanished from social media after speaking up on safety on chat apps, who knows if we'll ever see her again.

[@bungieborris9111]

>fishnet body suit HOLY HELL THATS BANGIN

[@BiohazardEXTREME]

I grew up in Ukraine, and yes, I remember my Subor very fondly. If it wasn't for that system, I wouldn't have had my first exposure to Super Mario Bros, Contra, Castlevania, Double Dragon, and so many other franchises that I still consider near and dear. My model was designed to look virtually identical to the Famicom, slightly different from the one at the end of this video. Mine didn't have controller ports in the front, only a single port for the light gun.

[@phazonlord0098]

Now that's what I call an entrance! Great job as always Neil

[@suicidalbanananana]

Naomi! please continue your own channel!!

[@mercurial1919]

SperpentZA sent me here :) Nice channel! Stay awesome!

[@mickmickymick6927]

9:11 He says 'demand that they sit down', but actually in China, if someone says 'sit down' like that, it actually means what we would say as 'have a seat', i.e. someone comes into your home you say 'hello, good morning, please, have a seat', that's why it's all done in that order like that.

[@electronash]

I used to love playing "Super Mary" back when... wait, what?

[@kabedondon]

This kind of reminds me of the Magnavox Odyssey 2 (the only gaming console I have ever owned.) As a former English Teacher in China for a few years, I always appreciate the way clever Chinese people innovate to sneak around draconian PRC laws.

[@5ch3nk]

My jaw is stuck in the open position right now. I clicked for the Jackie Chan computer, but I don't think anything can top Naomi.

[@gianmarcogg03]

In Russia there was a big famiclone company called Steepler that made the Dendy famiclone series very famous in the country.

[@tyler1820]

funny thing about the scale at 10:00 is that is it's displayed as C major but it's actually minor, and not only that, but it's the D minor scale (dorian) gotta love Chinese quality control hahaha

[@hikikomori69]

I was 90% certain I also follow the person SerpentZA sent this to. I was right. GG

[@jecelassumpcaojr890]

In 2008 an MIT student saw a machine like that being sold in India for just $12 and decided to build a movement around it as an alternative to the $100 laptop (OLPC - One Laptop Per Child) also from MIT. www.wired.com/2009/03/12-computers-ba/ We also had these computers in Brazil, though they were closer to $100.

[@gogades]

So Neil - how many takes did it take to perform the intro stunt ?

[@RMCRetro]

First time of course...I'm a trained professional. Don't try this at home ;)

[@ShishakliAus]

I notice that part of the video alreadyhas vhs distortion based on his many times it's been rewound and replayed 😆

[@RetroWorkshop]

Awesome. The Cave’s gone global. I thought they’d sent you a PC keyboard like Nostalgia Nerd’s “Star Trek” keyboard. Amazed to see it was infact an NES type system.

[@RMCRetro]

That Star Trek episode was fun. There's also a "486" model Subor which... is the same machine. They just thought using "486" might sell a few more

[@mickmickymick6927]

These episodes on other country's computing history are great. Can't wait for the one on Italy.

[@ConstantThrowing]

Winston and Naomi are legends.

[@Edman_79]

That table jump got me completely unprepared :D

[@QuaaludeCharlie]

Never Saw This , although I can Imagine there are More Celebrity branded Computers Still Out there to Curate , Thank You , Liked and Shared :) QC

[@randywatson8347]

What a cool crossover! Would have never guessed! That's a nice nes clone.

[@jorgezarco9269]

We can thank Acorn for the advanced ARM Cortex microprocessors.

[@BandanazX]

I love it when unrelated KZbinrs collaborate. STAY AWESOME!

[@miguelque9102]

No one bought these to "learn". As for the game cartridges, well...most were your typical multi-in-1 carts.

[@GothfadeR]

8:33 The "Song of the Volga Boatmen" (known in Russian as "Эй, ухнем!" ). 😆

[@o0julek0o]

Came for Winston, stayed for the video.

[@drewgehringer7813]

I've seen pictures of a later version of this with a 3.5" floppy drive built in, so if this version doesn't have any cassette or external floppy ports that was remedies fairly quick.

[@kitsura]

Came here from SerpentZA patreon page

[@jorgezarco9269]

Chan's best movies are Drunken Master(1978), Project A(1983) and Police Story(1985). Police Story II(1988) is underrated. He played a "tough guy" in The Foreigner(2016).

[@DrTubeman]

Serps & Nomi left a bite of a trail, leading me here, I like your work Retro, a kool place to hang for a look see. Checked in, think I'll be staying for a bit.

[@Toleich]

Team SerpentZA, checking in.

[@cpnnpr]

Ha! incredible entry! Hope you jump over the table in all your episodes. Cheers!

[@RMCRetro]

Haha thanks!

[@thebeststooge]

Damn, so many of the people I love to watch popping up on one episode? Mind blown.

[@victorvarsanyi6702]

It’s interesting that many games for Android are released first in China, at least the mmorpgs I’ve played recently were. The opposite of consoles.

[@namakudamono]

Another great video Neil, many thanks! “Sit down, you will enjoy this console!”

[@mhans79]

What a great collaboration! Very interesting system. Keep the great videos coming!

[@colombianguy8194]

Great video as always!. As an 90's kid in a small city in Colombia, my first game console was an NES clone, the real thing was very expensive, and the clones had an advantage: built in games! My console had 20 games, others even have hundreds of games (some hacked versions of the same games was usual to find in those). As 'educational' computers, my first one was a real thing: a 166MHz Pentium MMX in 1998, good times...

[@etaxalo]

This keyboard console was half of my childhood! I still have the cartridge that came with it and about 20(something) other cartridges laying around at my parents place. It was a weekly ritual where me and my brother would go down to the marked every Saturday and exchange one cartridge each for a new one. Edit: Oh and for those of you wondering my cartridges only contain one chip under a blip of black goo, not so fancy as the one shown here.

[@PaulMielcarz]

In that entrance you moved like Solid Snake! You truly reminded me of Jackie Chan. :)

[@RMCRetro]

!

[@MarkFixesStuff]

Saw the slot. Yelled "famiclone". Watched it all. Great video.

[@SianaGearz]

Nobody sent me, i've been here all along.

[@izzieb]

Siana Gearz Me too. Hiding in the darkness. Biding my time.

[@ivangohome]

SerpentZA has nothn to do with it :)

[@denniswhite166]

Andrew Ch - SerpentZA sent me.

[@IntradeMotors]

Plazenta sent me 😋

[@robertosswald5896]

I remember watching Winston's video back when he made it. Didn't know that it was you to whom he was sending the package.

[@furcipus]

SerpentZA sent me!

[@RMCRetro]

Thank you for visiting and please do take a moment to subscribe

[@jetgold]

Great video sir, some of the retro stuff is fun, and double fun when you have a retro machine from China . Best of luck on your channel sir.

[@sbfarmer8]

nice to see Wu again.

[@Naomi-Wu]

☺️

[@cyanidetrece]

It's always nice to see Naomi.

[@CFalcon030]

I am pretty sure that if I look hard enough in some of the oldest toy stores here, I could find some of them (without the celebrity endorsement though). These things were widely available but the main issue was that -as you pointed out- the system didn't seem to have a way to save, so it was pretty useless as a computer. Nice video. Now I want to find out if it can save data :D

[@robspunk]

I had an Xbox in China. They crack them and gave me a hard drive with around 100 preloaded games for about 25 USD.

[@amirpourghoureiyan1637]

The Super Mario theme was running a bit slow due to the game being a 60hz version for the Famicom to run on the 110v 60hz Japanese mains. The UK mains provides only 50hz, hence the slowdown

[@RMCRetro]

Interesting, although China is a PAL region which is a 50hz signal so I'd expect it to run the same as the UK game. I'll check it out with a side by side when my NES is cleaned up

[@amirpourghoureiyan1637]

Not many early PAL Nintendo and SEGA games were properly ported to work on 50hz, e.g Sonic 1 on the MegaDrive. If you ran the US ROM of Super Mario on that NES RetroPi I think it would demonstrate the difference better.

[@iykiyki]

Though nes games has PAL versions, but most of the pirate game cartridges in China are copied from Japanese or American version, they are not intended to port to 50hz PAL machines, that's why it sounds slower.

[@Charlie-Cat.]

WOW! Another informative and highly educational video by you Neil..I have to admit again, you caught me with another video I had no idea with any knowledge of a Jackie Chan computer. Looks impressive for collecting purposes for sure. I like it. 8^) Well done again kind sir. Really outstanding to say the least. 8^) Anthony..

[@PodcastOGRU]

Very well-made video. In the mid 90s there was a flood of Subor console/education PCs in Russia in various form-factors and I always assumed the name was something local since the programs were in Russian, but turns out it was a Chinese company.

[@BarackBananabama]

How nice is it that she sends it to the U.K. so you guys there could learn to speak English with help from Jackie Chen!

[@SonicMrSumo]

Love the chip tune Ash rendition at the end!

[@Chu3505]

Wow,Contra,Super Mario and Galicia are greats Nintendo games that brings back a lot memories in the 90”and the late 80” for me.

[@madson-web]

In Brazil we had one called "Magic Computer" from Dynacom. It was around the same time the one in this episode. Maybe it was some kind of rebranding, not sure. But is really similar. Edit: ok I checked it out and it was product rebranding from a tawanese company.

[@MrSEA-ok2ll]

I managed to get my first 8 bit Atari 600xl with a data cassette for school...I could have grabbed a C64 with a disk drive instead, but was an Atari fan...oh, brand loyalty. The only game I owned for months was a cassette copy of Frogger I paid $5 Canadian for. I did later upgrade to an 800xl, with disk drive and Atari printer while running Atari Writer Plus, but for the most part, it was a very fun games machine. I would have to admit that the first productive machine was my Atari STFM running the Mac Emulator on Atari's monochrome display...WYSIWYG was decent, but limited on a dot Matrix printer. I would have to admit though, that before PC, my Amiga 1200 with multisync display...another great video.

[@FaSMaN]

Two of my favorite KZbinrs collabing , I must admit I would have never thought to see Retro Man cave collabing with SerpantZA two completely different KZbinrs XD

[@RMCRetro]

Maybe one day you'll see me on a motorbike in China on one of his videos :p . I just need to learn how to ride a motorbike. And go to China.

[@FaSMaN]

RetroManCave that would be awesome :) PS in South Africa(where I am) we never really had the official Nintendo systems only a extremely limited number of of grey imports , what thrived here was the famiclones , nick named "TV games" mostly it was the "golden China" clones , I wouldn't mind sending you one but it will be no different to any other famiclone you can get there so I don't know if it will be any value to you :)

[@nikitapavlov1943]

Actualy,in the 1990-2000 a thing called Subor(Сюбор in russian) did exist,as well as the other clone called Liko BBG-1.They both looked kinda similar to the one in the video. To be honest,the whole russian/chinese Nintendo Famicom cloning industry was booming at the time,moreover in is possible to find some still being produced under the same labeling on in the same formfactor,which they have used then.Thanks for your videos RetroManCave! P.S. Those consoles are easily obtainable and cheap nowadays,so it could be a cool video to overview some of the knock-off examples :)