"Roach Palace" Linux PC Overview

[@vwestlife]

Looks like a refrigerator.

[@brig.4398]

I just watched some videos done by a professional teacher, but somehow Bill is both educational and fun to watch. thx Bill for the Great videos.

[@flaturiah]

I wish my computer was a _real_ computer... Time to go buy a floppy drive.

[@adwaitagnome]

Surprisingly, SATA floppy drives exist...

[@adwaitagnome]

***** yup, why companies are wasting money doing this? idk.

[@Blendedasian]

Scorpian Code you can get a ZIP drive or a Flash Disk Drive (the rectangular giant one that looked like pcmcia cards)

[@OtnerNaut]

No they don't.

[@EssenceofPureFlavor]

I would understand this if you could still buy floppy disks, but since you can't, unless you have a supply of them already, it's just a waste. Modern UEFI utilities can interact with USB sticks anyway.

[@brandonupchurch7628]

Heat pipes are not oil filled, they usually contain water under a low pressure, the heat generated by the cpu heats up the water then it boils then it condenses on the end of the heat pipe where the cooling fins are then there is usually a coating on the walls of the heat pipe that causes the water to wick back towards the heat source regardless of orientation.

[@morgan3814]

bill you know good and well they are the single best method for cable management. not everyone wants to have the cables for there machines criss-crossing in front of the motherboard and zip ties are the best way to fix that problem.

[@Honthetube]

You can still get CPU coolers with under motherboard mounting brackets from any good cpu cooler manufacture but be prepaid to pay a moderate asking price, i have a sizeble zalman fin-tastic monster in my comp that manages to keep the processor comfortably toasty under a load. I've had to stand the case on it's side to make room for other stuff occasionly, i was a little wary of doing so, but it does not seamed to have caused any trouble or damaged the motherboard.

[@AmEv7fam]

Definitely a lot of improvement needed I was in an IRC the other day, trying to get help with some extremely advanced stuff. Unfortunately, the guys there were of the attitude of "you're new HERE, so you must be new EVERYWHERE about this."

[@chanthetechman]

This is a Chan approved case. Love it and plenty of drive bays. They don’t make many cases with drive bays now a days.

[@zorilla0]

I'm still using the Antec P180 I bought in January 2006 and love it. I've long since replaced those obnoxious blue LEDs for green and amber ones (power and HDD respectively). Unfortunately, as quiet as those TriCool fans are, they only last a few years and I'm long overdue to replace mine.

[@off_on_one]

oh my god, that is my old case, the Antec p180b... damn I miss that thing, it was a really nice case

[@XodiumLabs]

This gives me some faith in running a server board as a typical computer. I've also got a Super Micro board, but it has two CPU sockets for two Woodcrest Xeons. (which came with the board!) Also came with 8GB of FB-DIMMs. It was destined to get thrown out, which is sad. All it needs is a PSU, heatsinks, and HDD. It has onboard graphics, funnily enough. Haven't tested the board yet, but hopefully it's good...

[@MichaelL486]

I was using Gnu/Linux for many years now along with Windows PC's. Mint 17.1 is the most "windows like" and you can customize it to look like Xp, Mac OSX or W7.

[@adobewanjerkobi]

Had a bit of fun watching this while setting up my recently procured Dell Latitude E6400. :)

[@ElectronikHeart]

As a long time Linux User I totally agree with all you said there in the description. Linux is, I think, in the good direction now to become something really good. But there is a lot of rough edges. I think the major problem with Linux it's not unified on the desktop, with so many sound servers, GUI toolkits, etc Android is a good example of, using what work on Linux and simply throw everything that don't work well on the bin. So you can at last start to work on improving the user experience.

[@09ThomasEF]

Reading your post about Linux, and the "old/forgotten pages" on your Walsh Tech website about why Windows ME and XP are bad, I'd be very interested in hearing what you thought when any other operating systems you feel inclined to speak of came out, and what you later came to think of them.

[@ericwood3709]

Fast-forward 5 years and I personally have given not one but two family members Linux systems to replace defunct Windows and Mac systems. Linux Mint in each case. Wonderful non-techie-friendly system.

[@krist0sh]

That's a very nice case, I seem to like the minimalism design of those Antec case's too. And man, that's a clicky keyboard! Makes me want a Model M so bad.

[@francistheodorecatte]

most aftermarket CPU coolers now use motherboard backplates to combat motherboard warping from increased clamping pressure modern coolers use to increase thermal conductivity.

[@thatguyontheright1]

Cable Management helps with air flow. Now I only do it when I have a small case as with my recording rig which was built to capture CGA, and VGA video sources, something my Elgato Capture HD can not do without a massive amount of shoddy adapters and converters which add latency to the video and render it unusable.

[@mercuryoak2]

i see your point in the zip tieing of wires . cause i mean if you have to tear this appart it makes your work harder to get appart cause of the tied wires. Pain in the Rear if you ask me. i built one around same time as you just when replacing clock battery for some reason the asus a8n-sli se motherboard failed to start no power into the computer idk what could have gone wrong. it was a 2008 build about Board: Asus A8n-sli se AMD 1.8 ghz sempron 3 gb ram DDR

[@lmull3]

now that's one hell of a linux machine! love the super micro board, that's a beast.

[@0Fluxor0]

I think that wax coated string would be my favorite. Seeing as it doesn't compromise the insulation of the cables. My fear with zip ties has always been that the zip tie bites into the insulation. I don't exactly agree with Bill's wild west approach to cable management, but I can empathize with the reasoning.

[@hikaru-live]

Well for several years now I have used almost exclusively a variant of UNIX or another. I have two Macs, one Lenovo workstation running Ubuntu and a server running ESXi (which itself is UNIX-like), which hosts a few Ubuntu Server guests. About the ethernet jack, this board will have a built-in ethernet switch. I have a habit of running cables through those water cooling grommet, like a SFF SAS cable from my server to an external disk closure.

[@HDXFH]

i used an acer altos g330 mk2 as a PC, the board is a Gigabyte GA 5DX5L-RH, and runs good with graphics card & sound card this was a Free PC!!

[@HDXFH]

5dxsl lol

[@SkyNines]

Only reason I do cable management and organize and "zip-tie" my cables is because of cooling. I've seen a decrease in temps once I got my cables out of the way. Plus it looks better. but I can understand Bill, It pisses me off when someone asked me to repair a PC and everything is glued, Zip tied, and duct taped together.

[@Nicotinebeige222]

Some Older e machines computers from like 05 or 06 used that system for mounting the heat sink.

[@televisionandcheese]

I'd put a Core 2 duo in that, they cost about £6.50 on ebay, and they are very significant performance upgrade.

[@uxwbill]

+television and cheese It's not supported.

[@televisionandcheese]

***** Oh, okay. :/

[@JackBandicootsBunker]

+uxwbill And a Pentium D?

[@televisionandcheese]

***** Nice. I bought a PC with a Core 2 duo E7500, 2GB ram and 80GB harddrive for 99p! :)

[@limewirepro]

+television and cheese Damn. Australia gets the ass-end of used computer deals. I never get anything here

[@nickkourpias]

Yay a new video, I will consider this the best of my birthday presents. Bill, is this case still available for purchase? It looks like a really awesome one.

[@Seegalgalguntijak]

(cont.) with Linux. There were times when something didn't work (although not an integral part of the system), like my Authentec AES 2810 fingerprint reader, but I have been watching the process of a driver being developed for it and made ready to serve in a Ubuntu/Mint PPA for the newer libfprint version. It took about 6 months after I had the device, and I got it working, without ever having to compile one line of code.

[@skypedog221]

I really haven't had much experience with Kubuntu Linux in the fashion with my ThinkPad T60. I mainly use Firefox with it, because the installer comes preloaded with Kubuntu 12.10, but I did feel the urge to put google chrome on it one day, but I can never seem to get it to install. I mainly find just documents with a bunch of hexidecimals.

[@skypedog221]

Depending on the version or type of linux that you are using, you can put google chrome on Linux, although I have never actually succeeded in doing so, as I cannot find or get to work any installers for it.

[@AmEv7fam]

Myself, I do a medium amount of cable management, but mainly to help prevent cable meeting fan. I try to keep it so I can upgrade without slicing through any zip ties. However, I am NOT a "believer" in individually sleeved cables. I see that they look "cool", but serve no actual purpose. Sleeving your Molex cables to keep them together, I can understand.

[@compositeguy4696]

Hey William! I've got a HP dc7600 personal computer which i use for video editing, i just installed Linux Lubuntu on it. But i can't access the secondary harddrive which is where i store all of my pictures videos ect. The error message says Unable to access drive Error mounting.

[@EgoShredder]

I also go for systems offering a good value to performance ratio. Last year I sold my P4 670 3.8GHz (x64 capable) setup and upgraded to a used 2008 class Core2 Quad Q6600 setup, which forced me to buy a graphics card and PSU (my old ones were totally shot). Despite all of this I always choose high quality, sometimes over engineered components. Finally with the 'new' PC I got to install my Zalman CNPS7700-AlCu that I had previously never got working with my P4 CPU since early 2005! Cost £250 ;)

[@nolalso995]

I always have loved that almost industrial look that antec,silverstone, and Lian Li uses for the drive bays and the reinforcement brackets that run across the case. I love that kind of look, but sadly it seems like it is almost dead now days. I recently sand blasted the inside of my SilverStone case just to give it that sheet metal look again instead of the new fad that is flat black.

[@compdude512]

Once again, I completely and wholeheartedly agree with your "obnoxious" opinion! I have so many warm and fuzzy memories of Firefox 3.6 that I often put it on older machines. My brother and sister's PC's--both old P4 XP Pro units with either 512 MB or a gig of DDR RAM--received the FF 3.6 treatment when I rebuilt their machines early last year. I would remote in and upgrade them, but 3.6 has worked so well for them that an upgrade would only serve to hog more RAM than they have to spare.

[@1monstertech]

I hate the plastic push pin coolers, but from whit I have seen the metal backing plate that they used to use kept the board from flexing as much as the coolers with plastic push-pin only coolers. Just an observation, great video.

[@MrCinimod93]

could you do a toor of the Roach Palace and why it is to far gone to fix i like old houses it seemed like it was not in to bad shape its to bad it cant be saved

[@Samspianopage]

It's a real shame that the big house opposite the Roach Palace (the one that the people surrendered because of the animals getting in and the basement sewage) wasn't available for sale as you wouldn't need the basement for most of your storage, or that little yellow house next door, because you really seem to want to get the Roach Palace demolished and get it out of the road, and out of your list of things to keep maintained. Those 2 house's would've been a great substitute here, if worst comes to worst you could always knock it down and build a fabricated house temporarily.

[@0Fluxor0]

But you are ok with the factory zip ties on the power supply cables ? Just curious, I understand the zip tie issue in the context of "to the point of cable damage".

[@Lukeno52]

I have a CPU cooler that also has the fan in the same position, but the heatsink is far bigger.

[@johnrickard8512]

Once I find out how to install 5.25 inch drives in my case, my primary workstation/server will be getting a DVD burner and a hybrid 3.5/5.25 inch floppy drive ;).

[@kjallen2610]

John Rickard ;)

[@Bolt473]

I know what you say about your choice in Linux distributions, but have you ever considered trying Arch? It takes a lot of configuration to get what you want, but that merits you an exceptional level of personalisation. I switched from Linux Mint to Arch for my daily go-to OS, and I learned a ton about how Linux is put together. It's very geeky OS. Not trying to be a troll, just throwing something out there.

[@admiralalcatraz6080]

Since watching this video the first time i have, tried everywhere in search of this case but to no avail, the only one i found was in Ireland. Going by the price I think they wanted to keep it as some sort of sculpture. I have now bought one very similar, i believe this to be the Antec P183B case which is white. The quality is good and it isn't a garish case aesthetically. Have you still got this in use?

[@uxwbill]

+Tom Wilde The P182B is, if memory serves, basically a decade old at this point. I have two. I bought one of them new and the other (this one, I think) used. This system is still complete and functional.

[@bluefoxtv1566]

With the release of Steam for Linux. and how good it works in my fire wall. I decided to give it a shot. Well it was fast. The driver and other problem's made me give up. Also that CPU fan is wired up strangely. Yellow is usaly for the RPM.

[@lemon9807]

Hey bill, I have Ati es1000 graphics on my dell power edge 1900 and I installed windows 10. Every time I try to install drivers it give a me the blue screen of death. Do you know a solution?

[@lemon9807]

Sorry I have been asking so many questions I’m just a rlly big fan since 2014 :)

[@uxwbill]

Sorry, I do not.

[@lemon9807]

Thank you, I saw that Linux natively supports my integrated chip. I installed Manjaro and it works completely fine with no problem recognizing my chip. If it wasn’t for your vids I wouldn’t have known about how Linux supports older but good hardware.

[@AiOinc1]

It's Firefox 40.0.0! (I still use Netscape Navigator 9.0, however. It's better.) Nice choice of keyboard btw!

[@AiOinc1]

Seamonkey doesn't work on my system, and Firefox 37 just absolutely murders any performance on most of my PCs. Security is not an issue for me, as I have an older PC as a router (A Pentium 2 MMX at 300MHz with 256MB of RAM) which has massively overpowered firewall software. By the looks of your icon, you preferr Netscape as well. ;)

[@Awemage01]

It would be wonderful to watch a vid on this "roach palace" house...

[@DaedhrotheElf]

I'm a left-hander too :3 i always use my mouse left handedly, but at school always right-handed. I used to use it completely right-handed, but when I first started to tinker computers and muck around with settings when I was 10, I discovered the "left hand" feature for the mouse and it felt so much more comfortable.

[@maximalgamingnl9954]

Daedhro the Elf must be hard being a lefty and playing games on pc, you could move the w,s,a,d keys to the right side, but still...

[@AnonymousYoutuber69]

OMG a computer system/piece of computer hardware. Thank you.

[@devlin2011]

I love all your videos your so informative and you know pretty much how everything works. Im on my way to that point I can only hope when Im your age I have that much wisdom and experience.

[@raulrrodriguez7552]

I like your commentary and I myself have just started using linux Mint 17.2 a while back. Have been contemplating installing on my hard drive as I am sure it would run much better. I've been using the live dvd's was mostly a windows user but just dabbled with linux previously on several other systems. My windows system would not boot up anymore I would only get the dreaded blue screen and since I manage everything online I knew going with linux is a bit more secure and I like that aspect of it. Still like windows but like linux also ot reminds me my Dos and win 3.1 system I started with. I liked working with the command line and batch files. Learned a lot especially after I started using 4dos, I was able to automate a great many tasks with it. Just wanted to say I enjoy watching your videos, motivates me to get off my butt and finish a pc build I started a while back but got lazy with my new....well fairly new to me Hp Compaq 8510. It still runs good but using live dvd'd like I said. Keep up the informative videos.

[@newtekie1]

I'm with ya Bill on the zip ties. I'll use a few velcro straps to hold cables out of the way, but I'll leave the cables dangling before I use zip ties.

[@tswiftshipper]

Always been a Mac User since I am not a gamer. And I get how you expect that an easy to use program should also be easy to install. So I still use OS X for all my real work, but I use Linux Mint on my laptop (thinkpads are great for Linux) for web surfing and note taking. This lets me play with Linux but not get frustrated if something goes wrong. You should use the Roach Palace PC for casual web surfing, this way you can ease back into Linux.

[@mikester9673]

Would you still happen to have that case lying around? i cant find any older antec cases on ebay at all, and i love their older designs. IF you still have it would you be willing for me to but it from you?

[@mikester9673]

***** oh ok thank you though!

[@ihaveacoolhat1]

Great video. I'm a big fan of your videos.

[@AmEv7fam]

Yep. My tablet has a dying digitizer, so I am forced to use a mouse with it until the digitizer is replaced. It's an OK mouse interface, but it is clearly optimized for touch.

[@SapphireDensetsu]

Thank you for stating that. And your needs would be, a stable, capable operating environment for business tasks, recreational applications, and video editing? And as for programming, leave that to those of us with a driven passion, or just plain nuts.

[@coondogtheman]

Man you're a fast typer. Way better than me, but all the days I was using a computer typing I got better. I'm a windows user but I have this juice box video player device by mattel, it plays cartoons and shows on cartridges, It runs a version of linux.

[@JacobVloggs]

Modern Motherboards don't have IDE or floppy support anymore, so I have to get a IDE card, which aren't the easiest to find, and they rarely have cards that can control a floppy drive.

[@chriswiehle816]

Uswbill. You should try live streaming. You're a natural.

[@ilikemacsalot]

He used to but doesn't anymore.

[@GarrardAT6]

Very Enjoyable Video! That is an attractive case! I like it! :) My PC has a floppy drive and a similar size case...It also has fire wire ports...But it is very old! It didn't come with USB2...But I added card which works well. It has 4 fans which make next to no noise at all...Probably due to the team of on board maintenance spiders and their webs softening the sound...haha!!! I wish the internals of a computer didn't hold such mysteries to me...You're one hell of clever guy William! Bravo! :)

[@NelsonBigGunP200Fan]

Almost every linux distro I've used, if i've had problems, Theres always been a forum where I can get help, take installing Zorin and Ubuntu linux on my desktop that has a 980GTX.. That was a nightmare, but thankfully a ubuntu forum gave me a process to install the driver, it works great now.

[@jblevins1991]

That is because NVIDIA is a bunch of cunts when it comes to Linux drivers. Linus Torvalds has publicly told them to fuck off. lol

[@ibizenco]

Another interesting video. As for Linux: the text at that catb-DOT-org site is exactly how my very first steps into Linux was - but sometime back in the late 1990s, I believe, with SuSE Linux 5.0 or 6.0 or sumthin'. Never got it to work decently, and I messed up my whole computer so thorougly that I had to take my PC to the computer store :) (Baby steps, when it came to computers, you know...) That was even before I had Internet (pre-year-2000). Anno Domini 2017, however, I think Linux is great. I am using Linux (all Debian-based distros) and I got my (older aged) parents in Linux (and in OS X El Cap) and they manage quite fine. When I think back of that disastrous SuSE Linux try, and then think of Linux Mint in the year 2016/2017, then I must say Linux has come a very, very long way. The day that my two Windows machines break down (still running Windows Vista fine, thank you very much), I will switch to Linux completely and never look back.

[@uxwbill]

As the video says: things *have* and *continue* to get better. It's still not there yet, though, at least not for all of us.

[@VampireGracie]

Hey bill, I just got my hands on a Pentium 4 ht 530 for $5, would love to get one of those motherboards or one simular to it, what's was the board number? Sorry I missed what you said it was in the video.

[@McgregorKLB]

Always nice to see a new computer video! These and the Car video's are great! Are you interested to make a cluster of, lets say, 4-6 pc's to do some number crunching, folding@home or encoding video and such? Just for the knowledge and sharing that knowledge? would be awesome!!

[@NelsonBigGunP200Fan]

what would you do if u bought new parts today and built a pc? I'm sure floppy drives went to the wayside around the time of the sandy bridge Core i series release. Of course USB ones are still available. we have one at work that we use for file transfer off of a floppy to cd or flash drives, OR once in awhile u have to flash the BIOS of a motherboard with a floppy

[@uxwbill]

There are still a few motherboards kicking around with floppy disk controllers and connection points. (If you look around, you'll find that pretty much every LPCIO chip in use still has the FDC logic in place. The board makers just don't bring it out anywhere.) However, none of those few boards still having a floppy disk connection are based on particularly current technology. As I have USB floppy drives and plenty of computers that can read and write floppy diskettes with an internal drive, having a "weeny modern computer" isn't a problem. And in fact I do, in the form of a Dell Inspiron 660s (whose LPCIO does not have floppy, parallel or serial port logic, but would have supported PS/2 input hardware if they'd have brought it out. As I sincerely wish they would have, since there is room.).

[@michelinman8592]

I always get a good laugh, even on a bad day! Thanks, uxwbill!!!

[@Seegalgalguntijak]

I am using Linux only since 2006 now, b/c I was sick of being dumbed-down by Microsoft's GUIs that hide more than they tell. However, in the beginning I've also faced rude comments when asking questions - then I realized that it was my attitude to have everything delivered to me on a silver plate, not wanting to read and learn about it myself. Software is so highly complex nowadays that there can be no way to explain everything including the basics in such a situation, so it is customary to ...

[@pismiseduard6035]

from where do you buy those please tell me or give me a hint ,i am interesed in those thingh too

[@emmitunderwood7102]

I have a AMD 6300 overclocked to 4.2 with windows 7 and linux 17.1 and its great

[@Bolt473]

Linux definitely isn't ready for the end user. I had high hopes for Ubuntu (though I'm not personally a fan.), but Canonical seems to be going crazy. My next hope is that Manjaro (which is based on Arch, but uses its own repositories) turns out to be reliable and extremely simple by the time it comes out of beta.

[@terran698]

if you decide to upgrade the os i suggest mint 13(mate, cinnamon, or kde) as its a lts version. also if you want an easy to use version for linux noobs i suggest ubuntu 12.10 (with the gnome3 desktop instead of unity). i currently run the mint 14.1 and on an overbuilt gaming laptop i have some strange lag issues i didnt have with 13 but i love them both more than windows.

[@shaneybrainy13]

With high performance, high heat hardware, cable management is important. I don't give a hoot about the cable management in my Dell Dimension 4600 media server PC, but in my AMD FX-8350/ GTX 770 gaming build, cable management is important as it A.) Improves airflow which B.) decreases heat and therefore throttling which increases performance and C.) improves the aesthetics, something that is obviously not important with computers that do not have side panel windows, unlike mine.

[@beachsandinspector]

I was only thinking to myself "I wonder what has happened to the roach palace" then a day or so later you posted this. I have used a lot of linux distros ubuntu has fallen out of favour here due to the desktop, I still use Debian as well as Suse that been said the latest versions of Linux Mint are much better and easier to use (you will find this yourself when you upgrade).

[@technon1]

Centos 6 Would work well on that hardware and is officially supported until 2020

[@QuaaludeCharlie]

glad you cleared up the out of band management controller , good video :) QC

[@ATCRyderX]

I kind of like how that case has the PSU all the way at the bottom. oh and Bill, I still have 3 Button Mouses. I don't use them - but I damn well could if I wanted to. lol

[@skypedog221]

I'm not entirely sure if I'm missing some executable in the extracted .tar.gz file that I get from the download that installs Google Chrome, but I never got that far, as I ended up re-installing Kubuntu on my laptop, because I was still in my phase of trying to test different versions of Linux to dual boot with Windows 8, so if I can't seem to figure it out someday, I might seek your assistance. :P

[@ReCkLeSsErr0r]

Hey uxwbill the pentium 4 you are using is the highest end (prescott) and that computer is very nice

[@OlegKostoglatov]

I think he's telling the truth about the "Roach Palace", the place was occupied by an old bachelor for many years and there is a lot of evidence of bodged renovation work and repairs. I'm not sure if Bill told me this or not but I think the foundation is also not the best. It was a lower end house to begin with, and most of the vintage millwork and doors that it may have had were ripped out and replaced with tacky 1960s-70s room crap like cheap paneling, hollow care doors, and ugly carpet.

[@NFreund]

I have to ask, has your opinion about linux changed in those 4 years? Because i've been using Linux for about 7 years now (tbh, i can't get rid of Windows because there are some games, that just do not run on Linux - however, 2016 alone was one hell of a year for linux - 3 AAA Games came out as native linux version and they run absolutely great, as a side note.) and i've put my parents in front of one. They also used MacOS for quite some time. Both of them actually find the way i've set up Gnome (it looks and works quite similar to MacOS) very intuitive. Using Arch Linux makes configuring a breeze - their Wiki is the best on the net - Period. If you have a problem, you will find a solution there and if not, i've found the Arch Linux Community is pretty nice. (Although, in my case i'm using Antergos Linux, which is Arch Linux with a custom Installer, one should not go around and shove that fact in the faces of the community)

[@uxwbill]

I am continually optimistic about the state of desktop Linux and I've liked it in embedded devices and on servers almost from my first experiences with it in the 1990s. I don't think it's "there" yet for every desktop usage scenario, but it gets closer every day.

[@RetroVintageItems27]

Stupid question: Can you put google chrome on Linix? 2: I always like those cases with doors on the front. You are a rapid typer on the Model M!

[@MOTERHEAD69]

So whats the story with the keykeepers truck now, Have't heard about it in ages

[@Cody6210]

So, this just popped into my sub box... Great job KZbin

[@HDXFH]

wishb i had a mancave like that lol I use windows 10 Preview on a spare PC & so far it's good, they at least brought back the start menu

[@wubmangaming]

ikr

[@H3adcrash]

Nice machine! :D Also, YES! You do need floppy drives! I even had to share a FDD from my server, over the network, as my main machine mobo doesn't have a FDD port.. (There is electrical support for it) It's just not used... o_O

[@dosman01302]

Fantastic machine! yes Linux Mint has updated quite a bit since that version.. and it is more user friendly.. I use both linux and windows 7, afraid of windows 8 yet form all the bad vibes I get. Have a great one Bill!

[@nikolaisywolos4851]

high end CPU coolers still use that mounting system bill, intel's stock coolers are to cheap for that...

[@Tron1731]

OK why dont you show us the roach house ???? now that wold be somthing to see Bill

[@kbhasi]

Try out the remote management tool!

[@MoTown44240]

There is nothing wrong with Linux, the kernel that communicates with the motherboard. MS Windows kernel communicates with the motherboard. OSx kernel communicates with the motherboard. The problem lies with the manufacturers of the peripherals (NIC's, modems, printers, scanners, etc.) that write drivers that specific kernels can interpret, those where profit can be derived. That's great. Many peripheral manufacturers have chosen to write drivers for the Microsoft OS and MacIntosh OSx paid-to-use-licensed software since they too receive monetary compensation rather than cater to the free OS community. Fortunately there are some real smart software programmers that write drivers for the Linux OS.

[@MoTown44240]

"Whether or not anything's "wrong" with Linux depends upon many factors, two of which are someone's experience with computers and what they're trying to get done. I think the biggest problems these days with Linux are those of approachability, discoverability and usability. It's a very powerful OS, but that doesn't much good for anyone if the means of tapping that power are difficult to comprehend, likely to be misunderstood, dangerous if they are misunderstood and hard to find a good starting point that allows one to gradually learn more as they go." I agree with your two points. However, from my personal experience with 'my Linux converts' there seems to be none the problems you suggest, i.e. "approachability, discoverability, and usability". Why? Because I am their mentor. They don't have to learn as I did by reading computere hardware/software books or researching for an answer on the Internet, nor would they be motivated to so. Its easier to ask a friend "how do I do this" and be shown than to exercise research to find the solution to their problem or misunderstanding. "There is something of an "attitude" amongst some Linux community members and this needs to change if ever the operating system is to really gain traction. I believe progress is being made here, but it's quite slow." This is a problem with any OS community/forum and was a greater challenge before the Internet when help was summoned via a bulletin board request and waiting for a response. Some people "in the know" seem to have a disparity of sharing what they know with others that don't know, especially if those that don't know ask the question of those "in the know" in a way seemingly inappropriate. I don't have enough fingers or toes to count the number of times that I asked for help about DOS or how to program this or that and had to learn on my own by the tried and true method of "trial and error" learning. Have a nice day.

[@Samspianopage]

Terry Morris The thing is Terry that with the likes of Windows and especially Mac OS-X they provide a clean full-featured front end , nice looking desktop for you to get going with, and most of the setting that the average Joe may want to change are presented in a controlled, easy-to grasp fashion. Now Linux has made great strides to get to that same place, but it's still not as cohesive, well-packaged etc, as most consumers would want. Mac OS-X did make UNIX, which is a very complicated and powerful OS under the hood, appear friendly and very easy to use, and as Chris Perillo said a few years ago, "you gotta give Apple props for that" indeed. I've used Linux and as I said to the other guy above, I've got great appreciation for what it has done and become over the years considering where it cam from, but to really get it into consumers laps needs backing, and that's where I reckon it's lacking, then again that's not the Linux Idea really, but there's something to be said for the lack of advertising, demonstration, and the support of hardware and software companies, who whilst they're getting better, have up until a few years ago, looked at Linux as "the other ,2nd, less important OS", well that's how I see it anyway. Commercial softwer vendors etc don't release the most popular apps on Linux because it's still a relatively small market share in comparison to Mac and Windows, as much as I'd like to see it otherwise that's probably the case, just look at how Mac OS-X was before they went to Intel, the only software for it was either professional creative, or Apple's own, maybe one or 2 games here and there, now look at it, you got Steam bringing games in, most formerly Windows apps are now on the platform, see what Market share does?

[@MoTown44240]

Regarding Steam. Its proted to Linux/Unix as well. The gaming programmers have come onboard to the Linux/Unix OS after realizing how efficiently their programs on those systems. If you are satsified with Micros*ft providing you with a product that they deem that you want and have no personal way of altering it to your liking, then great. I am not famiiar with OS/X so I won't comment on that OS. I made my choice to switch from MS after years of enduring with only a liensing fee to use a product that was buggy upon installation a prone to virus attack. I couldn't take a chance of using the OS on a network, Internet included, without purchasing an AV application. Free applications of AV application software have been available for the personal user for about eight years; prior to that everything that ran on the MS OS cost money... well, there was shareware and very little freeware. I am happy with Linux. I am finding workarounds for proprietary software applications that I use in my hobby. I require the use of less than 5 proprietary applications to run on Linux. Every other application I run for my hobby is Open Source and many of those applications work better, IMO, than those I would have to pay to use on the MS OS. I don't miss MS OS freezing because two applications I have running don't like each other running at the same time. I don't miss the BSOD when the OS hiccups. I don't miss the fragmentation of my hard drives because the OS inefficiently throws bits and pieces of an application on the drive to quickly fluch it out of RAM. I don't miss having to purchase AV software, I know I said that already. I don't miss MS telling me I need to upgrade my hardware because my current hardware won't be sufficient for the new OS it is about to release, and BTW they will no longer be supporting theer version that I am currently using. I don't miss having to wait for MS to release fixes to problems until their service package is released. Linux is updated all the time, automatically, without the need to reboot unless there is a new kernel update. I don't miss installing the new OS then utilizing hours to reload my non-MS application software to the new OS. Regarding your comment "to really get it into consumers laps needs backing". Vendors back MS because of contractual agreement to provice their product with an installed OS for which the vendor receives a kickback. That vendor will not sell their hardware product without an installed OS. You've used Linux or tried Linux? How recent I wonder. I have converted many non-geek type PC users to the Linux OS. They are satisfied that they can use the GUI just as they did with MS OS. There is some becoming familiar with new applications that don't look like what they were accustomed to with the other OS, but in short time they are running smoothly as they did with the other OS. They are surprised that they don't need to know CLI as they have been brainwashed to believe by vendors that sell the other OS. What really amazes them is they don't need to install other applications after the Linux OS install, because everything they used on the other OS had to been insatlled, reboot their computer, then install the next application, reboot... The spreadsheet program and the wordprocessor they used in the other OS is already installed. They can still go to facebook, QVC, or whatever website they visited with the other OS. Enough said. Your opinion is yours and mine is mine. Have a nice day, and thanks for your reply.

[@EssenceofPureFlavor]

Linux the kernel is fine. Chrome OS and Android are very user friendly and far less troublesome, and they're Linux based. But GNU, which is what people are usually referring to when they say Linux, is nothing but trouble. Even some other Unix based OSes, like the BSDs, are far less trouble, and much more consistent and "professionally" put together.

[@Seegalgalguntijak]

(cont.2) things work, just demanding that they work for them, which in turn harms the whole industry, because it benefits malware programmers, scammers and other sorts of "digital crime", including low quality software that is dilletantly fumbled together (like lots of Microsoft's software happens to be), I think the attitude of gaining and sharing knowledge among the Linux communities is very helpful. I mean,if you drive a car you should also know at least how to check the oil,change tires etc.

[@scgamer2442]

Does this motherboard support any multi core CPUs such as a Pentium D, Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad? I'd imagine it probably supports a Pentium D but I don't know about the Core 2 series.

[@uxwbill]

+Tri-County Electronics Pentium D...maybe. No Core series CPUs are supported.

[@MrMac5150]

Linux Mint 11 is heaven everything works perfect, from cameras to printers, unreal.

[@newrhea13]

I like that case

[@francistheodorecatte]

my model M has the 10ft cable. AND it's the detachable one!

[@MrReeceyburger123]

I didnt mean to be annoying I was saying that the video was good and that I enjoyed it :)

[@cambridgeport90]

Sure would. How many drive bays are in there?

[@cambridgeport90]

and just to let you know, Microsoft is flagging the link to the text file in the description as containing malware. I just noticed it today when trying to view it. I viewed it anyway. You might want to tell them that they need to reconsider the warning. And you know what I hate? They don't go into specifics!