Road Rage HN66 HXA - Conviction (Read description and comments)

Annotated footage from a road rage incident, committed by the driver of HN66 HXA.
Update: December 2019 - Vehicle registered owner (female) failed to declare who was driving at the time of the incident and was invited to attend court. Fined £1000 and six points on her license! They didn't get the perpetrator (most likely her son), but glad of some kind of outcome!
This footage has only been released in public, after the conclusion of the court case.
The incident begins to unravel at about 1:30 until 2:30 - the reason this video is so long is because the Police require 2 minutes prior and 2 minutes after the event to be included in the evidence; to show that you yourself are not being the idiot or committing any offences.
Raw footage: • Road Rage HN66 HXA - C...
Incident occurred in January 2019 - and captured in my Dash-cam. I was so incensed I posted the video to the Thames Valley Police (TVP) crime reporting web-site; more as a "fire and forget" thing to get it off my chest.
I had just dropped my son of in a residential area near a park and leisure centre. His friend lives across the road in the houses to the right.
As I drive off, I see ahead of me a car speeding, and there is only room for one car - he does pull in and wait (great!). I gave a smile and a nice gesture and say "slow down" - after all there are kids in the built up area, and potentially people exercising from the leisure centre!
He beeps angrily, and as I proceed I see the car speedily slamming into reverse, and screeching after me. I turn right on another road, and begin to pass cars to the left.
The other driver races past, squeezing past the very tight room on the right, almost colliding, and potentially completely against any potential oncoming traffic, then pulls in front of me, "brake tests" near a junction at the end of the road.
He then reverses back, and threatens me before again hooning off, flicking a bird and speeding past a cyclist just after the junction.
Upshot is: A few months after reporting, TVP contacted me saying they intended to prosecute the driver; I had forgotten I'd even reported the incident and had some convincing that I was being called by a police officer about, and it was not some kind of "scam" caller!
TVP kept me up to date over the following weeks, and after another couple of months they informed me that the registered keeper of the vehicle (female) was refusing to name the driver as she is obliged to do. Therefore, they prosecuted her instead. In court, she refused to even view the footage and took 6 points and £1000 penalty for her, presumably, cowardly son - though it could have been hubby.

[@myjoyonline.]

It's a crazy world out there with people getting offended by petty things. You never know what will set someone off, so just ignore and drive away. Never ever go after someone you've clashed with, that's just asking for trouble; I usually drive the opposite way. In my opinion, people who fail to name a driver should be threatened with jail time. Stay safe everyone.

[@SeanPearceUK]

Totally agreed. But I'm not going to let other road-users intimidate me either! The direction he was going was where I was headed anyway; but I did "go back around" as I wanted to check up if he'd parked up locally as my son visited there with friends often - so also checking son was still "OK" in the park. (Most likely the car had driven into the leisure centre and parked up - obviously didn't follow him in there!).

[@WeeShoeyDugless]

It's a BMW driver, what do you expect??

[@pedrolg]

BMWs should come with a legal insurance policy included from the dealership. Jokes aside, I reported another BMW running two red lights in a row and never hear from the police since then, but it's good to know some cases are addressed.

[@SeanPearceUK]

I *really* don't like painting all BMW (and Audi - ouch ;-)) drivers with the same brush... However... ;-)

[@SuperFerdie1965]

Best experience of road rage I've encountered was some wanker in a transit who cut me up in Hyde then came out with the usual diatribe. His work number was on the side. I rang him later as a "policeman" who had witnessed his dangerous driving and informed him he could expect a notice of intended prosecution in the next two months and the offence carried a mandatory 12 month ban. He must have really enjoyed that two month wait!

[@fetchstixRHD]

That's brilliant, pro gamer move there! I would hope that being scared shitless would have changed him for the better...

[@SeanPearceUK]

It was great when I reported as a "fire and forget" - forgot; then the resultant follow-up... It's definitely worth it!

[@ChrisSmith-vw1zf]

Kin hell that's beautiful

[@WeeShoeyDugless]

Best one I heard of was my brothers mate who followed an idiot home after he cut him up, waited until he got out the car with his wife and then roared out the window all serious at him 'If you ever come near my wife again you'll be in big trouble you wanker' & left his wife to give him the rest🤣🤣🤣

[@seanplows6613]

I think you'll find that impersonating a Police Officer is a far more serious crime... Maybe consider taking your comment down...?

[@manuelavanbloois5209]

How sad some people are. Being in a "rush" but still got the time to chase you and saying you're a twat.

[@SeanPearceUK]

Excellent - an yes! Made even "later" so he also speeds off back to the leisure centre, nearly upturning another cyclist!

[@jerrysummers5971]

Yeah stupid but no point in trying to find them for what?

[@itchyscratch3829]

With any luck his Mummy or girlfriend who owns the car won't let him use it again. But £1000 and 6 points for her, hope he's worth it! 😆

[@SeanPearceUK]

Agreed

[@modmod392]

He’s a knob mummy’s boy. Hood he is proud of her dickehead son

[@MrFookface]

Great video. Nice to see these idiots on the roads not getting away with it (even though it was only the registered keeper, but still a result). Well done Sean 👍

[@SeanPearceUK]

Thanks. No idea why it's taken me 10 months to reply :-)

[@MrFookface]

@@SeanPearceUK 🤣🤣🤣👍🏻

[@AnnabelleJARankin]

That would shake me up - aggression for no reason signals a dangerous narcissist.

[@SeanPearceUK]

Agreed, and as it turns out a bit of a coward... His mum took the rap for him! 🙄

[@DavidBrown-ok1rf]

Possibly refused to name the driver for umpteen reasons, not insured to drive that car, no licence/wrong licence perhaps, disqualified, wanted criminal, the list goes on.......

[@SeanPearceUK]

Absolutely!

[@jaysaunders3101]

Driving is hard work nowadays, too many bad angry drivers out there

[@SeanPearceUK]

Agreed. I'm all for educating drivers to use better judgement, observation, anticipation and restraint. :-)

[@NToombes]

Its true, if only we could get an angry driver like this one to sit down and explain their actions, might give us some insight as to why so many people are like it.

[@lofty2210]

Wow! An RX8 that starts!

[@SeanPearceUK]

😁 It drives VERY well since it had the inevitable Engine Rebuild a few years ago; Premature for an R3 but now on more miles after rebuild than original engine (that's jinxed it!) 😁

[@specialized29er86]

take a chill pill and go home safe to your family and not to jail

[@SeanPearceUK]

I was so chill I was peeing ice-cubes; and absolutely no way *I* would be going to jail for I was not the offender! 😎 Angry, irresponsible and inconsiderate morons like that should not be allowed to be in charge of a motor vehicle. 😃

[@Krzyszczynski]

Living as I do outside the UK, I've driven only occasionally on their roads these past 2 decades, but it seems to me things are getting worse and worse there lately, what with increased vehicle numbers and deteriorating driver behaviour. Query: are dashcams provided on rental cars as a standard feature? It would be in the hirer's interest rather than the firm's, so I guess not.

[@SeanPearceUK]

Not being a regular hirer of cars in the UK - I don't have any idea whether Dash-cams are a requirement or popular feature; some insurers are offering lower premiums for dash-cams (and black-boxes to monitor driving behaviour).

[@1ns4ne1d10t]

Every UK driver is a narcassist and thats just the way I see things in this country now. And they act like that and getaway with it because there are no Police patrols on the road anymore. The discipline for the UK is missing and this is how its become. The British have always been antisocial 'Yobs' and we've always had a yob culture here thats nothing new. Always up for a fight always paranoid about what someone else is doing always aggressive and out looking for trouble. Its now become the new hell for any motorist who tries to abide by the law and do things safely and correctly over here. You've got too many narcassists who tailgate and pull you over and try to 'drag you out' of the vehicle for simply abiding by a simple speed limit to avoid a fine and points on your licence and for not triggering a speed camera. The UK is turning like parts of lawless areas of South Africa. I hate driving in the UK people do as they want. They nearly crash into you or do something lethal. And if you blow your horn at them they always kick open a door and that is it. Sadly that is how Britain is now.

[@jonathanwalker8730]

He was quite polite and reasonable compared to an Audi driver.

[@SeanPearceUK]

😂

[@ianwhitelaw3066]

Audi man and vw man own the road

[@jonathanwalker8730]

@@ianwhitelaw3066 Cnuts.

[@PCEngineer2007uk]

What a massive tool. If he'd tried that on with me, he would've gone home with no teeth.

[@SeanPearceUK]

Not even worth wasting the punch on, IMO! 👊🤣

[@NitroNuggetTV]

Shame the wrong person got punished, there's little justice in this and shows a massive flaw in our legal system to charge someone who has video evidence of them not driving or even in the vicinity. People within families and company's borrow cars all the time and the owner is not responsible for how they use them. We are responsible for our own actions. Something seems very morally wrong with this system. Hopefully the lady was as awful of a person as her alleged son is at the least. No intended criticism towards you Sean.

[@SeanPearceUK]

Many thanks for your feedback and constructive thoughts. Agreed that this system is not ideal. Yes the lady, in the view of the police prosecuting, was herself rather arrogant - she refused to view the video footage in court.

[@cavemanjake2361]

She choose not to declare who was driving, she could of given the actual drivers details but didn’t so it sits on her lap now

[@jippyjester]

ERm, how did the wrong person get punished? If anything she is as bad as the twat driving. The arrogance is astonishing.

[@kevinholdroyd]

He probably hasnt got the car anymore,he will have written it off by now!!

[@SeanPearceUK]

Maybe, who knows... His mummy can't take points for him forever either! So hopefully banned by now!

[@User-3O3]

He was clearly in such a hurry, he had time to turn around and go back the way he came.

[@SeanPearceUK]

Absolutely.

[@padraic9350]

That BMW driver obviously has issues that need to be sorted. Just leave things.....count to ten etc!

[@SeanPearceUK]

IMO, there shouldn't have even been anything to 'react' to - other than acknowledge a mistake (or ignore) and drive on...

[@SeanPearceUK]

@ricky Gore At what part do you think I was "gobbing off" to anybody? In what way was I being a coward?

[@SeanPearceUK]

@ricky gore So what grown man cannot take sage advice, and act like a normal human being? At least I had the balls to stand up for myself, remain calm and carry on, and follow through with the correct actions... Whereas the childish perpetrator wasn't even man enough to take two seconds to think "so what" and ignore, and henceforth taking the rap for his own responsibilities, and ran to Mummy instead. Oooh Emojis... 🤣😂😁😘🤷‍♂️

[@noprizesforme4196]

Ah yes, the day in a life of a BMW driver. In a rush to get everywhere, but not really in a rush, because they wanna argue.

[@SeanPearceUK]

🤣 Hadn't even clocked that viewpoint!

[@EE12CSVT]

It's quite depressing seeing these attempts to criticise Sean. He did nothing wrong during the course of this encounter, and in the same situation I'd have done exactly the same at each point - just give an indication to an oncoming driver to be aware of their speed as children are playing, thank him, smile, and move on. Afterwards, drive while minding my own business, and after the encounter, return to view the scene for a clearer view and see if the BMW was still being driven in that manner. For all I know, a crime was going to be committed, or had been.

[@SeanPearceUK]

Many thanks for your positive feedback Richard.

[@KillerBill1953]

I have to disagree, he engaged with someone obviously not a pleasant person. Check my comment further up.

[@yamxjr100]

Surely by now you must realise that BMW drivers own the road and they can do what ever they like because they are far more superior than everyone else. It doesn't matter that they are bad drivers just feel sorry for them in there over priced over rated cars.

[@SeanPearceUK]

I'm sure there must be some good ones out there; but it is an unfortunate trait IMO! 😉

[@paulwood5803]

Whats the difference between a BMW and a Hedgehog? A hedgehog has the pricks on the outside.

[@1ns4ne1d10t]

If you buy a Rover 45 you are buying the previous shape BMW 1 Series. Rover MG prototyped the 1 series as the Rover 400 and 45 replacement. The Rover design was sold to BMW and BMW rebadged it. Something you should know before considering an "Upgrade" to a BMW after getting tired of your existing Rover 400.

[@todaysdashcam6058]

How are you, friend? Can I use your clip in my video for Educational Purpose with credit and link? Also how do you want me to express your reactions on the video

[@SeanPearceUK]

Well, it looks like I don't have much choice already? I suppose at least you linked back. 🤨🙄

[@todaysdashcam6058]

@@SeanPearceUK yes i have linked back thank you

[@BlueSummers101]

@2:26 nice of him to show the world exactly what he is, still since he was driving mummies car and obviously can't afford his own what do you expect!

[@SeanPearceUK]

Yep.

[@sj-30000]

regardless of the idiots on the roads, why do you feel it's necessary to post number plates? it only takes one clown to find out where he lives and cause bother, and that'll be down to you. just keep this information to yourself 🙄

[@SeanPearceUK]

Are you serious? He's ,making an idiot of himself, driving around on the public roads with the plates on, in public view; and the videos were taking in a public place, on the public highway; so there's no problem showing (and even highlighting) them here, IMHO. My own vehicle(s) with plates showing have published videos and photos on public forums (including use on private land), as well and I have NO problems with that, whatsoever - and can do nothing to prevent it; other than obscuring my own plates on private land; and ensuring I am a responsible (if not infallible) driver in general... It is not easy to obtain address information from the registration plates due to the restrictive nature of whom DVLA are allowed to divulge that information to, upon request and with a fee & those obtaining such information are NOT allowed to store or re-use the information other than for the purpose it was obtained (usually to serve notice of fee, fine or prosecution to the KEEPER [note, not driver] of the vehicle)... Each "use" of the information must also be followed with a new request to the DVLA...

[@sj-30000]

Anyone can pretend they're a company and get that information, why put that individual at risk? Video evidence to the police is all you need to stop these Berks from thinking of doing it again.

[@SeanPearceUK]

​@@sj-30000 I don't agree that "anybody can pretend they're a company" nor easily or legally "get that information". Feel free to obtain his or my address details (my reg clearly visible in many postings if you search!) and let me know the results! 😊 Note the DRIVER was NOT convicted - but the Registered KEEPER; probably his mum - because SHE refused to divulge the Driver... If the POLICE cannot get at the *Driver*, very unlikely "anybody" can! I think we need to agree to disagree on whether this (or other websites) publishing this registration is putting *anybody* at any risk. You know my opinion and nothing you say will alter this (or future) postings; away with you and keep up your crusade on CyclingMikey's channel... 😉

[@sj-30000]

@@SeanPearceUK quite naive if you think there aren't ways of getting drivers information from their plates. There will be nefarious people who will find ways of accessing this information... If you get into altercations with other drivers, then fair enough, video them and their car, but I.M.O, you shouldn't divulge their numberplate. Is it ok for me to have this opinion? Because there's no crusade going on here, and cycling who? Never heard of them.

[@lewisricekrispy2]

I'm guessing that he/she giggled like a school girl as they drove off, rather than waiting for a reply.

[@SeanPearceUK]

Certainly the mentality of a child. :D

[@Dashflix]

Hello mate! Is it okay to use it please ? Credited of course.

[@SeanPearceUK]

Looks like I have little choice in the matter? Low quality repos and I'd appreciate links to my original videos in your description section please, in return.

[@1ns4ne1d10t]

Don't listen to people who always assume "It Takes two to tango" they weren't there at the time of the incident. I myself have been the victim of 100% unprovoked road rage about five times now. Classic one I had was driving my Jaguar X Type to work one Saturday morning and having two young hung over looking twats (Excuse my French) both in a Honda Civic Type S slam into reverse after visiting a premier newsagents and attempting to make a careless rearward charge out into the main road where I was. They went to bullcharge the Honda backwards without looking as I was almost on top of them but had to swerve to avoid their half-stuck-out rear end and they had to hit the brakes to stop as a result of their own carelessness. No beams, no horn from me, no swearing from me I carried on as per normal and those two tossers chased me over nothing and drew alongside me swearing profanities because I was driving alone. I did nothing to deserve this? I ignored them both and blanked them completely as if they didn't exist then because I did that they cut infront of me and started brake testing me for my attention which was where my good nature ended. I don't excuse my own actions but I don't blame myself for doing it. They were persistent so I lost my rag and gave them something to complain about. By that I worked out Hondas were utterly useless when driven hard and I also worked out that bullies also back off when they upset someone innocent and turn the tables. Sad that I had to do it to stand my ground and prove a point. But sometimes you need to! Safe driving and glad the police did something.

[@SeanPearceUK]

Many thanks for the observations; sometimes I cannot help myself - I know I was in the right, so do the police and there's a lot not picked up by the forward facing camera view :)

[@jimmyjazz1570]

Probably done it to you cos you was a knob who felt that you had to drive a Jag?

[@1ns4ne1d10t]

@@jimmyjazz1570 Then they both shit themselves when I finally retaliated. Oops

[@Stringer13ell]

@@jimmyjazz1570 its a shame you were born can you rectify that?

[@jimmyjazz1570]

@@Stringer13ell Yep, can do , but will let G - d call me once the bed is made...... and your Dad should have left you on your Mums face .. again. What are you? 12?

[@adrianlloyd6403]

Too many aggressive types like this on the road.Instead of speeding, give yourself extra time to do the necessary journey and then you'll get to your destination without being a knob to other users of the road.Just a helpful suggestion.

[@SeanPearceUK]

I totally agree! (though its the BMW driver who needs to accept this suggestion, not me!? I was in no hurry and rarely am...) Where one make the odd mistake / misjudgement - accept the responsibility like an adult!

[@toothpick4649]

The roads are so narrow in the U.K. especially when cars are parked on both sides of the road makes it impossible for two cars to pass each other,it's a wonder there are not more accidents . Here in Australia we have to give cyclists a meter when overtaking them .

[@SeanPearceUK]

Some roads are narrow or congested, not helped by the fact that vehicle ownership tends to exceed the spaces allotted, especially in older estates. It's *not* a problem if people are careful and responsibly adjust their driving to the conditions... In the UK the Highway code advice is to give at least 1.5m whilst overtaking cyclists.

[@KillerBill1953]

That applies in the UK, also when passing parked vehicles to allow for some cretin opening their door without looking.

[@caz3502]

Well, your country is a lot bigger than the UK isn't it

[@BullockGavin]

I think someone who should not have been driving was in the bmw .that’s how they didn’t come forward.....

[@SeanPearceUK]

Perhaps - we'll never know... Either should not have been driving that car, at all, or already had a "full license"... I must admit I'd never really thought of the first two!

[@hermanhandlebars2687]

Why would you think his reaction would be like that? Did you acknowledge him stopping at the end? Did your smile come across misconstrued as something else?

[@SeanPearceUK]

I *always* give an acknowledgement when somebody gives priority... AND when they don't - with a raised left hand (maintaining contact with the wheel) and a smile & nod. In this case I also gave a "slow down, please" as he was clearly speeding on approach. Do you think his reaction was appropriate to that?

[@SeanPearceUK]

@ricky gore Wow, you're something special aren't you?

[@KillerBill1953]

BMW? Says everything in my experience. I've been told they have to go on a special driving course where they learn how to drive like tw&ts and park anywhere they can find that inconveniences other people. Prove me wrong. My advice as a self-defence teacher is not to engage with bad drivers in any way at all, just let them get on with it, don't wave, don't gesture, don't even say anything if they can see your face. True story: a friend of mine became engaged in a road rage incident in Essex. They both pulled into a lay-by, my friend behind the other car. He left his car and walked towards the other driver's window, which was down. As he looked inside he saw the man reach for something inside the door compartment. He chinned the man, knocking him out and looked inside. The man had been pulling a gun. Don't engage in any way.

[@SeanPearceUK]

Whilst I accept there are some nutters out there - I don't see why we should be too afraid to pass on our thoughts in a "nice" manner, and expect people to react in a "normal" manner e.g. a giving them nice "thank you" nod and hand palm for being courteous and restrained - often also given where the other driver has NOT exercised those attributes! It is never done so aggressively or in a demeaning manner... We all live and learn and make the occasional mistake requiring a reprimand whether self or from the 3rd party, and "accept" that without getting angry about the situation... Such events would NEVER see me, at least, getting to a situation where the car is exited like your friend!

[@deltech7603]

He's driving a BMW. Say no more.

[@SeanPearceUK]

:-)

[@1ns4ne1d10t]

He's driving a Rover 400 with a convertible roof. Fun fact about the 1 series if you ever found it out. Rover MG built the prototype car as a Rover 400 and sold the design car to BMW after scrapping the idea. BMW rebadged it.... true fact

[@davidthomas9165]

Good for you - shame they didn't catch the idiot driver but good result still. Stay safe.

[@SeanPearceUK]

Thanks.

[@cashw55]

Feels threatened. Goes back round hoping to see the bmw again.

[@SeanPearceUK]

Purpose was to discover if he lived nearby and that my son and his friends were still safe. Most likely he went into the leisure centre.

[@butterfly-bw6cx]

I thought that. Why go back? I notice the reason you gave about seeing if kids were alright, were second to trying to find the driver. Just be the bigger man and let it go

[@WeeShoeyDugless]

Have you got kids? I would've done exactly the same thing and your trivial observation mentioning the fact the guy said he went back to see if he could see the car before mentioning his kid really is scraping the barrel. Do you drive a BMW?

[@cashw55]

@@WeeShoeyDugless yeah let's judge people on the car they drive.

[@WeeShoeyDugless]

@@cashw55 Yup, tells a whole lot about a person.

[@jonnewman7120]

Must have been rag week,don’t take it personally

[@SeanPearceUK]

😁

[@eddieingalls534]

My gut feeling is that the police would not do anything had he come forward, they were just checking his right to drive and insurance (going for the easy crimes). The fact his mother or wife/girl took the hit indicates this. The only prosecution here is failing to notify the driver, not dangerous or careless driving. They have decided her fine and offence is less costly than his would have been. (No licence and no insurance is big). On the event, I am not sure why the poster felt the need to signal to the other driver to slow down. For he did stop, he did give way. Am not convinced he was speeding, loud exhausts often mean less power! Of course, the other driver's reaction was infantile. But before the 'wave' no-one was hurt, no-one was being reckless.

[@SeanPearceUK]

Your gut feeling is wrong. They fully intended to prosecute for Dangerous Driving, and they did prosecute for failing to name the driver. > They have decided her fine and offence is less costly than his would have been. "Less costly" to whom? > On the event, I am not sure why the poster felt the need to signal to the other driver to slow down. Because he was speeding excessively when he turned into the junction - and, given the congestion of the road, the fact that kids flit between the houses on the right, and the playing area on the left. Not to mention that there is a leisure center in close proximity - it was an indication to "keep his speed down" not "slow down" (which he obviously and as you point out, already had done!). > For he did stop, he did give way. He didn't "give way" - he had no right of priority, and stopped as he should have; seemingly reluctantly given his following attitude, ironically getting him to his destination slower than had he just continued. > Am not convinced he was speeding, loud exhausts often mean less power! It wasn't a "loud exhaust", rather his observed approaching speed that indicated he was speeding. > Of course, the other driver's reaction was infantile. Totally agreed. A wave, a smile from me... followed by An angry hoot, angry reverse, angry overtake (already two abreast), brake test, reverse, mouthful of abuse, and speeding off again... > But before the 'wave' no-one was hurt, no-one was being reckless. As above - given the fact I had dropped my son off at the park - with his friends houses opposite, congested road, high potential he and his friends could be crossing that road... There is no need for excessive speed (not even the posted limit!). There was a huge potential risk there.

[@welshman64]

BMW was in the wrong the other cars right of way. And the BMW did not have the optional extra indicator lights..🚗🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@SeanPearceUK]

It had the requisite b[p]rick on the accelerator pedal, and loose nut behind the steering wheel! 😂

[@1ns4ne1d10t]

Sadly Rover MG did design the 1 series to have indicators. Weather BMW fitted them or not was another story. I would be so angry if I bought a German car with a stupid price tag to find out it was a Rover 45. But thats what you get for buying the lowest BMW series number with the cheapest car they make with less bodyshell and less metal then other BMW's. Buying a 1 series is like buying Waitrose essentials at the bottom of the Waitrose shelf which are only 5 pence more than standard Tesco products with all the fancier better items above.

[@alexhawes6690]

I used to live near there, I guess a few idiots spoil it for everyone

[@SeanPearceUK]

I guess this kind of thing can, and does, happen anywhere. It's incredible both how many road users are completely unaware of the surroundings, and complete numpties when (even with a smile) they cannot be "man enough" to realise their own errors of judgement.

[@01matthewc]

Big man isn't he, letting a woman take the rap for his idiocy.

[@SeanPearceUK]

Absolutely.

[@Bulldogrunner]

Shouldn’t have antagonised him asking him to slow down, no need to get involved.

[@SeanPearceUK]

I don't believe I *antagonised* him in any way - if one cannot act responsibly and according to prevailing conditions; and accept the occasional (nice) gesture from another motorist - one should not be driving at all, IMO! 😁

[@Bulldogrunner]

@@SeanPearceUK so if you didn’t gesture would they have still followed you?

[@MrBritGrit]

Whilst his subsequent actions were wrong..It was clearly initiated by you..he pulled in and gave you right of way ..for you to make a smug comment..

[@SeanPearceUK]

Whilst I agree he did pull over and "give way" where I clearly already had priority anyway (how very noble of him!), he was clearly speeding on approach. A wave and smile was the result (as I *always* give in such circumstances, and more often than not when somebody inevitably doesn't!), and with the mouthing of "slow down". Do you *really* think that to any normal person, that "initiates" the actions which he took? (Reference Highway Code re: There is no such things as "Right of way", only "giving way" and who has priority 😉: www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/general-rules-techniques-and-advice-for-all-drivers-and-riders-103-to-158#:~:text=The%20rules%20in%20The%20Highway,help%20to%20avoid%20an%20incident.)

[@johnjohn-ni1sq]

Why did you drive round to see if he lived there ? You had he’s licence,seems like you was looking for trouble

[@SeanPearceUK]

Main reason was that I knew I'd need to return later to pick up my son; and check he (and his friends) were unaffected. I wasn't "looking for trouble" because it is obvious I didn't follow him into the leisure center. It's a free country - I suppose I am free to drive on any public road I wish to? 😁

[@oddball1711]

At 2:17 you can see the drivers face.

[@SeanPearceUK]

Indeed. The police did consider that - and that the registered keeper was female so obviously not driving... She still refused to disclose the driver - and pretty much we assume her Son rather than Husband as he looks a bit younger. Unfortunately, they cannot prosecute on that basis alone.

[@2024-s2n]

That video could send a glass eye to sleep

[@SeanPearceUK]

😂

[@benjaminsavage4204]

You need to put your effort into petitioning the council to widen your road surface. You can't fit a hand cart down there Lol Don't put it into instructing people who are giving way to you.

[@SeanPearceUK]

It's not "my road" it was a road I was driving on; and the primary issue wasn't the space or whether he (rightly) let me maintain priority; but his inappropriate speed on approach, the other prevailing conditions; and ultimately his completely childish reaction to a small, friendly gesture (which included further speeding, dangerous driving and threatening behaviour). 🤦‍♀🤷‍♂ 🙂

[@jasoncarter8942]

ROAD RAGE ON A 62 YEAR OLD MAN This took place on the 21/10/2020 at 10:51 time and date stamped front and back camera. No idea why this guy was so angry today maybe the fact I was doing 39mph in a 40mph keeping up with traffic as you can see there is car in front of me i must have slowed him down? if you look at the rear view camera when he stops next to the old man driving to shout his foul words over at the 62 YEAR OLD driver, (how sad some people are) The car behind the van almost hits the van as there was no warning causing him to swerve into the bus lane, 1st you can hear the abuse he gives the old man then as he races off he almost hits another stationery car in his lane. @uwu8 rear view camera @mNjQ front view camera

[@SeanPearceUK]

From the same car? Where are your vids - or did you post to the wrong place? Oh, I see your vids now from your own page... I'd report that to the police too - but they do ask that the footage is not posted on social media before a case is concluded.

[@jasoncarter8942]

@@SeanPearceUK Fook the police they are a waste of time thats why name and shame the guy was crazy our driver has not been on the road since worried about other drivers...

[@SeanPearceUK]

​@@jasoncarter8942 Absolutely the opposite - if you read the description in my video. If you report an incident to the police, with Video evidence (Thames Valley, and I assume others, have a site for reporting and uploading evidence), they are DUTY BOUND to investigate. It might take time, but they will investigate and contact you! I reported mine as a "fire and forget" - to get it off my chest as I was so incensed... I was taken by complete surprise a couple of months later when the investigating officer contacted me and told me they were intent on prosecution based on the video evidence. HOWEVER, I did NOT post up anything elsewhere in public until the conclusion of the court case, which resulted in a satisfactory outcome; despite the driver was too cowardly to have HIS day in court (his "mum" took the rap instead!). Also note that the reason this video is "so long" is that they will insist on 2 minutes unedited coverage either side of the incident - to ensure that your own actions were not in any way "inciting" the incident...

[@BigEvan96]

BMW drivers amirite?

[@SeanPearceUK]

Well, we shouldn't paint them *all* with the same brush.... Should we!? 😉

[@Turn12335]

What was it do you think, that antagonised him so much?

[@SeanPearceUK]

I have no idea! A wave & a smile? 🤷

[@Turn12335]

@@SeanPearceUK some people have a short fuse I guess

[@stephensmith5118]

Well what more do expect from a beamer driver ?

[@SeanPearceUK]

Indeed! :-)

[@1ns4ne1d10t]

Don't you mean the Rover 400 that BMW bought from Rover MG and rebadged it as the 1 series. Like what Porsche did with the 924 and 944 turbo buying a common Volkswagen that never went ahead as a finished product and stuck the LT van engine in the 924? BMW never designed this car or made the prototype. Rover MG did... A Fun fact BMW owners will never know about the 1 series they drive.

[@simongibbs2986]

Sorry but you cut a junction just like that last driver 😂

[@SeanPearceUK]

What do you mean "cut a junction"? You think at approx. 2.55? I can assure you I did not 😁😁The wide angle lens is deceptive - but if you follow the lines as I straighten it is clear they are to the right - I don't need to continue to "drive over" to get them to my right, as would be the case if it were cut. As an Advanced Driver / National Observer / RoSPA Tutor - we train and coach never to cut such corners; even *if* observed to be clear (when it is always tempting to do so). It's a very bad practice because the one time you *don't* fully observe - is the time it may be occupied! 😎😎

[@john-de5vf]

The mug was probably just dropping off some drugs 🤡

[@SeanPearceUK]

Paracetamol, probably. 🤣

[@brianhurkett5128]

Another up tight Audi driver who thinks they own the road..

[@SeanPearceUK]

It was a Beemer! But your comment still stands :)

[@iansendall9368]

Another member of the "I've got a german car so I'm more important than you and am entitled to drive like a cock....who doesn't indicate" club.

[@1ns4ne1d10t]

Rover 400! God I hate it when people call the 1 series a BMW. It was rebadged as a BMW.

[@Biggazzygaz]

What a disappointment

[@SeanPearceUK]

The driver of the BMW certainly was :-)

[@butterfly-bw6cx]

Was that it?!

[@SeanPearceUK]

Yup - total overreaction to a tiny error in judgement == threats and dangerous driving == conviction. :)

[@TheRCBiker]

@@SeanPearceUK Not quite true that though is it? The conviction was to the registered keeper for failing to identify driver. For all you know the driver might've just got a written warning if he was named (Yes, that does happen).

[@SeanPearceUK]

Yes it is true. They fully intended to persecute the driver for dangerous driving.

[@Farside2024]

Great outcome 👍 just shows it can be worth reporting and sending off your footage!! A grand!!!!! Hahahaha

[@SeanPearceUK]

Indeed. Though would have been better to take the driver!

[@welshman64]

Just a poxxy bmw 1 series, fastest cars in the world, I don’t think so .

[@SeanPearceUK]

Doesn't take the most powerful car to go over 30 in a 30 - perhaps where 20ish is safer.

[@TheRCBiker]

Just as bad as each other. Easily avoided by just pulling over and letting him pass, not proceeding any further until he disappeared. You continuing and allowing the situation to escalate caused far more danger than his apparent "speeding" did in the first place. I also found it quite amusing that despite you toodling past the park the first time (justified by all the invisible children that are going to just jump out of empty cars), you seemed it fit to go past twice the speed the second time when you were "looking for him" . Pot kettle black springs to mind!

[@SeanPearceUK]

Not really. I was in the correct lane, going about my own business, he sped past and made a dick of himself. No reason for me to stop and cause further obstruction? The drive back around was to see if he'd parked up locally, for evidence. I presume he went into the leisure centre; if I'd done it for confrontation, I'd have gone into the leisure centre! The children were there in the park, alright; I'd just dropped off my own son to meet with some friends; some of whom live directly opposite. So yes there is a very high chance of them crossing back and forth to the park. In any case - an appropriate conviction was made & ultimately I'm happy with the result. The police did not see any fault in my driving at all, and I had 2-3 discussions with them during the course of the case. The reason the video is so long (I could for instance have just posted the crucial 30 seconds), is because evidentially, they need to see the clear 2 mins before and after, basically showing that your not also a total prat or inciting the incident... Something I strongly suspect most others posting short snippets of incident vids are perhaps themselves guilty of.

[@pineapplepenumbra]

"Just as bad as each other." You've got to be kidding me? How the hell does SP's driving and attitude anywhere near equal that of the berk in the other car? I hope you don't have kids, because you're going to blaming them both equally when one is just beating the other up for no reason!

[@jimmyjazz1570]

great observation

[@charlierobert3571]

It was hardly road rage , it seems that you like to get involved in trouble that's why you drove around looking for him ,you both are as bad as each other ,grow up

[@SeanPearceUK]

Thames Valley Police disagree with you, entirely - why they prosecuted! :D

[@charlierobert3571]

Petty, low grade , they most probably done him for driving around like a kid but road rage it is not

[@SeanPearceUK]

Pray tell how you think I was the "instigator"? Please explain the corruption you think has taken place with the police?

[@AB-wg1ol]

@@SeanPearceUK I've a feeling rixky and charlie are bum-boys of mr.angry

[@SeanPearceUK]

@@AB-wg1ol Ricky for sure.

[@richardaustin8467]

On the other hand you do appear to be driving towards the BMW in a 30mph area at around 13mph...

[@SeanPearceUK]

And? It's a limit, not a target. Given the heavily congested parking to the right, the fact that I know my sons friends live I there, and there are kids playing on the left (not to mention checking he's met up with his friends), totally warrants sub 20 in my experience?

[@SeanPearceUK]

It's not a 20MPH zone, it's a 30. But never the less - the posted limit does not always represent a safe speed, given the hazards.

[@richardaustin8467]

So the BMW driver's road rage is the issue he's been prosecuted for but overall you're not the greatest driver. Speeding up to 42kph ie a tad over 30mph to try and overtake the bike, then the same speed same spot on your fishing trip. And if vehicles parked on one side of a road means 'heavily congested' to you, I presume you usually drive on the Scilly Isles. And driving at almost a third of the limit to check on your son playing with his mates? I think you're not entirely blameless in this and all your spurious justifications show that.

[@SeanPearceUK]

@flip inheck 100% sure. The speed limit is only reduced when the posted limit says so. Traffic calming does not imply a speed limit. That's obviously not saying that 30 is always the safe speed in a 30 nor to negotiate the humps. If you disagree, please show me the highway code rule and law which states otherwise.

[@SeanPearceUK]

@@richardaustin8467 42kmh is a tad over 26 mph. I initially go for the overtake on the cyclist, but drop way back and give plenty of room when I see the approaching vehicles. The wide angle of the camera does tend to distort the forward distance. P. S. I'm advanced driver and qualified National Observer with IAM RoadSmart, and an approved tutor with RoSPA advanced drivers (having passed the advanced driving test every 3 years for past 10 with a full gold standard); I dedicate my weekends by volunteering my time to tutoring others to improve their road safety most weekends. Nobody's perfect and I don't claim to be. 😁

[@lfcwilli]

You seem like busy one, not your place to tell people anything

[@SeanPearceUK]

Huh!? Not my place to express an opinion?

[@rm-ih1ns]

shit'e 2019 aSS double haTT !

[@SeanPearceUK]

Yep, he certainly was! 🤣

[@neilbobbett]

Another ⚽️💼 in a bmw

[@SeanPearceUK]

Ball case? Like it! 😆

[@paulm1162]

Amazing the trivia that constitutes an offence yoday

[@SeanPearceUK]

Dangerous driving is not trivial.

[@siriosstar4789]

What ? That was nothing and YOU escalated .

[@SeanPearceUK]

OK. Yep - "That was it"! Total overreaction by the BMW driver. How, pray tell do you think *I* escalated anything there? 1) Did you read ALL of the description? 🤔 2) *I* disagree with you; *you* weren't there and have no context, and no history of me, my driving style (Well, other then the plenty of track day videos hereabouts, which are much better entertainment... 😁); nor my driving experience. The two minutes either side showing I'm not a *total* dick on the roads... 😂 3) The *police* disagree with you and decided to prosecute on the basis of the video evidence alone; after the first watch. 😜 Hint I'm an avid Advanced Driving tutor with both IAM and RoSPA (when times allow!), and I get re-tested every 3 years by a Class One police driver. When was the last time *you* took an extended & advanced driving test? (Kudos if you too are an AD!). In any case, I would seriously like to understand your thinking - context is everything! 😎 Part of being an AD tutor (and attitude towards becoming a qualified AD) is understanding other road users' *behaviours*, including your own. I like to think I generally know right from wrong, when to anticipate bad scenarios, and when to abate (which is often and frequent given the general standards of driving on our roads!) That said, we're all human and prone to errors and misjudgements. I also try to realise when *I* make a mistake, and gracefully accept admonishment where it is deserved (usually self-served!); and learn from the experience "what could *I* have done differently). I debated and was so incensed with this particular driver's behaviour that I saved the video and reported to the police "just to get it of my chest". Nobody was more surprised when I received the call from the police investigating officers with the news of NIP and my own statement outside of the video evidence. Not to mention the pretty in-depth ensuing discussion I have with the investigating officer, of my driving and reaction to the event. The action of the other driver in this case was dangerous; in my eyes, and those of the investigating police officer, I did NOTHING to escalate or provoke *that* kind of ridiculous reaction from a simple smile and mouthing of "slow down"... Honestly - if *I'd* slammed on my brakes, rolled down my window, shouted abuse and gave a "handful of coffee beans" shake; then I may have deserved it & yes we'd be just about equals! I generally smile and acknowledge with a brief non aggressive "oops" flash of the hand when I *am* at fault, in some way; we're not infallible; it does happen when there are lapses of attention or anticipation - more often then I'd like!). However, more often than not I also react the same - when I'm not at fault, which was the case in hand (and pretty common when the opposing vehicles "speed to overtake the opposing nearside parked cars, and find that gap which doesn't exist!) Smiling at somebody else in error often invokes a "thought process" thereafter. 😁

[@siriosstar4789]

@@SeanPearceUK" how pray tell do you think i escalated anything there ?" Seriously ? you went looking for him and your reply is a case in point . 😂

[@SeanPearceUK]

@@siriosstar4789 So what part of "went looking for him", does that constitute an "escalation" of the situation? What escalated and what outcome changed? What part of my prior reply is a "case in point" - what does that even mean?

[@socalguy829]

@@siriosstar4789 the fact you think this incident was "nothing" shows how far driving standards have fallen. yes,no-one was injured but the complete overreaction of BMW driver is psychotic, using vehicle as a weapon

[@WeeShoeyDugless]

@@socalguy829 Ain't no fixing stupid.

[@bensims7501]

You "gave a smile"!??? A patronising/antagonising one?

[@SeanPearceUK]

Pray tell what is a patronising / antagonising smile? One of these, perhaps? 😁

[@jimmyjazz1570]

@@SeanPearceUK you do seem the kind of person who attracts punches TBH

[@SeanPearceUK]

@@jimmyjazz1570 🥊🙃

[@jimmyjazz1570]

@@SeanPearceUK Yep, seems like I'm not the first to say that

[@seejay9264]

Your fault, don’t do some passive aggressive movements “ told him to slow down (with a smile)” and then zoom off yourself and then act the victim.. drivers like you are why road rage is a thing. You should of just kept it moving sunshine

[@SeanPearceUK]

Not sure how you determined "told" from "said" which is, at best "ask" or "zoom off" - do you imply I speed (check speed from the GPS!). I disagree that I am an inducer of road rage; I am careful, safe, self critical and accept responsibility when mistakes are made (nobody's perfect)... I don't go driving dangerously, chasing after folk and getting convictions - for my mum! 😁

[@kateh3718]

It is not their fault that the other person is a psycho

[@seejay9264]

@@SeanPearceUK respect to mums and that, but that was some passive aggressive move.. so you didn’t do some sarcastic smile and a wave to infuriate an already angry typical bmw asshole

[@BigTiffany]

This is fart sniffing public servant behaviour from both parts spend to much time in a box and on the internet.

[@SeanPearceUK]

🤷😂