Road Safety is NOT Your Responsibility

[@NameePark]

We all need to teleport 🥹🥹

[@blanaobla]

frfr

[@theuncalledfor]

Or you could just build public transit, like freaking Europe.

[@oscarmessina1366]

​@@theuncalledforYes but where? Here in Milan Is more easy bcs Is more compact. There in the usa? It depend.

[@Positive-Vibes-77]

I've been saying this since I turned 18 that I wish I could teleport, because it would save so much gas and therefore money... if only, if only

[@noodledoodle9408]

With shunting, maybe. I am in no mood to get telefragged or portalcut usually.

[@Rabijeel]

As my Mom taught me when I pointed out she'd been in the Right and would not have to Stop at that Crossroad: "There is nothing gained when "I was in the right!" is chiseled in your Tombstone. The World is full of Idiots."

[@jackrakken4127]

Exactly! He makes excellent points by showing the flaws in our system and how we got here as well as some things we can improve. But he fails to understand that even with all that corpo BS the individuals safety is STILL in the hands of the individual. It might not have been morally right for moneyhungry corpos to be the ones to spread that message ( In fact it's a little jading) but it doesn't make it any less true. Your safety IS your responsibility.

[@supersaiyangodsupersaiyanm7886]

​@@jackrakken4127you should like someone who hits and runs requiently.

[@ShaimingLong]

@@jackrakken4127 Even so, your ability to keep yourself safe has a limit. There are so many things completely out of an individual's control that could be made better with a safer environment. For a personal example, as part of my commute I need to cross two motorway access junctions. There's no light system and no pavement on the other side of the road. There have been many times I've been late because it hasn't been safe to cross for 10~20 minutes. I've almost been hit a few times because someone stopped to let me cross and some impatient driver behind decided to go around the stopped vehicle. There have been *many* times I've been crossing the on-ramp junction as no passing vehicles have been signalling, only for someone to turn unexpectedly and despite wearing a hi-vis jacket they don't notice me - and of course they have to make it out to be me that's in the wrong. Granted, some people do need to do a whole lot better at being more aware. How so many people just start crossing a street without looking astounds me.

[@crassirus]

@@jackrakken4127 The fact that people have to fight for their lives when crossing the road should probably be the bigger concern for you here. I know we emphasize individualism in the US but I also know you're smart enough to not be miopic about how, at the system/collective level, foul play has made it so pedestrians are forced to do all kinds of things to beg for their safety. Walk sign buttons instead of having a dedicated crossing period during a stoplight cycle, high-vis vests, waving around flags etc. The goalposts for pedestrians have been moving forever and will continue to move.

[@jackrakken4127]

@@crassirus bruh I prefaced my argument by saying he made valuable points how we could do better. And I do believe that we have the leeway to do better on this front as a culture. Your points were good too. I just jabbed him for saying the individuals safety is the collectives responsibility when it's not. Your safety is your responsibility. Other people caring about your safety is a kindness afforded to you through good ideological upbringing in our society and laws. But safety is not a human right and shouldn't be spoken about like one. And it should be pointed out whenever people talk about it like one so others don't build their worldview on a dangerously flawed logic.

[@samuelsoliday4381]

I actually had a conversation about traffic with my mom and dad before. "First rule of the road. You do not trust others to follow the rules of the road. Second rule of the road. You DO NOT TRUST OTHERS TO FOLLOW THE RULES OF THE ROAD!!!"

[@Flare-s3c]

Here where I am we have a joke that no matter what kind of road you're crossing you should look left, right and up. Truth be told it's become a reflex for me to swing my head around even if the road I'm crossing is blocked due to roadworks or only goes one way.

[@OriginalUnjustifier]

@@Flare-s3c Now I have the mental image of you looking both ways, starting to cross, and a semi-truck just barrels out of the sky and piledrives you into the pavement. Fully cartoon-ified of course, you walk away sounding like an accordion.

[@BrightWulph]

Sounds like what my driving instructor said, "it's not you you need to worry about, it's everyone else."

[@SevenTheMisgiven]

@@Flare-s3c *Always* left-right-left regardless of traffic direction. Right-left-right if you live in a nation with left handed traffic I suppose. :) It's sad because people actually don't have this 1 rule down. Just yesterday I nearly barreled over a kid on my bicycle because he just turned into my path without indicating or looking at all. When he saw me he stopped in the middle of the road and I made a spin on my bike. Can't believe how stupid some people are. Children or not. Honestly, music in traffic should become an illegal offense. Even radio should probably be banned as well but let's start with headphones. Too many people telling themselves they can *lalaland* all the way to their jobs and back home without a care in the world, while living in one of the more densely packed cities in Europe.

[@theturquoisedream9244]

Damn skippy!

[@Sunflowrrunner]

I'm a long distance runner, and I can not tell you how many times I've almost been hit going through intersections, usually with stop sign. Doesn't matter if I'm in fluorescent colors, have reflective strips on my pack, a headlight when it's dark. Wide intersections are by far the worst. Allowing right-on-red is also a huge pedestrian hazard because people don't look, and they're coming up behind me.

[@gircakes2]

I feel like if a pedestrian triggers the crosswalk, there should be an indication that right on reds are temporarily not allowed. I also noticed that some intersections will give traffic a green light while a pedestrian is crossing on their left, which basically assumes that nobody is taking a left turn.

[@moroteseoinage]

Maybe don’t play in traffic 🤷‍♂️

[@jonathangonzalez7746]

@@gircakes2 The town where my uni is actually has an intersection like that, but sadly it is not standard across the US :(

[@davidwright7193]

@@gircakes2No Running People Over on Red should be banned outright. That needs a change at federal level.

[@MegaLokopo]

just carry a loud horn and whistle while you are wearing the safety vest and waving the flag, that way they can see and hear you, before they hit you.

[@Somerandomguy524]

How the hell does a driver not stop at a pedestrian crossing? if you hit a pedestrian in a crossing here you will automatically be considered at fault.

[@Worldofourown2024]

Selfish me me me jackasses that know most intersections don't have cameras. I noticed most people, if not nearly all, respect others where they see or think there are cameras, but have little respect for one another where they know isn't a camera. How did civilization keep driving on without cameras until the 21st century? When I was growing up in the 70's through 90's, most people respected each other yet there weren't cameras nor anyone watching most the time. I call it, country fucked and almost over with the vibe of collapse and civil war, probably world war for America is a real piece of work.

[@Star_Rattler]

ive seen videos from people where there are signs stating it's state law to yield to pedestrians and more than 90% of cars did not stop, EVEN WITH a yellow jacket and a crossing flag. the thing about cars is people think cars have the right of way because theyre bigger and faster.

[@BaldCoryxKenshinfan]

They don’t even stop when buses are dropping off kids from schools. People will still try to drive through, even though a kid is exiting a bus and the bus has A STOP SIGN, popping out from the side. Even the police don’t care. The amount of times, I’ve almost gotten hit by police cars by exiting a school bus, in middle school.. They simply do not care and that’s why I’m afraid of getting a car.. 😭😟

[@Worldofourown2024]

@@BaldCoryxKenshinfan I know it's bad when people aren't yield to kids getting off the school bus and walking. I use city buses in Salt Lake not able to afford driving while most people do drive. Half of them won't yield to pedestrians when we have walk lights at intersections. Half of the people here and all around the world are bad selfish greedy people with mental disorders so the standard of living in falling for most for law and order is declining. During more traditional times, America was the rock that united us all. It was the great hope of humanity as humanity's 2nd great chance to save and unite our world in peace and prosperity, but it's broken in the 21st century and going down the toilet. We'll end up using the guns on one another. It's so dreadful, ridiculous and hateful.

[@Worldofourown2024]

@@joea9608 Sure you look left right left, but aggressive drivers come at you quick failing to yield out of selfishness and anger having something to do with mental health disorders some suffer. I'm not talking about walking around in a small town though it's too easy to get hit and killed for no one expects anyone to be walking in a largely car based setting. I'm talking about metropolitan cities from Salt Lake to St. Louis to NYC where streets are multilane broad avenues with traffic signals such as walk lights along with cycling lanes and a more organized infrastructure that isn't supposed to be the law of the jungle.

[@SilentVinyl]

The roadrage that some drivers have is insane

[@MFS45]

Which country are you in? You should see how bad it is in America, people are INSANE.

[@SilentVinyl]

@@MFS45 I am from Finland and I thought some drivers were crazy here but it seems that it is so much worse in the America.

[@MFS45]

@@SilentVinyl If you want some crazy numbers, in 2022 a road rage induced shooting occurred every 16 hours, and it's trending worse in 2023, apparently. So many people here are mentally ill and on the verge of snapping, it's really scary

[@Ghost-bv9uj]

@@MFS45 Really?! That's terrible!

[@ihatecabbage7270]

We Americans are road ragers.

[@gytan2221]

In the UK, you are free to jaywalk, it’s not against the law. This shows that pedestrians are the priority before cars

[@Jackie-rs6yc]

When I visited Liverpool and London, I was shocked to see everyone just crossing the street without looking at the crosswalk signal. There was even a man who just ran across the road only to be nearly crashed into by a van, which the man cursed at. This happened at Liverpool's city center, where the road was only two lanes wide. It's pretty insane how people are prioritized a lot less in the US, despite there being a lot more people living there.

[@kailahmann1823]

@@Jackie-rs6yccrossing a regular two-lane road just by looking for a gap in traffic is completely normal in Europe. And when you can't cross fast enough, then a driver has to wait. Crosswalks are only for the convenience of pedestrians: Because there drivers HAVE to stop. Only on larger roads you need to use a crosswalk - not because it's a law, but just because finding a gap is much more difficult.

[@carultch]

Is the leading cause of death of US tourists in the UK, still crossing the street?

[@BeTeK11]

I actually though that jaywalking was just a Hollywood trope for longest time :D (Hi from Finland)

[@TomWatson-vu6fj]

@@kailahmann1823 In Europe. Of course! Because Europe is this one homogenous country where everything is the same. I can tell you in Germany, people don’t jaywalk but wait at the lights, and drivers would get mad….

[@harutakami1313]

and then there's towns like mine that *removed* a pedestrian bridge *next to a school* because they didn't want to deal with the maintenance costs.

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

How many exp does running kids ocer give you? Go for the highscore jk

[@KW-tx6er]

​@@youtubestudiosucks978??? Speak English

[@rocker8890]

@@youtubestudiosucks978around 10-200, low but they are REALLY abundant!

[@olejniczak12]

Mine did the same. the busy intersection nearby is going to be replaced with a roundabout next year. Still no word on how kids are going to cross the busy street.

[@bozhidardimitrov3573]

​@@olejniczak12you put a crosswalk on the entrance of the roundabout? drivers have to yield there anyway

[@aBullet4uZombie]

My favorite part about living in the United States is that you have to literally RUN across every Street if you want to feel safe. I often look left, right, left, right again, start crosssing, and before i make it halfway a car has turned a corner and accellerated to 45 mph directly at me with no intention of stopping. I think a lot of people don't realize how damaging it is to your mental health to constantly be in fear of a car flying off of the road and hitting you on a sidewalk where you're supposed to feel "safe"

[@gircakes2]

Distracted drivers are hard to design around. I got "hit" by a car in a college parking lot because the guy didn't look before trying to turn into the next row of parking spaces. Thankfully, I was able to lift my legs off the ground and grab his hood with both hands. Otherwise, he might have run over my feet. I only went because he was stopped, and I figured he'd look *both* ways before trying to pull out in a busy lot. Now, my faith in drivers has been lowered even further accordingly. That lot was a nightmare because many people refused to just park further away from the building and walk a little. They'd rather circle the closest spaces like sharks, hoping to get a spot. It was never due to a shortage of spaces.

[@badrequest5596]

never count on anyone else to have common sense, especially drivers.

[@MLWJ1993]

It's actually very easy, traffic calming avoids a lot of injuries from human errors. It's just not readily employed in the USA because it slows down car traffic...

[@Urkiaistrash]

Yeaa if someone hit me in a parking lot im pressing charges people shouldnt be driving to quick in parking lots just common sense.

[@firstletterofthealphabet7308]

give them intentional road texturing, chicanes, tight streets, and a roadside treeline, and you’ve got traffic calming.

[@MrMarinus18]

Difficult but not impossible. One way to do it is to make the lane narrow with a secondary curb which punishes drivers if they don't pay attention. Including sudden sharp turns also helps. But also having pedestrians have to go that close to a car is a design problem. Pedestrians should be guided around cars. One way they do it is by avoiding large open spaces. Try to segments parking spaces into units and have lanes within them. Making lanes within the parking lot also stops them from circling the closest spot cause they will not have space as they will have to join a long line. It also helps cause it serves as a bottleneck to spread out the leaving of cars which prevents trouble further down in a similar way to roundabouts.

[@themisterchristie]

We also have to look at the attitudes of people and society in general. Long work hours, busy lives, and only so many hours in a day, we end up with people rushing around, leading to poor choices. That includes car drivers, cyclists, pedestrians, etc. When you live in a society where everything has to be done quickly because there is more to do, problems happen. This is partially made worse by changes to cost of living without an appropriate change to wages leading to people working extra jobs to make ends meet and that also leads to increased rushing and poorer concentration, including the possibility of falling asleep on the subway or at the wheel.

[@Urkiaistrash]

MERICA

[@ORLY911]

i think geography is another reason we have these big roads, even if we put safety first and tried weaning car dependency, it's still a long drive between cities which people often need to do for work. America is a large country, it's not densely packed like Europe or Japan. To fully solve the problem you would have to make cities closer together with living spaces closer to commercial and industrial zones, and if you're not one of the big cities that already has that then good luck. That also has its own negatives to consider.

[@OzixiThrill]

@@ORLY911 The raw statistics disagree with you on that. Most people drive 5 miles or less on the daily. Mitigate that issue and suddenly you no longer have frustrated long distance drivers having to rush to mitigate rush-hour traffic. "To fully solve the problem you would have to make cities closer together with living spaces closer to commercial and industrial zones" The actual solution, that most people with their head screwed on right, will tell you that the solution is mixed zoning. Allow small grocery stores into the suburbs. Some gyms, a GP's office, a few hobby stores. BAM suddenly people don't need to drive everywhere. And that would solve a LOT in the US. And I do, genuinely mean a LOT; Including better social cohesion, higher quality food, better personal health, better traffic across cities themselves. Knock-on effects from those. The USA would go from a shithole where most people live paycheck to paycheck and become mostly the country it's advertising itself as.

[@LilacMonarch]

@@OzixiThrill Another big problem to be addressed which largely prevents mixed zoning, is a lack of sufficient anti-competitive prevention. Small stores struggle to exist because larger ones massively outprice them or straight up buy them out. Large companies buy up huge amounts of real estate and housing, making it unaffordable for people to even live there. Suburbs are crowded with overpriced cookie-cutter nearly-mansion sized houses and lots rather than reasonable housing.

[@AV57]

Yeah, at first glance getting in your own personal car and driving directly home seems like the fastest possible option. But when everyone tries to do it, it winds up being one of the slowest options.

[@JasonWood100]

Also a density problem here in the us. The fact that in many cities and towns you can't reasonable walk to everywhere you need to go on a regular basis forces expensive car ownership on people who would prefer to not spend their hard earned money on a depreciating asset.

[@Novusod]

America is a big country with a lot of things spread far apart. You can't realistically walk or cycle to job that is 30 or 40 miles away in a place where transit is practically non existent.

[@ErutaniaRose]

I dunno if it's density so much as it is suburban sprawl--but I get what you mean. As someone who cannot drive due to disabilities and has to rely on someone else to get to a grocery store, therapy, Dr's office, school, etc. it really ticks me off.

[@Jackie-rs6yc]

@@Novusod Yes, the US (not AmeRiCA) is a big country with a lot of things spread far apart. But that's the problem. Everything is INTENTIONALLY spread far apart, because of suburban sprawl. This makes walking or cycling anywhere unviable, so people have to drive cars. The US would be better off developing land well, without using every square kilometer of space just for the sake of taking up space.

[@Novusod]

@@Jackie-rs6yc America operates on the basis of the free market. People choose to live in Suburbia because it is the preferred way of living and it is a function of supply and demand. Suburbia is closely tied to our dependence on a capitalist economy. To move away from suburbia in any significant way would require transitioning to socialist economy as it would require subverting the free market.

[@OBSMProductions]

​​@@NovusodThe USDot statistics show that ~60% of drivers go less than 5 miles on any trip, which means that city/town design affects people more than the size of the country. The fact that the majority of neighborhoods don't have any local business, grocery stores, or smaller more ubiquitous schools (thanks to euclidean zoning laws) means that by design people are forced to drive as the most convenient means. The reason for the rise of car dependent suburbs was corporate industry taking advantage of the poor opinion of inner city neighborhoods in the early 20th century and cementing things into law that would change the way people live to benefit them. (Edit: The reasons why European/east Asian countries have more walkable cities is that their government recognized that it makes society more equitable, there's more consumer protection laws, also reasons explained in the video. They're also capitalist since they're still apart of the hegonomy, Socialism basically means fully democratized labor and has been only practiced in small populations.

[@strikerdoc_4205]

I had a exact situation to your friend who got hit. I was wearing bright clothes in the middle of the day, got hit by an old distracted driver and they blamed me for “not being visible enough. I was 14 at the time and lucky didn’t have any broken bones. Insurance found her at fault because where I was crossing was a “unmarked crosswalk” which I was confused about why not make it a marked walkway. But anyway people really have been taught that because they can drive a 3ton vehicle all others who can’t or don’t just have to exist around them and not get in there way.

[@GrimOxford]

Honestly most people don’t deserve to have a license to drive. I drive a 40ton , 76’ long, 8’6” wide, 13’6” tall vehicle everyday and the amount of drivers who seemingly have a death wish when they decide to cut me off to take an exit 500’ ahead LITERALLY 3-6’ in front of my bumper. It’s like they expect this behemoth to be able to literally stop on a dime. I’ve seen every kind of distracted driving you can imagine over the past 6 years. From the all too common texting or doing makeup, to all the sexual things you can imagine all while driving. It’s insane. If I had a penny for every distracted driver I saw over the years, I would’ve retired 4-5 years ago 😂

[@basquo2]

Pedestrians can always be safe. Just stay out of my way. Here's another thought..... maybe people shouldn't be living in huge ass nasty disgusting overcrowded noisy cities.

[@beefy74]

⁠@@basquo2 I know your comment is probably bait but this is not fucking true. I live in a pretty sizable town it’s not a city, but there are a lot of single-family homes in my community. The biggest problem is cars and lack of pedestrian infrastructure. Cars are prioritized every turn. every building has a shit ton of parking in front of it even if none of it is being used. At the four-lane intersections cars are always prioritized, I have to wait a couple of minutes because those air-conditioned vehicles just deserve to go before me (nearly got hit twice at the same place because turning on red is allowed despite the several deaths that have occurred on that road). sidewalks that do exist are often falling apart, compared to decently well kept roads. There was a sidewalk project announced just to extend sidewalks and make sure that sidewalks are connected. it hasn’t started yet, but it’s taken several years for this shit to start. The mayor has done a little bit to expand parks, but it hasn’t been good enough because there are so many places in accessible by walking or biking because of four-lane roads having no sidewalk. There is so much space to build sidewalks or add bike lanes but it’s just not happening because i guess that’s only for cities with populations above 1 million.

[@ChickenSoupMusic]

All road intersections in residential areas tend to be crosswalks

[@jamesmcdonnell2455]

​@@beefy74no, you nearly got hit because apparently you don't know how to pay attention to your surroundings. I walk plenty and yet I've never been "nearly hit" by a car, even if said cars have the complete right of way. Because I'm not an idiot. Not that your argument even makes sense, because if they're light is red, then that means your pedestrian light is red. So you think you should be able to completely ignore the traffic signals in the slowest method possible, but a car shouldn't be allowed to make the shortest turn?

[@jeromebout5924]

Maybe already mentioned, but apparently “jay driver” existed before “jay walker” to refer to horse carriage drivers driving on the wrong side of the road. The automobile industry changed it to “walker” to switch the responsibility as you said 👍

[@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf]

You say this like driving on the wrong side of the road is no longer a problem Lmao

[@Jet-ij9zc]

Pretty sure driving on the wrong side of the road is still not accepted

[@teixeirastreet]

Well, if you jay walk onto a car, pretty sure it's your responsability.

[@red_skies80]

@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolfRoad Is Road!

[@harpiessnow]

"Oh no, I stepped into oncoming traffic from behind a bush where no one could see me, on an area that isn't marked or has signage of being a designated crosswalk! It's those pesky car driver's fault! I am completely innocent, and they should take responsibility for not sensing my presence from behind a bush about to step out onto the road!"

[@victorravn3075]

been living in japan for a bit over a year now on the outskirts of Tokyo. While a lot of Tokyo metro area is decently walkable, Japan definitely has its fair share of car dependency. Huge stroads and endless traffic in all directions of where i live. But ironically, once you get downtown ( Shibuya, Shinjuku, Tokyo etc. ), the traffic clears up despite being much more densely populated. This is of course due to public transit being amazing and everything being closer together.

[@bubbletea-v4717]

yeah ive noticed the same thing in poland. maybe a lot of places in warsaw are still pretty car dependant, but for example the krakow city centre ironically has more people and horse carriages than cars. In my experience the big city centres have very walkable streets with little traffic

[@michaelbujaki2462]

And the fact that you can't park even if you manage to get there.

[@someone-ji2zb]

Most "modern" countries are extremely vehicle dependent now. We don't live in an era where simply walking half a mile to work is anywhere near realistic. It is why apartments/condos closer to busy work areas are so expensive, because people would practically sell their left arm to live within walking distance. It is the downside to having "business" areas all neatly chunked together, rather than spread around. Cities and towns chose design and it has been the norm for around 80 years now.

[@Horible4]

When will people stop comparing other countries to the United States? The US is magnitudes larger, making it more expensive for public transport, and therefore making vehicle travel practically a necessity. It's unfortunate, but as it stands right now, cars are more important than pedestrians during design because walking is not efficient. Everyone wants streets to be more safer for walking but don't consider the implications of what that entails. Personally, I'm all for slashing our defense budget for countries that, frankly, are incredibly ungrateful for it in the first place in favor of investing in public transit for America. When your country leads the world by in foreign aid by a landslide and burdening a defense budget to protect other countries because they dont want to spend anything on defense, it's no wonder other countries have it better in this regard.

[@bubbletea-v4717]

@@Horible4 there are bigger countries with better public transport than the US. It has nothing to do with the countries size but everything to do with bad urban planning. US cities arent made for cars because walking is inefficient, walking is inefficient because the cities are made for cars. If walking, biking or public transport was so bad wouldnt other, developed countries try to follow in the US's footsteps?

[@Malte_OJ]

The part about parking at bars really made me think. Even cities with good public transport in Europe (or even Tokyo) often don't have 24/7 public transport, especially on weekdays. I don't expect the metro to run 24/7, but a basic night bus network would be nice.

[@danieldaniels7571]

Roads are available to drive on 24/7, why shouldn't metros also be available to ride 24/7? I need transportation at all times, so I guess the only practical answer is my car.

[@thee-sportspantheon330]

Last bus is 3:am. Buses start at 5:am. Just keep that in mind and you'll be fine.

[@danieldaniels7571]

@@thee-sportspantheon330 and what if you get off work at 3:30 am or have to be there by 5am?

[@toasterowens8916]

​@@danieldaniels7571ride a bike or wait lazy nigga😭 Seriously though, even if we had perfectly walkable cities, none is trying to ban driving, you still have the option to drive and in many countries like the Netherlands, driving is better because not everyone has to do it. The option is that you HAVE to drive in America.

[@jotunfalls4026]

dutchie here. I've never really been to a bar but I love going to cafés which are within a few minutes walk, so I expect the same to be true for bars. If you can walk there (bc theres one near your house) you dont even need public transport. Also cycling exists!

[@Italian_Isaac_Clarke]

North Americas' roads being a hellhole on Earth aside, a slow meat bag can turn and stop faster then a steel and aluminium monster.

[@jesseerven4859]

last week I was cross at a cross walk and some dude honked at me for crossing and i pointed to the sign that says STOP FOR PEDESTRAINS and the road lines and this dude just wasn't having it so I told him to stop being a baby and he stepped out the car and now I have assault charges D:

[@ThorpenAlnyr]

> I have assault charges Why you punch the guy?

[@jesseerven4859]

in my country they will charge both parties in a fight no matter who the aggressor is @@ThorpenAlnyr

[@qasimmir7117]

@@ThorpenAlnyr Perhaps it was self defence considering the guy got out of his car and proceeded towards the pedestrian. It would be reasonable to assume the purpose of this would be to commit a violent act considering the strong disagreement over the situation.

[@stackflow343]

​@@qasimmir7117someone stepping out of their car to yell at you isn't a violent act

[@jesseerven4859]

@@stackflow343 he also has assault charges it doesn’t matter who provoked the fight in my country you will be charged for the damage you have done

[@Rekuzan]

There's a town in the Neterlands that actually removed all road signs, causing drivers to slow down and pay more attention to the roads because the auto-pilot part of their brain that is used to seeing them passively is now actively paying attention.

[@reinhard8053]

We also have some areas in the center of smaller villages or around a university where they did that and put everyone (including cars) on the same level. You need to drive slower and watch everything so they are safer.

[@necrobabe6190]

But here in the US if we did that and something happens people will say "there should be a sign there to warn drivers/pedestrians" because they are so coddled it enables their stupidity that they feel they need a literal warning label for everything. Just like the recent I-55 pileup people in comments saying put warning signs, shut it down, etc. Instead of "hey visibility is bad I should slow down and/or get off at the next ramp". I will never understand how or why someone needs to be TOLD to.

[@reinhard8053]

@@necrobabe6190 In Germany §3 says more or less you should only drive as fast as the circumstances (weather, light, road conditions...) allow. And we have the Right before Left rule which handles everything without a sign. In another video (US) something not lightened was on the highway at night and everybody wrote: that shouldn't be there, I can't avoid a crash, because I can't brake that fast. Nobody came to the idea to drive slower if it is dark and the lights don't reach that far.

[@bozhidardimitrov3573]

​@@reinhard8053i feel like waaaaay too few ppl understand the speed limit is a limit and not some kind of recommendation. As u said, one should judge their speed on the circumstances, even if the limit is 50, i won't go faster than 25 if there's no visibility and the danger of pedestrian jumping in front

[@justseffstuff3308]

2:58 "Trying to rely on personal choices and individual responsibility" kinda sums up American politics. If anything goes wrong, no matter what, it's blamed on the person, not the system. They pretend like the system is just a fact of life we all have to deal with and trying to legislate it would be like trying to legislate a hurricane- when in fact, changing the system is LITERALLY the politician's JOB.

[@FlipsyFiona]

When i walk around, i jaywalk as much as possible. I do everything i can to avoid crossing at crosswalks cause they always put me where the most traffic is. My experience has shown me that jaywalking is infinitely safer for me, as all my near misses have occurred on crosswalks where drivers either didnt pay attention or just straight up did not care to follow signs.

[@stackflow343]

"jaywalking is actually safer" sounds like Darwin award TikTok advice

[@FlipsyFiona]

@@stackflow343 Darwinism is throwing blinders on and doing exactly what the crosswalk sign tells you to do without bothering to look both ways. But i do pay attention. Thats why im not dead. Cause i recognized when a driver wasnt paying attention (or just didnt care) to walkers in a crosswalk. Which brings to reason.... why limit crosswalks to the busiest part of a road? What if someone just wants to get from one neighborhood to another that is just across the street? Should they be obligated to go to a crosswalk to "legally" cross if none are relatively nearby (think suburban hells like jacksonville and phoenix)? And if pedestrians have near misses in crosswalks despite clearly having the right of way and doibg everything they can to not get hit, is there even a point to crosswalks?

[@kipkipper-lg9vl]

​@@stackflow343jay walking isn't a real thing my friend, it's just some bullshit the ford corporation paid to have forced on you

[@bleebu5448]

I was in FL at a hotel, there was a restaurant down the street, about 2 blocks, same side of the road. I could not walk there. There was no sidewalk, no easement, the street just dropped into a ditch that was filled with water (and probably gators). What a mess. I'm talking to you Panama City.

[@kizzyKizzy77]

If you live out in the country or small town, Uber or lift is not even an option nor public transportation . So if you don't have a car, it's hard to walk to places you need to go. The safest option is normally the longest route compared to the driving route, which is extremely shorter compared to walking one. 6:26

[@doggodoggo3000]

I live 2 miles from work straight shot on main Street. But last leg there is no sidewalk. And i almost got hit at a crosswalk by a f150 with a lift taking a right turn. Its a pretty treacherous trip. Hardly anyone walks around there.

[@doggodoggo3000]

I don't have a public transit option. There is a bus but it sucks and there's no route from my neighborhood to the freaking shopping district I work in. It's a joke. I live across the street from a college in a dense neighborhood, and work at the shopping retail area where everyone shops, yet there is literally not a public transit option available for me to get there. I have to drive, bike, walk, or taxi. And there's not even a sidewalk the entire way....

[@DizzyDiddy]

The lack of sidewalks all over the US really bothers me. It's terrible. Many suburban neighborhoods don't even have sidewalks. I don't understand it. Hopefully you can get the message out that a sidewalk is needed. Consider attending a local council or community meeting to share about your needs.

[@moroteseoinage]

FAFO. Maybe drive next time

[@doggodoggo3000]

@@moroteseoinage traffic sucks and I have to pay for gas. I can bike to work basically as fast as driving. I live in town, it shouldnt be so hazardous. You are a sheep. I have a truck, a BMW sedan, and 2 motorcycles. I want to ride my freaking bicycle a mile down main Street and not get killed. People shouldn't HAVE to drive.

[@bloodmooncomics2249]

I live in a small town they put up one of those things that look like a small child like stick figure in the middle of the road on the solid yellow line to show people it was a cross walk (no cars would stop and nearly hit people/ have people stuck waiting to cross for a long time). The sign was flat by the next morning. The town got another one and it was flat in less than 4 hours. I have also been crossing a crosswalk, a car stopped to let me cross (which is the law), then a truck would hit the gas and go around the car that stopped. They hit the break just before hitting me to then yell at me saying it should be illegal for people to use crosswalks. When I was in high school I was using a crosswalk. I woman hit the gas hit my arm with the side mirror of her jeep running over the tip of my shoe (not my toes though). She was stuck not even 3 yards further up the road because of work on the bridge. She kept looking forward ignoring me as her kid slide down their seat in embarrassment. She was so focused on beating the walker because it takes 2 seconds to wait. A lot of cars also like to stop on the crosswalk to wait for the light to change to make sure a person doesn't use to crosswalk and walk in front of them, instead wanting people to walk behind them where there is no crosswalk.

[@Triro]

I got hit by a car returning from work, the EMT's who where on scene said I shouldn't have survived, the Police said I shouldn't have survived. Everyone said I shouldn't have survived, yet luck saved me. Its genially annoying how f*cking bad the road safety is, its genially just so god damn bad. You shouldn't have to fear for your life if you're crossing a road. This is a massive issue that people dont pay attention to, and its frustrating. Lost mobility in both for my legs temporarily for now because of this pressing issue.

[@disgracetwt5513]

More details on how it happen? Without proper details i could assume that you jaywalked or crossed without looking if any car has enough time to respond to your action

[@Triro]

@@disgracetwt5513 Wasn't jaywalking, was coming from work on a bike, I looked both ways before crossing the intersection and a unlicensed driver hit me. But ofc their was no traffic cameras so I was automatically found at fault by police even though the crash says very different. But sense hes unlicensed hes getting sued by the hospital to cover bills

[@disgracetwt5513]

@@Triro that kinda sucks... weren t there any witnesses except for you and the driver? Usually when an accident happens i ve seen pedestrians or other drivers waiting for the police to say what they saw...at least in romania

[@Triro]

@@disgracetwt5513 Sadly no, the only witness was a nurse who was behind him, so she didnt see anything

[@disgracetwt5513]

@@Triro sorry to hear that... hope your legs recover fast=//

[@simsley5501]

2:56 “You wouldn’t build a house that’s exclusively made of hallways” that’s actually a really good analogy

[@stickyfox]

It's not about who's liable or how much money a personal injury suit might cost. It's about the time and pain involved in recovering from a broken back. A judge can't make someone else pay that for you. Look both ways and check your texts when you're safe on the other side.

[@infinity4633]

You would not believe how many college students on my campus just walk on the streets while on their damn phones, never looking up to check the streets.

[@Dice-Z]

@@infinity4633 yikes

[@gregthepeglegpregdreg]

Seen this on my campus way too often too

[@StanleyGoodwin-k2q]

@@infinity4633 maybe people in cars should just pay attention smh

[@infinity4633]

@@StanleyGoodwin-k2q Yeah, in an ideal world. But reality is a different story and I am sure many will agree. I'll tell you what you are responsible for, yourself. If you take the time to look and see that a car is coming to a crosswalk with no intention of slowing down because the driver is distracted or somehow didn't see you, then stop and let the idiot go. Control what you can control. I'd never put my life in the hands of another driver, especially when crossing the street.

[@beardiemom]

In Germany, we have a very simple principle regarding pedestrian safety: Big participants make sure they don't endanger small participants. That means trucks and busses have more rules imposed on them than cars, cars have more rules on them than motorcycles, motorcycles have more than cyclists, and cyclists have more than pedestrians and motorized wheelchair users. It is a fundamental principle of how traffic on our roads works, and it ensures that responsibility is higher for those that are more likely to cause injury in an accident while being less likely to be injured.

[@randgrithr7387]

In the US, the principal is the exact opposite. The expectation is on smaller traffic to yield to larger traffic. A lot of truck drivers hog the wrong lanes, pass on the outside, or push merging 4-wheelers to the shoulder because they are following the truck in front too closely. Often times the drivers of long-nose trucks lower their seats to the floor, making it impossible to see a small sedan in front, much less a pedestrian.

[@jetanimations]

On my way to school I have to cross a very busy four way intersection, there is a cross walk button that doesn’t work- by that I mean those buttons only work on a two way street bc it just stop cars moving on the same road- on a 4 way intersection they can’t just stop the three roads for any one crosser. Only one road stops at a time ,so even when the cross walk sign shows up, the main road drivers can still turn onto the road I’m crossing. It’s terrifying.

[@Ash_Wen-li]

I live near Toronto and it's actually safer to jaywalk than cross at intersections. With jaywalking I only have to be aware of cars coming from one direction. At intersections I need to have nearly 360 awareness and also be aware of drivers breaking rules or traffic laws

[@Yes-vx2un]

I’m like 90% sure an overpass for pedestrians would function better than a crosswalk with a stop sign at this point

[@Genericmug]

The problem.. money

[@srgmatrix6970]

With that you limit too much the possibility for everyone to cross when they want, imagine wheelchairs, old people especially who cannot climb every single time they encounter a street, as well as just luggage carrying in general. It sounds good initially, but streets should be designed for people, not against them just to favour cars.

[@kookamunga2458]

I noticed a distinguished looking gentleman crossing the street with his young daughter at a sidewalk during the walk signal . An idiot in a sports car didn't pay attention and almost ran them over . The distinguished gentleman spit on the car as it passed and his daughter saw this and asked the father why he spat at the car .The moral or this story is I am glad that the good father was teaching his daughter the right thing .Hopefully the daughter will grow up and also spit at the bad drivers .

[@bbb462cid]

Ladies don't spit. Don't approve a lesser bad behavior because you dislike a worse one. Be a little braver than that.

[@kookamunga2458]

@@bbb462cid Wokie .

[@bbb462cid]

@@kookamunga2458 that's very nearly an insult

[@radiokitty9007]

@@kookamunga2458 Being the bigger person is now woke I guess. Like the Bible wasn’t the bigger advocate for “turning the other cheek” which conservatives more often follow.

[@ida6950]

@@kookamunga2458Further proof the term “woke” is now completely meaningless

[@ProcyonDei]

The pattern also seems to be that most reckless drivers are SUV and pick-up truck drivers...

[@PlasmaGrounded]

Sippin coffee and just casually being radicalized on urban planning. what a time to be alive

[@karl_margs]

The crazy thing is these ideas aren't even that that radical. Car dependency is so radical and propagandized that any reasonable solution only seems radical 😊

[@evobsm2328]

​​@@karl_margs sooo true haha, and they dont even realise they are the exception to the rule. Wich is why soo many things go wrong there with lots more accidents and fatal ones at that.

[@toasterowens8916]

The fact that this became a political issue to some people is insane

[@phr3ui559]

yea you are being brainwashed

[@firstletterofthealphabet7308]

@@phr3ui559And you think *needing* a car to go anywhere isn’t… odd in any way?

[@musthaf9]

I love how in Japan, in smaller road, cars will actually stop and let you cross. This also happened, less frequently though, when I visited Rome. But it never happened in my home country of Indonesia, we have a lot of homework to do.

[@winterspice4992]

From what I know this is mostly a central Europe thing, like Germany, Netherlands, Poland, Czech republic, Switzerland itp. Here some cars stop for you even when you're "jaywalking" sometimes

[@bethanybrookes8479]

Honestly, the parking at pubs (or i guess its bars in america. In the UK a bar is justvthebpart of the pub where you actually order the alcahol) thing will forever baffle me. The only pubs I have been to that have parking also function as restaurants, where its acceptable, and even expected, to go, have a meal, and not have alcohol. All other pubs I've been to have maybe a taxi bay and a short walk to a bus stop at most. And it's even more common for it to just literally be a 5 minute road down a residential street to get to your home. Heck, it could even be that you lived practically right next door to a pub. It's actually impossible to bring a car to some pubs, there is no parking.

[@jamesmcdonnell2455]

Yes yes, you're all alcoholics, we get it. It's impossible for you to just have a couple drinks while hanging out with friends. You simply have to drink until you're shitfaced. Every single time.

[@cmnidit4444]

​@jamesmcdonnell2455 ex-fucking-zactly. The parking spots are for designated drivers or the average man who has 1-2 beers, waits til he's sober and goes home.

[@firstletterofthealphabet7308]

To the two other people here: If you need to *commute* to a bar just to have some r&r, something might be wrong.

[@nathangamble125]

@@jamesmcdonnell2455 You realise that having only 1 drink impairs your ability to drive, even if you aren't drunk, don't you, shit-for-brains?

[@nathangamble125]

@@cmnidit4444 And are you dumb enough to expect that everyone behaves how they're supposed to?

[@karl_margs]

I'm a simple man: I see a burgeoning urbanist channel, I hit subscribe

[@andrew7955]

I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, but i just walk in front of the cars lol. If I'm stuck at a set of lights and my tram is about to leave, you better know I'm walking into the road

[@FlyingOverTr0ut]

Another great video, Brice! Keep it up! My city of LA is slowly but increasingly putting more effort into making the city safer for pedestrians and all road users.

[@micosstar]

yayayayyayayay la ftw (yes, ik i celebrate early, but meager progress is better than no change)

[@Chaz_Enjoyer]

Even easier for the rioters, looters, and arsonists, yes?

[@aygwm]

City finally realized it needs to build up instead of widen roads…

[@drill_fiend1097]

​@@Chaz_Enjoyersounds like you've never seen those thieves that ram into stores in their stolen kia so the store owner can't lock them in.

[@Chaz_Enjoyer]

@@drill_fiend1097 yeah, forgot to add that

[@driiifter]

I sometimes kick my E scooter across the crosswalk. Basically, the cars on the other side are desperate to turn, so they want to turn the moment they have enough room after the first person STARTS to cross. I crossed at the same time as the first guy on the opposite end, but because the people turning didn't want to wait for me, they got pissed at me and started screaming because they all got break checked. They expect me to walk as slow as possible so the first 5 cars can turn in front of me and I have to stop in the middle of the street for them. I'm on the crosswalk, it says walk, but I still need to yield for cars??? Wtf?

[@exemida]

Right sometimes I question if people actually read the handbook. It specifically says Pedestrians have right of way. If they cant follow they they shouldnt have a license.

[@kyanite7843]

Yeah same thing happened to me and the guy almost hit me so I just stood in front of his car until the 30 second timer was up while the dude was honking and cussing. I recommend doing this.

[@grahvis]

The answer is simple, a red light should mean stop, in the UK there is no turning on a red. Turning right on a red, is simply a sop to car drivers.

[@kurtwetzel154]

Try crossing straight when it says walk with a bunch of cars turning right. Most of the cars keep turning and you can’t even get in the crosswalk. If you do you risk getting hit. Then the second you get mad at the drivers yelling at them they yell back at you.

[@stackflow343]

Yes you still need to yield to road hazards regardless of right of way. Are you mentally challenged or just equally entitled as the bad drivers?

[@ghostofmybrain]

"You can't enforce yourself out of bad design." 👏👏👏

[@TheUKNutter]

This is in America. Where I come from, cars have right of way. Cross when they stop or there is nothing there. You get hurt, it’s considered your fault.

[@20035079]

if you actually bothered to watch the video he already addresses this

[@Jaden-eh6rh]

Not true thankfully your just a trolloolooo amogus

[@schwarzenegger_begger8810]

We need more people like you to diagnose and fix this upside-down clown world We need a world built for people, not industry

[@flurfdesign]

Thank you!

[@Phoenix.Sparkles]

In my country if a crosswalk has no traffic light, cars are obligated to stop no matter what and continueing is illegal.

[@carultch]

Why would cars be obligated to stop at an empty crosswalk?

[@PinkPulpito]

Being able to turn right on a red light probably injures a lot of people trying to cross a street. Makes a red light an always green light.

[@grahvis]

I had an argument in the comments on a video. The other person claimed turning right on a red was perfectly safe because drivers had to stop for pedestrians. That was after the video had shown a driver nearly hitting a pedestrian they didn't notice.

[@friedrichdergroe9664]

The major problem with the US that you did not mention are the zoning laws. You can't do a bar or a supermarket in a place zoned "residential". So, you are forced to use your car when you need to do your daily activities. Public transportation is not always possible nor profitable in most places. I've lived in Berlin for 8 years, and the neighbourhood I lived in had 2 supermarkets in walking distance, one literally just around the corner, as well as restaurants, etc. So I could have some Bier at a local restaurant and walk home, even inebriated. Germany is the reverse of the US when it comes to urban planning. Many will never see this until you've lived in different places in the world. So, if you want t make streets safer in the US? Change the zoning laws. The rest will take care of itself.

[@thebanditman5663]

It’s almost like the government sticking its nose in public discourse leads to more problems. Correct me if I’m wrong but a lot of places in Germany have street plans predating centralized government city planning yes?

[@qasimmir7117]

In Britain, jaywalking is simply called… crossing the road.🤷🏻‍♂️

[@WretchedEgg528]

In Russia we say "give way to fools". Some people are just out of their mind, and won't follow traffic laws. Would you rather look around before crossing the road, or leave your life in the hands of some idiot on wheels?

[@christopherdunstan1708]

That moment when the audience has more common sense than the creator.

[@zadock6370]

there is one enormous thing you completely failed to mention: PEDESTRIANS HAVE THE RIGHT AWAY!!!! and because of that, pedestrians abuse that to no flipping end. people just blindly walk out in front of traffic without a care in the world, doesn't even look, and expects everyone to move around them. drivers are also bad at thinking everyone has to move around them as well, but to a lesser extent. people just blindly go EXPECTING that no one will hit them, then gets surprised and upset you they do get hit DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY DIDN'T EXERT A SINGLE OUNCE OF SELF PRESERVATION, PEDESTRIANS AND DRIVERS ALIKE!!!!! the main issue is that a lot of people in society demands and expects that everyone and everything bends around them while the individual doesn't exert a single ounce of self preservation. it's either an issue of narcissism or extreme apathy, and both are bad. while I agree that the design of the roads can be better at times, I think it is overall safe if you exert caution LIKE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO!!!! and for completely different reasons, I agree that america has too high of a dependence on people owning cars and need more public transit.

[@oriongear2499]

As a cyclist, the busy roads, fast automobiles, and the nasty attitudes of some drivers is why I go through neighborhoods wherever and whenever I can.

[@stackflow343]

As a cyclist you deserve everything that comes your way and likely cause more than half of it yourself.

[@argentik82]

3:19 A person crossing the street while talking at phone, without turning around is for sure, not your best example of pedestrian awareness...

[@drivers99]

If it weren’t for cars you could walk relaxed without fearing for your life.

[@disgracetwt5513]

​@@drivers99if it weren t for pedestrians, driving would be more safe and with less stops... this is exactly how you come off, i barely drive and most of the time walk and never got hit...know why? It s cuz i don t have a big ego and i actually care about my safety when crossing a road

[@UzumakiNaruto_]

While I agree that building proper infrastructure is key to making our cities more livable and our streets more safe, when it comes down to it it really does involve personal responsibility in keeping everyone safe when it comes to sharing the roads. If you go to Tokyo or any major city in Japan you'll see that while they do have many parts that are pedestrian friendly and make for a great city, a place like Tokyo also has plenty of car centric infrastructure built that is no different than what you would see in most North American cities. The difference is that most Japanese people seem to follow the rules and also are mindful of others and care about their well being. Japanese drivers mostly follow the rules and drive at close to the speed limit and take care to watch out for pedestrians and cyclists while pedestrians follow the rules by crossing only at intersections rather than crossing at mid street. The point is while building safer cities is very important in keeping people safe, at the end of the day the most important way to keep people safe is for everyone to be responsible for their own safety and the safety of others. I mean how many times have we seen pedestrians not look before crossing a road or have their head looking down at their phones? Those are accidents that are completely preventable on the part of those pedestrians. So while drivers certainly need to do better in watching out for other people, many pedestrians and cyclists also need to do much better in looking out for their own safety as well.

[@B0tAcH1]

lol no. have you actually drive in Tokyo? Cyclist and pedestrian owns the freakin street. they'll literally jump in front of you but because the street are so small, you're forced to drive the speed of a snail. once you actually enter a road then it gets marginally spacier. Here's a reversal to your question on distracted pedestrian, how many drivers have you seen been distracted with their phone while driving? spoilers: its A LOT.

[@UzumakiNaruto_]

@@B0tAcH1 Have YOU been to Tokyo? Cyclists and pedestrians DO NOT 'own the streets'. Seriously go on KZbin and look up any video of Tokyo streets and you'll see plenty of Japanese road infrastructure being laid out exactly like they do in North America. Namely there are PLENTY of wide multi lane roads that pedestrians aren't allowed to cross mid road and can only cross at intersections. In fact the Japanese put up fencing on sidewalks EVERYHWERE to specifically discourage people from crossing mid road in front of cars and it works because most people don't break the rules and cross only at intersections where they're suppose to. However in between all these wide boulevards with tons of roads for vehicles, Tokyo also has many small streets and single lane roads that are shared by everyone. Cars, motorcycles, scooters, cyclists, pedestrians can all use these roads and guess what? Very few people get injured despite all these people and different modes of transportation sharing the same streets. Why? Because the Japanese people care about the well being of others and they look out for them and try their best to keep others safe. Can we say the same for many North American drivers, pedestrians and cyclists who mostly only care about themselves and how quickly they can get to their destinations? Put these people in Tokyo and you would have the same accidents happening and people getting injured or killed like you do in North American cities. Put the Japanese people in Canada and all of a sudden Canada's traffic deaths and injuries would go dramatically down because they would behave the same regardless where they go.

[@jotunfalls4026]

better infrastructure is key. You can't expect everyone to be alert 100% of the time or for drivers to always follow the rules. Good infrastructure means that you're basically always safe. There have been multiple times when I was walking in the netherlands and made mistakes but nothing happened bc theres a oneway or twoway street and the cars arent going fast either way.

[@ImaTroper]

​@@jotunfalls4026Good infrastructure does not make you "100% safe". You're just trying to sell your utopian city planning by making absurd promises, which is typical of the walkabke cities crowd. And constant basic situational awareness is not difficult. It should be the norm in fact. In your magic carfree city, bicyclist will still be running over pedestrians because bicyclists are some of the most entitled people on the road/sidewalk. Personal safety will ALWAYS be personal responsibility. To pretend otherwise is a cruel lie.

[@treelineresearch3387]

@@jotunfalls4026 > Good infrastructure means that you're basically always safe. You're safe already, good infrastructure just makes you a little bit safer. You're more statistically likely to die of an opioid overdose or die by your own hand in the US than in a pedestrian/bike/vehicle incident.

[@mittsverigeurbanisten]

The worst thing I know is victimblaming on pedestrians!

[@ErutaniaRose]

I definitely think a lot of this has to deal with the ableism within architecture schooling as well. There are many needless barriers put up to weed out disabled students and far fewer opportunities for training on the job or internships in architecture than their used to be (which are often easier for neurodivergent students as well, with hands on learning)--making it harder to become an architect of any kind, especially if you cannot drive or do public speaking for any reason. And thus, you have to go through academia most of the time, and there is lots of ableism which makes it difficult or impossible for disabled students to study architecture and get into the field (and many other fields for that matter), to design places that work for them and others. Am I saying disabled architects would fix everything or save the world? No--but I certainly think that disabled people, myself included, would be far more likely to consider the safety of pedestrians (especially when it comes to accessible walkways and buildings, and urban design) and non-car-centric options, especially those of us who cannot drive due to our disabilities, and/or experience difficulty in walking/wheeling for our daily commutes and/or tasks. Just a thought as someone who attempted architecture class and had to drop out due to my disabilities.

[@DizzyDiddy]

It makes me sad that you couldn't pursue architecture like you wanted. You make a very compelling argument and I would encourage you to keep spreading this message. Have you considered getting involved in local politics? I believe simply attending some local community meetings and sharing your story could have a far-reaching impact. Also, was the school made aware of how those extra burdens pushed you away? I wonder if there was any extra assistance they could have offered to help lessen their impact. I'm sure the issues run much deeper than something the school could really address, but it seems like they should have a mutual interest in your success and may have a little more political sway to petition the removal of some of those barriers.

[@karl_margs]

I am an engineer that works for a public works department and I am not currently disabled. As empathetic as I try to be, there are things that I simply miss because being disabled is not my experience. So having varied perspectives absolutely would be a boon for accessible design. And that's not to mention the currently abled designers that barely care about meeting ADA standards, which probably don't go far enough IMO. I'm also sorry that school wouldn't accommodate your education. It truly sucks that we don't accommodate disabled people in our society.

[@Kuson2]

I guess I'm gonna be in the minority and say I disagree here. The US is far too spread out and ingrained on cars for so long that its just the way it is now, it would take decades to even scratch the surface at changing anything and that would be with cooperation on the matter, which basically doesn't even exist in this country anymore. There are sidewalks and crosswalks for a reason. I have actually owned a car for less time in my adult life than I have not owned one and that's saying a lot because I'm almost 32. I used to walk and bike everywhere, never once have I been hit. I've had a few close calls because of an inattentive driver, but I was fully aware of my surroundings and avoided being struck, and even then, those where not vehicle issues, that was a distraction issue on the part of the driver. Walking around glued to your phone is just as reckless as doing it while behind the wheel. I am all for pedestrian safety but I'm sorry, American roads are for vehicles 1st and foremost. We have jobs to get to and places to be. And yes its true that unfortunately some people will die in accidents because of the carelessness of others. Maybe we should cut down on how distracted we are all the time. What's honestly worse? A society where people drive cars, or a society with our heads in the clouds because we are all so addicted to the internet, we can't go 15 seconds without scrolling, regardless of what we are in the middle of? Just some food for thought.

[@javianbrown8627]

I like that the potholes in my community actually slow down the cars to some degree as people drive at highway speeds when they get to the smooth section

[@yaho5785]

Semi-unrelated anecdote but back in my dad's village, there was a bloke who's horse knew the way home. So he'd get drunk at the pub and have the horse take him home.

[@BiBiren]

In my country, one highway is littered with pedestrian crossings yet people were scared of trying to get across there because of how cars were sped up ridiculously fast. One pregnant woman is trying to cross and she got ran over.

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

Were you the driver?

[@whiteetk8000persona3isgood]

@@youtubestudiosucks978holy fuck that is some serious question

[@whiteetk8000persona3isgood]

uhmm, why the in the actual fuck someone decided it was an good idea to make an highway an pedestrain crossing?

​@@whiteetk8000persona3isgoodThe real question

[@whatwhat9519]

Remember y'all that at different points in time WE ARE ALL PEDESTRIANS

[@a64738]

Does it matter who is responsible if YOU as a pedestrian is dead? I see it all the time pedestrians walking into the road without looking putting their own life into the hands of cars confident they see them and will stop, I would NEVER put my own life at risk like that by putting my trust into motorist see me and stop.

[@cjg8763]

Exactly! I have always stopped, looked, and listened for any sign of moving traffic around me before stepping out into the street. Always. 100% of the time. Same for parking lots or anywhere else there might be moving traffic. Stop, look, listen, and go if/when safe to do so. I taught my son to do exactly the same thing. It's just basic common sense. I've seen far too many people just go out into the street without making any effort whatsoever to check their surroundings first. I myself have had to put on the breaks to keep from hitting such people, good thing one of us was paying attention! Great way to win yourself a Darwin Award, just going out into the street without paying attention to it first.

[@johnmichaelrichards]

We should also reduce our dependence on alcohol. Imagine enjoying an event without drugs.

[@hungryStew420]

I would have expected this channel to have 2 million subs, not 2k. the video quality and information told is just top notch. bravo!

[@arkilos2253]

the segment is niche but also in incredibly competitive space. He is competing for attention with larger channels over a limited audience.

[@Coalbold]

There’s a Walmart right across the street from us, I still rather drive because It feels dangerous with these crosswalks and cars zooming past you going 40-50 mph

[@RustyDust101]

This ties in perfectly with "Not Just Bikes" and "Strong Towns". Modern mixed use urbanism is a solution to many of North American societies' problems.

[@gameexe6337]

it is delusional top just reject the idea that you should care for your own safety, like doing sow will somehow magically prevent the distracted speeding driver to stop for you or that all our cities will be redesigned overnight so you can disregard your safety. if you have any common sense and a self preservation instinct, you should look both ways and make sure the car is showing signs of slowing down and letting you pass before you cross the street, while you wait for that fundamental shift in our culture and city design to make these safety precautions redundant

[@cjg8763]

How to be safe when crossing the street: 1. STOP before stepping into street. 2. LOOK and LISTEN for any sign of moving traffic around you. 3. If safe to do so, walk across as quickly as you are able. If not, wait until it is safe. COMMON F-ING SENSE. Been doing it my entire life, and taught my son to do exactly the same. Not just the street either, do it anywhere there might be moving traffic around you, even in parking lots. This isn't to say the drivers don't also need to be safe, they for sure most definitely do. They need to be constantly aware of their surroundings to make safe driving decisions. This has also been employed by me and will be taught to my son in a couple of years when he starts learning to drive. I've had to put on the breaks more than once for people who are not paying any attention and just stepping right out into the street without any effort to check if it's safe first. If they do that when someone who doesn't know how to drive safely and also not paying attention is going by, it's a sure way to win an ambulance ride or worse a Darwin Award for the pedestrian and a jail sentence for the driver.

[@Sarah_Bragg]

But in the US, as long as the driver doesn’t drive away, they’re basically guaranteed to get in zero trouble. My driving ed instructor was very clear when we did the class on other cars and people on the road. Most drivers that hit pedestrians are never given a ticket, never mind jail time.

[@Ash_Wen-li]

With step 3 though you're never guaranteed safety. Things can quickly become dangerous in the middle of crossing the street because drivers aren't paying attention or don't care

[@ishkanark6725]

This is the issue with changing the problem, people put the blame on the pedestrians at their own crossings, instead of thinking of how it could be better

[@prima6170]

Most often, I see pedestrians just walking out in front of cars without looking. They just assume that the driver is going to stop... stupid !

[@liviwaslost]

It’s not exactly their fault. We are all human and we make mistakes.

[@carultch]

@@liviwaslost If you want to use someone else's path, you have the responsibility to yield to existing traffic already in that path, and wait for a clear chance to continue. If someone is already committed to using your path, you have the responsibility to stop and wait for them to finish. This is the same rule cars have to follow, for who has the right-of-way. Pedestrians are not entitled to step into the road, even at a crosswalk, without first confirming the path will be clear. You have an imaginary stop sign when you want to walk across the street, and once you queue to do so, all cars that can reasonably stop at a reasonable slow-down rate, have an imaginary stop sign to stop for you.

[@yeet7957]

Making jaywalking illegal is like trying to prevent death by making it illegal

[@stackflow343]

-Have fun becoming a statistic thinking jaywalking is safer- _Edit: this was meant for a different person I replied to the wrong thread somehow_

[@20035079]

@@stackflow343 >makes barely accessible crosswalks >people d13 from having to jaywalk because of barely any crosswalks >"HaVe FuN BeCoMiNg A StAtiStiC"

[@stackflow343]

@@20035079 ok this was not the comment I remember posting that to. I dunno how but I replied to the wrong person so it doesn't make sense here. disregard lol ps why are you censoring "die" just say the word

[@dannyhernandez265]

After an accident earlier this year caused by some other person. I do not like driving anymore. It was on the way to class, and because everyone is always in a rush, this causes many accidents.

[@FBWalshyFTW]

Awesome video! It's always cool to see another Asian urbanist on KZbin.

[@keithbroughton4476]

While I won't deny poor road design ( and vehicle choice) can have a negative impact on safety, I consider road safety to be MY responsibility. Having driven trucks, cars, motorcycles , bicycles and been a pedestrian, (sometimes all in the same day), in all those circumstances I take road safety to be MY responsibility. As a driver or pedestrian, it's up to me to watch my back. It doesn't matter who is "in the right" It's also my responsibility to lobby local government to upgrade road safety. So yes, road safety IS my responsibility.

[@cs82271]

It especially doesn't help when you can lose your job for being a few minutes late thanks to traffic. That alone encourages people to go fast and only care about getting from A to B

[@docomega7862]

And that's why despite being the richest country on earth, the US has a messed up system that was commented by international observers (it was regarding one of the states in the middle of the country, I can't remember which) to third world countries. After half a century of actively fighting any State (as in country level State, not individual states, I'm not from the US so I've no idea how you're supposed to say that) for fear of "communism" the system is now in shambles and can't protect anyone. Health insurance is a scam. There is no work safety. In France, even as a lowly disposable intern, I had 1 day off per month, no limitations on sick days (which is one of the most idioric ideas I've ever heard), and I never got bothered if I got a bit late because of traffic, I would simply leave a bit later to compensate

[@stackflow343]

Leave earlier? Traffic isn't to blame unless there's a big wreck or something.

[@cs82271]

@@stackflow343 4Head "Just..."

[@Arachnid-Popular]

A car is moving a lot faster than any pedestrian ever could so by that logic a car will stop a lot later than any pedestrian, i think we should trust ourselves more and a piece if iron less, thats my opinion.

[@bobbiedavis3587]

It would help if people walking and driving paid attention to what they are doing. Many times people walking don't use cross walks or walk in front of me while using phone.

[@stackflow343]

Imagine the sheer entitlement to just walk into the road without waiting for cars to pass, cuz something something pedestrians have muh right of way. Like yea you also have squishy bodies and maybe it's not a good idea to toss self preservation to the wind just to prove a point

[@beardannyboy]

This is really great, touches many aspects of the urbanist message

[@GOOOOOOOOOOOOODDAY]

I kinda feel offended that you think making people go slower in a state like texas where the nearest gas station is 7 miles away is smart when pedestrians dont even exist in most of the US, also I'm checking my speedometer very very often the entire time im driving, its not difficult to glance down/ peripheral every 5-10 seconds to make sure you're in line, if you arent capable of juggling that on top of the rest then maybe they should just make the drivers test a lot more strict? I really dont think its worth neutering the speed of everyones transportation for pedestrians that dont even belong because the entire area is built with cars in mind obviously it works in some cities but some cities isnt nearly all of the US

[@HPFireYT]

About the alternatives to driving section: When I lived in a more walkable city for college and didn’t have a car but did have a bike, I would actively choose to walk instead of risking biking on the road when I had very little sleep. Now that I’m back home and have to drive, I kind of just have to deal with being tired because I have to drive. I really wish I didn’t have to drive as much as I do :(

[@HPsawus]

Manchester is the 3rd largest city in England, Pedestrians basically always have priority. It’s actually to the point where you’ll be stuck at a green light, because there’s so many people crossing. I suppose it’s the polar opposite of americas problem but I definitely prefer it Edit: only in the city centre, as u get further out it calms down

[@qasimmir7117]

In Manchester city centre, I find it’s best to just walk to get to places. Everything is nearby anyway. Just as a small reminder, a green light means proceed if safe and clear. So yes if you’re in a car waiting at a green light, it is still the pedestrians that are ‘right.’

[@HPsawus]

@@qasimmir7117 yeah mate big time. My mate took his car Into Manchester and ended up paying about £17 for parking, compared to a bus ticket for £2

[@RawrItsJuul]

Safety is always a two way street. All people involved are responsible.

[@stackflow343]

How dare you. Everybody knows it's always the responsibility of anyone else except me.

[@44zeex]

I wonder if we make ever cross walk a speed bump will that help? It will slow down traffic but it will also encourage less speeding.

[@chatboss000]

Tbh most cars nowadays are literally SUVs and trucks that can just cruise right over speed bumps without slowing. A speed bump doesn't actually stop you from speeding unless you're driving a convertible that's super low to the ground at which point even if you go slowly it can still damage your car! Look up "traffic calming" to get some ideas of how cars can be made to slow down without ruining their suspension.

[@NeedmoreVodkaASAP]

"Not your fault" look both ways do your part to keep yourself safe

[@xylophone_888]

there's millions of people who look both ways and still get hit. we shouldn't be forced to look around 360 degrees during the green light, it's literally designed to give people the possibility to walk safely

[@stackflow343]

​@@xylophone_888"I shouldn't have to look when crossing on a green light" Amazing level of self preservation here

[@xylophone_888]

@@stackflow343 is it normal to be forced to wear a safety vest when swimming in an indoors pool in case i get a cramp and start drowning and the safety guard doesn't want to do their job? is it normal to be forced to always carry a gun with me every time i go grocery shopping in case i get robbed and the police doesn't want to do their job? is it normal to be forced to stop driving whatsoever incase i get into an accident and the insurance company doesn't want to do its job? no? so why is it normal to be forced to lookout for insane drivers even on the green light because of my governments strong disdain for doing its job in stopping said drivers?

[@ShiftylittleDemon]

Places like the US in general have very individualistic cultures that turn every man into an island "Personal responsibility" is such a common phrase to hear in this culture, and it's often used to wave away systematic change to anything from guns to safety nets It's no wonder our motor infrastructure reflects that as well

[@uncrunch398]

A pedestrian / cycling overpass in enough places would solve the dangerous intersections problem. Also, a guarded bike/pedestrian path aside every street and road but low speed neighborhood roads.

[@drivers99]

Watch the video. Pedestrian overpasses are car infrastructure.

[@uncrunch398]

@@drivers99 As long as it keeps the foot/bike traffic separate from motor traffic without excessively lengthening the route of either it's good.

[@crassirus]

Pedestrian overpasses are soul crushing to cross. Like if you had to walk down a 500ft alley that's about 6fft wide that goes down 30 ft, then turns left at 100ft, then does the opposite on the other side, would you use that? Probably not. Long, narrow crossings just feel terrible and there's a reason for it. It's easy to get pinned in one if someone wishes you ill. It's hardly the place that citizens with rights and freedoms belong and yet it's where pedestrians are forced to go.

[@grahvis]

@@drivers99 . Like many supposed cycle lanes in the UK, more designed in an attempt to get bikes out of the way of cars, than making it easier to cycle.

[@AltyBagU]

My job is driving and in all my years I notice that people do not know how to use the cross walks. I seen a lot of people cross on a green light and expect drivers to stop. I had too many cases where I had to slam on my breaks because some moron thinks he has an inherent right to cross while I have the green light to go straight or even to turn while having the arrow to do so.

[@stackflow343]

Every day I watch people staring into a phone just walk into the road. I literally have had someone almost walk into the side my of trailer while I was turning cuz they were on the phone. They got mad at ME lmao

[@ItzMiKeKirbY]

I learned in another KZbin video about “daylighting” street corners; essentially creating street crossings/corners parked car free, increasing visibility thus safety. In addition to that (in regard to the pedestrian fatalities 0:11), I learned that around in 2009, the Obama administration set new regulations for automakers to make cars more fuel efficient. This essentially forced automakers to make cars meet certain baseline standards in fuel economy. However, these standards were tiered based on weight. So the automakers essentially just increased the weight of some cars to pass the minimum standard required. This in turn just made accidents from injury inducing to potentially fatal. Thus increasing fatalities to an all time high. The more I learn about urban city planning the more I hate automakers for what they’ve done to this side of the hemisphere.

[@treelineresearch3387]

> government I voted for makes a stupid regulation that makes cars more dangerous "stupid automakers!"

[@ItzMiKeKirbY]

@@treelineresearch3387 Automakers were set standards for better fuel economy but just abused a loophole to make cars bigger and heavier. Plus, all the lobbying automakers done to make the US super car dependent. So yeah. 🤷

[@POLARTTYRTM]

In many places here it's safer to "jaywalk" than to actually use the zebra crossings. It's absolutely insane.

[@GolemDude]

The anxiety I get when crossing the street, meanwhile people in cars have nothing to worry about because the worst thing that could happen insurance will cover it, then an incident happens when both the driver and pedestrian are on their phones and the driver stuffs their phone in the pocket and point a finger, meanwhile the pedestrian is left broken, physically, mentally, and socially This is like if a weird Prince was always running around town swinging their sword, and accidentally hitting people and killing them, then it’s stated that it’s your own fault if you don’t stay out of their way What I am trying to say is it is an outrageous concept that people who are at risk of getting hurt are always scared for their lives, while people protected in their cars have nothing to worry about, and so they feel entitled to drive completely unimpeded “Why should I have to be alert and slow down for pedestrians, I have nothing to worry about” Saying it’s a pedestrians own responsibility for their lives makes sense when you’re only focusing on them, but when you look at the full picture that is some really selfish and immoral thinking, bet if people were wearing spikes on their hips it would be very different, There’s a second less obvious reason people on the road say “watch out for random deer” but not “watch out for random pedestrians”, It’s because they’re scared of hitting deers, but not people

[@Dice-Z]

Unfortunately because many people are sociopaths who think animals are invaluable whereas even a human baby's life is worthless. And also because people realize that a deer can actually seriously damage your car, and obviously, people don't want that.

[@bbb462cid]

Seriously, no shred of insincerity, you should get help.

[@stackflow343]

Wtf are you on about? If I hit a pedestrian it's not just a matter of insurance, I'm facing manslaughter and prison. And if both people are on their phones it's both people's failure. If you stroll into a road staring into your phone, you deserve adding to a statistic. Pay attention you entitled brat. It's not other people's responsibility to watch where you're walking for you.

[@novacorponline]

When you got to the point where you said that streets should ideally be very slow where everyone can enjoy the space around them, it became rather clear... You have no idea what a road is. The point of a road is not to be enjoyable and a place to hang out. The point is to get you from point A to point B. What you are comparing real roads to appear to be foot-paths through an open market. The point of a market foot-path IS to loiter about, check out the sights and make purchases. These are two vastly different things. Sorry, but you literally can not solve the "road problem" if you don't understand what a road even is on a fundamental level. If you try you would, in your ignorance, happily design a road that does not function and call it a success because fatal collisions don't happen when there's 24/7 gridlock.

[@Saint01_Arts]

This made me think of the “kids are lazy and don’t want to go out” crowed. Young people don’t really go out much nowadays not because they are mostly lazy (some are), but because what are they going to go out for? Social media removes a good bit of incentive to get up and physically meet people, especially for socially anxious and introverted individuals, because you can just hit them up, video chat, and share images and videos with them online A large portion of the population and media is shoving how dangerous the world is (they aren’t necessarily wrong in doing so) down people’s throats causing many to not want to go out or interact with strangers out of fear and distrust. And places such as here in Houston are built spread out as fuck. All the fun stuff to do is closer to downtown which is somewhat far from most suburbs here (30 minutes-1 hour drive depending on traffic and where you live), there’s usually no public transport or walkable areas in the burbs, no or very few walkable areas in the cities, and even some decent stuff to do in the burbs, say, in my area for example, are a 15-30 minute drive. Young people who may not have cars themselves or another form of reliable transportation are SOL. Cause out here if you don’t have a car the only place you’re going is your local elementary schools park and that’s it. So why wouldn’t younger folk stay in all day and play video games our browse online. They’re practically incentivized to nowadays. Don’t even try walking anywhere out here man. We all know how bad Houston traffic and drivers are…

[@logans3365]

Outside my house there is a small square of grass, and lots of busy roads, not exactly an inviting place, then if I want to go do anything it will always cost a small fortune. While I was in Thailand it was so nice to be able to go do things without having to worry about getting ripped off, you could go get a nice meal for $1, vs here your looking at $12 at least

[@derekjolly3680]

Largely good points. In spite of probably seeing the old TV safety messages as out of date, there's a lot of truth and wisdom to them. The lady and the bus, the child crossing without looking, the bullet points for the driver on the left side. Lots of this stuff (about streets) should be engrained from childhood learning, but people get scatterbrained too often. Even in a very bike and walking friendly country like The Netherlands, people are still very keen on being aware of what others are doing on the streets and are self-preserving. By the way, what was "Not Japan but close enough?" Sounds like something I'd say! Or maybe Archie Bunker!

[@ORLY911]

Even in Japan accidents happen, and when they happen they can actually be a lot worse over there thanks to the narrower streets. Always keep an eye open to drivers no matter what.

[@MrMarinus18]

Though disregarding systemic problems and only emphasizing individual solutions is kind of how the US usually operates. The ever worsening homelessness is looked at as a personal failure rather than the systemic problem of private equity buying up houses.

[@derekjolly3680]

@@MrMarinus18Some of these cities in California like San Fransico have seemed to have completely gone to the dogs for the decay and the vagrancy! I think one of the prime examples of not addressing root causes is officially telling riders to wear helmets. Most Americans on bikes are ridiculously obsessed on that which fixes nothing.

[@MrMarinus18]

@@derekjolly3680 I still find it weird people use one of the most productive cities in the entire world as a symbol of decay. San Fransico has many problems, mainly rampant gentrification and corruption. Also obsessing over "personal responsibility" rather than addressing systemic issues is kind of the American way. Poor quality cycling infrastructure is everywhere in the US. I don't see California being a standout in this regard.

[@derekjolly3680]

@@MrMarinus18 I wasn't getting at anything cycling about San Fran or California generally, but the place has turned into a ghetto in places from what I've noticed. It's becoming another Oakland, and bike lanes don't compensate for that either. Corruption yes, and Democrats too. As for the personal responsibility message, I think that's a lot better than being a brainless lemming regardless of what state any cycling infra is at. I was pointing out that the messages were fine for themselves.

[@MezmerKaiser725]

As someone with both autism and ADHD, driving is such a nightmare activity

[@tyren818]

I think you should also touch on subsidies for drivers. I think that is the crux of the issue, if drivers were made to pay their fair share, NA would start to look like western europe or pre ww2. Mb in next video.

[@parzivalnekka3363]

This is most difficult to accomplish in America because Americans only have cars to get around to anything and are thoroughly normalized to this and expect it to be cheap.

[@KeesBoons]

@@parzivalnekka3363 I assume they are used to eating as well. Food prices have gone up a lot.

[@patriot9487]

It infuriates me when entitled car drivers say cyclists need to "pay more" when bike paths are made, despite car infrastructure being the most costly.

[@treelineresearch3387]

"Pay their fair share, a number I just made up and will continue to make larger in the future."

[@tyren818]

@@treelineresearch3387 It's hard to put a monetary value on human life, but studies show it costs around $10million for each life lost on average. Nearly 40,000 people die on american roads each year, that's a whopping $400 billion dollars of cost to society. Now if you take gas tax revenue collected by all drivers, it adds upto just around $70 billion. So, even if we take just this one metric, not even including the cost of injuries and serious injuries, road infrastructure, free highways, free parking, the cost to society caused by pollution from cars, the cost of congestion, the mental health cost of a car centric society on humans, the physical health cost when everybody drives everywhere and most of the population is obese as a result. Even just metric, the taxation on drivers doesn't even come close to covering the cost.

[@TheNoldaz]

Yes some people fail the game of life but imo its better than being over-regulated and everything is decided for you

[@jamesoke7414]

the primary purpose of a road is for moving traffic... that's why they have sidewalks.. Road safety is everyone's responsibility from the moment you leave your home, the only one responsible for your own well being is yourself. never rely on others..

[@benjaminjacobs4022]

Except that the drivers on the road are also responsible for your safety. Whenever you drive, you are in fact relying on other drivers to follow the lines to not crash into you. When you pass a car on a 2-lane 2-way street you are relying on them to not drift just a tiny bit into your lane and hit you. Driving is a fundamentally cooperative experience.

[@hunt6090]

Dude was making such a great point in the video that the person driving at 9:36didn’t even stop at the stop sign. And none of you noticed😅 9:36

[@riggsvsoliver]

What’s scary is is how frequently that stuff happens

[@CottonTailJoe]

Mom always told me to look both ways because regardless if you are right or wrong that is a 2 ton vehicles with only one outcome.

[@amac2612]

noticed that about bars. lived in a city of about 200.000 in australia with no public transport where you had to drive to pubs and bars. The police were everywhere breathalysing people on Friday and Saturday nights because you had to drive. Someone always had to be the designated driver unless you wanted to pay exorbitant prices for a taxi. Live in Germany now and have rarely seen police on the side of the road pulling people over to randomly breathalyse them.

[@zelliglover2000]

Whats the song at the end?

[@Lauren_C]

To increase pressure to improve public transit, I think this can be accomplished by focusing on driver safety. One prong would be to hold drivers to the standard that multi-ton vehicles really require. The idea is that, by raising the standard, and relentlessly clamping down on poor driving behavior and distraction, less able people may find driving overly burdensome, and seek alternative transportation, increasing demand for cycling and walking infrastructure and punishing transit, while simultaneously making the roads safer for attentive motorists.

[@Jet-ij9zc]

Driving exams every 5 years and bi-yearly after 65 y-o would already remove the overwhelming majority of bad drivers

[@moroteseoinage]

Public transport is subsidized by taxes. It’s a communist scam.

[@MrOiram46]

@@Jet-ij9zc In my experience, the majority of bad drivers are the ones speeding off in a rush to somewhere, only to be stopped at the next traffic light regardless of legal driving age

[@Lauren_C]

@@Jet-ij9zc I don’t think this to be the case, unfortunately. I suspect many bad drivers are aware of the law, but choose to disregard them. In which case, they’ll probably be on their best behavior during exam. Additionally, a DMV will require substantial resources if we’re talking about behind-the-wheel exams. Smaller facilities are not equipped to handle this expeditiously. Would probably require some larger facilities around the state, with a closed course for testing.

[@ScooterCat64]

I believe I'm a worse than average driver and would more than gladly never drive again if it was an option