PCGS Unboxing #4 - Graded Coins Found Coin Roll Hunting and Others

[@RobFindsTreasure]

PCGS Unboxing #4 - Graded Coins Found Coin Roll Hunting and Others In this video, I will reveal the grading results of my coins that I found either coin roll hunting, through junk silver purchases, or have had in my collection - through my submission to PCGS. 5 of the coins submitted were found from coin roll hunting bank boxes and 3 were found through junk silver purchases (acquired through either cherry-picking LCS Shops or Silver Dealers). Here's the Links to the videos of some of the coins featured in this video: 2015 Homestead Quarter: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3vXloZ-hbuhe7c 1929 S Buffalo Nickel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rny4iId9Zpaaors 1943 S War Nickel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJubnYN8j7-NrLs 1886 and 1883 O Morgan Dollars (VAMs): kzbin.info/www/bejne/anXPoHZ5rc2Ed80 kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2mslJKvjsxqis0 1901 Indian Head Cent: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3zdcmBuaM55f5o Not sure which Nickel hunt yielded the 1959 D and which Junk Silver video I found the 1883 CC Morgan. I hope you enjoyed this video and found it informative. I will be doing more videos like this of more of my great finds while roll hunting Pennies, Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, Half Dollars and Dollar Coins. Keep hunting and good luck! They're still out there for us to find! Here's the link to the PCGS Population Report Website that I used in this video: www.pcgs.com/pop/uscoins By the way - I am selling my custom Coin Roll Hunting Mats on my website or on eBay (see below): robfindstreasure.com/whats-for-sale/ www.ebay.com/usr/robfindstreasure PLEASE SUPPORT MY CHANNEL - I am an Amazon Associate and if you shop on Amazon, please feel free to clink one of my links below - I get a little extra every time you shop using my link: www.amazon.com/shop/robfindstreasure Strike it Rich - Coin Errors/Varieties Book: amzn.to/2NkItnU The Microscope I use is good quality and low-priced: amzn.to/2JFQtcS US Coins Redbook - really handy: amzn.to/2kjLW8P I post several new videos weekly so please subscribe if you wish to see more: goo.gl/7jX6g5 Thanks for watching! Facebook: fb.me/RobFindsTreasure Instagram: instagram.com/robfindstreasure/ Twitter: twitter.com/RobFindTreasure paypal.me/RobFindsTreasure robfindstreasure.com

[@dawsonc962]

Unbelievable that they would send a perfect coin back with no legitimate reason, I say crack it and send it somewhere else. PCGS has lost their minds.

[@maxselleck5392]

Email sent about re-grading

[@maxselleck5392]

@Jonathan Meyer LOL

[@Jennyshobbies]

Was looking so forward to you getting a great grade on that IHP.

[@SilverNitrate]

Rob - I think there's a misunderstanding about discovery coins. You need to send them to Wexler or CONECA. They'll tell you if it's a new variety. Unless that variety goes into the Cherrypickers guide, PCGS and NGC won't put it on the slab. Anacs will accept the letter from Wexler or Coneca and will put 'discovery coin' on the slab, but NGC and PCGS won't even look at it before charging you.

[@damiencurrency15]

Ok. THAT just blows my mind. I 100% disagree with the 1901 IHP being a questionable color. I would say crack it open and send it to NGC. There is NO way that this is a questionable color.

[@NandiCollector]

Same thought mate. I really don't think that is a questionable color at all.

[@christophercarlson5624]

@@NandiCollector I don't think it is a questionable color either.....crack the case open Rob and submit it to NGC and that is not even close to being a questionable color.....it just looks like someone took good care of that coin

[@jessiethoodjr796]

Crack it open and send it back

[@ericrollings]

The 1901 is mind blowing. With Morgan’s, they can be 100 different tones. They get graded. How is copper any different? Surely there are several shades they haven’t seen. If it hasn’t been cleaned, what’s the issue?

[@damiencurrency15]

@@ericrollings no clue…

[@jamesgoss1860]

You could get into a time machine, travel back to 1901 and get a fresh IHC from the mint, come back to present, submit it to PCGS and get questionable color.

[@johnpadilla6222]

I definitely say, get another opinion. I always say if you feel there's something wrong with you. Go to another doctor and get another opinion.Same thing with coins get another opinion

[@charlestravis9798]

I’d try that first to get a few pristine 1933 $10 gold eagles

[@TUBEORATER]

Boycott PCGS. They've exposed themselves too many times as bogus.

[@patrickschulte4005]

They are probably too amazed, I would submit it to NGC

[@cray986]

Probably jealous and didn't want to give him the satisfaction

[@silversurfer5475]

@@cray986 they definitely came off as d**ks this time.

[@CopperOwlCoins]

Unbelieveable on the IHP. Makes me question PCGS. Sorry Rob. It's like it was struck yesterday. Send it to NGC instead.

[@proofpaco3292]

That Indian Head Cent was one of my favorite coins I seen you find coin roll hunting. It broke my heart to see it designated ungradeable. I would break it out and send to NCG, and thank you for all you great and informative videos!

[@VendettaProspecting]

16:00 they were afraid to call it bro … you have got to be one of the best collectors of this age…. 💪

[@NubbzHuntsTreasure]

Crack it send it to NGC for or resend to pcgs cracked out. I don't see questionable color at all. I could believe wizzed or cleaned without looking at it too close. Good luck

[@ryanglidden2051]

I’d crack it and see what NGC says I’d say. PCGS is scared too decide what to grade it at. Go for it Rob!

[@jeffreyduke2245]

No matter what - that is a phenomenal IHC. Something that merits display - even if “questionable “. Have a great week!

[@petesquarterlifecrisis887]

It's interesting watching your old videos, we've all learned so much over the last few years.

[@JDsVarietyChannel]

Rob, that CC morgan is unbelievable! I remember that one. It could just be your camera, but I personally think the indian cent potentially looks a bit off too. Hard to say without seeing it in hand. Reselling indian head cents was my bread and butter 10 years ago, and the ones I've handled normally have a deeper orange/red color. But like I said, it's hard to tell on video. I could be completely wrong! It would be interesting to see what NGC does with it.

[@RobFindsTreasure]

Yeah - it's really brilliant for sure. I know why they put it down as questionable but I never understood why coins can be guilty until proven innocent. If an EXPERT cannot determine that it has without a doubt been treated, altered, cleaned or polished, then in my opinion, it should receive a grade - or at the very least - a written explanation for why you could not determine it either way. I guess the reasoning being - "it's too nice" isn't something they can put on paper! LOL

[@curt2742]

Is there a difference between NGC and PCGS grades? Is one more desirable than the other?

[@williamfindspeople4341]

@@curt2742 The problem with PCGS is that think they are the only grading company out there that matters. In 1985 a group of "so called coin experts" started Professional Coin Grading Service or best known in the coin world PCGS. THUS this started coin click...they have graded over 40m slabs, so they are fat heads. They are on NASDAQ, it's all about money 💰 and trying control the market. Where as NGC is the oldest most reliable Numismatic Corporation and is run by a 3rd party. The Government uses them. I hope haven't confused you, but you can clearly see it's a power thing.

[@staleydu1]

@@williamfindspeople4341 Oh my word. Just say you don't like PCGS. Having used both I'll tell you my experience, coin dealers prefer PCGS and will pay more for a PCGS slab. That's the truth and it happens at every show i attend. If I'm seeking a coin NGC slabbed I'm always told, I'd offer more if it was PCGS headed. Both companies have some inconsistencies. Both think they are better than the other. But it's NGC that won't cross an ANACS or ICG graded coin. So when you talk about fatheads....

[@williamfindspeople4341]

@@staleydu1 oh your right, I don't like their stigma. I guess if you're trying to make money, you have to worship them.

[@BradPitbull]

Thanks 😊 for sharing Rob

[@48thstateprospecting]

That is absolutely ABSURD pcgs. IS SCARED BC ITS IN SUCH GREAT SHAPE mom and pop DIDNT DO ANYTHING TO THAT COIN so angry 😡 that coin is perfectly normal and you and I know it break it out and send it off someone paid pcgs to not grade it so their coin wouldn’t lose value lol thx for sharing see you on the next one 👍🏻👊🏻

[@F59PHI]

justice for mom and pop

[@48thstateprospecting]

@@F59PHI if they wouldn’t grade it for rob they wouldn’t grade it for mom n pop and they hand rolled them they could have kept any coins they wanted I for one am thankful to have seen such a beautiful coin in my lifetime most don’t get the pleasure to see one like that

[@drunkenmonkey1975]

I love your videos. You narrate them better than anyone else. RFT is my favorite.

[@crazykev6491]

I’ve learned so much about grading just from these reveal videos. Can’t wait to see the next one.

[@nunyabidness7463]

whenever I'm flabbergasted by something now, I say "questionable color?" over and over. Love your content, keep it up!

[@koltinpost4927]

Catch the IHC out and submit it through NGC. I had a 1890 something IHC that was kinda mirrored on the back and you could easily see it with the naked eye. PCGS said that it was done by somebody which I didn’t believe so I submitted it to NGC and they said that it’s a coin that they only seen seven of. So my opinion is to send it to NGC to see what they say and hopefully you can get my luck from my IHC. Happy hunting and good luck Rob.

[@Drewmisley]

That CC is just gorgeous!! You lucky bastard lol!

[@LukeL007]

I was in a coin shop when a customer (who knows his stuff) brought in a box from PCGS to unbox with everyone. Many of the coins were deemed cleaned. Along with the owner, another owner and myself we could not find anything wrong with them.

[@michaellooney1089]

'Slabbers' are clowns, only after your money! They know nothing about true grading.

[@metalmark062]

This is the Curse of Robs Currency Island enjoying the finds you found the real treasure Silvers and Notes Enjoying your high energy..jealous I am.. Hi UDO

[@claytonhayes1475]

I hate it when pcgs gives you a bs upgradable response when the coin is perfect!

[@eddigsdiscoveries1332]

DUDE!!!!!! I was literally yelling at the screen on that IHP. I probably created some new curse words as well as shouting some old favorites!!! I would definitely NGC it. Everyone has coins where the alloy mix is not exactly a common red or brown. I have pennies from the 20s and 30s that are almost yellow. I feel that you are a victim of a pretty big injustice on that coin. That is probably one of the nicest IHPs I have ever seen. Thanks for the video Rob. Just glad you came up a bit with that Morgan.

[@rickgeeprofitcoins6794]

I'd clack the case and send it to NGC!!! Those are some nice finds Rob!

[@lazyboylarry4345]

Lucky find on that CC Morgan!!

[@tleav61]

PCGS did the same thing to me on my 1910-S penny. I’ve had that coin for 40 years, finally submitted it, and got the same “not gradable” BS. It was given to me in change at an ice cream parlor when I was 19. I stuck it away in my coin collection, untouched for 40 years. $50 dollar loss, in my opinion.

[@michaellooney1089]

'Slabbing' is a CON!

[@LadyFourteen]

Did they say why it was “non gradable”?

[@tleav61]

@@LadyFourteen “unquestionable color”.

[@Burnt2Ashes82]

It's precisely why I don't slab or get coins graded. Value is in the beholder, and with great pictures, you can get great value for your coins without the bureaucratic BS and gamble.

[@SouthernMetal]

Dang! Finding a full-steps nickel while coin-roll hunting is amazing! (value is $200 now) And wow - that 1883-CC DMPL was incredible! (value is $625 now) And dang it again on that IHC!... Another great video!

[@Caveman_911]

Sorry to see the IHP come back ungradable...it’s a beauty. The good news is that you got nice returns on the nickel and CC 🙌...the first thing I thought was that you should try NGC on the IHP, so I was there before you even asked :)...if I were you, I’d def seriously consider doing so. Thanks for sharing, Rob and take care ✌🏼

[@grifterchrisify]

100% break it out submit to NGC that coin is a beauty!

[@havoc_64]

That Morgan is beautiful! Congrats!

[@michaeldesanta4512]

Hey Rob, I totally understand why you're loyal having your coins graded by PCGS, but if you're wanting the more forgiving grades on some of those MS62 or questionable colored coins, maybe try getting them graded by NGC. To be fair, they have very skilled graders too.

[@michaellooney1089]

Those 'slabbing' clowns don't know what grading is! They use XF, when it should be EF - there is NO such grade as XF, I own a 'Little Red Book of U.S coins by R.S.Yeoman', and they use grade EF! This grade is Extremely Fine - there is NO such grade called Extra Fine! I'm British, and I see 'Mint State this, Mint State that' - what a load of rubbish. If a coin is Mint, then its correct grade is UNCIRCULATED. If a coin is Mint with Full Lustre, its correct grade is BRILLIANT UNCIRCULATED, it's as simple as that. A coin is either Mint, or it isn't. As for the people who CLEAN them...

[@bl7121]

I really enjoy your videos. I think you do a great job. I had to chuckle when you said you called them and requested DMPL. I wish we could do that. All of my Morgans would be DMPL. 😊

[@jimcantor3898]

I think you should crack out the IHP and resubmit it to NGC. That is too nice to call it questionable!! Dang!! Congrats on the dollars.

[@RobFindsTreasure]

Thanks Jim - yeah, it's a bummer for sure.

[@caleeeeeeeeeee]

I’m sorry about that Indian head! It is beautiful and could be an upgrade for the book though

[@opie2736]

I would definitely try getting a different grade on that Indian Head. It's crazy

[@johnnyz999]

Sorry Rob on that 1901 Indian penny that one was gorgeous, but it just tells me not send mine over there, I have 1906, 1907, and 1908 that look like yours. So mine will stay where they are at till they tone up some. Great 👍 show 👏 keep up the good work.

[@vincemaze2209]

Yes Rob I would have split into two. That bites. I would send it to another company.

[@COPPERMOUNTAINCOINS.]

The Indian head penny is questionable color because they are trying to get you to pay for a resubmission/reconsideration, this is a common tactic at all the major companies. As for VAM'S only anacs dose a good job of grading them, PCGS only recognizes 317 VAM'S and NGC is similar.

[@nicoletteshobbies]

i would absolutely submit to ngc and the first 3 slabs as well.

[@rexandexler575]

The underlying ghost carbon spots are indicative of striping. Probably in the distant past to facilitate retoning. It didn't work. The carbon spots though faded can still be seen. Bummer. I love your show.

[@RealManveerSaini]

Rob, dont feel bad about ‘questionable color’ they did that to seeker on a IHC too. Send it to NGC

[@tiger.ntashamoneyworthmo2959]

Wow over 1k checked in to see this your subscribers are amazing!

[@tiger.ntashamoneyworthmo2959]

I cant believe what they did to the indian coin.😣😲😠 this is UNFAIR I WOULD RESUBMIT

[@shanedaniel7]

Rob, That extra bit on the H in Homestead is what machine doubling actually looks like on incuse lettering. The rest of that is original design, lighting, or die deterioration. Wexler and Wiles both have examples of machine doubling that looks like what you were concerned about, and they labeled it machine doubling. Valuable hub doubling on incuse letters decreases their size, and none are known for quarters. You have to look at the incuse lettering of certain 2013 and 2015 cent DDRs to see what it is supposed to look like. Also, PCGS won't label any variety, period, unless it's in the CPG. ANACS won't even label a variety unless Wexler verifies it.

[@vossierebel]

Go for it Rob... that IHP needs more!

[@darthsilversith667]

Dang.. bummer on most of the results. At least you got what you were looking for on the Morgans! I would definitely resubmit the Indian Head to NGC!

[@billyjacksilverstack6949]

Rob you are a superstar in the coin community & you dont deserve to be manipulated by the bigs for all you do for the hobby! I have a feeling that if it comes back from NGC as a genuine piece with a respectable grade, NGC will gain respect & move ahead of pcgs as the most valued grading company out there.!! Good luck Brother!!

[@twtxcars]

I don’t think I ever clicked so fast in my life!

[@usmanmanni786]

Me too!

[@mtmcommunity]

Gotta love nice Indian head penny's 👁👄👁

[@GinaR]

Super nice coins and grades on those coins.

[@philmcginnis9751]

Rob, You should think about sending the indian cents to another service. They look great.

[@josepchwill1304]

Thanks for another video, I personally can't wait to see my grades and always look before getting my coins back.

[@Stonecold724]

I really wish that PCGS released their grading notes with the coins. Resubmit that to NGC.

[@RobFindsTreasure]

That is the killer - they don't as you know. They didn't even send me notes as to why they wouldn't place the varieties on the other coins, or explain what they saw on the Homestead Quarter that made it not a varitey.

[@colejosephalexanderkashay683]

@@RobFindsTreasure send the homestead quarter to NGC too- it is an interesting find to be sure, and they may see it for what it truly is

[@silvadelshaladin]

@@RobFindsTreasure If you are looking for an unknown or oddball variety and mainly looking for authentication, Anacs is your best bet. Those oddball varieties is their thing.

[@michaelsadventures29]

@@silvadelshaladin yep anacs is where I send all of my coins for grading.

[@Pocket_Pickers]

As a fellow coin collector, the "Questionable Color" designation makes my soul hurt for you Rob. I've been watching you for months and can't believe you would submit a coin that would be altered in any way. I've paused this video at many points to try and look over and over again at this coin and I know that through video isn't the same as in hand but this looks absolutely gorgeous. I would definitely crack it and send it to NGC.

[@bigboyzguns8164]

NGC the Indian. Looks legit to me.

[@rolondoscott3997]

The Indian head coin is a gem . your lucky to find that coin roll hunting

[@randolph7317]

What????? I have been waiting for that IH forever!!! I guess they just couldn’t believe it. I say crack it, try NGC, can’t hurt!

[@laurachamberlain9591]

I got an Indian head penny that looks like a proof. IT has all the sparkle as does yours. It is gorgeous and I got an ungradable. I want to resubmit it for for PCGS for restoration and regrading.

[@cmsilver552]

Congrats on the Morgans I would take that IHC any day That was my thought grade at another service.

[@Midwesttreasure75]

I think you should wait until one of the national coin shows come to Dallas and have it graded on site.

[@greyshadow9498]

Overall I prefer PCGS. However for damaged/questionable coins, I like to send them to NCS/NGC. I am a silver trader, but lately I have been getting into coins more with more junk silver I get that have been in good shape and started branching out into pennies and nickels. Some deserve grading. Some really don't but will anyway if they're for my own collection. That Indian head... I'D definitely send it to NGC (yeah I know it's a year later just offering my opinion)

[@RobFindsTreasure]

Thanks brother - I agree!

[@MCC4RTHY1]

Oh. That H does look crazy. Nice find. Honestly you should resubmit these but I wouldn’t use pcgs lots of shenanigans happening with this company since at the moment

[@jamescurrent8794]

On the edge of my seat about the Indian Head cent.

[@scotty2hotty909]

I really like these submission results videos

[@tunezbrother]

I would definitely crack it and re-submit to NGC.

[@pauld8790]

I think that colors more of an orange than a red not sure but I had a handful of them and they all came back as whizzed back in the 1980s

[@searchingillinois3833]

After dealing with PCGS for a few years I've had suspicions of shady practices....i don't deal with them anymore.

[@chrisbagnell]

Late to the party on this video but wow that CC Morgan was beautiful. I hope to get my hands on something like that in my lifetime.

[@cdrematt]

I'm no expert, but that sounds like a crock on the IHP. If it were me, I'd submit it for reconsideration and/or send it to NGC

[@militarycoinage2214]

Whay a Bummer!!!!!!

[@trevorbambulas2946]

Man.... Such a high just to crash and burn with that Questionable Color. Bummer..... Amazing coins nonetheless. Congrats on the variation status labels

[@shaneyork300]

Haven't finished the video but I am shocked at PCGSs grade on the Indian Head Penny. I'd highly consider NGC to get them to inspect and grade the coin!!

[@emilevoyer123]

All my slabs are NGC, I think I like their scoring better!!

[@leonacrowley164]

Those were some awesome looking coins

[@SwingOilGolf]

There’s no way the 1901 is questionable color. At least MS66 or 66+. Beautiful coins sent in. The toning on the Morgan is really nice. Toned coins are so nice

[@brianbcoins]

I have been waiting so long for this!!!

[@dwite02]

I legitimately cussed at my phone.... I'm in disbelief.... they probably never saw an indian this nice before... what a drag, man...

[@AaronBelknap]

That 1883 DMPL is beautiful. I would break that IHP and send to NGC for sure. What a beauty. I do not confess to be an expert but from what I've learned and watching your video's, that penny looks authentic. Not sure on difference between NGC and PCGS, which one being more reputable, but I'd send to NGC and get a second opinion. The 5 step nickel was awesome! That war nickel was a beaut. I have a war nickel with some steps, but not having a good microscope, can't see all of the coin.

[@RobWenzel84]

Man talk about getting kicked in the gut, I said some adult words, that was a devastating blow, I swore it was at least ms66+, my heart just sank when you showed the back of that case and I saw the ungradable 😢😢😢

[@christoskaloudis8800]

Definitely crack that case and send it to NGC. You have to do it. That’s a gorgeous coin.

[@maxselleck5392]

I'm so sorry Rob. Hopefully mine comes out better.

[@RobFindsTreasure]

Good luck and fingers crossed!

[@jbm-tv]

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[@jackstehlik1942]

That 1883 cc was stunning! That indian head cent should have been at least ms 66 rd. Resubmit for sure.

[@sleepypulk1745]

Congrats on 100k subs!

[@Massangler1856]

The H on Homestead is incuse machine doubling, not a DDR. I left a long comment explaining how it works in your original video with that coin, though probably not reasonable to expect you to see all the comments :P For the non-CPG listed varieties, you should submit those to ANACS. PCGS won't attribute anything that they don't list on their website.

[@mjanovec]

Yeah, total waste of time and money sending coins to PCGS expecting attributions for varieties and errors they don't recognize. Even if the individual reviewer agrees with the attribution, they likely cannot apply it to the coin.

[@wingohereadventures1462]

I think you should resubmit the 1901 IHC.If it had been submitted by one of their big set registry people it would have received a grade. All of the coins are great and ones that a lot of us wish to have found. Thank you for sharing.

[@Brian-n6r]

Man this sucks! I would definitely send it to NGC

[@peterrehm490]

You were on a hot streak there for a while, then the Indian cent happened. :-( RIP. Maybe the copper color is a hue too bright? Might need to send it to NGC. Congrats on the Morgans though - those are great finds.

[@JayTompkins]

That's ridiculous. I would definitely send that to NGC.

[@TechnMoto]

Color looks a bit orange on my phone. I too sent one in and received the color issue. Looking at mine I can see how the color is off. Anyhow good video

[@philhey4239]

That is a weak excuse for not giving you a proper grade. Send it to NGC

[@MagD5]

Definitely got a raw deal on the IHP. I recently have seen some rather questionable results from PCGS....makes me wonder if PCGS has changed how they are operating this year.

[@muffinland]

"Questionable Color" deserves an appeal. Crack it and send it to NGC!

[@stackingnpacking946]

NGC is better for grading and the NGC slabs look way better. Too bad you didn’t get the designation on those coins. Thanks for sharing!

[@donaldwalsh5714]

Can't hurt getting another company's second opinion. Go for it and resubmit the IHC. Bummer that PCGS couldn't grade that beautiful IHC.

[@coolbreeze6198]

I've got a set of indian heads 1898 threw 1903 that look like that and I know they haven't been cleaned but I've been scared to send them in for the same reason !!!

[@TheFreightBeast]

Bust it out and send it to NGC.

[@timsheehan5997]

Great info thanks Rob and congrats

[@joshuachambers3372]

I agree with PCGS on the 1901 cent. To understand it, take a nice red BU copper memorial cent and quickly apply some MS70 to it and compare the color to your 1901 IHC. You will see that the color is basically identical since they were both stripped of their original darker red color.

[@Samscoinsandheavymetal]

That may be true but the problem with tat theory is PCGS states word for word that the dipping of coins to remove the top layer of toning is not considered harsh cleaning and will not result in a cleaning designation. While his wasn’t noted as being cleaned if pcgs states it’s ok to dip then by definition that can’t be the reason You’ll find pcgs word for word statement on the use of MS70, EZ est dips on their website under their cleaning no grade definition

[@Tincad4]

Really tough call on the IHP Rob. I think you were hard done by.

[@Gsmhky007]

Submit to NCG they have much nicer slabs and they'll take everything into consideration I think it's at least an ms 69 or 70

[@arkyst1]

lets not get insane here 😂

[@Andrux0821]

Woah, let’s not get ahead of ourselves there.

[@rreagan007]

It's a nice coin, but it's not a 69-70. It's basically impossible to get that grade in a coin that isn't modern.

[@natesteinman4910]

Rob great video as always...you should crack the Indian Head out and send it to NGC...they might grade it...