2024 Tacoma Replacement - Nissan Frontier Lot Walk

[@car-diologist]

The Frontier is exactly what the Tacoma once was. It's not about the latest unproven, unreliable tech, with a bunch of overrated fluff. It's about clean, simple, reliable and though the Frontier is not as expensive as the competition, it's still by far the most truck for the least amount. My local Nissan dealer has a couple of 4x2, 4 Dr, short bed SV models for just under $37k. Who knows, today, if I went to the dealer and actually tried to buy one, i may get the ole dealership smack, discovering that $$36k truck is actually $45k. If you want the Pro4X. Well, now you're paying a pretty penny.

[@appleztooranges]

Aww that’s better. V6 engine 😅

[@DH-mf2lv]

Rob, thanks for taking the time to review the Frontier. I would prefer the Frontier over the new Tacoma for a few reasons. Price, naturally aspirated V6 engine, interior looks, and (being that it has been around awhile) not a new gen model, etc. By the way I am thinking of going ahead and replace my 2013 Rav4 because soon it will be only available in a hybrid plus it's about time for a complete makeover, and we all know what that brings!

[@mlauri30]

I agree. The Frontier is not bad looking but it looks dated. That being said, if I was looking for a midsize truck right now, I would get the Frontier. The Tacoma looks better but I don’t trust the new model yet. I’ll stick with my ‘22 Tacoma for awhile.

[@TommyMiller-h2y]

I had a 22 SR5 and sold it after about a year and a half to my brother in-law. Looked at another Tacoma but this time a TRD Off Road, dealers were on drugs. Wanted way too much for them. So I drove down to the Nissan dealership and purchased a Pro4X. Installed a lift, KO2 and a Pedal Commander. I love this truck.

[@RobMotive]

Nice.

[@YTBEN1045]

Tacomas still looking way better but that 4cyl turbo charged engine won't let me touch it.

[@nickforest7816]

The new 2024 tacoma is having transmission problems right now sometimes it will get stuck on a gear and overheat

[@RobMotive]

Just a handful that I’ve heard of. Mine has been fine.

[@FL_Jake]

Look at Pickup Truck Plus Suv Talk’s video on this. Rob is correct, just a handful. This has been over-exaggerated.

[@nickforest7816]

@FL_Jake yeah maybe but I saw a video where someone was talking to someone from toyota and they were asking about rust and how the frame was made they said that some areas of the frame are made of thinner metal so there is a possibility of water getting in those areas and causing rust so if you think about it the new model is made cheaper should have kept the older one they have also found metal shavings in the engine of some tacomas as well pickup truck plus they got rid of there tacoma because they new it was junk

[@RobMotive]

I thought we were talking about transmissions?

[@FL_Jake]

@@nickforest7816find that video. He addresses that gossip too.

[@ubangiestomp]

Frontier is a great truck IMO. I like the V6 although it is direct injection. Not like the 3rd Gen had direct and port injection, not sure if the 4th gen has both. But anyway, the Pro4X would be a nice truck. I would of been driving one if the dealer hadn't taken a couple grand off the price of my 23 Tacoma. Folks I work with love their Frontier from what they tell me.

[@randslites]

Nissan builds a decent truck too. It’s too bad their discontinuing the titan. It’s supposed to be back late 2025 completely new. Pro 4X is my favorite.

[@rickeycooley9139]

I’m going to stay with my 18 off-road and my wife is keeping her 18 pro four runner. You guys need to settle down for now. A few months won’t hurt too much. Toyota’s not going to this go .They will fix it!

[@ryannewazada2102]

The Frontier is similar to the Tacoma, but both Nissan and Toyota have little head space, and you have to slouch your head to enter Tacoma and Frontier.

[@M-.-Jones]

Up Next, The Chevy Trailboss! Lets get going to that lot.

[@photinoman]

Dude drove from Texas to Ohio to visit a Nissan dealership.

[@RobMotive]

Now that’s dedication huh👍

[@eddieBoxer]

He must be on drugs to drive that far just to look at Nissan trucks, what if no deal????

[@RobMotive]

He does not nor ever has used drugs. Just say no.

[@Sebastian-Lucas]

Hi Rob, quick question, dont you get whistling sound coming from underneath since you taken off your front Air Damn? Cause I do. Minimal whistling but annoying. Please let me know

[@RobMotive]

I haven’t notice anything like that.

[@Sebastian-Lucas]

@@RobMotive wow! Thats great for you. I mean I just proved it that when I installed it back, there is no whistling. So its really weired.

[@RobMotive]

@Sebastian-Lucas Yup. The wind is catching something under there?

[@Sebastian-Lucas]

@@RobMotive yes. What I believe is the two lips of the cloth type skid plate that are opens or anything behind the air dam. Hard to say. Buy how come you dont get and I get the whistle as we have the same design. Gives me too much head ache

[@RobMotive]

Lol! Good question?

[@909boyz9]

What does it say made by for transmission?

[@matthewallen1896]

9 speed transmission???!!! WTF

[@THEROW1]

No pro long beds 😢

[@BigHouse907]

Same with Toyota.

[@bajabret60]

Been a few years since I shopped for new vehicles, but isn't Nissan notorious for terrible transmissions?

[@RobMotive]

I’ve been hearing that a lot in the comments.

[@mikeely-ly2kb]

Only the CVT transmissions from several years back.

[@kennethoneill3253]

@@RobMotive This transmission is a 9 speed with a torque converter. It's a Mercedes Benz design that they licensed to Nissan. It's built by JATCO.

[@limckinney2112]

this guy has strong bias to nissan frontier! not even driving it!

[@RobMotive]

Lol! Not sure what video you watched 😂

[@909boyz9]

Nissan transmission wouldnt last 150k miles

[@josephmorales9625]

3:01 Traded away 2019 SR5 v6 Calvary Blue for Boulder Gray 2024 Pro X crew cab

[@falconice1266]

As others have commented, I would also recommend taking one for a spin, you may be surprised. Now, having watched you and knowing you like the latest and greatest, the Frontier will probably not be for you. I test drove all midsize trucks including the new Tacoma and am very happy with my decision to purchase a 24 P4X. We all win with the midsize truck market being so hot, with all the brands putting out some good models.

[@Avrageoutdoorguy]

Nissan is the way to go Toyota has to many problems at the moment they should have never messed up a great reliable truck but they did

[@RobMotive]

My Tacoma has no problems. Not sure what you’re referring to?

[@JD.12]

The 2024 Pro4x’s that are 46-48k msrp are listed on carugurs and selling for 35k-38k. Huge discounts. I have a 2020 Tacoma Access cab TRDOF, love this truck. To answer your question, if I would choose the pro4x over the new Tacoma, I’d say yes. Here are the reasons for me - - price, the 46-48k pro 4x can be found for 36-38k. - v6 NA - happy with their transmission since I’d be nervous getting a 24 taco with the transmission issues they just started talking about. - the look is understated and a bit older, but it’s a huge upgrade from the older gen. I do prefer the look of the Pro4x over the SR,SR5,TRD OFF road and Sport Models. Besides the price, which is a big difference with the discount many dealers are giving, being NA V6 and reliable vs a 4 cylinder turbo, transmission issues currently in the news, and the price is quite a bit more, I’d be nervous buying the 24 Tacoma. If I wanted the top of the line Tacoma TRD Pro or Trail Hunter, I’d be at over 70K. That’s just insane. The top of the line 48k Pro4x can be had for in the 36-38k range. It’s a no brainer. I do hope Toyota gets their issues fixed with the new taco, but its price and being a turbo will keep many from looking at it, even if they fixed the mechanical problems. I believe these 24 Frontiers are the last naturally aspirated v6 engines in the mid size market, huge reason to consider it.

[@joeblack1052]

If frontier is so good why the discounts? Nissan is a pile Just go look at a 5 year old titan vs the similar tundra If you can actually find the titan😅

[@JD.12]

@@joeblack1052 you should look at q1 2024 sales of the new Tacoma, they are down 59.8 percent. While Nissan sales, particularly Nissan frontier sales are up by 20 plus percent. Once the 4th gen Tacoma came out, Nissan saw the uptick of sales of their Frontier, the headquarters contacted their dealers and told them to give huge discounts of 15 plus percent if needed so they could capitalize on what is going on in the market. Toyota had 126 billion in debt in 2021 and in 2024 they have 186 billion. Nissan had 51 billion in debt in 2023 and in 2024 they have 37 billion in debt. Nissan can afford the discounts because of this plus they have older technology so they didn’t have all the new money spent on R n D like Toyota did for the new Tacoma. This is the main reason why Nissan is giving the discounts, because they can. Toyota is in a lot of trouble. Toyota motors is the most in debt corporation outside of financial industries in the world. Being a Tacoma owner, I wish Toyota the best. But the sales drop of 60 percent of the Tacoma speaks for itself. You mentioned “ 5 year old tundra “, that would be a 2nd gen Tundra, yes that last gen V8 Tundra is much better than the Nissan Titan in my opinion for reliability. I wouldn’t bet on the 3rd gen new Tundra, Google and see, dealerships have stopped taking trade ins of new Tundras. Image not being able to trade in a Toyota trundra that you bought in the last 3 years to Toyota. They are just refusing to.

[@paulboden7850]

You'd sleep better with a 2024 Frontier in your garage, especially after you did a lift and a few Rob mods. But trading in could be tricky because dealers don't want anything to do with the new Toyota trucks.

[@RobMotive]

Lol! I sleep just fine. What truck are you driving?

[@paulboden7850]

@@RobMotive lol Toyota 😂

[@jesurunblends]

I have a 24 pro 4x 7,000 miles so far so good! awesome truck , I decided the Frontier over the Tacoma

[@tv450578415]

I will not buy a Nissan over my Tacoma.

[@michaelharris8228]

Better looking than the Tacoma you're so fond of!

[@RobMotive]

Matter of opinion I suppose.

[@lannylancaster62]

The dealers in my area have good inventories and at least 4k on the hood in discounts. No reason to pay any dealer markup. The Nissan is clearly the value winner due to supply and demand economics. I've been a Tacoma owner for the last 30 years. I don't see the value proposition in the new Tacoma. I'm not entering the market anytime soon. I'm giving the new vehicles a few years to mature. Bias aside - If I were trading today, I would be giving the Frontier strong consideration.

[@rstumbaugh43]

Bottom line, Nissan didn’t have the reputation like Toyota, for longevity, durability and reliability!! Toyota has the proven history for these. NOT Nissan…so you CANT consider Nissan, unless you are NOT planning to keep long term. I have a gen 3 taco, and plan on keeping it long term.personally I wouldn’t buy the new taco OR new Nissan. OR ford ranger…

[@lannylancaster62]

@@rstumbaugh43 seems to me 2024 resets the game. While I don’t disagree Toyota has a stellar track record for reliability, this new Tacoma is a wait and see. I’m not making a move any time soon. I’m happy with my 2013 Prerunner.

[@Avrageoutdoorguy]

Nissan is the way to go

[@timalan7406]

I understand why people are considering it, but I wouldn't.

[@rockkstah2550]

I actually test drove a pro4X 3weeks ago and it’s very good and very capable , I kinda like the old fashion slightly heavy steering, tried and true NA V6 cannot go wrong with that. There’s actually a guy that’s been overlanding the Stock Pro4X all over the North East and it’s actually more than capable. For the majority of people that will be getting a 4WD, will just be driving around suburb as a pavement princess. I plan on taking mine on local mountain trails at least once a month or two especially when the winter snow begins. I love the mountains.

[@georgeandrews1622]

Take one out for a test drive.

[@benchampion4086]

I would because of price and equipment on it. And the V-6.

[@ReelNewwt]

all these toyota haters coping hard af saying the frontier is the new tacoma lmao

[@clydesullivan6945]

HI ROB ! Im still waiting for you to black out fender flares, hood scoup and mirror tops.Are you still considering doing that mod to your new 2024 or have you changed your mind? Of course it could be a matter of money to do those mods i mean nothing is cheap to do anymore! Unless you are willing to give a kidney or lung lol Everything has gone up so much is what i mean.Anyway with the way you have your truck set up adding those features to your truck would make it look so nice One basass mofo in my opinion! Just wondering if you are still considering doing that?? Take care and have a great weekend .Will try to catch you on the live this weekend! Cheers Clyde Sullivan Thumbs up people help him out!👍👍👍👍

[@RobMotive]

Still on the table at some point.

[@troyvosburg2304]

When a dealership marks up the price of the truck with useless added fees I just walk away….i get so tired of so many dealerships trying to take you for every cent they can

[@garytheguru]

Tacoma over the frontier all day every day!!!!

[@BigHouse907]

I test drove a frontier and was pleasantly surprised. I have been driving nothing but Toyota for 38 years and I have to admit I like the frontier better. Try to buy an extra cab Toyota and compare it to those king cabs. The Toyota comes with a bigger joke of wheels and tires and interior than the Nissan. Toyota has really dropped the ball in that market.

[@Holden-McGroin]

$50k for a Pro4x 😂. That’ll buy you a nicely equipped Colorado ZR2.

[@johnhilton6333]

But it has a turbo 4!

[@Holden-McGroin]

That’s a huge plus if you’ve actually driven one.

[@jandelahoussaye9834]

2024 gmc canyon forsure

[@kellyquezada3908]

You can probably negotiate at least 3k of the sticker price and get a V6

[@mikeherber8358]

Only 4 cyl turbo

[@JD.12]

You should look at q1 2024 sales of the new Tacoma, they are down 59.8 percent. While Nissan sales, particularly Nissan frontier sales are up by 20 plus percent. Once the 4th gen Tacoma came out, Nissan saw the uptick of sales of their Frontier, the headquarters contacted their dealers and told them to give huge discounts of 15 plus percent if needed so they could capitalize on what is going on in the market. Toyota had 126 billion in debt in 2021 and in 2024 they have 186 billion. Nissan had 51 billion in debt in 2023 and in 2024 they have 37 billion in debt. Nissan can afford the discounts because of this plus they have older technology so they didn’t have all the new money spent on R n D like Toyota did for the new Tacoma. This is the main reason why Nissan is giving the discounts, because they can. Toyota is in a lot of trouble. Toyota motors is the most in debt corporation outside of financial industries in the world. Being a Tacoma owner, I wish Toyota the best. But the sales drop of 60 percent of the Tacoma speaks for itself.

[@RobMotive]

You should look back at my videos. I already covered that.

[@JD.12]

@@RobMotiveI have rob, I binge watch your channel!

[@JD.12]

@@RobMotiveI copied this from a reply I made to a comment on regarding why big discounts, he thought it was because the truck was cheaply built. thought I’d share it on the main

[@davidwethington9320]

Speaking of pedestrian, there's a SR5 on my local lot for over 45k. Interior looks like that base frontier which is 38k. That's most people's issue. What you're getting for your money.

[@markymarkx7139]

The 24 Frontier is at the end of this generation, supposed to be a more updated refresh next year

[@RobMotive]

It’ll be interesting to see what happens with it.

[@canadaspy007]

​@RobMotive it'll come with a turbo and than people will shut up and accept the naturally aspirated v6 midsize is dead and long live the turbo. Turbos performance imo is worth the few 1000 repair at 100k + Miles. People act like once the turbo goes you have to buy a new truck. It's a commercial grade turbo I toyota with a crazy cooling set up. Just change your oil every 5k miles and should be mint.

[@canadaspy007]

I'll say though that the reports of the automatic transmissions overheating even the 24 trd pro taco Is concerning. Toyota should have included a transmission cooler. Now we will have to add one ourselves probably. Probably more for the people who live in the hotter climates atleast..

[@JB-yu6sf]

Glad to see you at the dealer on 23 Rob. I like the look of the pro4x and really liked the power train on my test drive. Somethjng felt off in the suspension /ride. It had weird feedback when taking on bumps. Nissan is Not refreshing the platform on similar timing as the other brands and this thing is starting to look dated. Do a vid on the canyon!

[@joeblack1052]

Hey 50k for a Nissan Thought they were cheap? Like people can criticize. Toyota for being 4cylinder etc but not the price because everything is price competitive with the other.

[@Woodduck-k4o]

Dang them Nissans look like a box on wheels and they want 50,000 for it that's the same price as the rest of the midsize pickups on average!

[@jonshelness2807]

I get how if you were a Tacoma Bro, you would never be satisfied with the Frontier. But for those who like the utilitarian nature of the Frontier, it's a good choice.

[@eddieBoxer]

It's obvious Rob will be trading in his Tacoma.

[@RobMotive]

Lol! Is it?

[@brianfoltz-p9y]

I do like the curves on the side of the Tacoma more. The frontier looks flat/straight like a 150 /Silverado.

[@TommyMiller-h2y]

I had a 22 SR5 and sold it after about a year and a half to my brother in-law. Looked at another Tacoma but this time a TRD Off Road, dealers were on drugs. Wanted way too much for them. So I drove down to the Nissan dealership and purchased a Pro4X. Installed a lift, KO2 and a Pedal Commander. I love this truck.

[@RobMotive]

Nice!

[@nelsoncolon9616]

Not sure how you are finding such horrible prices. I could have easily bought a Pro4x loaded for $44k and have seen them at 38k. They have been giving alot off on these.

[@RobMotive]

That’s what’s on the sticker. Who knows?

[@marioa2753]

This is a joke right ? Nissan? lol. We walking backward!! I am sticking with the 4th gen Tacoma all the way!!

[@Ottomypall]

I love my Tacoma as I do my wife. Loyal to both. Will buy Toyota every time . Durable and reliable with quality.

[@RobMotive]

Ahh…….

[@kennethoneill3253]

I still have my 2011 Taco, but did look at a fully loaded Pro x 4x2. $40k is what our local dealer in Vegas is asking. It has all the nice features except leather seats and a sun roof. The Pro 4x loaded is between 45-48k depending on the luxury interior. I drove both... very impressed but I'm not buying anything until they fix this Global CDK hack. Dealerships around the country are crippled and all customer data has been breached. They just issued a notice that you should consider your information stolen. Outages will continue through the month and into July. Lawsuits are in the process of being filed. Not a good time to buy a car or truck if your dealer uses CDK software. This includes auto shops etc. Not good at all...

[@RobMotive]

As long as the dealer can sell the truck, I’m not sure why this matters.

[@kennethoneill3253]

@@RobMotive The dealer computers here that have been hacked are shut down. No electronic access to HQ for rebates etc. They can't register the vehicles and failure to do so after 7 days will result in fines etc. I thought the same, but our local news did a deep dive. It's a disaster for some and costs major bucks in lost revenue. Everything has to be done by hand on paper. They aren't doing that.

[@rostyslavhaliuk7193]

That 35K frontier is as Plain as your 46K tacoma

[@RobMotive]

Matter of interpretation I suppose.

[@Mike-4547]

Rob I purchased a 2023 Taco in 04/23. It’s a SR5 fully loaded v6 4x4 for the price of $44k out the door sticker was $49k. Now I work for a big car rental company transporting vehicles, and have driven the 2024 Frontier SV 2WD and it rides very nice the interior is also nice. Would I trade my Taco for one? Maybe for a fully loaded Frontier top of the line model at a steal but that probably won’t happen. The only thing I would say that is a negative on my Tacoma would be the gear hunting everything else I love and especially the interior storage plus I added 2 swing boxes in the bed so now it’s complete. Other mods AJT air vent covers, ATJ start button, ATJ 4x4 button, Meso Custom dual color map lights and dome light, Meso custom Stage1 tail light harness, Lasfit dual color headlights and fog lights, Tyger bed cover, Tyger side steps, RC bed mat, S&B closed cold air intake, Bielstein 5100’s all around raised the front 2” and a 1” block in the back added 265/75R/16 Toyo AT3’s and last changed out the front grill, plus grill lights. So yeah it would be a very difficult trade.

[@davidbahr8599]

New 2024 pro4x’s are about 39k after discounts in my area. I’m choosing the Ranger Raptor over the Tacoma though. 😂

[@duglasmezaprudencio584]

It would be better if you had not changed your V6 Tacoma for the new 4-cylinder one, friend.

[@RobMotive]

Better for whom? I love the new Tacoma👍

[@shawnamundson2262]

I’m sticking with my 2024 trd off road all day long!

[@evancontos2267]

Creative content looking at alternatives 👍

[@brianfoltz-p9y]

What are you doing in Columbus?

[@RobMotive]

Visiting.

[@hdfxst1521]

Best view of Ohio is seeing it in the rear view mirror!

[@RobMotive]

With regards to weather…I agree.

[@MikeSchneider-wz3ol]

Doesn’t work for me.

[@donjuan2105]

Not a fan of the Frontier

[@deanhunt7527]

Lets get a picture why your still in central ohio

[@RobMotive]

A picture of what?

[@deanhunt7527]

@@RobMotive with one of your subscribers

[@RobMotive]

Such as who? And why?

[@deanhunt7527]

@@RobMotive never mind rob just thought it would be cool to get a Pic with you

[@RobMotive]

Lol! Just messing with you. If I run into you I’d be more than happy to snap a pic👍

[@raceb697]

I agree with all you stated, Rob. I currently have a black '22 Limited Taco in Nightshade with zero issues. I like what I've seen in the updated Taco, but certainly won't get a first year model for obvious reasons. The clouds of doubt regarding some of the apparent problems have driven me to examine the other manufacturers mid-size options, including the Pro 4X. But, for the same reasons you stated, it just doesn't grab me like the Taco.

[@donaldward1759]

The frontier to me is meh!!! Are you going to check out the Chevy colorado next? I have a 2023, and it's fun to drive.

[@fredsausage8794]

No thanks.

[@davidchenette1091]

There okay but they do look outdated to me to

[@mrk8212]

I have seen some cool Frontiers on the street, but those you showed on the lot can stay there as far as I am concerned.

[@RobMotive]

They were pretty bland.

[@hd114ul7]

Many years back I worked at both a Toyota and Nissan dealerships. I have never owned and I will never own a Nissan.