Robot Wars Series 4 Heat H

[@stevenoldham8035]

Peter Gibson seems like an absolute gentleman 👍🏻

[@joeandrews7329]

Fought in series 2 also.

[@PokeGuy6]

You gotta feel sorry for Peter Gibson and Wheelosaurus during their battle against Suicidal Tendencies but you gotta love the man. He's a gentleman, a great sport, fun and a well respected Roboteer. Wheelosaurus wasn't gonna last long but you gotta admire the work Peter put into it and the fun it brought us. Shame we never saw him again after the 4th Wars but still, a great robot with a great Roboteer.

[@joeandrews7329]

Suicidal Tendencies pierced his fuel tank.

[@GilesHellier]

Let's be real, here. Peter Gibson won. He won everything.

[@joeandrews7329]

His machine died in round 2.

[@tyreesetjjoyner1995]

KILLERTRON DIDN'T FINISH 3RD IN THE 2ND SERIES, THEY FINISHED 4TH. ROADBLOCK FINISHED 3RD IN THE 2ND SERIES.

[@burzaburza2970]

Again they are telling lies about Killertron :D Previously they said that they were elminated in first series grand final! Anyway i think they should be seeded

[@berzerkisnotaqt1250]

Burza Tempest wasnt it them who went out to recyclopse really controversially. Maybe JP thought they should’ve benn through as well?

[@berzerkisnotaqt1250]

@Pope Leo X two things: One. Yeah, forgot that one lmao. Two. Why do i see you fkin everywhere lmao

[@joeandrews7329]

4th in series 2.

[@StFidjnr]

@ 8:32 PIT PARTY EVERYONE INVITED

[@joeandrews7329]

Prizephita 2 was eliminated.

[@carribob1992]

You can tell which is the replacement gearbox on Wheely Big Cheese, its the one thats unpainted.

[@joeandrews7329]

He was lucky.

[@ZoidiusPlasmaReaper]

That first round was amazing. Starts off with Wheelie big cheese ignoring the other contestants and going straight for Sir Killalot. Then it ends with the house robots pitting all the contestants in the last few seconds.

[@joeandrews7329]

Plotting revenge.

[@PredictedCyborg]

Welp. I just noticed that the footage of Killertron that's in the background of its stat board plays in reverse from about 12:58. Watch the flame in front of it! Now I'm going to have to go back and rewatch all the previous statboard footage in the background, do they all run in reverse at a certain point?? EDIT: Observations of Maverick and ST's footage suggests maybe? There's nothing in the foreground to watch but I can just about see stuff in the distance that seems to reverse! The other three though I can't tell because the flame by Prizephita could just be flickering a little oddly and any element I could use to judge WBC and Spikeasaurus are covered by the stats. >.>; As for the last battle... I assume it's the whole "can't move outside its circumference = immobilized" rule... only I don't know if immobilization was yet defined by that at this point. >.>;

[@Loghanwolfesin]

They do the reverse due to the amount of time each clip has so if a robot has a longer stats and jonathan has to read a lot then they reverse it so it lasts longer.

[@PredictedCyborg]

@@Loghanwolfesin Yes I'm aware. I'm just amused because I've never noticed it before.

[@Loghanwolfesin]

@@PredictedCyborg Oh yeah totally normally people dont notice it cos they are reading the stats lol

[@PredictedCyborg]

@@Loghanwolfesin I just caught the reversing flame out to the corner of my eye and as a bit of a broadcast and TV nerd I love finding little bits like that that an editor did years and years ago and we now are seeing 20sh years later.

[@Loghanwolfesin]

@@PredictedCyborg Haha true I am use to this as being the Editor for Extreme Robots and doing clips for Robot Wars (reboot) Twitter lol

[@cr10001]

I'm amazed by the patience shown by roboteers when they're rushing to fix their robots against a deadline and Philippa interrupts them and sticks a microphone in their face. I'm afraid I wouldn't be that patient if I was working on my car.

[@mver191]

Philippa isn't in this season.

[@joeandrews7329]

@@mver191 Julia Reed was.

[@MaasdfgcQwerty]

They knew what they signed up for.

[@joeandrews7329]

@@MaasdfgcQwerty Letting you know.

[@GilesHellier]

Suicidal Tendancies: *Literally win.* Judges: *We're not happy about dat.*

[@TruthSikher]

Suicidal tendencies were clearly immobilised

[@ryanodonovan9497]

Wrong summary. Suicidal Tendencies was immobilised on one side, thus lost rightfully on a technicality. It's what also should've happened with it in Series 3 against Raizer Blade, regardless of the latter's predicament with the pit that Suicidal Tendencies didn't cause.

[@shogun2215]

They didn't though, they got exceptionally lucky and were uncontrollable.

[@joeandrews7329]

1 track was dead.

[@alexwilliams5819]

35:13 Who’s idea was it to make diet milkshake a prize?

[@karlrudd8914]

Diet is cool

[@kinagrill]

Some crazyperson.

[@joeandrews7329]

Foolishness!.

[@legodude494]

I always liked Killertron, but like a lot of the veteran robots in the alter wars, they just weren't up to snuff with the newer competitors. Series 1 it was perfectly fine (even if they only had 4 shots with the weapon), and Series 2 was a good upgrade. Had they entered Series 3, they could have done with some more upgrades. Series 4, they really either needed a major overhaul or a new robot. Killertron was just too immobile, the weapon was too slow and not damaging enough, and they had no srimech. Also as always, Peter Gibson is just a lovely man, and I always love seeing Wheelosaurus, even if it was out of date by even series 2!

[@Makarit1]

Unfortunately true

[@StFidjnr]

34:53 that was the last sumo basho contestant which means confirmation of the FINAL leaderboard

[@Sim0n98]

When I saw the thumbnail I thought there was a robot called Pork Chop 😭

[@YT-er3zx]

Pork Chop XD 😂😂

[@karlrudd8914]

Awww... I wanna bot called pork chop

[@ryanodonovan9497]

That would've been a great follow-up robot to Robopig from the previous series.

[@joeandrews7329]

@@ryanodonovan9497 series 3 in 1999.

[@StFidjnr]

@ 24:36 killatron is out of robot wars series 4 but not without a lack of trying

[@joeandrews7329]

Pitted.

[@mummygiraffepresentsclassi8722]

Killertron with "Two 24 volt molters" 😊 love J.P 😊

[@joeandrews7329]

24v wheelchair motors.

[@brainstorm9560]

This was the first Robot Wars heat I saw as a kid

[@joeandrews7329]

Series 4 heat 8.

[@burzaburza2970]

Killertron wake up, these are not 2nd wars :D

[@joeandrews7329]

4th in series 2.

[@lloydnewman4158]

Da iawn panic attack you done 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 proud. Shunt had no chance

[@joeandrews7329]

Shunt misjudged!.

[@StFidjnr]

@ 21:07 WBC battle against chaos 2 was voted as the best of series 3

[@burzaburza2970]

@Suppertimepuss2 wow can i touch you?

[@berzerkisnotaqt1250]

Suppertimepuss2 for real

[@joeandrews7329]

Big Cheese.

[@rbear1231]

lets go back in time and put tornado in the sumo match

[@joeandrews7329]

Tornado would not stand 1 chance!.

[@cdname47]

8:04 nice claws and saw, shunt! have you been raiding your brothers wardrobe again? :-p

[@mothtolias]

?

[@cdname47]

@@mothtolias dead metals cam is labelled shunt cam if you look closely

[@wheelybigcheese]

This episode is amazing

[@joeandrews7329]

Killertron killed!.

[@jamesmitchell8922]

If you look closely WBC jammed Suicidal Tendencies track at one stage meaning there was no overall control as it was moving on one side.

[@ActOneBSM]

But they had control enough to turn at the perfect times to make WBC go in the pit. It was in control and using that control to win.

[@jamesmitchell8922]

@@ActOneBSM I doubt that. Suicidal Tendencies did that dirty trick to Raizer Blade in the 3rd Wars.

[@ActOneBSM]

@@jamesmitchell8922 but they tried it a couple of times in that final before managing it. Looked deliberate to me. One track may have been broken but other robots have carried on with a wheel missing. They were still in control and proved it by winning. But tbh craig was right and i guess there was some precident for the decision

[@ryanodonovan9497]

@@ActOneBSM Not only that, but Suicidal Tendencies was not in control of Wheely Big Cheese getting pitted. Wheely Big Cheese pitted itself from overzealousness; Suicidal Tendencies was simply trying to keep itself away from the pit. It wasn't the same as when Behemoth immobilised Magnetar fully despite being dead on one side.

[@D3Z112]

Didn't Killertron finished 4th in the second wars and not 3rd?

[@KingCanada]

It did. The reason why they said Killertron placed 3rd and not 4th is because they dropped most references to Cassius, and in particular its driver Rex Garrod, in all wars after the third one. Cassius was mentioned once or twice in the 5th Wars, but that was it. This was all because of Rex Garrod quitting Robot Wars after the 3rd Wars due to health and safety concerns raised after a couple of noteworthy accidents occurred. You can read more up on this in the Team Cassius page on the Robot Wars Wiki.

[@NoobixCube]

@@KingCanada It’s unfortunate, but understandable, that Rex left the series. He was one of the best sportsmen there, not interested in building destructive machines that would wreck the first thing kids had built. Frankly, I’d have left over the same concerns. All health and safety regulations have some calculations to do on acceptable risk in the name of convenience, but it sounds like the failsafes used were really not sufficient, without actually providing greater convenience. Like, one of them in the third wars stopped working just because its switch got hit on the arena floor. You might think that’s the opposite problem, but that means it’s reasonably easy to jostle. I’m hoping that was just the main activation switch, and there was a secondary failsafe in line, but from my reading, I’m doubting that was the case. If I were to write regulations for this, I’d require an electrical disconnection from the electronics, and a mechanical disconnection from drive and weapons, such that even if either disconnect were to fail, and somehow become reconnected, there’d be no way for a serious malfunction. Both would have to fail at the same time.

[@kinagrill]

@@KingCanada Ahh so they went full on malicious rather than take the comments in mind to help ensure that robots featured on TV represents high-end safety, so people seeing it and getting inspired by it is exposed to it with 'and there is safety features in the robots to reduce risks', etc. A lot of those early-bots were rather ramshackle looking not to mention a few that looked extremely well made but had rather suddenly breakdowns and whatnot that clearly indicated that something was wrong on the inside.

[@joeandrews7329]

4th in series 2.

[@Headbanger142]

At least the newest Robot Wars doesn't have the one wheel immobilization rule. Although it probably could have helped that PP3D/Eruption match.

[@kinagrill]

Well as long as there's 'controlled movement' It shouldn't matter how many wheels are functioning. so if the robot can manage to flip around controlabily, it should still count as functional.

[@cr10001]

@@kinagrill Well, Sucidal Tendencies was certainly controllable enough that the Cheese couldn't pit it and fell in first. I would have given the fight to ST, no hesitation. (Before the fight started, I would have bet on the Cheese - I *like* Wheely Big Cheese, but I think ST should have won that one)

[@ryanodonovan9497]

@@cr10001 Suicidal Tendencies couldn't move outside of the circle it was going in, thus it couldn't mobilise properly, therefore it was right to rule against it. And that happened before Wheely Big Cheese went in the pit, which Suicidal Tendencies wasn't the cause behind.

[@ryanodonovan9497]

The rule _was_ there. If a robot can move outside of its circle to mount an attack, fair enough. But if not, it's a fair reason to rule against it. I didn't like that Behemoth didn't get that treatment when immobilised on one side against Magnetar, although I was later alright with it personally as Behemoth immobilised Magnetar fully despite the former's mobility trouble.

[@roryfarrugia7717]

@@ryanodonovan9497was the circle thing really a rule in series 4 tho?

[@sp0nge1337]

22:24 BAH GAWD THE SUPLEX!

[@darrenrock3387]

8:39 you hear sir killalots engine cutting out

[@samfm5244]

No one knows anything about Killertron do they

[@joeandrews7329]

4th in series 2.

[@charlesfrench6813]

I understand that killertron are 4th seeds in second series but because there didn’t show up In series 3 there lost there seeds ranks in series 4 there are unseeded team unlucky killertron

[@josephilsley3028]

Killertron had planned to compete in Series 3, originally scheduled for filming in August '99, only to be delayed by two months, and by then was conflicting with the team's work commitments forcing them to miss out.

[@joeandrews7329]

@@josephilsley3028 Cheers mate.

[@joeandrews7329]

Wheely Big Cheese weighed 79.4 kg in series 4.

[@kinagrill]

Funny how some get seeded even tho it's a totally new robot. it shouldn't be the team that is seeded, right? It's the robot? so going full on 'new robot' should really reset stuff imo.

[@joeandrews7329]

Series 4.

[@cr10001]

I like Wheely Big Cheese and that final could have gone either way - but I'm damn sure Suicidal Tendencies should have won it. BOTH robots appeared to be having some trouble with their driving for much of the fight, and the Cheese never managed to get a good flip in. If only half of ST was working, howcome the Cheese couldn't pit them? They were both dancing on the edge of the pit, IMO it would only be fair that the one to actually fall in should lose.

[@ryanodonovan9497]

What you say about Wheely Big Cheese not being able to pit Suicidal Tendencies and not getting a good flip in is irrelevant. Suicidal Tendencies was dead on one side, and could no longer mobilise properly against Wheely Big Cheese, thus was rightfully ruled as out of it. It doesn't matter if you do all the work and your opponent does nothing in the battle - if you break down before they do, you lose. And it's as simple as that. I'd understand if Suicidal Tendencies pushed Wheely Big Cheese into the pit despite the former's mobility trouble, but it didn't.

[@georgemiser]

I honestly don't think the second war veterans had any place here. Maybe if Killertron 2 had qualified...

[@joeandrews7329]

4th in series 2.

[@Verminator4]

Wheely Big Cheese vs Killertron is a bit of a hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby matchup

[@joeandrews7329]

Big machine.

[@gregoryatkin1509]

As people have said, this is a decision that led to the ratification of why it's like this in future wars but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Suicidal Tendencies showed it was the better robot all the way through the heat, showing incredible control vs Maverick, and then dominating the fight against WBC until its' track snapped. If it had to be a judges' decision ST would have won, but this feels a lot like they really wanted WBC to win, and it's part of the reason i'm not a fan of them. Most of the reason is how the toy would always pin your thumb under the flipper though. Ow.

[@KingCanada]

I honestly don't think it's because they wanted WBC to win. I think they were just trying to follow the rules as they were written. One of the rule changes they enforced after Gemini debuted was that, if one half of a robot was not mobile, the entire robot would be deemed immobilized. It's not a rule that I'm particularly a fan of, outside of clusterbots like Gemini, but that's what the rule was. And you can clearly see that Suicidal Tendencies's left-hand track was completely immobile during the entire last minute of the fight, well beyond the 30-second immobilization rule. It sucks that it happened to ST based on how good of a battle it had with WBC, but that was the only decision the judges could have made based on how the rules were written.

[@gregoryatkin1509]

You're right in one sense, but there's a very strong reason I felt they wanted Wheely Big Cheese to win and that's because of how utterly stacked this round was in its' favour. Look at it objectively - two robots from Series 2 (Killertron and Wheelosaurus), one without a srimech (Maverick), one that had a very underwhelming performance in S3 (Prizephita), and what was supposed to be Blade's Big Bruva before it pulled out - honestly it was a hopeless heat. Suicidal Tendencies was the wild card that the producers didn't want, and they wanted it out so WBC could go through to the Series Semi Finals. Remember that they'd set it up so they would fight what they hoped would be Gemini, and so give Chaos 2 a chance for a 'vengeance' fight against one of its' rivals. Suicidal Tendencies and Tornado were both the flies in the ointment though. After Tornado beat Gemini, I bet the producers didn't want just another push-bot that had no relation to the Grand Champion, and that helped to swing the argument. Again, I can understand why this rule is there, and why that judgement was made, but it wasn't even close to properly enforced throughout the series - Mousetrap vs Sump Thing was my particular nomination for this - look how Mousetrap is limping throughout the fight, and Sump Thing immobilises itself. But Mousetrap got to go through anyway. Either Sump Thing and Wheely Big Cheese should have got the nod, or Mousetrap and Suicidal Tendencies, not any combination of the two. And lets' be honest, this rule is such bullshit it's still used today. Pulsar, anyone? Remember the first head-to-head with Ironside 3 in Series 9, the fact that the Judges UNANIMOUSLY declared Pulsar the winner after Ironside 3 backed off because they thought they'd won? The producers have favourites, and Wheely Big Cheese was one of Series 4's.

[@andersonhill3484]

@@gregoryatkin1509 I hate to be "that guy" but Blade's Big Bruvva was going to be seeded 14th, meaning they would have been in Heat J with Bulldog Breed and Stinger. In fact, had Blade's Big Bruvva and Trident not pulled out, WBC would have been seeded 17th and therefore would have been in heat A with Chaos 2. Basically, heat H was meant to be Bigger Brother Vs Prizephita Vs Wheelosaurus and Stinger vs Killertron Vs Maverick, yet WBC would have Chaos 2 to deal with...I doubt they made this heat to favour it..

[@tufty1990]

I think the rather sudden unveiling of this rule after the same thing happened in Series 3 with no issue.

[@berzerkisnotaqt1250]

Anderson Hill well yes but they could’ve set it up *after* they pulled out, so while it is possible that it wasn’t biased, i still think it may have been on the cards

[@ActOneBSM]

Nahhh suicidal tendancies had control. They were using their one track to turn at the right times to get the cheese in the put. Suicidal tendancies deserved that win

[@ryanodonovan9497]

Wrong. Suicidal Tendencies’ left track was blatantly immobilised, it blatantly did not put Wheely Big Cheese into the pit; the latter clumsily drove itself in, and if for whatever reason you’re unable to properly mobilise against your opponent and they’re still functional, you lose. It’s as simple as that. Wheely Big Cheese won and rightfully so, whether by a technicality or not.

[@supersonic64able]

sorry Craig, but I'm not paying for a tv license

[@tylervielie5767]

Enter Wheely Big Cheese!

[@joeandrews7329]

Semi finalist twice Roger Plant was.

[@burzaburza2970]

Houserobots not really fair vs Smidsy

[@joeandrews7329]

Sentients.

[@93MANIAC]

Suicidal Tendancies really got screwed over

[@ryanodonovan9497]

No, it didn't. It seized up on one side and could no longer mobilise properly against Wheely Big Cheese. The officials didn't do that - it was just an unfortunate occurrence that happens sometimes, and you shouldn't be out of it before your opponent for any reason, whether you do more or less than them in the battle. So the judges were right to rule against Suicidal Tendencies.

[@mothtolias]

very inconsistent decision by the judges to allow WBC to pass through that first match...

[@mothtolias]

and then they drove into the pit in the final too! absolutely outrageous! what on earth were the judges thinking?? s. tendancies absolutely deserved that win and were robbed blind!

[@florix7889]

@@mothtolias sucscidal tendancy was immoblized and Couldn't move so it was out of the fight. The match was already over when wbc went in the pit

[@karlrudd8914]

Well they have mostly eliminated the first bot immobilised regardless of who's in the pit in the past. But sometimes it does seem bullshit

[@Dead25m]

No they weren't, pay attention

[@ryanodonovan9497]

@@mothtolias Wrong. Suicidal Tendencies was dead on one side, couldn't mobilise properly far before Wheely Big Cheese DROVE ITSELF into the pit (Suicidal Tendencies didn't pit it), thus Suicidal Tendencies lost rightfully. Also, Prizephita was immobilised completely before Wheely Big Cheese went in the pit in Round 1. There's no inconsitency at all - you're just not looking and listening properly.

[@tyreesetjjoyner1995]

Suicidal Tendencies should of won heat H. They were on top in heat H, but in the heat H final, their track was immobolized for too long and got robbed on a judges decision. Talk about controversial. If Suicidal Tendencies hadn’t immobilized their track, they would clinch a place in Semifinal A, not Wheely Big Cheese.

[@classicsportclassictiyl8547]

Suicidal Tendencies had the same problem they had in Series 3 against Raizor Blade a seized gearbox which caused the track to stop working

[@tyreesetjjoyner1995]

@@classicsportclassictiyl8547 you got that right. Suicidal Tendencies have been robbed.

[@Javnerd]

@@tyreesetjjoyner1995 they weren't really robbed if they have reliability problems and caused themselves to be immobilised

[@florix7889]

So you're basically saying sucscidal tendancy would have won if it didn't break down ? Yeah I think everyone can agree on that lol but it did so it lost

[@Dead25m]

Maybe build a robot that doesn't break down and they'd have gone through. You can't rob yourself you spanner.

[@luggiseppelberger1562]

What a pathetic "weapon" Maverick´s sand shovel was. Did they really expect to lift any other robot with that? Ridiculous!

[@joeandrews7329]

He was a Nickelodeon tag team winner as Rick with Ming 3 v USA.

[@TruthSikher]

X-Terminator were robbed

[@ryanodonovan9497]

How was it robbed? No injustice was perpetrated against it - it lost the Sumo Basho because of bad luck that Shunt hit the floor before Panic Attack, and bad luck happens.

[@berzerkisnotaqt1250]

He posted the vid twice 🤦‍♂️

[@darudesandstrom1067]

The more I watch classic robot wars, the more it becomes clear that the producers rigged this show to send through the robots they preferred. Wheely big cheese should have never have progressed, I can understand why the suicidal tendencies team would be annoyed

[@ryanodonovan9497]

Suicidal Tendencies was rightfully ruled against when it could no longer mobilise properly against Wheely Big Cheese. The producers didn't cause that - it was just an unfortunate occurrence that happens sometimes, and it's fair to say that you shouldn't die before your opponent for any reason, whether you're the better in a fight or not. If you think that's rigging, you don't even know what rigging is.

[@darudesandstrom1067]

@@ryanodonovan9497 it’s not just this instance mate, watch some series 3-4 fights and they are clearly rigged to the more favourable robot. Happened a lot back then

[@ryanodonovan9497]

@@darudesandstrom1067 You'd have to be more specific than that. Besides, if you can look that deep, you'll see that Robot Wars wasn't about that. There were terrible judges' decisions here and there, but most official calls were fair, and this was one of them.

[@darudesandstrom1067]

@@ryanodonovan9497 have you ever watched robot wars before? Partial immobilisation happened all the time, and tbf in this instance Suicidal tendencies still controlled the fight and wheely big cheese drive itself into the pit. Not just that WBC had their own driving problems in this very fight. WBC did nothing during the fight, and even when ST had their driving problems they ended up driving into the pit. That is NOT a winner. They didn’t deserve the win, end of. Rigged, whether you like it or not. And I’m a fan of WBC, but even I can see it clearly

[@ryanodonovan9497]

@@darudesandstrom1067 What you think you see here is nothing but delusion, which is your problem. Suicidal Tendencies was immobilised on one side, thus couldn't properly fight against Wheely Big Cheese anymore. It doesn't matter if you do all the work and your opponent does nothing - if you break down for whatever reason before your opponent is out of it (which is what happened to Suicidal Tendencies) you lose, and it's as simple as that. So no, there was no rigging here, and you haven't proved otherwise. You're just in denial. And yes, I have watched Robot Wars all the way through, so don't try that crap with me. You're wrong - end of.

[@nrage40]

Anything more boring than robot pinball? UGHHHHH!!!!!!!

[@GilesHellier]

Yes! - Robot Soccer! :)