Was Brian JONES So IMPORTANT To The Rolling STONES? | Full Documentary

The Rolling Stones
Brian Jones, the founding member of The Rolling Stones, was a multi-talented musician and a pivotal figure in the 1960s rock and roll scene. However, the assessment of his impact and contribution to the band and the music industry as a whole has been a subject of debate among fans and critics alike.
Brian Jones was born as Lewis Brian Hopkin Jones at the Park Nursing Home in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, on Saturday, February 28, 1942, Brian came from a well-off, middle-class family. He attended a private junior school and later earned a spot at a local grammar school, where he excelled academically. His father, a pianist, organist, and choir leader at their local church, had high hopes that Brian would follow in his footsteps and attend university.
Brian’s musical prowess did not extend to composing but examples of his talent can be heard on numerous Stones recordings, among them, his slide guitar on “I’m a King Bee,” “Little Red Rooster,” and “No Expectations” from Beggars Banquet. He plays the sitar on “Street Fighting Man” and “Paint It, Black;” organ on “Let’s Spend the Night Together;” marimba on “Under My Thumb” and “Out Of Time;” recorder on “Ruby Tuesday;” dulcimer and harpsichord on “Lady Jane;” saxophone and oboe on “Dandelion;” mellotron on “She’s A Rainbow;” and his harmonica playing graces “Not Fade Away,” “2120 South Michigan Avenue,” and “Prodigal Son.”
Was Brian Jones So Important To The Rolling Stones? In This video we delve into his musical journey and examine as a multi-talented musician and a pivotal figure in the 1960s rock and roll scene.
Sources & References:
- Brian Jones and The Stones 2023 (BBC Two)
- Rolling Stone: Life and Death of Brian Jones (2019)
- Rolling Stone: Crossfire Hurricane (2012)
- The Rolling Stones: Charlie Is My Darling - Ireland 1965
- The Rolling Stones
- Wikipedia
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[@Kevin-zz9nc]

They didn't need a synthesizer.....Brian WAS the synthesizer.

[@elmolewis9123]

The only albums I ever owned had either Brian or Mick Taylor. Brian's creativity and Mick T's musicianship gave the Stones their sustainability. I left them years ago.

[@bluegryp]

The Some girls album is the exception. That was the only top tier Ronnie Wood era record.

[@williardbillmore5713]

So they are sustainable but you as a fan are not? Oh that makes perfect sense.

[@SuperAnimelover100]

I dig it !!! Gotcha . :)

[@johncook30284]

Brian's reported drug habit left him without the will to play it seems. And if the manager was pushing Mick Jagger to the front and only allowing Jagger to be interviewed ( a situation alleged in a different KZbin video) Brian had too many not for him.

[@williardbillmore5713]

@@johncook30284 Brian's alcoholism was worse than his drug habits and did a lot more damage to his body. The drugs damaged more his brain. We can't ignore that when Brian broke his wrist attempting to punch Anita Pallenberg in the face in a Morocco hotel room, that the bones in his wrist reportedly didn't heal properly and it made playing guitar painful and difficult for him. It was around that time when Brian announced to the band that he was bored with guitar and he quit playing it altogether. When Brian tried to do interviews with the press he would often be so drunk or stoned that he would get profane and nasty with everyone in the room and the band. That had to stop and Andy made sure it did, as any good manager should do. Even if he was a bit high Mick could comport himself with dignity and control. Brian was his own worst enemy.

[@djacidkingcidguerreiro9780]

Brian Jones WAS the heart and soul of the Rolling Stones. The Stones were at their greatest 1963-69, before the rot set in.

[@DS-yg4qs]

Their best albums were from 1967 to 1974 period... that is a fact. Now there is also nostalgia😅

[@captainfantastic9158]

​@@DS-yg4qs1967? You're including SATANIC MAJESTIES as a "best album?" Not even a diehard Stones fan would make a claim like that! 😂

[@tomislavmihalic5283]

The heart of the Stones have always been Keith and Mick. If you don't realize that, I am sorry for you, but you're a lost case.

[@TheaterPup]

"Jimi Hendrix was honored to attend a Rolling Stones recording session for Ruby Tuesday. It was really Brian Jones' session. He was the master of the sound, and the various exotic instruments he played all fused into a melodic experience that expanded the parameters of the Rolling Stones' sound. Ruby Tuesday became number one as they hung out together. Brian was ecstatic over its success. He loved to hear it by chance, on the radio in his Rolls Royce, in a club, or out of a solitary window they happened to pass. Brian would tell with great relish of how he and Keith Richards worked and worked on coloring, adding dramatic yet wispy touches here and there, alternating the mix between lead voice and background vocal harmonies, while interplaying exotic instruments. Sounds that were impossible to identify gave Ruby Tuesday an eternal air of mystery and yearning."--'Scuse Me While I Kiss the Sky: Jimi Hendrix: Voodoo Child, by David Henderson

[@SuperAnimelover100]

Right on, Theater Pup. :)

[@TheaterPup]

"... He was a very talented guy, and I don't regret a day working with him and meeting him and putting the Stones together with him. I wouldn't have missed that for anything... Brian deserves credit for his drive in putting the band together and putting it on a solid footing. If the band had remained what our limited horizons for it were, which was a hip London club band, it would have been fine. But he pushed us to be more." - Keith Richards, Boston Globe, 1989

[@ronnieron9912]

Notice Williard ignores this from Keith himself, lmao. ' Brian deserves credit for his drive in putting the band together and putting it on a solid footing.'

[@TheaterPup]

@@ronnieron9912 Keith would cross the street to avoid Williard, lol.

[@ronnieron9912]

@@TheaterPup True. Williard is a psychotic loser, lol.

[@SuperAnimelover100]

Brian was the person that created the Rolling Stones in the beginning. He chose the music. He chose the name. He was the leader. He signed all the recording contracts, the management contracts, all kinds of things. Brian was the originator. Bill Wyman said, Brian Jones formed the band. He chose the members. He named the band. He chose the music we played. He got us gigs.

[@elenikorkodelaki2695]

BRIAN JONES was the most important Rolling Stone 🎸👏👏.. A Genius ⭐💫..

[@SuperAnimelover100]

@@elenikorkodelaki2695 Well said Eleni !!!! :):)

[@williardbillmore5713]

It is all lies. Bill was not in the band when he claims all these things happened with Brian. Bill Wyman is a liar. Brian joined Keith's band in April or May and Bill did not join the band until mid December 1962, almost 1963. Bill was not there when Mick Keith and Dick Taylor founded the Blue Boys in 1961 ... the same band who changed their name to the Rollin Stones. Bill was not there to hear the repertoire of the Blue Boys before Brian joined Keith's band when most of what they played was Blues songs. Bill was not there when Brian asked if he could join Keith's blues band the Blue Boys. Bill was not there when they changed their name to the Rolling Stones from the Blue Boys and Bill was not there when they played their debut performance at the Marquee Club in July of 1962. Dick Taylor was Mick and Keith's bass player when all that happened. Bill was at the other end of London playing bass for a band called the Cliftons and he did not know Keith, Mick or Brian at that time. Everything Bill says about the early Rolling Stones are lies. BILL WAS NOT THERE.

[@williardbillmore5713]

The only group that Brian Jones created, was the 27 Club.

[@williardbillmore5713]

You see, Brian was a malignant narcissist and a braggadocious serial compulsive liar. Bill was his best friend in the band, maybe in the world and they roomed together when they were on tour. Bill was not in the band for the first eight months after Brian joined, so he knew nothing about how the band formed or who made the decisions or who was in charge... Brian filled his head with lies about how he auditioned and hired the band members, named the band, booked the gigs and was the musical leader deciding what they played and how they played it. None of it, of course, was true but Bill believed him , or at least he seemed to believe him. After Brian tragically died the only one willing to do interviews about Brian was Bill and he would go on and on retelling the lies that brian had told him over the course of six years . The writers and journalists would then quote Bill as though everything he said was the gospel truth because after all...He was a member of the band wasn't he?...they would never check their source to see if Bill was even in the band at the time he supposedly remembered all the things that he says Brian did... Poor journalism. Then all the writers and journalists started quoting and embellishing on each other's gossipy stories as well as quoting Wyman and all his nonsense. Thus the legend was born. Complete with made up stories and extended myths about Brian writing many songs without getting credit for his "musical genius" and tales of having his band "stolen" from him.. One writer ( Paul Trynka) wrote such gushing lies about Brian that some pages in his books contained the words "musical genius" more than the words "the" and "and". They always portrayed Mick and Keith as the evil plotters who stole poor Brian's songs and his girl friend and his band and Brian as the angelic victim who fell under their oppression and bullying. Nothing could be further from the truth, but It sold books.. There never was a shortage of musical geniuses in The Rolling Stones but Brian Jones was certainly NOT one of them. Jones was a poser, a psychopath and a phoney.

[@djinnmagik4817]

This was the best and most complete RIP Brian Jones documentary on KZbin 🙏🏼 Thanks for sharing! Thanks for posting!

[@RockinRollinOne]

Wow, thank you! Glad you enjoyed it! 🙌😉✨🎶❤️

[@vspenceful]

Brian Jones brought the kind of thing to the stones that Beatles had as an entire band. He often took what might sound simple and made it sound complex. He added sounds to the songs that made the whole song standout. The only LP I ever had after he left was Beggars Banquet. I knew something was missing after that. A lot of their music, after he left, was sort of been there, done that as far as I was concerned.

[@williardbillmore5713]

You missed their best work.

[@LynneFowler-h1g]

​@@williardbillmore5713NOPE.

[@ronnieron9912]

@@williardbillmore5713 You missed being a person who uses facts instead of your fantasy stories you make up about Brian.

[@davidgagnon3781]

@@williardbillmore5713 They became a good Rock n Roll band after the Mick Taylor period. But that's all.

[@williardbillmore5713]

@@davidgagnon3781 Most fans agree that the Mick Taylor years were the Stones at their finest.

[@dcore64]

Brian was the Stones. Period!

[@ernesttenesmus6757]

Stones were great fun back in the day.

[@nvm9040]

Rest in peace to Brian on the anniversary of his death 🕊️ He was the founder of the band and early stages of the band he was the manager of the band He was the blues purist that was pleased with his band making the blues music

[@williardbillmore5713]

Jones did NOT "found"the Rolling Stones. He joined Keith's band the Blues Boys. The only group that Jones founded was the 27 club.

[@elenikorkodelaki2695]

Of course Brian Jones was important and he will be forever. He was the FOUNDER of the Stones!! A brilliant multitalendet musician! After Brian Jones the magic ✨..was lost! Respect to his memory 🙏

[@TheBatugan77]

Psssh. He was a drug-adled no load.

[@elenikorkodelaki2695]

​@@TheBatugan77Psssssss.. Who are you to judge???? Are you the perfect person???? So much ironic 😏 hate... Relax!

[@TheaterPup]

@@TheBatugan77Psst you’re a pathetic excuse for a troll.

[@SuperAnimelover100]

@@elenikorkodelaki2695 You tell it, Eleni !!!! Well said !!!!!!! :):):)

[@donaldcolucci2557]

@@TheBatugan77 that’s pretty rich … source’s say The Rolling Stones had a bit of a reputation for “drug-aduled”

[@davidgagnon3781]

The Brian Jones period is my favorite phase of The Rolling Stones. The Mick Taylor period was good too. After that, there was nothing special about The Stones. They were one Rock n Roll band among many.

[@Martinique325]

I down think there's anything special about their music with Ronnie Wood.

[@ClassicRockFilms]

Keeping the Brian Jones spirit ALIVE !!

[@williardbillmore5713]

You mean ,keeping the Brian Jones lies alive.

[@SuperAnimelover100]

@@williardbillmore5713 Love that Doobie Brothers song , What a fool believes .

[@donaldcolucci2557]

@@ClassicRockFilms stones musically became less entertaining after Brian

[@ronnieron9912]

@@williardbillmore5713 Only lies are yours when Mick, Keith, Stu, Oldham. Korner, and Dick Taylor ALL refute your BS nonsense. Even in this video they all say Brian was the most talented and started the Stones. YOU LOSE!

[@ronnieron9912]

@@SuperAnimelover100 What Willaird the fool believes you mean.

[@jamesewanchook2276]

I love Brian...

[@terencehennegan1439]

No Jones, No stones…Simple. Same can be said of the Beatles, No Lennon, No Beatles. We all lose our way sometimes, he deserved more help and support. A hiatus would have helped. Richards was envious of Brian he besmirched him after his death. Excellent video 👌

[@giordanodimarzo4205]

No Jones : Sticky Fingers , Let it Bleed , Exile , Goat head Soup

[@stevep4574]

They're still great all these years regardless, but not the same without Brian. Somethings missing 😕 😢 😕 😢

[@SuperAnimelover100]

So TRUE !!!

[@aminahmed2220]

What a fantastic video have a wonderful weekend ❤❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@elseMa5194]

Tremendous Rolling Stones Thanks for posting ❤

[@79tazman]

If there was no Brian Jones there would of been no Rolling Stones so how is that to answer the "Was Brian Jones so important to the rolling stones" question. It's like asking how important was Jim Morrison to the Doors.

[@tomislavmihalic5283]

The tragedy of Brian was that he was important for a certain spell of time, but wasn't crucial. Had he been crucial, the Stones would have ceased to exist in 1969. A good point in the eternal lesson titled "no one is irreplaceable". Learn to live with it, or be consumed by futile past.

[@Martinique325]

I respectfully disagree. After 1969, The Stones never recaptured what Brian brought to the table prior to his drinking/drugging downfall. Mick Taylor's contribution was great too. Nevertheless he couldn't recapture what Brian did to their music.

[@zhoulijun6296]

Lady Jane is more boroque than psychadelic

[@JesusMagicPanties]

Baroque itself as a style is inherently psychedelic especially bearing in mind that Rococo is its crowning glory (even including the very name).

[@alaincelos476]

For any musician !!! It IS incredibly heardable ,before 1969 it was music !!!!

[@TheaterPup]

“In 1966, I witnessed, on numerous occasions, the remarkable spell Brian would cast while working in the recording studio. Mick and Keith would bring songs in, Brian would listen and effectively take charge, and everyone was in awe of him. He was a real perfectionist. While recording the recorder part in Ruby Tuesday he explained to me that he had to do it over again as he had been a quarter tone off tune."--Prince Stash Klossowski de Rola (artist and friend of the Stones) in Brian Jones: Butterfly in the Park.

[@briandillon8041]

The thing, Brian, Jones, and Mick Taylor had in common was that Mick Jagger made sure they never got credited for their writing. therefore never got any royalties. For example, the marimba lick on under my thumb was what the song was built around. But no credit.. So Brian have nothing to live on after being kicked out of the band. His fate was sealed.

[@ronnieron9912]

Exactly, Jagger and Richards are publishing thieves!

[@philippemeysman5338]

No Jones No Stones

[@Martinique325]

I always described Brian's contribution as layering different soundscapes and texture to their music. The Stones were doing something different than all the bands around at the given time. In all, Brian could play 28 different instruments. That gives a new definition to multi-instramentationalist. _Some of the brightest stars burn out the quickest._ When my dad died in 2017, I provided a bunch of family pictures for the funeral home, so they could create a DVD to be shown at the funeral home visitation. I chose "No Expectations" as the music to the video. I get emotional every time I hear that song, and that's been for many years now. In the end, Brian got jipped. He should have received music credit on each of those songs mentioned. He wrote his delcimer, sitar, marimba, mellotron, recorder, etc. lines. Mick and Keith didn't write the portion of those instramentational lines. That was all Brian. So he wasn't a lyricist. There is so much more to a piece of music than the words. Look at it this way using Pink Floyd as an example. Roger Waters is one of the greatest lyricists in modern music, yet I wouldn't place him in the top 20 bassists of all time. David Gilmour and Richard Wright pretty much wrote the music to the lyrics. Richard Wright could write lyrics, but David Gilmour was never that good at it. There is no doubt that Roger Waters era was when they did their best body of work. He was thrust into that role with Syd Barrett's departure. The era of David Gilmour in the 1980's was their weakest era.

[@Stublinsky]

"Was Brian JONES So IMPORTANT To The Rolling STONES?" Oh I don't know, was Jimmy Page so important to Led Zeppelin ????

[@jimmeryellis]

It's a shame that the commentary is klunky computer ai generated speach. Brian Jones was a great musician, my personal favorite Stones album was the US version of Between The Buttons. Though the UK version with two different tracks on it was pretty good too. I remember them from that time, and i agree with Frank Zappa's verdict. 'Best album the Stones ever did'. :)

[@ClassicRockFilms]

any band today would have split royalties equally - Bill Started riff for Jumping Jack Flash Etc Etc - but hey Mick & Keith were in control

[@williardbillmore5713]

Mick and Keith WROTE THE SONGS. That is why they got the credits.

[@TheaterPup]

Queen had the right idea by sharing credit. Not only is it fair, it more accurately reflects the song writing process.

[@williardbillmore5713]

@@TheaterPup Queen had the right idea for a band where all four of them could and did write hit records. The Rolling Stones did not have that luxury. Only Mick and Keith had the ability to write hit records so they had to do things differently. Lyric and melodies only came to two of them.

[@donaldcolucci2557]

@@williardbillmore5713 I doubt no one else was involved in writing ,but the glimmer twins are good,occasionally really good , but never as entertaining as they were when Brian was with them Heck the greatful dead wanted to kick jerry out of the band because of his drug habit -….naturally 2guys with huge egos like Mck and Keith are just going to say “F “ that dude ,besides that means more dope for them, although I don’t think they did that sort of thing 🤔

[@williardbillmore5713]

@@donaldcolucci2557 Most fans would disagree with your assessment...The general consensus among Stones fans is that they did their best work in the early 70s just after Jones departed.. None of the band were complete strangers to drug use but Jones was over the top obsessed with being as high as he could be all of the time. Mick points out that Brian could no longer function as a musician, but in fact, we all found out that he could no longer function as a human being.

[@user-hq4bm5bq4r]

The Rolling Stones without Brian Jones = ZERO

[@bluehorizons2508]

For me personally, the songs and music of the Rolling Stones during their founding Brian Jones 'era' were FAR better than the later 70s+ pop-rock (mostly) crap they began to churn out!!.. 🤷‍♂️

[@mary-annmckerchar8588]

"I was trying to get a band going but I was unsuccessful until I joined up with Mick and Keith." Straight from the horse's mouth

[@TheaterPup]

As were Mick and Keith before they joined up with Brian. What was your point again?

[@williardbillmore5713]

Brian was UNSUCCESSFUL at trying to start his own band, so he asked Keith if he and Ian could join Keith's band and Keith agreed. Funny that Brian Jones worshipers will not believe Brian's own words when it doesn't fit their narrative..

[@williardbillmore5713]

@@TheaterPup The point is that Mick and Keith and Dick Taylor WERE successful at starting a band who sounded very impressively just like the Rolling Stones six months BEFORE Brian joined them. The recordings they made prove that out, puppy. Jagger's unmistakable vocal style and Keith's eclectic and driving rhythm and blues guitar sound are there on early Blues Boys recordings well before Brian joined, for anyone to hear.

[@lylecampbell9036]

​@@williardbillmore5713BS

[@lylecampbell9036]

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[@TheaterPup]

I gave this channel another chance, but if it’s going to allow the same creepy haters to post, then I’ll stick to the ones with actual Stones fans, and leave this channel to the dregs of troll misery. 😂

[@SargonofQueens]

I like the stones even though they followed the Beatles’ footsteps and became popular. Because they just did it better.

[@calvinguile1315]

Everyone always leaves out his creepy, haunting, mellotron touches on Jigsaw Puzzle ❤

[@MaureenDeVries-wd9mh]

My favorite song in BB!

[@terenzo50]

Until the drugs took over, damn right he was important. White kids needed to see white kids playing black music. I don't know why that is, but it is. The Brits were a bit less racist than the Americans when it came to music.

[@gobbism]

The content is decent but the robot voice gets old.

[@aileenjackson1706]

His parent's should have taken him somewhere for help.

[@MichaelGallant-on4bi]

Somewhere...

[@richardsnodgrass8647]

I like the memories. Not the AI. . . . Just saying. ✌❤

[@radiomindchatter7994]

I thought what Brian did on Ruby Tuesday was so good..

[@thomaswilliams3519]

Great subject matter but this video seems to have an AI kind of repetitiveness.

[@terri-b7492]

Was Brian Jones important to The Rolling Stones,he was The Rolling Stones,nuff said

[@fuchsiaswing8545]

No, he wasn’t. And that’s absurd to say that.

[@TheaterPup]

@@fuchsiaswing8545Actually he was.

[@fuchsiaswing8545]

@@TheaterPup He wasn't the Rolling Stones. They go nowhere if he’s the principal member. Indeed, he was crucial in their formative years, but you're parroting Bill Wyman’s recollections, which are biased and inaccurate. Bill wasn't even there at the earliest period. Brian couldn't write original material. His guitar playing was below par by the mid-1960s. He was unreliable and futile in the last few years with the band. What you're saying is ridiculous.

[@TheaterPup]

@@fuchsiaswing8545 Take that nonsense to your other trolls buddies, sweetie. 😂 I’ll stick with the actual Stones fans.

[@fuchsiaswing8545]

@@TheaterPup Actual Stones fans don't over-romanticize Brian or Mick Taylor. You're the noobs who just discovered the Stones.

[@MarcOrtizdeCandia-qi8yb]

Brian Jones remains the founder of The Rolling Stones yet he was given no songwriting credit for his contributions to their music. What Jagger-Richards, and Andrew Loog-Oldham, did to Brian Jones's psyche was sinful and will not be forgiven. The narrator delivers plenty of mistakes and misinformation to the uninformed, misinformed; including and not limited to confusing a blues song with a psychedelic tune. Nevertheless… Brian Jones remains one of the most innovative multi-instrumentalists in musicology. God Bless Brian Jones. Sleep In Heavenly Peace.

[@TheBatugan77]

Brian didn't compose jackshit.

[@MarcOrtizdeCandia-qi8yb]

@@TheBatugan77 Imagine “Paint It Black” or “Ruby Tuesday” or “No Expectations” or… Without the Inventive Musicianship of Brian Jones.

[@TheaterPup]

@@TheBatugan77He composed an entire film score. And he was the arranger for the Stones’ songs. He was their George Martin. You’re not a Stones fan, dude. Jog on.

[@ronnieron9912]

@@TheBatugan77 Bullshit. Get a clue!

[@johnmcgettigan4243]

No Brian No Rolling Stones

[@williardbillmore5713]

No Jones= Better Rolling Stones. There best work and greatest success was AFTER 1970.

[@SuperAnimelover100]

@@williardbillmore5713 LIES !

[@williardbillmore5713]

@@SuperAnimelover100 Oh really?? Okay so cite for me a period in the band's history when they sold more albums. Filled more arenas ALL OVER THE WORLD and received more critical acclaim,than the four or five years just after they fired the drunk drugged out guy with the fluffy blonde hair. No Jones = Better Rolling Stones.

[@ronnieron9912]

@@williardbillmore5713 Nope. Most hits with Jones. Go take a pill and be quiet!

[@Bwahzehdezooner]

It'd be great if somebody could edit the AI's interpretations of the narration...which is also AI. Watch the homonyms.

[@deepspacepilot]

15:17 they needed the money

[@dragicavrtelova6332]

❤❤❤

[@jerryrichards8172]

He was important because he started them but the last 50s not much.

[@kidtexaus1]

I appreciate the post and all that went into it. However, an hour and a half of waxing poetic about Brian’s Olympian talent quickly becomes annoying and repetitive. Using a human narrator would have been an improvement too.

[@davemac9563]

He was, and then he wasn’t. Either get with the program and try to change with the group, or go your own way. Sadly he went the wrong way and died too young. I’ll admire and appreciate Brian’s contributions but the fact that the stones are still playing to this day shows Mick and Keith are the ones worth the credit for keeping the band relevant. Brian became more of a legend since he was 27 when he died and was another rock and roll victim that his importance was exaggerated to some degree. For some reason that melancholic attachment society has for these figures overshadows the work of many bands beyond their most popular member

[@TheaterPup]

By your logic, the Beatles were no longer relevant after 1970. So yeah, your logic is nonsense. The fact is Brian's influence also kept the band remembered. It's his era hits that most audiences remember (Paint it Black, Ruby Tuesday, etc.).

[@williardbillmore5713]

The band's success always revolved around the undeniable and unmistakable talents of the bands main writers and performers Mick and Keith. Jones was a poser and a hanger on. Most of what is written about Brian Jones is sentimental myth and flat out lies.

[@davemac9563]

@@TheaterPup that makes no sense. The Beatles were done, and were already legends even before they broke up. The stones aren’t the same. Brian contributed to hits, but Richards and Jagger still put in more of the work in the songs. Brian couldn’t write songs himself to save his life.

[@TheaterPup]

@@davemac9563 Honey, Brian was a legend before he died, he was the most popular member of the Stones, and a 60s icon by himself. Multiple sources indicate that Brian would arrange the songs they brought in, which is just as important as writing. He also should have received co-credit on multiple songs. It sounds like you've been listening to some out of date propaganda.

[@TheBatugan77]

​@@TheaterPup👈😆 His era. Not his hits, TheaterPoop.

[@brianbard3410]

If you ha e ever played with someone who is insecure it's a creative dead end beacuse they can't bring themselves to agree with you, or they don't want to share music and ideas for the spector of everyone out to get insecure passive aggressive people makes it next to impossible at that point why bother, it's going to get stupid

[@mikec6733]

Even the early Marquis Club ad said "Mick Jagger and the Rolling Stones". Interesting...

[@davidgagnon3781]

Well, Mick Jagger was the front man, so that only makes sense. Though it's not always done like that. I'm specifically thinking about how it was never Jim Morrison and The Doors. But it's not unusual to list the front man before the band.

[@stu8506]

I hate robots.

[@Bwahzehdezooner]

Actually, the intro riff was Keith, on a Les Paul. That doesn't take anything away from Brian, however.

[@franktaconelli9095]

since it was Brian’s band I would think he was important! and Mick Taylor is one of the most inspired, soulful guitar virtuosos on the planet; the fact we’re still discussing the Stones in 2024 is due to the on-stage reputation they earned during the Mick Taylor years

[@williardbillmore5713]

The Rolling Stones were NEVER " Brian's band" They were ALWAYS Keith's band as they remain to this day.

[@ronnieron9912]

@@williardbillmore5713 Nope. Plenty of proof out there that you are wrong as usual. You live in kiss Keith's ass fantasy land, lol.

[@user-fu2mi1nd5l]

Of course he was....they needed someone to sacrifice

[@williardbillmore5713]

Bullshite. Jones did not found the Rolling Stones and he did not name the band or influence the music that they played.. The Blue Boys, Keith's band, had been playing blues songs and recording them months before Brian Jones asked to join them and they sounded just like the Rolling Stones with Micks unmistakable vocal style and Keith's eclectic and driving rhythm and Blues sound ...without Brian Jones. Seven years later Brian left the band and they actually got much better and more successful immediately after Brian departed. Almost everything written about Brian Jones are myths and a lies. Jones was a poser and a phoney , who got very wealthy and famous on the talents of his bandmates. In fact Brian brought very little to The Rolling Stones sound, nothing at all to their catalog and he was the least talented of the entire group. He could not write , he could not sing, he could not improvise and he could not dance. At best Brian was a mediocre rhythm guitarist who learned almost everything he did in the band from Keith Richards.

[@TheBatugan77]

Yep.

[@TheBatugan77]

Exactly.

[@williardbillmore5713]

@@TheBatugan77 I have been trying to educate Saint Brian worshippers on the truth about their idol. Almost everything written about Brian are lies.

[@daryljackson3430]

So we have been lied to all these years?

[@williardbillmore5713]

​@@daryljackson3430 Absolutely, Daryl. You see, Brian was a malignant narcissist and a braggadocious serial compulsive liar. Bill was his best friend in the band, maybe in the world and they roomed together when they were on tour. Bill was not in the band for the first eight months after Brian joined, so he knew nothing about how the band formed or who made the decisions or who was in charge... Brian filled his head with lies about how he auditioned and hired the band members, named the band, booked the gigs and was the musical leader deciding what they played and how they played it. None of it, of course, was true but Bill believed him , or at least he seemed to believe him. After Brian tragically died the only one willing to do interviews about Brian was Bill and he would go on and on retelling the lies that brian had told him over the course of six years . The writers and journalists would then quote Bill as though everything he said was the gospel truth because after all...He was a member of the band wasn't he?...they would never check their source to see if Bill was even in the band at the time he supposedly remembered all the things that he says Brian did... Poor journalism. Then all the writers and journalists started quoting and embellishing on each other's gossipy stories as well as quoting Wyman and all his nonsense. Thus the legend was born. Complete with made up stories and extended myths about Brian writing many songs without getting credit for his "musical genius" and tales of having his band "stolen" from him.. One writer ( Paul Trynka) wrote such gushing lies about Brian that some pages in his books contained the words "musical genius" more than the words "the" and "and". They always portrayed Mick and Keith as the evil plotters who stole poor Brian's songs and his girl friend and his band and Brian as the angelic victim who fell under their oppression and bullying. Nothing could be further from the truth, but It sold books.. There never was a shortage of musical geniuses in The Rolling Stones but Brian Jones was certainly NOT one of them. Jones was a poser, a psychopath and a phoney.

[@nihilistlivesmatter]

Jones Fantasist Fan boys : 'No Jones no Stones!!! Reeee!!!!' Brian Jones :'I was just sort of bumming around waiting for something to happen really you know I had quite a few jobs and uh I was trying to get a band going but it was unsuccessful until I met up with Mick and Keith' Case closed

[@TheaterPup]

It’s called having humility. It’s for intelligent people. You wouldn’t understand.

[@nihilistlivesmatter]

@@TheaterPup It's called telling the truth....You wouldn't understand

[@SuperAnimelover100]

@@TheaterPup You people better listen to , Theater Pup !!!! She told the TRUTH and nothing but the TRUTH !!! Some people can't handle the TRUTH !! The TRUTH sometimes just HURTS !

[@TheaterPup]

@@SuperAnimelover100 😁

[@SuperAnimelover100]

@@TheaterPup :):)

[@williardbillmore5713]

Brian did not "found" the Rolling Stones. All the real evidence points to he and Ian Joining Keith's band the Blue Boys just before they changed their name to the Rollin Stones. Their debut at the Marquee Club was the entire Blue Boys band with the addition of Brian and Ian.... The Blue Boys were founded by Mick, Keith and Dick Taylor the year before.

[@dannygreen1964]

Without Brian Jones, there would be no Rolling Stones. However, without any more comments from @williardbillmore5713, there would be...uh...umm...hmm. Well gosh, I guess no one would really care.

[@williardbillmore5713]

@@dannygreen1964 Jones was the least talented of the Rolling Stones and the least essential to their success. Evidence shows that he did not "found or form" the band and he did not name or lead them either. Jones was an opportunist, a slacker and a poser who became wealthy and famous on the talents of Keith and Mick. i do not care if you do not want to find out the truth about Jones an i will continue to tell what I know to be true about hi.

[@dannygreen1964]

Sorry Williard, but you're wrong. There is no “real evidence” to support your claims. Brian Jones did found the Rolling Stones. He named the band. He booked the first few gigs. He got more fan mail than the rest of them. Women adored him. Young boys wanted to be him. Michael Clarke from the Byrds got his drumming gig because he had a Brian Jones hairdo. He was pals with John Lennon and Jimi Hendrix. He partied with British and European aristocracy . He held court at the Monterey Pop Festival. Just because you dogmatically slap down any worthwhile aspects of Brian Jones doesn't mean he was worthless or talentless. What's your point in trying to discredit a sad celebrity who’s been over 50 years in his grave?

[@williardbillmore5713]

@@dannygreen1964 I don't like lies being told and repeated about one of my favorite bands. Do you know who was on stage at the Marquee Club for the evening of July 12th 1962 playing for the first time under the name of the Rollin Stones? I bet you have no clue and you are not even curious because you have believed the lies for so long. I dare you to look it up and learn. The info is out there in many places It is well documented. You are most likely too cowardly to go find out te facts. Here are some key details about The Rolling Stones' first concert: Date: July 12, 1962. Location: Marquee Club, Oxford Street, London. Band Members: Mick Jagger (vocals), Keith Richards (guitar), Brian Jones (guitar), Ian Stewart (piano), Dick Taylor (bass), Tony Chapman (drums) Can you guess what all but two of these fellows have in common?

[@ronnieron9912]

Nonsense refuted on video by Keith, Mick, Stu, Dick Taylor, Alexis, etc. You live in fantasy land and refuse to even accept your own people you try to back up from THEIR OWN MOUTHS. You are psychotic and in cognitive dissonance denial, lol.

[@williardbillmore5713]

Jones worshippers would have us believe that without Jones the Stones would have never been more than an average bar band, but history tells the opposite story. It is noted that the band got bigger and better as soon as they fired Jones and hired a real guitarist to replace him. They started selling out enormous arenas and stadiums all over the world and each new release was met with unanimously positive critical acclaim. None of that COULD have happened with Brian still in the band. I have always held the firm belief that Brian had been holding them back from achieving their full creative potential, for years. The numbers and the band's immediate new found success through the early seventies backs that notion up... Once they were no longer being dragged down by the nay saying always negative drugged out drunk who was no longer able to function as a human being, let alone a musician, it was like uncorking the Champagne bottle and the new creative material just started gushing out of the whole band like it never had before.

[@mikethebloodthirsty]

He may have not been technical but his ear was amazing before the drugs and paranoia got hold of him.

[@williardbillmore5713]

@@mikethebloodthirsty The drugs, booze and paranoia took over pretty early on. No 27 year old has the amount of lver, heart and lung damage and disease that Jones exhibited at his autopsy with only three years of hard abuse. Brian could pick out a simple single note melody that someone else had written fairly well but his lack of music theory limited his ability to accompany a singer with anything more comprehensive. A child could do what Brian accomplished musically.

[@williardbillmore5713]

@@mikethebloodthirsty The drugs and booze got hold of Brian pretty early on... His liver and heart were enlarged to twice their normal size. Those diseases could not have gotten that severe in only three years. Jones had to have started killing himself with drugs and booze a lot earlier

[@williardbillmore5713]

@@mikethebloodthirsty The drugs, booze and paranoia took over pretty early on. No 27 year old has the amount of lver, heart and lung damage and disease that Jones exhibited at his autopsy with only three years of hard abuse. Brian could pick out a simple single note melody that someone else had written fairly well but his lack of music theory limited his ability to accompany a singer with anything more comprehensive. A child could do what Brian accomplished musically.

[@Bwahzehdezooner]

@@williardbillmore5713 you are making a small career out of trashing Jones. I would check in with a shrink if I were you. He didn't deserve your bullshit.

[@dailyflash]

Jones was a TERRIBLE human being though. He routinely beat and abused fans and girlfriends.

[@TheaterPup]

@@dailyflash That isn’t for you to decide. He likely had psychological issues but the women in his life speak well of him to this day. Stick to the music. This isn’t TMZ.

[@TheBatugan77]

​@@TheaterPup I'LL decide what I'll decide, pup.

[@TheBatugan77]

​@@TheaterPup He impregnated numerous women and contributed zilch afterwards. You're a torch carrier, TheaterPoop.

[@TheaterPup]

@@TheBatugan77 I’ve decided you’re not a very good troll. 😂

[@TheaterPup]

@@TheBatugan77 You want girls to carry a torch for you? 😂 😂 😂 😂

[@nihilistlivesmatter]

In the first two years yes...afterwards not at all more a millstone

[@TheaterPup]

So you know nothing about 60s Stones, got it. Next time just lead with that.

[@nihilistlivesmatter]

@@TheaterPup I know far far more about them than you

[@TheaterPup]

@@nihilistlivesmatter LOLOL Go play with your sock account, Willard.

[@mikethebloodthirsty]

What is your problem exactly?...

[@nihilistlivesmatter]

@@mikethebloodthirsty What exactly is your problem ?...

[@williardbillmore5713]

Highlighted reply @nihilistlivesmatter 2 hours ago Didn't we debunk this earlier? Tpup deleted the og comment & thread...taking all the replies with it. Thne reposted it hoping nobody would notice.........It would be mildy impressive if Brian could tell he was two or three cents out but then anyone who tunes their own instrument (ie guitar) should be able to tell the chords would be off But a quarter tone!......Exactly halfway between F & F# for example!! everybody would be able to hear that..even the tea & sandwich lady at olympic studios......it would stick out like a sore thumb. The things Brian fanboys cling on to smh

[@williardbillmore5713]

Brian Jones was the least talented and the most expendable member of the 1960s Stones as can be witnessed by the fact that just after Jones was fired the band grew in popularity and critical acclaim writing and recording more successful music and better songs. Once rid of Jones the band was able to achieve their full creative potential. Jones had been holding them back and dragging them down with his drunken drugged out nonsense. No Jones = Better Stones.

[@ronnieron9912]

Everything you write is your OPINION only. Watch this video above and see where everyone says different from Williard and his bullshit stories.

[@williardbillmore5713]

@@ronnieron9912 It is not just my opinion who got up onstage at the Marquee Club that night. It is a matter of historical fact. You can not change historical fact with a whole stack of Paul Trinka books and volumes of Bill Wyman lies. Brian did not have a band. Mick and Keith had a complete band. Mick and Keith played the Marquee Club with their band under a new name. Mick and Keith's complete band were joined onstage by Ian and Brian. Those are the facts.

[@ronnieron9912]

@@williardbillmore5713 Nope. Every item you've posted on here I've proven false with unrefuted REAL facts. You live in a world of denial and fantasy, lmao. Brian was playing at the Ealing Club. Mick and Keith showed up and saw Brian playing, Mick approached Brian and Brian asked them to join him, Mick said in the video 'Brian had the most musical experience and had accomplished more than me and Keith'. Brian started the band, period. Go take your meds to stop your severe delusions.

[@ronnieron9912]

'He was a very talented guy, and I don't regret a day working with him and meeting him and putting the Stones together with him. I wouldn't have missed that for anything... Brian deserves credit for his drive in PUTTING THE BAND TOGETHER and putting it on a solid footing. If the band had remained what our limited horizons for it were, which was a hip London club band, it would have been fine. But he pushed us to be more." - Keith Richards, Boston Globe, 1989 You lost AGAIN! Lmao. Keith said it HIMSELF. You are truly delusional!

[@bluegryp]

Jack of all trades. Master of none.

[@lylecampbell9036]

You should know.

[@TheaterPup]

We aren’t talking about you, troll.

[@ronnieron9912]

Jack of being famous while you sit home pulling your pud.

[@williardbillmore5713]

This is the kind of ridiculous story that only a non musician would make up thinking that a quarter tone off is something that only a perfectionist would want to correct.It would have to be some writer, non musician who thinks that a quarter tone was indistinguishable to anyone but a "perfectionist musician"... Absolute BS story... The kind of thing T Puppy will cling to and keep repeating... TOO funny for words. A quarter tone is about as out of tune as anyone can be and it would be impossible with a recorder. Recorders do not ever go out of tune Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[@williardbillmore5713]

You see, Brian was a malignant narcissist and a braggadocious serial compulsive liar. Bill was his best friend in the band, maybe in the world and they roomed together when they were on tour. Bill was not in the band for the first eight months after Brian joined, so he knew nothing about how the band formed or who made the decisions or who was in charge... Brian filled his head with lies about how he auditioned and hired the band members, named the band, booked the gigs and was the musical leader deciding what they played and how they played it. None of it, of course, was true but Bill believed him , or at least he seemed to believe him. After Brian tragically died the only one willing to do interviews about Brian was Bill and he would go on and on retelling the lies that brian had told him over the course of six years . The writers and journalists would then quote Bill as though everything he said was the gospel truth because after all...He was a member of the band wasn't he?...they would never check their source to see if Bill was even in the band at the time he supposedly remembered all the things that he says Brian did... Poor journalism. Then all the writers and journalists started quoting and embellishing on each other's gossipy stories as well as quoting Wyman and all his nonsense. Thus the legend was born. Complete with made up stories and extended myths about Brian writing many songs without getting credit for his "musical genius" and tales of having his band "stolen" from him.. One writer ( Paul Trynka) wrote such gushing lies about Brian that some pages in his books contained the words "musical genius" more than the words "the" and "and". They always portrayed Mick and Keith as the evil plotters who stole poor Brian's songs and his girl friend and his band and Brian as the angelic victim who fell under their oppression and bullying. Nothing could be further from the truth, but It sold books.. There never was a shortage of musical geniuses in The Rolling Stones but Brian Jones was certainly NOT one of them. Jones was a poser, a psychopath and a phoney.

[@jimmeryellis]

Haahaa.

[@LynneFowler-h1g]

Give it A Rest.What The FUCK Is Y.O.U.R. Beef With BRIAN "mr.nobody?"

[@Elizabeth-yh5ry]

Brian was the stones, you must be on a different planet, what a shame you do not recognise talent! The greatest musician ever.

[@williardbillmore5713]

@@Elizabeth-yh5ry That's just it, Liz I do recognise talent when I hear it. The Rolling Stones were nothing until they started writing original songs that were better songs than the covers they started out doing. Jones played a very small part as a musician and he demonstrated that he could not write or come up with any original musical ideas. He was a poser and a phoney getting wealthy and famous on the musical genius of Keith and Mick. After Brian departed the band they became bigger better and more popular with more fans and greater critical acclaim. So no, Liz ...Brian was not the Stones he merely played a small part in their development.