Rockwood Geo Pro Review | Brutally Honest Quality Review after 6,000 miles & 11 states of travel

We purchased our Rockwood Geo Pro, 20BHS in January of 2020, and have been living and traveling in it since June. This is our brutally honest review of Geo Pro initial quality after traveling over 6,000 miles and 11 states.
I’ve got several purposes for this video, but my primary goal is to help you find the RV which is the absolute best fit for your situation. That’s the bottom line really, as the Geo Pro is a great little travel trailer, but I realize they may not be a good fit for everyone’s intended lifestyle.
Next, I would like to promote the high-quality details which the Geo Pro has and shares with other models, brands, and manufacturers; details like Azdel, Aluminum Framing, and Dexter Torflex Axles. These quality materials, manufacturing processes, and components can be game-changers in the longevity of a travel trailer and the ownership experience. Any rig which shares these same features will be better because of them.
Lastly, while I wish my ownership experience has been 100% positive, it has not been. So, my goal with sharing the things which could be improved is to provide valuable buyer education and market feedback to Rockwood & Forest River, which will ultimately help them to build an even better product. Rockwood produces a good product and its quality is improving every year, but there are still opportunities for improvement.
I hope you find this video informative and helpful. It was a labor of love. If you are in the market for a new RV, it’s my wish that you find the perfect fit for your unique needs and that your new RV is a vehicle that transports you to epic experiences and priceless memories!
Thanks For Watching!!
All the best,
Ben Finch

[@FireyFinn]

Hi. Thanks for the detailed video. I'm curious if you were able to communicate with the manufacturer about the "defects" such as the screws coming loose etc. and if so, were they receptive to your feedback and willing to research making improvements?

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Hi @Philip Kauppinen! I did not communicate with them directly. I do know that factory representatives watch people’s videos and they monitor forum groups for the purposes of collecting feedback. I’m going to be up at the factory soon. I plan to check in regarding quality improvements. They haven’t resumed factory tours yet, but I’ll see what I can do. Stay tuned… Thanks for watching & commenting!

[@SaltyRNFrank]

Ty , Great Video . I am now not buying an RV for 25K . I hope you have Following Seas and Fair Winds .

[@markyager2894]

No could not contact them

[@Berrypancakes229]

@@CrowdFreeRVhow’s the swinteck slide working out. I probably spelled it wrong.

[@loriejohnson8706]

I’ve had rvs for 35 years, various types, manufacturers and brands. Screws vibrate loose in every one.

[@longwildernesswalks]

On of the, by far, most detailed and realistic reviews of a product I've ever seen. We were on the fence, but you sold us. We bought a '23 this morning in Tulsa. Excellent job, sir. Excellent.

[@NerdRN]

I have to say, when I started this video, I was DREADING the 1 hour PLUS view time and couldn't imagine why it was so long, but man, this was a very good and thorough video where you made your points well! Really appreciate all the little tips to look out for. We are shopping for our first rig and Rockwood has now become a leading contender. Stay safe out there!

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Hello @Meditative Essence! Thanks for your kind comment! It means a lot 🙂 One thing to consider in the current production climate - I just spoke with the Rockwood factory yesterday. The have been able to keep parts in stock and run a full 5 day per week production schedule. Some manufacturers are running 2-3 days per week due to parts shortages. This is something to look into if you special order a rig vs. buying one from dealer stock.

[@hakarumonoka]

I'm in the process of looking to get a travel trailer and your video popped up in my search. I've watched probably about a dozen or so videos on different ones and I just wanted to say that your video has been the best out of them all! I didn't expect to have such detail thrown at me!! Thank you for this!

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Glad it was helpful @hakarumonoka! Thanks for watching & commenting!

[@pawgyandthewe-ah7805]

We are buying a 2024 Geo Pro as our first camper. Thank you for this video. It’s given us peace about our decision.

[@chrisheiberger3685]

My wife and I are picking up our Geo-Pro 20BHS in a few days, and the thorough walkthrough was just what I needed!

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Congratulations @Chris Heilberger! Glad to video was helpful & hope all goes well with your Geo delivery! Happy adventuring & thanks for watching & commenting!

[@EnuffsEnuff318]

I subbed once I saw the 2020 bill. :) Hope KZbin doesn't try to have you arrested. Another great presentation on this RV brand. Thanks!

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Thanks for the sub even though I have that hateful violence inciting $20 in my rig! 😁 Stay free my friend!

[@silaslongshot941]

A tip from an old master mechanic (me) about screws coming out. If you have a screw that just won't cooperate about staying tight, perhaps a pop-rivet (sometimes with added small washers on both sides of the hole, if you can get to those areas) may be a more permanent fix like where your stove screws were. But keep in mind if you ever have to disassemble an item that's been riveted, you'll have to drill out the rivets so consider that before riveting. Good idea on tire upgrade, 'margin' on everything is a good idea, tow capacity, tires, battery amperage, all of it.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Thanks for the rivet tip @Silas Longshot! Appreciate your watching & commenting!

[@miketsangarakis7237]

I was on my way to purchase a rockwood geo pro 16bhs and after watching this video I cancelled my order and will continue to search for something else. I do not need these problems in my life. Thank you!

[@Asking-for-a-friend]

Whatd you go with?

[@nanaobx]

Hmmm....I thought his review was mostly positive? We just purchased a '24 20fbs GeoPro and are super excited. My husband, who is very handy, was impressed with the material used in the build, which is why this is a light camper.

[@Asking-for-a-friend]

How much have you camped/pulled it?

[@nanaobx]

@Asking-for-a-friend we just got it (50th wedding anniversary present). Leaving Monday for our first camp trip about 2 hours from home. We've had some camper experience (used campers), so looking forward to experiencing new. It pulled great the 40 minutes to home after purchase. We are pulling it with a Titan 4x4.

[@Asking-for-a-friend]

Please update after the trip

[@daviddavid1320]

The most detailed review ive seen so far on youtube with ANY RV/Trailer

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Thanks @david david! I appreciate that! I invite you to check out what we’re doing at crowdfreerv.com Thanks for watching & commenting!

[@patrickfigurski9886]

Looking forward to your video on the hitch setup. Thanks!

[@Biffwellington4518]

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE CACKLING LAUGH FROM THE BATHROOM!

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Yes, @Scott H, she LOVES to mess with me while I’m filming! 😂🦨

[@shellebelle5764]

Me 2!

[@MrBklein31]

Great, info-packed video. I plan on purchasing the 19BH without the slide next year. It will just be me living in it, so I don't need the extra dining space. Plus, not having a slide is one less thing to break. (I know you said that you haven't had any) problems) I decided on this brand and model because of all the great features I wanted anyway like the solar, the wifi booster, the shower miser, the dual propane tanks, etc. Really glad I watched the whole video and I feel much more confident in my decision. Thank You!

[@CrowdFreeRV]

MrBklein31 👋 hello sir! I agree with you on the slide. If you don’t need the space there are advantages to not having a slide; like those you mentioned, plus less gaps for bug intrusion, overall lighter weight, etc... Thanks for watching & commenting!! I wish you all the best on your purchase & future travels!

[@twentynineteen4687]

No slide means less tongue weight, I think....

[@CR10.07]

I have the 19 geo pro without the slide and there is plenty of space for me... good choice..

[@CrowdFreeRV]

@@CR10.07 I’m a fan of not having a slide if you have enough room without it. The benefits are lighter weight, less maintenance, more reliability, easier to heat/cool the rig, and less gaps for bugs to get in.

[@CR10.07]

FreeBirds yes very good points. I think you have such good takes on RV and towing. Thanks

[@chercatzizzle]

We just traded in our 2019 Jayco X17Z Hybrid for a Dutchman Aspen Trail, and the overview of our Jayco Hybrid was excellent!! It was small, and with having the canvas/vinyl pop out beds regarding condensation, it was a really great trailer for us! I hope your sister-in-law finds a nice one like we had!

[@mudfarmers00]

I'll bet this guy could spend two hours critiquing a BLT, but wow what great information. I'm considering purchasing my first trailer and now I know everywhere to look. Small lazy details make me nuts, and I had no idea there could be so many issues. Thanks for taking the time.

[@josephrobichaud5198]

I made a trip to my local RV dealer yesterday to see what they had avalible. I was blown away by all the flaws I could see right in plan sight on brand new trailers. Most still had saw dust everywhere.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Yes, it’s an unfortunate reality. There’s still much opportunity for quality improvement. My attitude is this: 1. Be aware & buy the best rig you can. 2. Celebrate the advancements in quality. These advancements are not across the board, but are there with some brands. These advancements (like Azdel, aluminum framing and vacuum bonding) are complete game changers. 3. Keep the pressure on for continuous improvement.

[@oldsalt8011]

Yes, they work too fast and get sloppy.

[@MultiPartizan1]

Saw dust is normal in any travel trailer or fifth wheel for first couple trips.

[@davecollins6113]

Something you can do with screw holes, that usually works if they are stripped, is use some epoxy mixed with metal filings, use a release agent like wax on the screw. Just make sure the material you are repairing is thick enough. The metal filings reinforce the epoxy to the point where you can actually drill and tap it. May want to check if there is any issue with needing a certain type of epoxy that is particularly suited to Azdel or not, any wood items or alum items will be OK with a 5min epoxy. In wood and alum, you cand also use a rivnut, which needs a biigger hole, but, it expands into the material when tightened like a rivet, and then you can use whatever size and thred pitch screw as necc. They use them on fibreglas to install light brackets, mirror brackets etc.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Thanks for the very helpful info @Dave Collins!

[@vfreefly]

Thank you for sharing a very throughout, honest review of the trailer. I found tons of useful information from this video. BTW: Love the 2020 dollar bill you taped up :)

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Thanks @A H!

[@oldkoot5828]

Yep, great Bill!!

[@robasiegel]

I just noticed on a recent Forest River Geo Pro manufacturing tour, they are now double nutting the flooring screws. I think we have you to thank for this… My new 19FBS arrived in October. Beyond excited!

[@Berrypancakes229]

What year did they start doing this.

[@truckr74]

Thanks for the very detailed video, I’ve watched many KZbin videos on different makes and models of campers and I always come back to the Geo Pro. I do realize very rv is going to have its issues, but I still think for the price point the Geo Pro is the route I’m going with. I really like the 19fb with the Murphy bed. It just checks all the boxes for what I’m looking for. I’m just really amazed with the negative comments about the geo pro by these so to speak experts. I just laughed at the ignorance, and most complaints are usually from operator error. Like one I read about the Dexter axle being junk because if you speed around a corner and hit a curb you can’t get it realigned. Well slow down and don’t run up over a curb lol. Anyway great video thanks again.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Glad you liked the vid @truckr74! Thanks for watching & commenting!

[@jorgecolon9044]

Definitely endorsing loctite!

[@oldsalt8011]

Good to know about Dexter Axles.

[@justinpedalpusher]

Thank you so much. I just bought a 2021.5 G20BHS. Love it so far.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Awesome @Justin G! I wish you many wonderful adventures & memories! Thanks for watching & commenting. Much appreciated!

[@kevinlee8243]

I bought a new 25 foot 2020 Airstream in the Spring of 2020. The first thing I did was remove all the screws inside and out I could and put Locktite on all of them. So far after over 10K miles nothing has come loose. I suggest everybody do this task. Be aware that if they did all you expect then the trailer would cost much more because this would slow down production. It is a sad reality in the RV business model.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

👋 Hello @Kevin Lee! Thanks for your insightful comment! It’s much appreciated!

[@kevinlee8243]

@@CrowdFreeRV My pleasure!

[@nathanc3396]

I had researched campers for along time and was on the fence. But after watching your 6k mile review I realized the sturdiness of the product and placed my order for 19FD

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Congrats @Nathan C!! Let us know when you take delivery!

[@nathanc3396]

@@CrowdFreeRV will do! We are in Lafayette, La. when you are on an east bound trip let me know and I cook yall a Cajun Meal! Have yall ever stayed at CAJUN PALMS in Henderson, La just off I-10 near the Achafalaya Basin?

[@CrowdFreeRV]

@@nathanc3396 dude Cajun Palms looks AWESOME! We’ll try to take you up on your offer! Will keep you posted when we look to head east. Random fact - I’m normally a religious bacon & eggs breakfast guy. But... best breakfast I’ve EVER had was this bacon, shrimp, grits gumbo dish. It was from a place in New Orleans. Thanks again for the invite. I’ll stay in touch. Y’all do the same!

[@rileyrebong409]

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! We are first timers, and this video helped us get through the walk through, spot the minor issues to have them fixed by the dealer before we roll out, and feel confident it was a good rig! 🎉❤ will be following now 😁✌️

[@kimelewis]

We are in the DFW area as well. Just bought a 2021 GeoPro 20BHS, this video was very informative and we did notice a couple differences they made in the past year of production. Maybe we will see you both on the road sometime. The only thing you didn't quite address that we have questions on....is our A/C. The controls on it seem quite basic and if they just added a digital thermostat or had the option for a remote for the A/C, that would be a game changer as well.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Hi @kimelewis! I felt the same as you about the A/C controls. I also think a digital control would be an upgrade from than the simple dial controls. After living in our Geo Pro for the last 1.5 years, it's not the controls that I’d really like improved, it's the noise. Specifically, when the compressor kicks in with a loud “thump” it wakes me up at night. If I ever replace or upgrade the a/c, I'm going to look at installing a Coleman Mach 10 NDQ (non ducted quiet) I know overall this unit is quieter and I'm also curious if the compressor is quieter when kicking in. Thanks for watching & commenting!

[@wildelorme4409]

Hey Ben, My local Geo dealer got two units in last Friday and before I could get over there Saturday they both we’re gone. 2021 19FBS and a 19BH. I go to go into the BH before it was driven off the lot. The sink is now recessed under the countertop and is much larger. Now yo can get two solar panels and they are 140’s now. So they are listening to the KZbinr’s. Thanks Ben. Hope to see you guys on the road some day! Wil

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Wil DeLorme thanks for watching & the info. Much appreciated!!

[@SEMPERFI8387]

I thought they are using 190W now?

[@CrowdFreeRV]

SEMPERFI8387 I’ve learned that they are indeed using 190’s now. My unit was built in late 2019 and it’s an early 2020 model.

[@wildelorme4409]

Semperfi It could be. I was quoting what the deal rep says. I imagine you are more likely correct!

[@barbaragraves7446]

Enjoyed your video. We have a 2020 19FD we got in the spring. We've had the same issues with the screws & stove top burner popping out. We will be doing the screw eyelet solution for our cupboards. Best solution we've seen, inexpensive and quick. Thank you. We replaced our kitchen tap with the Vanra faucet & moved the kitchen faucet to the bathroom. Will be checking the bolts underneath in the spring. Nice balanced review. Love the layout & the Murphy bed of our trailer. Looking forward to more of your videos.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Thanks for watching & for your kind comment @Barbara Graves! Much appreciated! Where do y’all like to take your 19FD? Are you looking for new places to explore?

[@ryanstykalo4162]

I've been eyeing this trailer up, great review. Thank you for posting this.

[@joerogers4227]

love how frank you are on Pluses and Minus on the trailer. I would easily go to the geo-pro at some later date.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Appreciate your kind comment @Joe Rogers! And I’m glad the video was helpful. Thanks for watching!!

[@robmags5781]

Thanks Ben for giving a detailed review on your Rig. I Just purchased our Rockwood Mini Lite back in February and have been out a few times already, As a Newbie I have been looking at a lot of you tube videos to get Ideas. We have been staying locally around New England and in a couple of weeks are heading out to our longest trip yet to Missouri. I will be getting underneath my rig and checking all the nuts and bolts. You are correct by saying that the manufacturers should produce a better product or better quality control on there product that is installed in the rigs. Thanks again and stay safe,

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Safe travels and happy adventuring @Robert Magdaleno! Thanks for watching & commenting!

[@josephrobichaud5198]

They make Nylock nuts with a built in washer that has grooves in it that would never back off.

[@lauram.d.elkins9966]

This was fantastic and I thank you for all the heads-up helpful hints. I'm looking at purchasing a used one (same year model). I'll certainly be looking at the important areas now to make sure everything is ok. I lost my husband to cancer last year so I will be doing this solo. Looks like with all your info, it will be very doable 😀 Thank you again. I'll be keeping up with your videos in a big way 🌞

[@thorjake13]

Purchased this trailer beginning of this year. Have taken it on multiple week long trips and thousands of miles. The four of us are beyond comfortable in it. So far I only have two complaints with the trailer. First was and easy fix. One battery just isn't enough. Went with 2 6Vs and it's more than enough now. The second was on the slide out side. The wheel well is open and doesn't connect to the side of the trailer. Driving in mud/snow or even just road grim can get thrown up onto the side of the trailer. Also inside if the same wheel well moisture can easily get into the slideout wall if not sealed properly. Spent about 20 minutes and a tube of exterior silicone on it. Probably going to be one of those yearly maintenance things I keep an eye on. As far as screws coming out and curtains falling down I have not seen that yet. It will happen, things break (especially if you have kids 🤣) just fix it move on and enjoy the adventures.

[@reedsilberman33]

Thank you for the review. I am about to buy one of these trailers. Can you send pics of where I need to silicone to keep moisture out? I will be driving in the snow often. Any other tips now that you have owned for a while?

[@campingtexan7721]

I know my comment is very late to this thread, but I found your video extremely helpful! We bought a used 2018 Geo Pro G17RK back in July and take it out every weekend. The first thing that we noticed was loose screws. I now keep a tube of blue thread locker in the camper.

[@michaellowrey8159]

We are 8 months into owning are Geo Pro 19fd. The biggest upgrade we've done is changing the drawer and door handles. I kept cutting my legs on the lower Door & Drawer handles. We went to a rounded curved handles. And our Journey totals= 9 trips totaling a whopping under 300 miles. 200 - 250 bringing it back from FL west coast to FL east coast. Edit - i forgot, the exterior shower/ spray, notice where the hose enters the wall. Large hole i cut a piece of styrofoam and calked around it. I still can feed in, just not as open - bugs. Also we added curved shower /tub splash guards to keep water from escaping. And with us being in SE Florida my wife made a interior cover for the shower skylight. It has dropped the blazing heat from entering both stored and while in use.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Those are all great mods @Michael Lowrey! Man we sure love SE Florida! We have family in Loxahatchee and visit FL frequently. Our last adventure was at John Pennecamp state park on Key Largo. Rained most of the time but we still had a lot of fun! Thanks for watching & commenting Michael! Happy travels!

[@richardfabrizio8998]

Very informative, you are a person that is well organized and intelligent. Good luck in all your future travels. Happy motoring. Thanks

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Glad you found the video informative @richard fabrizio! Thanks for watching & commenting!

[@boondockduane]

We our in our second InTech. Started with a Sol Dawn after downsizing and bought a Terra when they came out as it is the perfect fit. We looked at the Geo Pro but found the build not to par coming from Airstream. The selling point of InTech was Azdel one piece roof. All aluminum frame with the wood cabinets bolted to the Aluminum frame. Also Dexter TorFlex axels. We have over 29,000 miles on our Terra I’ve r the last 22 months. I would never own a Travel Trailer without the full aluminum frame and one piece azdel fiberglass Great video

[@travelsofpeter8916]

I just discovered your you tube channel. Outstanding work. I thought that one hour was going to be boring. It was not. You taught me all kinds of stuff. Thank you for the great job.

[@SEMPERFI8387]

Per an email I received, these are some of the 2021 changes (not to mention the FD model is now 200+ pounds heavier??) European hinges on cabinets, single handle/tall kitchen faucet, press countertops vs. laminate, larger sink, keyed alike locks, 190w solar, one control system “app”, a/c standard, new cabinetry/fabric/wallboard is lighter color, 12v fridge and supposedly, “off road” is standard.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

SEMPERFI8387 thanks for the info!!

[@tridentrestoration7643]

This video is great thank you so much for sharing this information, today I purchased the Geo pro after much research, but none as informative as yours , I pick mine up next week , we are super stoked , first thing I’m going to do is the same thing you did with the chassis bolts , I will eventually install lithium batteries and look forward to more of your videos . Thanks again

[@madhousetoobah]

Great video. Every trip is an earthquake - hahah! Love that you just identify the issues and show the obvious simple fixes to address manufacturing shortcuts! Due to riding old vibrating British motorcycles, I buy Loctite in bulk ;-) Glad to hear that the bones are solid as this model is on our short list. Thx!

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Your comment made my day @Robert Mckeown! Man it’s hard to beat an old bike full of unique character! You go for a ride and it’s like two old cranky best friends on a joyful journey. My background among other things is aviation. Like your bikes, everything is always trying to loosen from vibration & sonic influences. Locktite, lockwire, & self locking nuts!! Glad the vid was helpful & thanks again for the comment!

[@UteMcIlvena]

Thankyou for your video, this has help me alot as I am currently looking for an RV and am afraid to purchase anything because of the nightmares people are posting.

[@lbco5229]

I am looking to purchase my first trailer … overall I’m stunned at the low quality and high prices!

[@prestomattwine]

Welcome to the United States! Land of greed and shoddy workmanship!

[@vickiepayne5325]

What a great video! My husband and I purchased a Forest River product and it honestly was just poorly made. I believe that Forest River makes their products cheaply because of more probability in the end. Also, their customer service is so BAD! In the end the dealer and the manufacture do not care which is sad no matter how much money you spent. In the end we sold the Forest River product and purchased a Grand Design. I can't tell you enough what a huge difference a Grand Design truly is. I am not saying that we will never have any issues with the Grand Design, but I can say that the quality is night and day from the Forest River. Also, Grand Design is top notch when offering help and parts! Granted you will pay more, but in the end with great customer service, a overall better product it's worth the money. I am sure many people will disagree, but you pay for what you get.

[@SEMPERFI8387]

What model? Forest River is a group of companies. What was the price difference from the FR to the Grand Design? “Usually” price goes hand in hand with level of quality.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Hi @Vickie Payne! We have heard similar comments from many owners regarding their Grand Design experience! I celebrate the higher levels of quality that GD is bringing to the marketplace! I believe that a rising quality tide will raise many ships. Forest River is a huge conglomerate encompassing many brands. Rockwood is but one of those brands. Their brands are not all created equal. Rockwood, like Grand Design is trying to do business better. The problem with the Grand Design comparison in this conversation is GD is better known for producing larger TT’s and 5th wheels. They do make some smaller units but I don’t consider them “ultralight” like the Geo Pro. Their smallest TT is an Imagine XLS 15FLE which has a UVW of 4,036 lbs. That’s about a half ton heavier than a Geo Pro of the same size. And Geo Pro has figured out how to make an ultralight that is still rugged enough to not start falling apart over the long haul. So... If a person is looking for a small ultralight TT, can you see why I would never steer them toward Grand Design? Now for larger travel trailers or 5th wheels, that is a completely different story. Hope this makes sense. Thanks for watching & commenting!!

[@vickiepayne5325]

@@SEMPERFI8387 we purchased and imagine 22MLE. Out the door price was about 30k. But worth every penny!

[@SEMPERFI8387]

@@vickiepayne5325 no I meant what model Forest River.

[@MultiPartizan1]

Forest River makes 50+ different travel fifth wheel trailers which one is it or maybe grand design HQ knows better.

[@paulterrazas83]

Would like to see more of the baskets and things you have in the rv like the fruit basket set up above the sink.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

I'll keep this in mind for a future video @Paul Terrazas! Thanks for watching & commenting!

[@nathanc3396]

I chatted with the Factory. Heres some info you might want? "The lug nuts on the wheels need to be torqued between 95 and 110." We are double nutting the front bolt on each side of the trailer. All bolts get a lock nut and the front get a lock nut and a nylon lock nut. The issue started with the front ones coming loose and when those did, the rest followed - that is why we double nut the front.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Thanks for sharing the info @Nathan C! Much appreciated!

[@nathanc3396]

All the More Reason that I just ORDERED a 2021 Geo Pro! Because they CARE ABOUT QUALITY! I was told by more than one Dealer that Forrest River asks them "what are the Customers saying about their Trailers? They also wanted to know what the Customers were wanting to see added to the Trailers. Forrest River is certainly concerned about the Quality of their Products.

[@mhfnet]

@@nathanc3396 Unfortunately that has not been my experience with Forest River. Check out my comment on my 2018 Rpod 179 and from a lot of Rpod owners in the forums especially in the past few years and hopefully they don't share similar build techniques and materials to Geo Pros or they have made improvements to fix the problems like Rpod owners have experienced? That being said I've done enough mods, improvements, and do regular inspections/maintenance to make it manageable. One thing for sure is put the rig through a good break-in and fix any issues while it's still under the 1 year warranty because after that they can be very expensive to fix.

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Thanks for the in-depth video. I have been considering a Geo Pro and you have given me more information than I could imagine. Never get this anywhere else.

[@roybrochu5409]

Like your channel. Very informative. Opinions seem to be spot on. I don’t own a trailer yet but am researching and like the Geo’s. The only item is I wish they put a sink in the bathroom. Happy travels!

[@CrowdFreeRV]

👋 Hey @Roy Brochu! I agree with wishing for a sink in the bathroom! Often I put a cutting board over the kitchen sink for extra counter space and work area. And that leaves me with only the tub for washing. Thanks for watching & commenting!!

[@kristirudolph7504]

I have the same problem with the screws glad you explained lock tight. Now I can fix them

[@brayan8346]

The valance installer didn’t hit a solid backer that’s why it fell off. There normally isn’t bolts that hold the body to the frame. The carriage bolts only hold the floor. The sidewalls are held by screws. Don’t trust anything Keystone says their products are lure garbage. You made the right choice with a Rockwood.

[@boosted.]

Hi guys I have a hack that’s worked for me in the past for your tilt feature on the awning to stay put there will be a mark where the set screw clamps onto you will see the mark use a drill bit slightly larger than the set or clamping screw and Make a small divet or two or three do not go to deep or completely through 👍

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Great tip! Thanks @Boosted Big Inch!

[@yolandaroque1755]

I enjoyed your Video! I learned a lot. Thank you. Definitely feel more confident in going forward to purchasing one. Hopefully soon!

[@rioborzeli147]

GeoPro is what we want to get, Super big Thank You with all detailed info. My list to my dealer once we find one will be subject to certain work to correct the deficiencies noted . WOW, You take care and thanks 🙏 again .

[@jnny315]

Thank you for this shopping for my first RV bout ready to retire it really helped. Also you’ll love 💕 St Augustine happy 30th!!!!

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Thank you @Jenny Mallory!!

[@johnniemontgomery6682]

Thank you for a completely honest overview. I appreciate it. Owned a Forest River Wildwood from 2017-2020. We lost it in the Oregon fires. Have not replaced our travel trailer still shopping. Thank you. JohnnieKaye Montgomery (She/her).

[@good4u1000]

Very comprehensive with excellent, thorough communication of balanced, well thought-out problem/solution oriented review! Awesome 😎!!!

[@davidrogers8401]

Thanks I had 3 each missing nuts and 2 each loose nuts. I took your suggestion and backed the nut with another nylon nut. Man thanks for the information, I could have had serious issue if not checked and repaired.

[@TomOnTheRun]

Thanks for sharing. I'm just now reviewing the brand. Kinda of scary all the QC references. Especially for off the grid style RV camper.

[@rickklein9031]

Great review, I suggest using some industrial adhesive behind the fridge facing next time, that with the trim should solve it.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Thanks for the tip @rick klein! For my initial fix I put some epoxy at the "snap together" points of that bottom trim piece. So far so good. After a few thousand more miles it has not come apart again. Thanks for watching & commenting!

[@boosted.]

Hey guys just wanted to give some info I’ve been in the glass trade for 30 years the windshields in these are a laminated product same as the windshield in your car and in residential - commercial use it we will not use or sell tinted laminated glass as it heat cracks even clear laminated that’s been tinted will crack adding a closed blind or reflective only make it worse your other windows are tempered glass they will be fine dot will not Allow tempered glass in windshields

[@boosted.]

My Advice is to leave the shade up the reflective off When vehicle is in storage or even traveling , only cover windshields on these units when it’s not in direct sunlight and when not in high temps use your coverings on this windshield only to keep warm now if the windshiel was clear it would be fine

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Thanks for the info @Boosted Big Inch! I’m going to survey other Geo Owners to see what kind of luck they have had. Thanks for watching & commenting!

[@sesquashtwo]

I loved her laugh coming from the bathroom...sounded like Walter, when he laughs from his storage case (LOL!)....that was the best part....and the screws are backing out, NOT because they don't create pilot holes..but because they power drive the screws, and almost every screw has been over-torqued in the man made substrate and therefore destroys the screw hole thread wall.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

👋 Hi @Joe Blow! Yes, Michelle can be a little stinker when I’m filming. That part cracked me up as well!🤣 I agree with you in part on the screws. If they just wouldn’t power drive them that might be enough to have most or all stay in place. They make drivers with pre-set torque, but I don’t think one exists with a torque light enough for RV interior wallboard. When installing fasteners by hand in my own rigs over the years I’ve discovered that screws which have been pilot drilled always have a higher degree of thread retention because you are avoiding all splits in the wood. Thanks for watching & commenting!

[@sesquashtwo]

@@CrowdFreeRV I do believe that the shop floor managers of the main RV manufacturers, during this COVID-19 Pandemic, (might) have probably 'encouraged' their staff, to expedite construction on the shop floor, to a point, that has seriously compromised build integrity. A lot of forum commenters of 20/21 builds, are complaining very loudly of stripped screws, non-matching and tight cabinetry joints, squeaks, etc...and I fear that will be a (hurried production) component of the RV industry for the next 3-5 years. If I were in the market for a used or moderately used T.T. or R.V., it would most certainly be confined to production years 2015-2019. I was 'lucky' to have wanted to get back into the T.T. ownership, by purchasing a 2018 model, and have had no warranty repair/replace and have only bolstered the queen bed support from the O.E.M. install. The one thing that I am mindful of, is that as you state, a lot of boondocking in-roads, can torture test any R.V. so pretty much make that only about 15-20 percent of where we wish to camp and the tow route to get to it.

[@Settlingintoalaskaliving]

@@CrowdFreeRVI married a Michelle as well luckily I “locktighted” her mouth and now she goes down the road without a peep!

[@benc1927]

Good information, thank you for taking the time to do this.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Glad we could help @Ben C! Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@PoconoJoe13]

I’ve had everything that you mention except the body bolts. I checked them and they were good. My stove / oven fell out !!! Because I didn’t know where the screws were coming from when I would find them on the floor. I really don’t cook on mine I use it for work in place of hotels. They also had to replace my toilet because it would leak intermittently!! Plus replacement of my awning motor!!

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Yikes! The oven falling out is a new one! Hope you got everything sorted out before the warranty ran out! You’re part of a growing trend of people using an RV for work assignments in lieu of hotels. It’s growing in popularity for military people as well. Thanks for watching & commenting @Joe Deriscavage!

[@PoconoJoe13]

I’ll find out in about 5 to 6 weeks when I start using it again!!

[@leahhall9431]

iI agree with the lock tight! Love my Geo but it’s endless with the screws coming lose and out.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Thanks for watching watching & commenting @Leah Hall!

[@briankolley3550]

Excellent review! Very informative. I really love the level of detail. Thank you for taking the time to make this video!

[@MultiPartizan1]

Great video appreciate your time and detail explanation, We own 2022 Rockwood ultra light 2606ws which comes from the same family as Geo Pro , for over six months and 3000 miles on Midwest bumpy roads zero issues so far , quality is better than most of fifth wheel trailers with more aluminum than wood even bed support is made from aluminum frame, I’d like to share my opinion on keystone trailers composite floor which is suppose to be mold free, We looked many Keystone Outback trailers which seemed like a good quality but walking in any Outback’s is very flimsy and unstable which to me and my wife raised immediate red flags and made us look elsewhere, River Forest Flagstaff Rockwood Mini light and Geo Pro trailers are way to superior and many aspects.

[@patlsmith404]

Thanks for the detailed info and taking the time to share. 🇺🇸😎

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Glad it was helpful @Pat L Smith!

[@jilliebo]

Great video. So much very useful info. I learned a lot. Thanks. Getting a geo Pro soon so this was very good for me.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Glad it was helpful @Billiejo Willisko Wong! Thanks for watching & commenting!

[@vincenthyland8048]

Thanks so much for addressing this issue with the body nuts and bolts. Wow! Could be a nasty situation with those backing off and the body moving around …..

[@vincesmith2081]

Thank you for your in depth video. I am currently researching what type of RV to get. I used to have an old Coleman tent trailer, but now that I’m older I am looking into a travel trailer or a class c. Your info really helped me understand what to look for.

[@redrumboi1939]

Thank u! Such great info. About to buy one tomorrow. We r long time campers. Never had a new one. Keep it up

[@mhfnet]

Good review, thanks! I have not be impressed with Forest River build quality and reliability in my case I own a 2018 Rpod 179 and monitoring the forums I'm not alone but hopefully the Geo Pros are better even though they remind me a lot of my Rpod including being built on the same lines. For example the blinds are screwed directly into the thin wallboard without using plastic anchors and almost all those screws have come loose or are stripped. Also the foam used in cushions and the mattress are all terrible and don't hold up and need to be replaced in a few years if not immediately. I've looked in hidden areas by removing a vent on a wall or a bottom draw close to the floor and was amazing at the amount of construction garbage left during manufacturing. I have had to already replace the vinyl outside trim molding as it has gotten hard and cracked even after putting on vinyl protectant every year due to how thin it is compared to the replacement trim I used. I have not notice any outside delamination but will keep an eye on it but I do regularly inspect the seams and in a few places I've had put on more sealant. Based on your experience I am going to check the framing bolts for tightness and welds. I also regularly check for rust and lubricate or spray paint those areas to prevent further rusting. Even though I am not impressed with Forest River trailers I think my mods, improvements, and regular inspections/maintenance has made it manageable.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Hi @Mike F! Thanks for the very thoughtful comment! Your impression of Forest River is completely valid. Your experiences are also very common and are not isolated to Forest River alone. I’m glad you’re handy at DIY, because as you know from experience, that is a highly valuable trait for long term ownership success with mass-market RV’s. When considering if Forest River is a “quality” brand or not, I always encourage people to look at each individual product line. You raise a perfect example with the Rpod. Rockwood and Rpod are separate brand and manufacturing units. Their construction and build methods are very different. I observed this firsthand when touring both factories a year ago. This is an important consideration because Forest River does not have standardized materials and manufacturing processes across their many product lines. From what I have seen, and experienced through ownership, is that Rockwood quality is right up there with the best of them. But I’ve also heard many quality horror stories about other Forest River product lines. That being said, Rockwood also does some irritating & sloppy practices like screwing blinds into thin wallboard and leaving construction debris in closed off areas. . The mass market RV industry has come a long ways in quality improvement over the last 20 years. But there is still much opportunity for improvement. Buyer education is vital in this industry. Thanks again for the great comment Mike!

[@mhfnet]

@@CrowdFreeRV I guess I was wrong about them being built on the same line. Rpods have an Eastern and Western (Oregon) manufacturing places. Where is the Geo Pro's built?

[@coasterbrookie]

Excellent video! I live with sister and brother-in-law and hold down the fort while they travel with their diesel pusher. I will have to say that all rv’s are built very poorly. In-part due to need for weight savings and part due to… well, they just are that way. I have an Aliner now and it’s ok for what it is. My next will be Geo-Pro, E-Pro or NO-BO. It just pains me to spend $25-$30k on one knowing they’re built extremely poorly. Again tho, your video was really good.

[@Colorado_Chris]

Wow, I was considering this trailer for my off road trips… and now, NO WAY! Clearly this manufacturer doesn’t pay attention to quality and what garbage. Thank you so much for this!!

[@santini1953]

The Jayco 264 bh has none of these problems and we have traveled over 25,000 miles in 2 yrs.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

That’s awesome @santini1953! I love to hear success stories and great ownership experiences! Thanks for watching & commenting!

[@sesquashtwo]

That part is called the flame spreader on the top....of the burner

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Thanks @Joe Blow!

[@sonyacarius297]

Great video, I looked at a used 2020 today and this tells me so much as I make a decision about it. Thanks!

[@AOTRacing]

Great video. we pick ours up next week, and this video is amazing!!!!

[@CrowdFreeRV]

AOT Racing - that is exciting!! Congrats! Which model did you get? Thanks for watching & your kind comment!

[@AOTRacing]

@@CrowdFreeRV 20bhs!!!!!

[@stephennelson7430]

Hi Ben, absolutely loved your video. We have the exact same GeoPro 20BHS. I am curious about how you (or your fabricator) attached the 2” receiver to the rear of the camper for the bike rack. We would like to do so the same. We have been from Vermont to Florida and many stars on between with our GeoPro and love it.

[@robertmayer6696]

Great video!! Really appreciated the honest review of this TT. Best regards, Bob

[@smays5106]

Very thorough review and helpful. Time will spent thank you!

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Glad it was helpful @Susie Mays!

[@kayscanlon8057]

I’m curious too. I have an EPRO 19 FD. The frame is IN FRONT of the black water tank which makes installing a hitch rather difficult.

[@jamessankey01]

Wonderful review, thank you. I'm just dipping my toes into the RV market, so a total newbie. Got to say I didn't like the speed they were working at the factory. Being versed in car manufacturing, that's way too fast. They will blow out screws, make mistakes and break things. I too will need to mount a proper bike rack to the back. Would've liked a bit more info on the hitch install. Also with all that room on the roof, it'd be nice to know the options to expand on that tiny panel. Overall your review does a great service to its all. Thank you so much.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Hi @James Sankey! Glad the video was helpful! Stay tuned, I plan to have some content on the subjects you mentioned. I was just about to do a hitch install video, but the hitch welds failed. It was a custom fabrication & was too light duty. I’ll get that video out in the spring after I have the hitch rebuilt. Thanks for watching & commenting!

[@lrcreamer]

I almost pulled the trigger on a geo pro..but two items kept me away. 1 Single axle limits weight and double axle is safer in case of a tire failure.2. Geo pro uses wafer board for flooring.. I selected the Winnebago Micro mini to get a double axle and plywood floor. Winnebago does have its problems which are cheap Cabinet doors and poor structure of wood for the bed. I had to add wood supporting the bed.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Hi @Lawrence Creamer! I totally agree with you on the axle issue! You've got a lot better cargo carrying capacity on the double axle as well. Sounds like overall you've had a good experience with the Micro Mini, which makes me happy. Winnebago is a good brand. Thanks for watching & commenting!

[@BeefNEggs057]

As of 2022 they switched to solid tongue and groove plywood. Little heavier but better for sure.

[@paulnastoff2394]

Thank you this is extremely educational and informative as I do research to help make the best decision on my first travel, trailer purchase! Thanks again!

[@toddj1365]

Great video. The Geo Pro was one of two RV's that I really liked, but I went with the other choice. IBEX 19QBS It's very similar, Might have gotten Yours if I had seen this video first,

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Congrats on your RV purchase @Todd idak! Safe travels. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@markodell2379]

Great Video! We are in the early stages of choosing a rig and a small one of these is in the running.

[@johnmackey3937]

10-18-22 Loved yor review. Regarding your issue with a wet floor getting spongy even Airstream owners commented about it. Google shows articles, one is: Composit flooring: Making improvements for Traditional Travel Trailers-Airstream. Keep up the videos.

[@MAPRTX]

DUDE YOU ARE THE BEST

[@jerrygundrum1]

I am more than a little sure that locktite will not work on wood. It is meant for metal to metal

[@CrowdFreeRV]

👋 Hey @Jerry Gundrum! You are exactly right! Loctite was indeed formulated for metal-to-metal. In experimenting with wood-to-metal, I’ve discovered mixed results: For attaching things to the thin wood interior wallboard I’ve had fantastic results. My most surprising application was attaching wire baskets for towels in the bathroom of a toyhauler I formerly owned. I mounted these baskets, which were without attach points, by putting on eyelet zip ties to the baskets. I then screwed the zip tie eyelets to the wall. I drilled a small pilot hole, and used a shallow screw with loctite. The baskets fasteners all stayed tight and none of the fasteners failed. The baskets carried a surprising amount of weight of towels & washcloths. I’ve also tried using loctite on loosening interior screws where the wood was just too loose of grip for the loctite to work. In that instance loctite was useless and only a proper hole repair will work. I’ll usually epoxy in some wood toothpicks or a bit of wood dowel. Hope this helps! Thanks for watching & commenting!

[@wolfsburg4x4]

Glad Im getting the 2021 model !

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Congrats @Eric! Hope to see if you out there! Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@campingalan]

Hi there. New subscriber; thank you very much for taking the time to post such a comprehensive review of your trailer experiences, so far. We are looking to order an RV after the New Years. We live in southwestern CO, will be doing 1-2 week trips until we retire in 3-5 years, and probably will be doing 50+% of national forest and BLM boondocking. So, geo pro is one of the leading options. We are also considering R-Pod and Micro Mnnies in the travel trailer realm. For any of the models, we are looking into the murphy bed floor plans. We only have a Toyota Tacoma; so need to keep the trailer weights down. We're also looking in to some sprinter van class C's. Our long term plan would be to expand to 1-2 month trips after retiring. If we get a trailer, we'll upgrade for those longer trips. If we got a more expensive sprinter class c, we'd most likely try to make that work for the longer trips too in order to insure we get our $$'s worth out of it. I am really glad to hear you have had a good experience with the Geo Pro! This is pretty much our leading consideration; mainly due to it being one of the lightest, as well as being more boondockable right out of the box. I'd probably upgrade the solar capability, if we went this route. And, probably carry a smaller inverter generator in the event that we are enjoying a shady site. Safe travels!!

[@CrowdFreeRV]

👋 Hello @campingalan! Thanks for watching and your excellent comment! I wish you all the best in your search for your adventure rig. I've often looked at the Sprinter class C's jealously as I'm spending 30 minutes to set up and tear down and they can do it in about 5. But then when I'm staying put for awhile I'm glad I can leave camp set up and just hop in the truck and go. Such a conundrum! I've I could be of any further help in your decision making process, please drop me a comment! Thanks again for watching & commenting!

[@sherriewilson4379]

Great review. Our 2020 Flagstaff 26fkbs came with 2” frame mounted receiver. Also have Kuat rack, very heavy duty. Confused why they are not rated for a Travel Trailer.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Yes, Kuat builds great stuff!

[@toptobottom247]

This is feeling more like a video to endorse Loctite. I'm just saying....😒

[@CrowdFreeRV]

I unfortunately agree @Inquiring Minds. I got the video done, watched it, and then I'm like "man I said Loctite a lot!" Thanks for watching & commenting!

[@amysmith3247]

ok now i won't be needing a camper after all. lol thanks

[@mrKeithGrayoldguy]

One problem with your theory of having Asdale and aluminum structure is the the RV industry never deals with this issue of RV’s leaking water. Their method of really lousy construction and using silicon and dicor self leveling chalk is their biggest problem. Silicon doesn’t sick to much of anything especially rubber and itself. Dicor is the worst but a cash cow for the industry. A product that has to be reapplied every 4-5 months has to tell you something, it’s garbage. If you want to seal your rig then all surfaces that are going to be chalked need to be primed and a commercial adhesive chalk should to used. These chalks will to good for 10-20 years. As far as using Loctite and predrilling holes that won’t happen. That’s takes more time and the screws cost 2 cents a piece more. Why would the manufacturer put anything less than a solid wood backer or cabinet knowing that screws are going to be drilled into them? Because pressed sawdust panels cost less. Just so you know I own an RV. Heartland Bighorn 5th wheel and love it and we love RVing. It’s just a shame that so many of these problems are easy fixes but yet the manufacturers don’t seem to want to do it.

[@CrowdFreeRV]

Hi @keith gray! Just wanted to continue this conversation on sealants and water leakage. First Dicor. I’ve used Dicor a lot on my first two toyhaulers. I didn’t own them long enough for a long term test. But I did own them both for a couple years. I was happy with the durability of Dicor in all areas of the roof except for one - the spots where water would stand on the roof. This water was typically from the air conditioner runoff. The Dicor seemed to degrade quickly after a few months of exposure to standing water which typically would happen through the entire summer. . Let’s talk about the Geo Pro roof: I’ve been completely happy with the roof membrane and sealant. The factory roof seal application needed zero touch up and after its first year it shows zero signs of degradation. The roof membrane is a TPO material made by Alpha Systems and it carries a 12 year warranty. It’s the same material used on commercial roofs. They have their own line of sealants which I’m assuming are used at the factory. I bought a tube of their N1010 non-sag roof sealant for my emergency roof repair kit. I have experimented with the sealant and I like it. It doesn’t sag, which is good on a crowned roof, and it cures much quicker than Dicor. . I’ve been unhappy with the rest of the sealant on everywhere except for the roof. Some areas are sealed but it was done sloppily. Other areas aren’t sealed but should have been. And then many areas were sealed with a clear flexible sealant. I’m not sure what kind of sealant this is but it’s not silicone. After one year, this clear sealant is shrinking and then failing. I have been been slowly chipping away at resealing the entire trailer except for the roof. . Yes, Keith, I agree with you. Even with Azdel & Aluminum framing, keeping all water out of your rig is essential and it’s a mixed bag of sealant quality out there. . I recently looked at a brand new travel trailer with my sister in law. She was interested in buying it. It was built by a reputable quality brand. The entire roof needed a reseal. The sealant was shrinking and gapping everywhere. There were water entry sealant cracks over the entire roof. This manufacturer is know for quality so I was very shocked by the roof. The unit was produced during Covid. EVERY RV manufacturer has been experiencing supply chain shortages as a result. It’s just my hunch, but I’ll bet they either got a bad batch of seal or bought a really cheap batch in order to keep the assembly line moving. . Here’s the bottom line: It’s vital to prevent water leakage on every RV. On mass market RV’s the sealant application quality is hit-and-miss. As the owner you are the best line of defense for keeping your unit leak free. Even if it’s brand new. . Thanks for watching & commenting Keith!

[@mrKeithGrayoldguy]

@@CrowdFreeRV sounds as though your RV manufacturer has stepped up on roof quality. My Hearthland Bighorn is a 2017. I had no leaks but I knew I had structural issues because my roof was sagging under the front AC. If you would like to see the reason why it had that problem you can go to KZbin and search “ RV roof install” and find my rig. The TPO roof is a much better roof than what the manufacturers put on most RVs. This company put on TPO 60 mil structured roof with a fiber mess in the roofing material. Curbs are built for all the components that are on the roof. AC,roof vents, skylights and antenna etc. All are built with flashing and counter flashing. My roof will now pass a commercial inspection that you would do on a commercial roof like a bank or restaurant or office building. My problem with most of the RV manufacturers is that they will not spend literally pennies more for a jam bolt on your flooring to the frame, a bushing to protect wire run, drop of lock tight on a screw. The frustration for the customer would be considerably less if they cared more about the customer. Again I’m not someone who doesn’t own an RV. I have spent a lot of money for mine and love my rig and love RVing.

[@MrJohnBBQ]

Such a great review! Thank you for taking the time.

[@rehrerrobin6025]

Will be picking up my Geo Pro16 in a few weeks. Thanks so much! I'll be adding Lock Tite (sp?) to my tool box...

[@prodigy6000]

Good summary of the geo pro and observations in general...let me help you as you struggle to throw Jayco under the bus...the J in Jayco stands for junk...buy them, use them, throw them away I feel bad for those of us that pay over 20k for these things as they are only worth 15k tops....but its a seller's market What can I say. But Rockwood is the better value. Quality suffers as demand goes up.

[@jesserevilla992]

Great video; I'm glad your closeup's are not intense. Do you realize there are few like you. We don't own the Geo but instead we have the cousin the Surveyor Legend 19bhle.Very similar to yours with a single axle. I personally didn't want a bunk house. But wife had this idea our adult kids would join us often..Not lol but guess what i have used the bottom bunk and have slept like a baby. Our TT is only 8 months since delivery. But ready to move to a larger unit couples camper. Well we dropped that move with gas prices averaging at $3.29 .. I miss 2016 to 2020 gas prices.

[@davycrockett9891]

Great and very thorough review. Which bumper hitch did you use for the rear? We have the e-Pro 20bhs and need to do the same as you for our bike rack.