Rodney Mullen vs Daewon Song Almost Round 3 (2004) Analysis

[@armin38822]

Sometimes I feel like skateboarding in 2022 is at it's highest level. But then I get reminded with a video like this and I remember that nobody is doing stuff like this even to this day. Nobody can touch these type of manuals.

[@dumbdata34]

ikr

[@armin38822]

@Kر CoD There are people today who can do more stylish manuals then Rodney or Daewon. John Dilo,Gustav Tonesen come to mind right away. Sketchier spots,they catch ther tricks in a more stylish and relaxed way. But when it comes to pure combo insanisty some mortal kombat shit nobody can touch Daewon and Rodney. The ender from Daewon's part in Almost Round 3 could be an ender in every single video coming out today. But like I said,people are getting more and more stylish. That's what touches our hearts the most.

[@JeffersonSteelflexx]

I can but I might just be built different

[@brocksamson9737]

@@armin38822 you must be a zoomer if your main focus is on style.

[@armin38822]

@@brocksamson9737 I've been watching skating since 2000. Style is almost everything man. Almost everything... I feel bad for people who love skating and skate hard but have bad style. Is like playing an instrument but you can't quite tune it.

[@sixohtwo12]

Almost round 3 was on repeat during my peak of skateboarding. Such a good video

[@dumbdata34]

yeew!

[@nightpandas7178]

Same here, this, Bag of Suck, and Baker 3

[@ronniecreager2585]

Lol you really missed out

[@robertblackmore703]

Obviously subjective, but I feel Rodney had way more trick variety than Daewon, who mostly did variations on fakie manuals. This should count more than sheer number of tricks IMO. Also, lots of people got manual flip combos, no one has Casper slide nose manuals, semi-flips or flip in flip out darkslides, esp in 2004. Daewon does get bonus points however for being the only human alive who can skate that truck setup.

[@jimbo601]

Hey mate, I have the dvd and it always changes who’s part comes first. Thought I was losing my mind when I noticed. Love your videos!

[@mattgonya7534]

Yeah, was totally going to add this info as well, the DVD (I think randomly?) switches daewon and Rodney's parts. Always wondered how that works...

[@squeezylo]

I could have sworn it also sometimes skipped over William Patrick’s part too. Unless mine was just messed haha. But i vividly remember that Darwin’s and Rodney swap every time you put it in. I remember Rodney told me they did this since they are friends and no one wanted to be the “best for last”

[@calsas]

Fun fact: The word "fakie" was said 97 times while breaking down Daewon's part.

[@aeroslothy]

Fun fact: The word "manual" was said 999999999999801 times in Daewon's part

[@ellis7622]

the rodney vs daewon vids have been incredible. i haven’t seen these clips for years but they still blow me away.

[@dumbdata34]

For real

[@stpbasss3773]

Those three videos and the cheese and crackers videos are the craziest videos tech wise.

[@augormasterson9312]

Knowing how loose DaeWon skates his front truck makes every single nose manual trick that much more impressive.

[@Jacobunny]

""Darkslides are too easy now, let's nose manual out of them", said only Rodney Mullen" - to quote Mia Wallace, "I said God damn!" 🤯 😅 Fine work as always sir.

[@dumbdata34]

Thank you! Una Thurman ftw

[@Popemaster09]

On the DVD there is a bonus skate part in old 3D. Rodney does nearly 14 more tricks that brings his total within 1 trick of Daewon, 86 and 87.

[@AlleyC02]

Hehehe he was *almost* there

[@brocksamson9737]

Damn your right!!! It's magic ! Lol

[@edwardp5748]

the most difficult skating ive ever seen amassed in one place has got to be this video. seemingly impossible tricks.

[@azzamatic4190]

When it comes to that jaw dropping moments where your like how is that even possible, I didn't know you could do that on a skateboard goes to the primo slides so I would give it to Rodney

[@djilly75]

No doubt the primo is a truck that few can land smoothly but Dae Won took these insanely technical tricks to gaps, rails, and transition with vert, that put him on top in my opinion. Rodney never had his board above a foot or two. But if these guys were the same age and skated together imagine the tricks that would have been inspired.

[@dons1932]

The dude literally does primo to OTHER SIDE OF THE BOARD primo. No one else alive can do that. Crabtree you smoking the wacky.

[@UnknownGaming..]

Almost round three is my favorite skate video of all time. I don't know what is it about, but every skateboarder, every song, every clip just resonates to this day on my mind

[@alex.t8910]

I totally agree everything is great with this video! Easy my favorit too

[@ianturnbow7011]

Round 3 and Cheese & Crackers were what I watched before Fully Flared, Baker 3, and other parts became available on KZbin.

[@FirelordRob76]

i honestly appreciate the removal of the bleep noise. never will i doubt you again.

[@dumbdata34]

Can’t be giving the viewers tinnitus

[@grandmascat9782]

I have no reason to do this but here we are, I'm not naming the freestyle tricks like the last two videos...BUT I am going to make some small corrections on terminology cause I'm a loser. So "primo" is actually called a rail stand, they've been around since the late 60s, but primo slides are still primo slides, named after the guy who invented them Primo Desiderio. Truckstands are actually called no handed 50/50s, and there are two different types of rail stand stances (there's actually like 5 but shhhh). Heelside is when you're heels are on the same end as the griptape, and toe side is when your toes are on the same side.

[@dumbdata34]

s/o mr. Desiderio and thanks for the factoid

[@simongunkel7457]

There is an argument to be made, that only the toe-side slide with a frontside 180 pivot while sliding (and thus going to fakie) is the primo slide and all other variations should be called railslides. basically for the same reasons only BS 540 with a mute grab are McTwists.

[@realjuicewastaken]

Channel is underrated af love the videos

[@josephcantu3562]

I met daewon at the opening of the downtown Houston skatepark and he said that he hated nose Manuel's and it tripped me out I was like but bruh you're the Manuel king. I went home and watched round 3 and noticed almost ALL of his nose manuels are fakie. Even all of his nose grinds are switch. There were 4 regular nose manuels in this video. Another random stat.

[@lifeshifts]

I wonder if that's because of how crazy loose he likes to keep his front truck. I think both are very loose, but the front truck is insane - I have no idea how he skates those things.

[@kennithwehling6275]

I have this DVD, it actually randomly alternates who gets the ender on its own. Sometimes you watch Rodney 1st others Daewon.

[@dumbdata34]

That’s wild

[@mrburns805]

Really? I must have the first edition or something because Rodney has the opener and Daewon closes it out in my version.

[@rustyshackleford649]

Almost Round 3 DVD had a bonus feature to switch between who got the last part, it was in one of the menus.Also the og dvd came with 2 discs, one which was a bootleg cam filmed vid of the premier lol and the other being the actual dvd itself as well as an option to watch the movie in 3D with the special 3d glasses they sent with the dvd. I know this because i've still got my copy all these years later.

[@tylerp3327]

I remember the bootleg version, mainly because Chris Haslam’s part gets big cheers throughout then Cooper’s part plays and it’s pretty quiet… lmao

[@galvanizedgnome]

You are a legend. Big fan on slap

[@mikemo1993]

This was like 1 of 10 foundational videos that cemented my passion for skating (and manuals) and I’m so thrilled to see guys like DD giving it proper retrospective analysis and appreciation. On behalf of most skaters who, like me, I assume did not care much for mathematics, I would like to say thank you for pairing the 2 mediums/disciplines in a way that is as enlightening as it is entertaining 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@ScagAteHer]

LMAO "throwing a frontside 180 out to stay stimulated." I fucking love that

[@dumbdata34]

Thanks!!

[@zanpijanmanov767]

all these things i’ve done is the perfect song for deawons skating imo but to each his own I guess. keep the classic vids going bro! love too see some heath kirchart or marc johnson classics

[@DanielMarkMellor]

I absolutely LOVE you reading out Mullen’s trick names in disbelief 😂😂😂😂

[@ilunapz5457]

i wish rodney will see this vid and he comes up with all the tricknames u messed up...can't even imagine how much confidence it takes to name all this weird sh...what a legend!

[@BriceHoward7001]

Rodney did better tricks and Daewon did more difficult spots.

[@Backlashed]

The DVD has Round One and Round Two as HIDDEN bonus features, search around in the chapter select screen!

[@iamnotanumber100]

Many thanks for doing the trilogy of videos, great work 👏👏👏

[@yobro6053]

Round 1-Rodney wins Round 2 - Daewon Round 3 - it can go either way, Rodney for the tech and Daewon's reckless dangerous skating

[@HiResDez]

Round 3 is definitely Daewon's it's his second best part ever.

[@thrasher2449]

I cannot stop rewinding the part where he's all "A harmless varial heelflip then ollie up the ledge then oh boy what's he winding up for" lmfao awesome

[@billybobthekidiswack]

The trick at 8:30 was a 5-0 crail grab finger 360 flip.

[@CleverTricksGames]

I highly appreciate you even just attempting to name all the madness in this vid. Phenomenal work!

[@dumbdata34]

Thank you dude!!

[@nedtempleton4873]

@@dumbdata34 There is no such thing as 'Frontside halfcab'. 'Frontside halfcab' is a misnomer. It is *Fakie frontside.

[@dumbdata34]

@@nedtempleton4873 Steve Caballero would disagree with you (re: 2:04:00 in his nine club episode)

[@nedtempleton4873]

@@dumbdata34 He's wrong because he didn't invent and has never done Fakie frontside 360/180. Him saying Fakie frontside 360s are 'Frontside cabs' etc. is like Donny Barley saying Bennet grinds are Backside Barley grinds or Matt Bennet saying Barley grinds are Frontside Bennet grinds when neither of them invented/did them. A trick can and should only be named after someone who invented and did it. You can't and shouldn't call a trick after someone who didn't invent and do it. And nobody should get credit for a trick they didn't invent and do. So since he didn't invent and has never done Fakie frontside 360/180 'Frontside halfcab' is a misnomer. It's *Fakie frontside.

[@aakkoin]

@@nedtempleton4873 I wish the whole cab-thing didn't even exist, it just confuses everything to shit, but we can't change the lingo now.

[@jhonc2725]

Rodney took to another level with NBD s ducha si the primo slides

[@kamikazeExpert]

6:20 That sasquatch was chris haslam 😂

[@aubreyjones2076]

The DVD was programmed to randomly play either Rodney's or Daewon's part last. Back when DVDs were seperated by scenes and they had that feature on round 3. I thought it was super cool when I was a kid

[@heyblinkin3675]

Thank you dude. Round 3 has a very special place in my life and seeing it given the Dumb Data treatment has been nothing short of amazing.

[@Lionel_tig3r]

Wow I did run to comments after that statement! 😭. I lovedddd the song. It’s so iconic. Got me hooked on this song so much always will remind me of daewon and this video and my childhood. You naming the tricks like that was so amazing I subscribed instantly and will def binge the rest of ur vids haha

[@eraisuithon9202]

always enjoy your trick name attempts

[@quentinlauterbach]

once again very nice video to finish this series of. also loved the final conclusion about both skateboarding and music being subjective things!

[@JakeCrawford]

i was just thinking about when you would post this haha! great video as always, i would just like to say i appreciate your videos a lot, it's clear you put plenty of time and effort into these :)

[@dumbdata34]

Thank you my brethren

[@cofiddle]

Yes! I've been so excited for this one

[@JopeyPajatrick]

The dvd would have a different skater have the ender part every time you’d watch it. Sometimes Rodney sometimes Daewon. Also IIRC the part with the costume wouldn’t play on every play through. Source: owned this dvd back in high school and watched it about 10,000 times

[@andrewmiller5427]

You should do marc Johnson fully flared idc how long the video is

[@dumbdata34]

Bro maybe

[@kingtubb2016]

Arghh I just can’t handle it hope this helps with naming some stuff. Some of the tricks have names like Varial 3/4 heel to toe side rail (Reemo) is a rusty slide so it’s not that massive rolloff of tricks. Primo slides are a thing and reemo slides are a thing equal to the non moving variations being primo stall or reemo stall aka toe side rail or heel side rail. Hope this makes sense to differentiate and help name the tricks more appropriately. Great work as always

[@BambiDebbieWoods]

I agree. I watched the video when it came out and thought the same thing. im glad i wasnt the only one when i knew more people were Rodney fans at the time. Respect to the Godfather Rodney though

[@Chuck_The_Human]

There are 2 different versions of who goes first because if you owned the DVD you would know, it randomly selected which part would play first every time you played the video, so you never knew who was going to end it. 👏👏👏

[@mulekezicanorole]

thank you for this saga , very welldone, keep up man.i will be there for you.

[@dumbdata34]

preshade the support!

[@edwardp5748]

skate videos do not need massive budgets. i think we all know that now. its fun to see the evolution of this thought process huh?

[@oldgregg86.]

You can pick on the dvd who goes first between daewon and rodney.

[@Rufusdos]

I remember watching this several times when it came out and my conclusion was: Mullen is incredible, mind blowing. But I personally want to skate like Daewon.

[@dumbdata34]

This is a valid conclusion

[@stokkejanraggio9091]

same

[@madjc13]

I back that up and the reason for that was because non of us could mirror Rodney tricks, somehow you could learn a thing or 2 from daewon

[@kingilla]

I need to see a breakdown of who won Cheese and Crackers.

[@Cam-nk2mw]

7:30 I think that was a finger flip as well, but filmed from a bad angle. Used to have this on dvd, one of my favorite skate vids alongside welcome to hell

[@BraindeadRodney]

Thanks for the Trilogy! Great Entertainment 😁

[@calsas]

This stuff is so good that I liked the video immediately after clicking on it, and then got pissed for not being able to like it again after watching it...

[@dumbdata34]

Thank you dude!!

[@djilly75]

Imagine if they both were the same age and skated all those years together innovating, learning and inspiring one another. The impact on skateboard innovation would be insane. Dae Won primo grinding a flat bar hand rail w/ crazy flips in and out. Rodney dark sliding kinked and curved hand rails Oh the magic would have been mind blowing

[@whimzycloud]

Rodney is insane. You don't see anyone doing anything close to this stuff.

[@alex.t8910]

To this day. Maybe Jonny giger do some of it but not all

[@mccleandazza4618]

Goes to rodney for me and its something quite obscure that does it The table nose grind to nose grind ...he simply dosnt pop it just switches position like its stuck to his feet ....physics took a day off when he did that🤯

[@shookstylez]

Crazy good video. I love both so much

[@exactlywhatisaid]

8:55 this is that next level Mullen shit. i have to play this at .25 speed and even then it barely makes sense

[@dakotasir9849]

Rodney is such a fucking legend I love that he's like the alpha and Omega. The creator of these tricks and still the best at them lol

[@coachpete327]

Man, I’m glad it’s you calling out all of Rodney’s tricks instead of me. Dear lord. Lol

[@Lionel_tig3r]

7:34 and 8:32 were finger flips as crazy as that sounds. Varial heel one and then the tre one he did with his back hand

[@the6ig6adwolf]

On the DVD of round 3 depending where on the menu you click it would change between who skated first, Rodney or Daewon

[@possiblythatguy2304]

Great video my dude.

[@dumbdata34]

Yo thank you!!

[@adminashighaswego4826]

This video was the perfect end to my 4/20 🙌

[@AceOfThorns1]

If I remember right the dvd had an “alternate ending” option that flips the order in which Rodney and daewon appear

[@sergiilomako6131]

i love how timidly you naming Mullen tricks =))) ahaha

[@Switchbacksidetailslide]

Some things you missed: 6:40 those are all shuvs out, not Varials. 7:33 5-0 FINGER VARIAL HEELFLIP nose manny 7:42 Fakie manual out 8:10 360 double underflip 8:22 varial heelflip out 9:02 360 underflip 9:37 front crook Nollie backside pressure 8:30 5-0 FINGER Tre

[@Switchbacksidetailslide]

You definitely got the names wrong on a lot of things, but these are just the more important distinctions

[@lfcwilli]

Rodney wins everything…. All the time

[@edwardp5748]

oh the killers were killer back in the day. they were actually "cool" for a hot second. and the california sun will always be the best kind if you ask me. i will be back mr sun..

[@alex.t8910]

Rodney Smashed that video with a trick difficultie at an all time high no one can touch him even Daewon says he can't mess with Rodney's tricks. But daewon has his own style and super hard tricks soo. I THINK IT IS A TIE. And they don't even compete it's just a name for a great skate movie.

[@wlacosta]

great vid as always. those are pump jacks, not derricks

[@dumbdata34]

Nice callout, and thank you!!

[@ObscureSampology]

Rodney's style got so much better in round 3

[@keithparker9503]

Whenever I drive past the Torrance DMV I look to see if Daewon is there ha ha

[@GoofyFootersRule]

Excellent video. Cause of you we now see Rodney and Daweon still haven't return to our planet. They left in 2000s and clearly never returned. All Rodney stuf is too complex Daweon is too death defying. They both won Can anyone out there explain 'switch Tre to switch primo slide to primo heelflip out'??

[@bradclark3167]

I'm glad there was no winner in the end. Was gonna be butthurt if you had have chosen either. Also the trick names

[@dumbdata34]

Daewon definitely won

[@bradclark3167]

@@dumbdata34 well diversity definitely went to Rodney in round 3. Trick difficulty goes to Rodney. Innovation goes to Rodney. Deawon wins on style and balls. I love both and you can think that but I know the truth 😉

[@AbuctingTacos]

What I wouldn't give to be in my early 20s in the late 90s.

[@delanoarts3703]

Song is awesome we got to remember how different they skate putting him up against Rodney back then was crazy but anyone who is a hardcore skateboarder in this age and know about Rodney does Daewon really have a chance in the comments it's obvious to anyone who knows about Rodney we can't seriously think anyone can really compete with him Rodney is a Christ figure to skateboarding and to top it off he actually deserves that label lol.but song still awesome

[@ItsJADA]

Dam I'm late and the KZbin algorithm did me dirty even though I got you on alarm...

[@MrNight-iw9md]

Killers are one of my favorite bands, but Hot Fuss is probably my least favorite album by them- definitely not skate vid music. Great video, and I really enjoyed all 3 installments in this series.

[@boom6578]

I never tried to name the tricks while watching this but hearing it sounds ridiculous

[@MrSamlavoie]

7:20 Rodney goes 360 but I think it is definitely 540 flip wouldnt you say ? and its nollie too, crazy dang this video was good, shout to you and both Rodney and Daewon, legends I also think Daewon is the victor

[@hunterman-quinn4504]

The 5:20 too 5:50 section would be the KZbin short clip you send directly to Mullen. So we, as the skateboard community can truly understand what the Illuminati are really up 2.

[@DunkelBrauer]

You should make a "meta" video just counting the number of times words like "manual, switch, fakie, halfcab" etc. are used in this video. ;-)

[@JakeBorchenko]

I remember on the DVD you could pick who had last part. My brother and I always argued about who should have it! Haha

[@ohhryann]

at 7:38 hes doing a fingerflip v-heel, not flipping with his toes

[@psykolikwid]

2 Legends duking it out and we get to watch it all- how lucky are we for experiencing this!? I love Daewon but Rodney is always tops in my book (not an ounce of disrespect to Daewon).

[@juggadadjones3966]

Found this at a thrift store with the 3d glasses

[@welcometojoshytv]

This series has been so dope to watch. Do you plan on analyzing more video parts from other skaters?

[@mateszabo2798]

The numbers will tell

[@masonjames7308]

Rodney created almost all the tricks, if he didnt the sport would have never got there. He was the first person in competition to give people the idea what you can do on the freestyle boards

[@joshsk8erx1]

@7:35 it's a 5-0 to a finger varial heelflip, and @8:31 it's a 5-0 to a finger 360 flip. He uses his hands in both of these tricks to flip the board. Overall this was an awesome video though.

[@vincentpollara7918]

For me it’s Rodney all the way! He’s just on a level all his own.

[@actualperson7295]

The thing Mullen does with his fingers when he's trying to really balance is something I've done for years and always felt a little self conscious about for some reason. Now that I've finally noticed it in someone else I can stop thinking about it and trying not to do it.

[@townhomes13]

The part that made me start skating

[@dumbdata34]

Nice

[@dwightyawg7781]

The Jack Nicholson encounter was definitely paid for cuz there’s a different bail in the credits where he again pretends to be surprised

[@masterroshi4714]

I both want to master manuals and never hear the word again lol

[@devinsinclair5254]

That was very entertaining

[@Cloxxki]

LOL @ How do you want you primo slides?

[@ASMRJAMESY]

Mullen is GOD of skating, will forever be the best skater in existence.

[@aakkoin]

Hear hear... invented the flatground ollie (!!!) and basically ALL the flip tricks?! designed the modern deck shape and stuff?? The guy is truly a genius on a skateboard, like autistic savant IQ 300 genius, it's not possible for anyone to top that, he was the guy who did it all.

[@thatbrandenkid]

great video

[@dumbdata34]

Thank you!!

[@IchDuForeverExplorering]

7:32 he fliped it with his hand