Roger Penrose - Why Did Our Universe Begin?

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That the universe began seems astonishing. What brought it about? What forces were involved? How did the laws of nature generate the vast expanse of billions of galaxies of billions of stars and planets in the structures that we see today? What new physics was involved? What more must we learn?
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Sir Roger Penrose is an mathematical physicist, mathematician, philosopher of science and Nobel Laureate in Physics. He is the Emeritus Rouse Ball Professor of Mathematics at the Mathematical Institute of the University of Oxford, as well as an Emeritus Fellow of Wadham College.
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Congratulations to Sir Roger Penrose for winning the 2020 Nobel Prize in Physics.

[@CloserToTruthTV]

Our sincere congratulations to Sir Roger Penrose for winning the 2020 Nobel Prize in Physics! Well deserved!

[@OpenSecretsMomAnon]

Yes!! Very cool

[@naturemc2]

I was wondering some quantum discussions. But, very classical approach to answering the questions. Overall, great insights.

[@bartholomewtott3812]

@dontzenyourselfout ?

[@Grandunifiedcelery]

I was able to reconfirm how good your selection is! More Nobel laureates must come out of this show!

[@ik1408]

The theory of black holes is a mathematical theory and not a scientific theory. The mathematical theory of black holes looks pretty, and perhaps Dr. Penrose has earned the Nobel price for the sophisticated mathematics of the mathematical theory. But the theory does not have any experimental/observational proof. And the scientific method requires experimental/observational proof to verify any hypothesis/theory. According to the theory of black holes, black holes cannot be observed directly. What you see in books and magazines, TV and internet - those are computer simulations and not real black holes. The indirect evidence of the existence of black holes comes from the accretion disks surrounding the alleged black holes. But other objects can be extremely compact, something like quark stars, for example, to create accretion disks. Which brings us to another huge flaw of the theory of black holes - the assumption that at certain conditions (like those inside a massive collapsing star) nothing can stand against gravitational contraction. This tremendous assumption is made without experimental/observational proof. Therefore, it denies the scientific method. We know that when stars collapse, degenerate pressure of electrons or neutrons stops the gravitational collapse at some point. depending on the mass of the stars. We also know from experiments that when experiments attempt to squeeze quarks too tightly, they exhibit asymptotic freedom that makes further gravitational collapse into a black hole unlikely - the mathematical theory of black holes does not take these experimental facts into consideration at all. Furthermore, if you studied the general relativity theory, you have to know that according to the equations of the General relativity theory, the collapse of a star into a black hole looks differently depending where an observer is. If the observer is very close to the collapsing star, then the collapse is extremely quick. However, for distant observers, the time of the collapse stretches to infinity. Gravitational collapse time dilation = If a black hole is formed by gravitational collapse, then to an outside observer the relativistic time dilation of the event means that it reaches its Schwarzchild limit (and becomes an actual black hole) after an infinite amount of time. Which means that a distant observer would have to wait for eternity to see how the collapsing star finally becomes a black hole. If the equations correct, than we, distant observers, cannot observe black holes and from our point of view those stars in the process of collapse into alleged black holes remain to be observed by us as collapsing stars and not black holes. That is, the theory of black holes tells us that from the point of view of a collapsing star, it has already collapsed and formed a black hole, and from the point of view of external observers, the star has not yet collapsed to form a black hole. Hence, the black hole exists and it does not exist at the same time. But they show us computer-enhanced simulations of black holes and assure us that the black holes are "readily observed." And for the "black hole exists" part, please check again the first part of my comment- there is no observational/experimental proof that the collapse of a neutron star into a black hole is unstoppable.

[@stesj4]

What a humble and relatable genius Penrose is, love listen to him.

[@peterjames3307]

i bet you pretend to understand that crap and btw he is not humble enough to say he hasn't a clue lol

[@peterjames3307]

i've heard better in cat fights

[@robhaver8704]

if that theory is the defenition of genius then everybody is basically a genius since we all can come up with a theory based on absolutely nothing.

[@stesj4]

@@robhaver8704 I listen to you after you have won the Nobel Prize. 😀

[@heptatlen8855]

​@@stesj4 Any logical contradictions you've found in his answer?

[@blueboy189]

Penrose is on another level. Great to see an interviewer, who himself is an intellectual, just letting him roll. He will be recognised as a 20th century great both in Maths and Physics.

[@louisvl10]

That's crazy, man. But, have you ever done dmt?

[@JulianShagworthy]

9:53 The sheer amount of energy required to verbalise such abstract concepts actually caused books to start falling out of their shelves behind the interviewer. The small inflection of happiness across Penrose's face is as a result of a bet he made decades earlier when an identical thing occurred while explaining quantum dynamics to a classmate. The classmate said that if he could do that again, he'd pay for him to have a lapdance.

[@jemhoare2105]

It's just Matthew McConaughey sneaking around in the 5th dimension.

[@afreenreads3313]

Such imagination !😂

[@emjayhiphop3366]

@@jemhoare2105 😂😂😂😂😂

[@fierce-green-fire8887]

@@afreenreads3313 imagination? Maybe. It’s also derivative from the bet made by Hawking and Thorne.

[@IIAnaxiezzII]

This was so delightfully and creatively random I’ve given you a like. Really made me smile. 😂

[@rayoperator2699]

I didn’t understand anything, but its fine i can memorise and repeat everything to make me look smart when i’m explaining physics to my dog.

[@dabbbles]

GOOD ONE! My dog used philosophical metaphysics to learn that next-door's cat travelling at twice the speed of sound is not to be trifled with! ;)

[@rosros2795]

Well,you should use the feynman technique

[@dabbbles]

@@rosros2795 There really ARE slots for everything in creation, aren't there? I'd never heard of this bloke, but have lived a long and volatile life in line with his principles. I put it down to the gift of a very high IQ and a memory that never forgot anything. (learned to play chess in a couple of hours and was playing in the state team a few weeks later. ) Also learned Shakespearean plays verbatim after two or three readings (to argue AGAINST the value of Shakespeare!) and used to explain the connection between the two: had a sense of the inherent mathematics of chess being evident in Shakespeare's work, and the philosophy of Shakespeare being clearly evident in chess. I always just assumed it was the job of the brain to make those sorts of connections so's the whole 'creation' could be sensed as a whole. But unfortunately my dog's brain doesn't work like that!

[@rosros2795]

@@dabbbles I was just kidding man...

[@dabbbles]

@@rosros2795 That's ok. Just that I'd never heard of Feynman (despite being fairly widely read over many years), so I checked him out on google and immediately recognised myself in a way I never had before. For example, I often ask for definition of an issue or a word/concept because it ties all the other bits together into a kind of mesh that stores in my brain as sort of a picture. These days you might say 'the way hard-drive works' Quite uncanny! Cheers

[@rijuchaudhuri]

Congratulations to Dr. Penrose. His Nobel Prize had been a long time coming.

[@sumdumbmick]

yay for getting the dynamite patent money that also goes to mass murderers and pedophiles! whoo!!!

[@zhodraa]

@@sumdumbmick lol

[@sumdumbmick]

@@zhodraa I know, I know, there's no place for facts in science... if there were it wouldn't be funny.

[@WayneLynch69]

Richard Pryor told a story of he and his best friend, famous football player Jim Brown. Pryor constantly would show off all his wealth/purchases. Brown never deviated from one topic ONLY: "what about that pipe?" Pryor was desperately addicted to cocaine. "Heat" is Pryor's pipe. ALL the tap dancing fails to remove the epi-phenomenon of heat. It cannot begin....it must always end. It disallows THIS universe beginning....it forecloses on THIS universe being eternal. EVERYTHING Penrose et al contrive is done with the denial that thermodynamics cannot be reconciled. It's the assumption that the universe HAS A NATURAL EXPLANATION/ETIOLOGY. THAT AIN'T SCIENCE....IT'S RELIGION....

[@sumdumbmick]

@@WayneLynch69 it's not science if we take the espoused definition of science, which is essentially identical to rigor, but it is perfectly fine science as it's actually practiced, which is as a religion.

[@3dgar7eandro]

I just love how Sir Roger Penrose explains a concept so difficult to grasp as a Universe before the big Bang where "time" in a sense doesn't existed or passed as we are used to experience in our universe, in a way that even people that don't have a physics background can understand. What a remarkable man 😁👌👌.

[@marcusdolby1]

This is actually AMAZING. Instead of a cold death with no mass or reason for time, the Universe becomes reorganized through cosmic radiation.

[@stiffyvokes2404]

"I come to you because you have some unique-ass insights" -Robert Lawrence Kuhn

[@diseasedleginc.6528]

i’m fucking dead

[@marcushendriksen8415]

I heard that too, thought I must have imagined it...

[@SahilP2648]

I think he had an adjective in mind starting with 'as-' but ended up dropping mid sentence and this is the result lol

[@christopherallen1138]

"Big if true." -Robert Lawrence Kuhn

[@marcushendriksen8415]

"My name is Robert Lawrence Kuhn" - Robert Lawrence Kuhn

[@Rikimkigsck]

I love it when Roger Penrose says "you see" he genuinely wants us to see as he does.

[@BillAnt]

Well "you see" this video started with a blur (literally), then it became crystal clear. ;D

[@vhawk1951kl]

You have, and *can* have, no idea what he " sees", any more than you can experience what another experiences

[@vhawk1951kl]

Do you want others to "see" as you do, and if so why?

[@jmanj3917]

Yeah. I'm sure he is (or was -- IDK if he still teaches) one helluva good teacher. If more educators in modern times were as sincere in their efforts as is Dr. Penrose, we (the USA) almost certainly would not be in the current pickle in which we find ourselves with regards to the abysmal state of our population's "education". [Begin ranting in...3...2...1...] You were warned...lol You know, the one where over half of America's high school graduates were unable to find the UNITED FREAKING STATES OF AMERICA on a globe...and That was over twenty years ago. Now, all of those "baby Einsteins" are so-called "adults" who keep themselves busy by convincing themselves, each other, and any other dull minds they can reach, that the earth is either flat, hollow, or both, and the moon is hollow, and etc., etc. Yessir, we're just BEGGING for another group to take the lead in world affairs, which won't end well for us, at least not if you prefer English (or any other Romantic language) over Cantonese. Or, maybe it's just the freedom to be or to do...Anything of Your choice, really, that appeals to you, rather than living where you're told to live, working where you're told to work, gaining access to a very, VERY short list of government approved and government edited programming over the airwaves, and ditto the interwebs. Yeah, the USA is, unquestionably, filling itself with Eloi, ripe for the picking. We are voluntarily expediting the wholesale slaughter of our bodies, our minds, our freedoms, and our property, to name just a few of the things we will lose before all is said and done, should we continue to fail our youth (and ourselves) in education, as we have been doing for several decades now. (SNS for the rant...lol. I just hope that maybe...MAYBE...if more people who HAVEN'T grown old, grown filthy rich, and permanently affixed themselves as a Neverending Part of our dysfunctional Political System [I'm looking at YOU, Congressmen and -women (and members of the Executive Branch, of course) who have been screwing...uhhh, Serving...I meant SERVING!...the People of our great nation for longer than I've been alive -- you g*ddamned jackals...you power hungry crooked SOBs!]... ...MAYBE, if we make enough noise about this problem then it might get fixed. But I doubt it, because that would require several attributes which are all in short supply in this country these days. I'm talking about things like values that are based on ethics rather than on a "Me! Me! Me!" mentality. I'm talking about working for what you have. And I'm also talking about The Big One -- Personal Accountability, which has become more or less nonexistent nowadays thanks to an increasingly coarse media which glorifies murdering, raping, stealing, cheating on your spouse, stealing from anyone and everyone you can, being lazy, believing that you're some kind of "badass gangsta!" (as if That is somehow a worthy and valuable goal...), and on and on and on...like this rant! And it ALL starts in our homes; our broken homes, which are at BEST dysfunctional even IF the parents stay together, and on and on... But that's a whole new, different (but connected) rant for another time... *SIGH*

[@vhawk1951kl]

@@jmanj3917 Those that abuse capital letters(clearly unwittingly) emphasis *nothing* but the hysteria of the abuser.

[@nigelbutlerr7294]

Physics just scratches the surface. Physics is just beyond the experts and the professors.

[@byteme9718]

Physics allowed you to post your inane comment.

[@eekay5710]

​@@byteme9718 Could be, but where does physics come from 🤔

[@ruthmckay9086]

​@@eekay5710Oh, my sides 😆

[@campbellmorrison8540]

There is nothing like listening to somebody who knows what they are talking about, they have the ability to explain it to people like me and use analogies and the like to allow me to visualise what it a very difficult theory etc. In addition they don't get lost and confused when asked questions during their explanation, they just respond to the question and go back on track and that I suggest is because what they are talking about is very clear in their mind and hence it is easy for them to talk about it

[@slappop7082]

For a guy close to 90, Roger looks amazing and has as sharp a mind as ever. Also a total professional: note how he seamlessly repeats himself after the interruption at 09:55 to provide an opportunity to do an edit at that point.

[@MrEnjoivolcom1]

This was definitely some years ago, 12-20 years I'd guess. His is visibly much older than this now. Personally, I like his voice now as opposed to younger days such as this.

[@Declan-pg8cg]

Definitely. No doubt an amazing man. A well deserved accolade.

[@ezeqeel8352]

He never stop learning. Researching. Pursuing for new discoveries. When you don't give up, the chase keeps you young.

[@danielmark6779]

Exactly! That was my impression listening to him answering questions at such an advanced age! He looks and sounds unbelievably young! God bless him even more!

[@KabbalahDecoded]

Not only that, but he does not have the arrogance of some scientists

[@tcl5853]

With all the crap on KZbin, it’s people like this that help balance it out.

[@tahatariq2424]

True

[@cerberus1321]

People (including myself) pay for sports channels and this stuff is free. Got my priorities messed up.

[@Freedomlooker]

Combined with Alan Watts wisdom, you have it all!

[@TYMGhosT]

Roger in all of his glory has just as much to tell us about our universe as the Bible does. Keep reaching

[@wladicus1]

_ Possibly; however, it is still just theory _ scientific opinion _ part of the "dream" of life. _ Some people buy it over religious theories _ Both are still part of the "dream" of life. _ The intellect is incapable of finding out beyond the finite capabilities of mind. _ As long as mind depended on for answers, the "dream" of life continues.

[@thehomme]

While I know I didn’t understand a lot I still found it fascinating and engaging. And I did take away the key idea that the universe is “constantly” flip flopping between being infinitely small and then infinitely big. Like scaling an image you can drag it to nothing and if you keep dragging it starts to expand but is now a mirror image of itself. I guess all I’m say is Thank you for making me think

[@ololo940]

He just made my life worth more. I always believed there must be something before the big bang which may be unimaginable, but it never crossed my mind that size is just a number.

[@MatthewBorn88]

“Whoop there it is” - Roger Penrose

[@Nathan-jq1uw]

Yes, that was awesome.

[@be4st856]

Shakalaka shakalaka

[@scotty5775]

I keep watching these videos thinking that some day I'll make it past 30 seconds before I'm completely lost. A man needs to have a dream.

[@mikewatt8706]

Smoke a joint first

[@scotty5775]

@@mikewatt8706 Great idea!

[@kerryburns6041]

@@mikewatt8706 I did as you advised but now I´m wondering how an infinite universe can be expanding ....

[@Paine137]

​@@kerryburns6041 Expansion feeds infinity.

[@kerryburns6041]

@@Paine137 You cannot be Sirius.

[@charlesdarienzo6686]

I follow and understood the concept and it’s beautiful in its simplicity. I don’t follow the math, though. I can listen to Sir Roger talk all day long. He’s so humble and seems so grandfatherly.

[@edwardlee2794]

Boy, it's incredible! So Mass = frequency (and there is the time ticking). Time is money is just a human version of ultimate anthro-cosmo relationship. After 200000yrs, we found out now. Great interview, educational and entertaining. Thanks for the effort and keep up the good work

[@danimanriquem.6133]

The number of PhDs acquired is proportional to the layers of clothes one can wear without breaking a sweat

[@ikiseikel]

Today I learned I'm going to fail my PhD

[@b_cubes_7669]

Perspiration Hitherto Denied lol

[@tomsonfire3740]

no, libraries are just cold

[@castironkev]

Dani Manrique M. Sooo funny lol Also sad, after realizing I mostly wear a t shirt

[@richardcarew4708]

degrees show how well you answer questions on tests.. and.. how good you were as a grad student slave for your doctoral advisor and overseers.. ☆☆☆ despite much advertising to the contrary . .. education is not something someone else does to us.. it's what we do to satisfy our own curiosity

[@allensmith342]

Listening to Penrose is like having a narrated acid trip.

[@DrummahMike]

I had to take acid so I wouldn't freak out

[@expattaffy1954]

OK folks, Proof this guy is talking nonsense. He misses out the most important factor. GOD let me give you all a chance to stretch your brains and convinve you all of a superior inteligence to begin with. let me give you all a video here by me, and ask all of you if any of you can solve tyhis mystery, I bet the author of this video hasnt got a clue kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZLSZWWDZ9uFf9k OK folks all study this video and see if any of you can decipher this alien message. I will put up the video that displays the message in a week or so. good luck

[@ViratKohli-jj3wj]

@@expattaffy1954 shut up. God is gay

[@mcgeorge]

@@expattaffy1954 i think you may have taken to much acid

[@johnw218]

@@expattaffy1954 if there is a God, I think he would be ok with us humans trying to understand this stuff. It's not much different from humans working out how we breathe, the discovery of gravity, how to make a combustion engine etc etc just another discovery bout how reality works. Just as wondrous, probably more, than a great magician in the sky waving his wand and kapoof! creating it all in a day .

[@emergentform1188]

I love Penrose, he's always been a fav of mine and I've read several his books as well which were amazing. Legend. This chat here is super engaging and entertaining.

[@zanelittlegray]

I could see this video titled "How" the universe began but not "why" the universe began.

[@RafaelMercadoSalas]

There’s no need for a why, unless you’re implying intention or purpose. Nothing suggests the need for such things.

[@66gassy66]

Wife: "What are you watching "? Me: " Errrrrrr I,ll explain it to you later".

[@markthorning6358]

She thinks I was talking about the series

[@MegaParrotMan]

This is basically Space Porn.

[@Razrman]

@@MegaParrotMan and it’s pretty hardcore

[@papagen00]

she wants big bang bang.

[@quahntasy]

*The end is the beginning* Congratulations Sir Roger Penrose.

[@KabbalahDecoded]

Sefer Yetzirah (Book of Formation, a kabbalistic work): The end is wedged in the beginning and the beginning in the end

[@whatsup2310]

The universe was not keeping time in the beginning. Given relativistic speeds ( even exceeding C during inflation) how can we say 1 how old the universe is ( how do we correct for the time dilation when particles were moving at these speeds?) 2 there was ever a “before” the universe

[@timokaaarp7779]

Donuts

[@fisikalectures597]

why do i literally see you everyhwere

[@dabbbles]

@@KabbalahDecoded WOW!! KINKY!

[@Peppersmam]

Congratulations to Sir Roger on his Noble prize, well overdue 🎉 I am really trying to follow his arguments with the clock and the ripples! I think I’m getting a vinyl record instead 😂

[@richardreffy4550]

Love the way Roger explains his ideas ... fascinating, baffling and funny too ..

[@delq]

Congratulations to Sir Rogen Penrose for winning the Nobel Prize !

[@randallrogers6350]

Sir Roger winning is a stark contrast to Obama "winning" the Nobel Prize, who had accomplished absolutely nothing.

[@thomasneal9291]

@@randallrogers6350 the two committees judge entirely different things. and frankly, doing "nothing" was a far cry better than doing the "something" that BushCo did.

[@Tony-oi3mw]

@@randallrogers6350 That Kissinger is a nobel laureate vacated a substantial amount of the prize's meaning long ago.

[@AlanIsHarmony]

@@randallrogers6350 Trump paid his taxes "in advance". That's a shout-out for morons everywhere.

[@ricomajestic]

@@Tony-oi3mw Don't confuse Nobel Prize in Physics with Nobel Peace Prize which has become politicized!

[@arunganapathy9501]

I was lost - totally lost for most of this- but was still fascinated enough to listen and watch through to the end. Who else is like me?

[@TheWeirdSide1]

The universe is alive and forgets how big/how small it is...what's not to understand lol? ...keep in mind, these nobel prize winning geniuses haven't a clue how the universe works. It's all best guesses leading to more questions. We try to understand existence by using logic/math, yet we have no idea if that will work or not. You're lost because we are all lost. He's talking about things that only math can make sense of. Infinity, for example, is not a real thing, or at least we don't know if it is or not. it might be and his theories might be correct. But we don't know. Just my 2 cents. I'm lost also:)

[@T0mat0S0up]

@@TheWeirdSide1 You're both lost because you're idiots. Its totally conceivable.

[@mariodebuck9420]

We all r

[@TheWeirdSide1]

@William White Clearly my comment went above your head. Try actually understanding what I wrote. You shouted, "logical fallacy" using logical fallacy..lol!

[@TheWeirdSide1]

@@T0mat0S0up Well said. Now please learn how to read, dumbass.

[@CarbonPixel78]

Surprised someone hasn't added visual examples to go along with the explanations in post production.

[@saeedshahbazian9889]

I'm fascinated by some theories of Penrose, specifically what he talks about in this video. The most interesting part is watching Sir Roger explain these theories in an everyday manner. I couldn't do that

[@TheGodpharma]

I've heard or read about Roger Penrose and his work countless times over the years, but I honestly think this is the first time I've ever seen him on screen. He seems to be an amazingly good communicator so I don't know why we don't see more of him. Brilliant man.

[@stuartmccall5474]

As a humble man perhaps he is not overly interested in himself as being "me", a characteristic perhaps others could do well to follow?

[@GreaseMonkey097]

@@stuartmccall5474 He is from a different time my friend. A far different generation that no longer exist or is just fading away. I believe the societal concept of "Individualism" will be studied longer after I'm gone from this place and the effects it had on the people resent today. I am 25 years old though so I do hope I get to read and understand it before I go!

[@stuartmccall5474]

@@GreaseMonkey097 : Perhaps? I think also his origins were an influence. Individualism, in its nowadays classically accepted definition or form, is a construct more at home in US Society as a requisite of "pursuing the dream" towards the amassing of money and what it can bring, this necessitating a significant degree self centeredness and ruthlessness rather then just a degree of the same. Obviously this is a general observation and not absolute. If you compare Sir Roger with Paul Dirac, Alan Turing and Stephen Hawking etc., they all worked with a team of others in order to have others to bounce their ideas off and were all very modest individuals. I think working in a vacuum is the more difficult way to make progress, as all that does is confirm your own brilliance.

[@GreaseMonkey097]

@@stuartmccall5474 I completely agree! The future of the Science's should continue to be the collaborative effort of the intelligent. It's the only way we have progressed this far to begin with. Looking forward I do not believe Individualism, as a molding affect on society or simply just a way of Life, will impact the Science's that much. Maybe that is the beauty of culture though. The work is done as backdrop noise by the people who cared enough to do it.

[@harrybrown5827]

Are these people just searching for God.???

[@gregsocks675]

A large part of me is happy I understood perhaps 1% of what he said.

[@cindyr9704]

1%? If I got 1-10th of 1% I'd have a PHD.

[@steffybabes]

He was simplifying it you know. ???

[@skepticangel286]

😄 I have the same feeling..

[@steffybabes]

Hé wasn’t speaking technically. He was speaking in broad terms to provide general understanding of the concepts.

[@steffybabes]

Jees!

[@dr.kasrafarahani1172]

Just wonderful. Thank you for such a great interview.

[@jmac3112]

I love how he always talks with glee and enthusiasm whenever he's communicating. It's almost like watching a child discover the world for the first time but with vastly more complex ideas

[@thegreathadoken6808]

11:08 "Whoop, there it is!" Sir Roger Penrose.

[@rosros2795]

Brilliant

[@rossglory4631]

he's not afraid to put these wonderful ideas out there to say how they fare. and congratulations to roger penrose for his nobel prize.

[@kennethyoung105]

There numbers that they just made up they don't even know if that math exists.

[@ciesinsk]

First of all: The spoken English alone is a symphony to my mind. The scale invariance idea sounds really interesting.

[@shawnUT1960]

I chuckled when Penrose said Whoop there it is 😊

[@mikehorton2591]

Not a clue what he's on about but still so fascinating.

[@ac-gp3kz]

I know right? Would love to be able to visualise and understand this stuff.

[@GrahamDIY]

Same. Wonderful video.

[@troubletyme5561]

😂I read this prior too watching….. perfectly described what I thought about this shit

[@RichLydd]

With you there Mike! Understand for about a nanosecond then I'm gone, but I love the fact that I am. God knows we need super smart people.

[@tomd1434]

Yup. I feel special after listening to him.

[@ketchup5344]

"Eternity is no big deal to a photon" Remember that next time youre waiting in the queue outside the bank standing two metres apart

[@vips078]

This will be like eternity to us.

[@dabbbles]

Think laterally. Carry a gun. No waiting. (pays well, too.)

[@dabbbles]

????? who stands in the queue? Breeze into the bank, head for the teller's cage coughing and spluttering all over the place, and you'd be amazed how quickly the queue disappears! That might be the very reason god created the virus. (and "saw that it was good")

[@SDL-xu7em]

@@dabbbles 🤪

[@dabbbles]

@DR Rvps Aakash hmmmm. So you're saying relativity is relative?

[@jeannevessard3510]

A brilliant explanation.

[@debanjanchowdhury2349]

One of the greatest explanation. Thank you Sir.

[@katieleporte7087]

Every time he says “you see” I really wish I could see it. 🤣 I understand these ideas almost like it’s all part of a dream and I just woke up and the more I try to remember the dream the more it evaporates.

[@lovemakestheworldgoround6726]

Nicely expressed 😊👌🏼 I was thinking and feeling the same but cdn't think of expressing it in such an articulate way 👌🏼👍

[@vhawk1951kl]

Are you not at all interested in why that is and could not possibly be otherwise?

[@katieleporte7087]

@@vhawk1951kl of course I am interested in all of these types of discussions! I love how these abstract ideas become concrete realities as scientific exploration continues and answers are found.

[@vhawk1951kl]

perhaps like trying to catch or escape from, your shadow?

[@JayakrishnanNairOmana]

"It is pretty hard to bore a photon" - Sir Penrose Has to be the most deeply insightful yet equally hilarious statement I ever heard.

[@ronaldmorgan7632]

We can make 'light' of it...

[@russellnorth1418]

lets go with " deeply insightful " and yes I agree 💕

[@kavindrachetna]

Ha Ha.. Believing in Big Bang itself requires perhaps more faith then believing in God. You have to be a true follower (of Big Bang) to appreciate it without questioning.

[@vhawk1951kl]

when you last experienced " a photon" , how did you know what you were experiencing was " a photon"?

[@vhawk1951kl]

@@kavindrachetna no arguing with that, bravo.

[@youfilin]

the simple words, the accurate ideas. no mass, no clock - bang a new beginning... perfect!

[@MrEtherguy]

That infinitesimal moment when complete heat death creates zero entropy.

[@woodygilson3465]

"The universe forgets how big it is." Brilliant! That's the part of Conformal Cyclic Cosmology I hadn't quite been able to grasp.

[@paulmulenga8742]

Such a beautiful way of talking about physics. Didn't understand a thing,but somehow what he said resonates with me.

[@gisellesinclair6811]

I second that.

[@michaelfosco2531]

“Oh yea, I understand you completely man. Science and space and stuff, totally get it all”

[@alexlucassen8489]

What a great great interview

[@jpick319]

Excellent conversation!

[@apparaodasari2693]

Congratulations Sir , for winning the 2020 Nobel prize in Physics .

[@prioris55555]

We live in electromagnetic based universe. Our universe is plasma / electric universe. Penrose is full of crap. Blackholes are fiction. Big Bang Theory is fiction. Subatomic physics is full of fraud.

[@vhawk1951kl]

what does some gang of mice handing out prizes signify? by 'mice' I mean nothings and bodies.

[@joec_lrp1070]

This concept is absolutely amazing. I love the idea of infinity being like a place that you never get to, until you realize you are already there, and things have already changed. That seems like the purest nature of what infinity could be.

[@lianasammartino8490]

In Plato times, numbers had a DIVINE connotation that has been lost today.....

[@alang.2054]

but ccc doesent work, I can explain u that

[@textech4056]

The Universe created something to observe itself.

[@nmkzf]

infinity is the other side where you are not now at it. (Where one is it is here and infinity is on the other side.)

[@alang.2054]

@@nmkzf proof?

[@JJ33438]

PENROSE AND THE INTERVIEWER DID A GREAT JOB! THANKS FOR THIS.

[@CoolBeansGG]

I love this explanation !

[@kevinmm20]

9:53 That's the universe beginning to feel just a little uncomfortable about what Sir Roger Penrose is saying

[@jade8245]

Hahah 🙌

[@T.S2036]

More like 9:54/55. But yes. The joke was genius.

[@fins59]

Or maybe it was when the bicycle horn went off.

[@TheAmericanDane]

Extremely intelligent but also has the common sense to hold position, wait for the background noise to dissipate and repeat what he had said before the noise.

[@Upstreamprovider]

We're so lucky to be living in this age with so much knowledge.

[@proffdesign]

The people in the time of Jesus had the same thoughts ;-)

[@timokaaarp7779]

Yet, humanity seems hell bent on death by ignorance.

[@skyjack8541]

Lmsolllllllll

[@mitchellc4]

The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.

[@lordemed1]

you think this is good?..wait another 100 yrs or so, haha

[@ittiamgg]

Really enjoyed this and Sir Penrose is brilliant as always and explaining concepts in simple terms. The maximum entropy state of perfect equilibrium seems to be the beginning and the end of everything in the material universe. Everything in between is merely a process to reach back to that state again. When Sir Roger Penrose says there was nothing before the big bang, I think he means we don't know or cannot see but what if we could. I have seen some videos of Sir Penrose where he is contemplating the role of consciousness which makes things very interesting as we have a new variable that requires attention and investigation. It might also provide answers to reconcile principles of Quantum mechanics and General Theory of Relativity.

[@germanjohn5626]

Wonderful presentation, thank you

[@Boogieplex]

This man is a living genius as great as they come..Congratulations Sir Roger Penrose on a well earned Noble Prize.

[@mrcapitalist2285]

LOL

[@markbeames7852]

He's not a genius. The last one true genius was Leonardo DiVinci

[@martycott]

Not as famous as Stephen Hawking for obvious reasons but equally brilliant

[@sebastianwendelbo5453]

@@markbeames7852 roger penrose is a million times smarter than leonardo davinci

[@markbeames7852]

@@sebastianwendelbo5453 lets not get into an unprovable and unnessesary debate.

[@wikiemol2]

Can we all just stop for a second to appreciate the fact that Roger Penrose said "Whoop, there it is" at 11:08

[@vhawk1951kl]

sum up for me exactly what he 'did' say.

[@jimsykes6843]

@@vhawk1951kl Dude why are you such a troll? Give it up already

[@laplacesdemon8140]

understanding such complex ideas give more pleasure than any other things

[@DZX5000]

love listening to this man because its incredibly difficult to explain such topics to the non expert like me 😂

[@drbonesshow1]

Why Did Our Universe Begin? So that Roger Penrose could finally win a Nobel Prize.

[@farrukh2325]

True 3:44 does not make sense hence the nobel sir. Some big words some big theories which make no sense to us. Please put it in simple terms what was there before the big bang. Was it matter like murky water or what.

[@fallenangel2123]

@@farrukh2325 3:56 "...there's NO before..." 😂😂😂 sounds like you read from the bible 🤔

[@letsgosurfing1786]

As good of a reason as any.

[@OhevTorathMoshe]

"I have another idea which I'm pursuing which has a reasonable chance of being right." Awesome humility.

[@edwardgrabczewski]

This is a great video about how theoretical physicists hypothesise about the Universe, getting help from mathematicians to identify the mathematics needed to express these ideas, and come up with a theory that experimental physycists and astrophysicists can use to make observations to verify the theories. We're very fortunate to have an intellectually honest theorist like Roger Penrose to explain these ideas without any pretence that they are nothing more than ideas at this stage, whereas some scientists like to promote their ideas in the media, giving the rest of us the impression that their hypotheses are accepted by the scientific community when in fact they are simply promoting them.

[@govindagovindaji4662]

.....and as usual, I understood nothing...yet still enjoyed it. I listen to this kind of stuff all the time, never understanding...yet always hoping one day, some few words will suddenly jolt my brain into being a science nerd...

[@lordemed1]

Sir Roger is the best of the best. Brilliance, humanness, and common sense.

[@jacksonmorganfroghin4815]

What about the invisible realm? I didn't hear Sir Roger mention it at all. Did you?

[@vhawk1951kl]

means what?

[@uptown3636]

When Sir Roger finally built up to the possible similarities between the very remote past and the very remote future, with the exception of scale, for which there will be no meaningful measure, my jaw actually dropped. What an elegant concept! This video is also an excellent demonstration of how individual notions build on each other within and eventually between generations of scientists.

[@BassGoBomb]

Me too .. couldn't agree more .. 'elegant concept' indeed .. :-)

[@vinaytripathi157]

Dear uptown 3636, Thank you so much for putting it all together into a statement which perhaps will make sense to all of us out there who can now relate and reverberate more clearly with what they felt like and thought after listening to Sir Roger...

[@jishnuraj9866]

I have a doubt . during Big bang temperature is highest. And in future which sir refer here , temperature will be lowest and all photons will be in low energy state. Then how temperature will increase and initiate a new big bang in future. Can anyone help

[@stephen2437]

@@jishnuraj9866 I think what he's saying is that its not the absolute temperature that's important but the relative temperature that matters. So rather than thinking of the big bang as the hottest and the distant future as the coldest its more that at the big bang temperature was uniform, meaning at maximum entropy, and in the distant future it will be uniform, equally meaning maximum entropy, and with maximum entropy comes the inability to measure time and with it measure anything else. So I think in the same way that he said that the universe would forget it's size with no way to measure it, it would also forget it's absolute temperature as there would also be no way to measure that.

[@jishnuraj9866]

@@stephen2437 I think as per second law of thermodynamics entropy is increasing with time and irreversible without outside interference. It's just a measure of vibration of particles. At the big bang temperature was high and entropy lowest .

[@Carefaceeeee]

We need to come up with something so Roger can become 500 years ,we need him here :)

[@BalefulBunyip]

So wonderful that he is still thinking outside of the box. Doesn't feel the need to write yet another paper on inflationary theory but would rather tackle truly big issues with truly revolutionary ideas, and ideas that most importantly can be tested.

[@robmanzoni5766]

This man has a fascinating view; and a wonderful way of expressing things

[@AntoinMhicArtain]

I don't think he's good at explaining what he means

[@davidfarrall]

Many congratulations to Sir Roger Penrose for his long lived and brilliant career, working with Stephen Hawking and many others. His copious Mathematical Works have enriched the World over the last 70 years.

[@BILLY-px3hw]

Thanks to R.L. Kuhn for not interupting Roger and allowing him to jabber on to complete his ideas, many interveiwers are constantly inserting themselves and become a distraction

[@No-xw3jl]

no matter how many episodes you watch of closer to truth - they never seem to get closer to the truth

[@JagadguruSvamiVegananda]

Now *that* is a truism, Mr. Hypocritical Deluded, SLAVE! ✅

[@Backwardlooking]

Wonderful and fascinating as it proposes something that has fascinated myself since my teenage years. 👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@juniorballs6025]

11:08 Yes, Sir Penrose did indeed utter the phrase "Whup, there it is". Awesome 👍

[@NoNTr1v1aL]

I agree, Balls Jr.

[@LordPhobos6502]

I didn't know he played basketball too 👍

[@fallenangel2123]

😅

[@commandingnationsintl7792]

Book of Genesis: "And God said, 'Whoop, there it is...'" and there it was. Cool.

[@rockyourpain4683]

Thank you for finding the words... so regular people (like me) can have a glimpse on such deep, beautiful and complex theme. I’m amazed!

[@gmacson]

This is bone chillingly honest and raw.

[@mustardsaround6852]

Absolutely wonderful talk 👏

[@JoaoSilva-on4od]

For an absolute ignorant like myself this was intense, but absolutely brilliant. The clock metaphor for the time and matter correlation is strinkingly simple and jawdropping. Never before had I seen such a simple and clear way to put it. From then on the concept becomes accessible for a total ignoramous like me to being able to at least follow the rest of the conversation. Also, the way it is put also leads me to think as time as a dimension of its own due to the close relationship it holds with the very nature of space. Not a new concept for me but now I feel like I get a true reason why for it. Of course, for a physicist, what I am saying may be of the most basic intellectual incompetence, but I find it so astounashingly fascinanting that I can't hold myself from sharing my deepest respect for the minds that can trully grasp this.

[@brooklyna007]

There are interesting correlations between Position/Velocity, Position/Frequency, Space/Time and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. The core math is conjugate variables. but the fact that all these things are perfect analogies of each other makes me feel like that time is just the frequency of space at some weird fundamental level.

[@timflippance3040]

@@brooklyna007 YEAH! Make a video explaining your idea more?

[@brooklyna007]

@@timflippance3040 I would love to. But I am responsible for a family and an engineering team and they are taking all my time. =)

[@brooklyna007]

@@timflippance3040 But I am happy to answer any questions about the above on this thread.

[@pcpoliceliveleak5735]

To all the fans of Sir Roger Penrose I highly recommend reading his book The Emporer's New Mind. He goes into much more depth about his theory on what preceeded the Big Bang. He also goes into detail about how algorithms work and why computer algorithms cannot mimic human thinking or consciousness even in principle. A very excellent read that will leave AI cheerleaders quite butt hurt.

[@russellmillar7132]

Did SRP literally write.."computer algorithms cannot mimic human thinking or consciousness"? Which were his stated definitions for "thinking" and " consciousness"? Does " cannot ", mean, " at the present time ", or, " we can safely assume that this will always be the case"? I'll read his book, but has to go at the end of a long reading list. Thanks..

[@mexdal]

@Al Garnier some say that the future already exists!

[@naysneedle5707]

Thanks for the recommendation, sounds really interesting, I'm off to read it.

[@jedaaa]

Algorithms are just brute force logic, nobody seriously thinking about the next generation of AI would rely souly on them, that's not how the brain works.

[@naimulhaq9626]

I was hoping the Plank's data will be shown, but with two confirmations (99.98%) I wonder why picture of the CMB was not shown and explained.

[@farhadfaisal9410]

An incredible combination of physical and geometric imagination to relate, "conformally", the end state of a big bang with the initial state of the next, cyclically, ad infinitum! What is more is that the conjecture is falsifiable. For, it could be tested whether the trace of the so-called "Hawking points" are to be seen in (or reconstructed from) the measured cosmic background microwave spectrum of the universe. Thank you for this remarkable interview with Roger Penrose, one of the greatest minds of our time!

[@john-paulwallcraft9362]

I believe that it's easy for something to happen than nothing to happen forever.

[@0The0Web0]

I do like this idea of the end being the next start

[@iseegood5609]

You'd probably like Genesis to Revelation then. Its the older version of some modern physics tales.

[@dynamicflashy]

@@iseegood5609 Lol. I laugh at Christians who think the religion they happened to have been born into is the correct religion out of the thousands to have ever existed and currently exist. No, this has nothing to with Revelation.

[@iseegood5609]

@@dynamicflashy well your laughing at something. But I wasn't raised or born into being a Christian. Read the whole Bible and maybe you will see. I sometimes laugh at my old self for thinking I was so smart while being an "atheist" and thinking I was so not religious. God loves people, but you don't have to love Him back if you choose not to, but that'd be a bad choice on your part. Keep laughing if you want. Jesus wept. So do I at times. Peace to you and your friends and family.

[@iseegood5609]

@@dynamicflashy I suggest you study religions, history, science and philosophy. You may then realize there's basically only ever been two "religions" or ways. Faith in God and faith in something or someone that is not God.

[@dynamicflashy]

@@iseegood5609 I have studied those things at great length. Heck, I was a Christian for 20 years. Philosophy is my bread and butter. Also, I have extensive knowledge of Christianity, Judaism and Islam, to name a few. Faith in God? A singular god? What about all the thousands of religions that have multiple gods? Even Christianity effectively has multiple Gods (see Trinity), even though many within the religion (who are seemingly confused by the their own religion) don't understand this. 98% of people either believe what they believe due to the family and community they were born into, or they were forcefully converted.

[@shinoraze]

Sir Roger here is persuing his idea of Tessellation Universe! Like those tessellation drawings of MC Escher. Also knows as conformal geometry! 🙌

[@hiersdable]

The universe needed to exist because my personal awesomeness was simply irresistible.

[@Bob123Max]

Here Penrose explains his theory where the beginning is also the end! Profound. As a small child I used to have "scale invariance" nightmares believe it or not - where what I held between my thumb and forefinger was no different to some huge object in outer space. It was all the same. I love the reference to Echer's angels and devils!

[@blovehana]

A unique talent to explain math and physics for the layman to understand. He is a very good speaker.

[@Upstreamprovider]

It's amusing he uses Escher as an illustration to his ideas when his ideas had been an inspiration to Escher... :) Perfection!

[@mikeamir9979]

You got a love Sir Robert Penrose what a legend

[@wojciechjanasjozef]

mindblowing interview :)

[@bobblue_west]

I learned that photons don't get bored and the universe doesn't know how big it is.

[@dabbbles]

sshhh.We don't want it to go on a diet. I doubt we'd all fit into another singularity.

[@Manonsilvermountain]

Very well deserved win of Noble Prize 2020, Dr. Penrose is one the the few physicists who contemplates on "consciousness" in a proper manner.

[@RP-ch8yn]

His speculative albeit interesting views on consciousness had nothing to do with his nobel prize... His contribution to actual theoretical physics research in the form of proving and deriving the Singularity theorems is what got him the prize. His ”theory of consciousness” isn’t actual science. It’s just playful and creative speculation by a brilliant mind.

[@vhawk1951kl]

Clearly any fool can get one of those nonsense prizes.

[@RP-ch8yn]

@@vhawk1951kl Yeah any fool with a phd in mathematical physics who has proven the singularity theorems, been an author in hundreds of some of the most notable and influential scientific research publications of the last 100 years, discovered new features like Penrose tilings, Terrel -rotation etc and changed tensor calculus forever. Oh wait I forgot that you don’t have any training in or even the slightest clue about differential and algebraic geometry and how they relate to spacetime because you’d prefer to just act edgy in yt comments as if you should be taken seriously when in reality you never even put the work in to study the subjects let alone get a degree in physics or mathematics. But with a bit of humility and diligence you could learn these subjects like anyone else.

[@BennyAscent]

@@vhawk1951kl Go on then. Go and get your fool's prize.

[@kevinsayes]

Wow, what an elegant theory. I love it; honestly and kind of floored that he came up with that, whether it be true or not.

[@jessfarr5667]

wow, I’ve read a lot of physics and cosmology over the years and Penrose has gotta be the greatest living physicist. what a treasure!

[@jimmy5634]

He’s lost.

[@jessfarr5667]

@@jimmy5634 how is Roger lost Jimmy 5634

[@tinetannies4637]

@@jimmy5634 ha ha KZbin keyboard genius saying Nobel winning physicist is "lost". Sign of the times, we're in the era of arrogant know-nothings

[@landonbohinc8146]

@Jess Farr He is without Christ. That is why He is lost.

[@landonbohinc8146]

@Tine Tannies What even is a noble prize? I mean REALLY what is it? It is an honor for humans to get assigned by…? Other humans. Other humans decide whether another human is worthy of it. Not to downplay achievements but in the scale of the universe even an atheist agrees that it values to nothing. Even an atheist agrees one human has no right to judge another human. Especially since atheists believe there is no true moral law. And what even is a physicist? Even more what is the art of science? It’s the pursuit of knowledge of creation that we can’t fully understand. We can abstractly understand a lot but ultimately it always leads to a dead end. My point: These nominations you’ve assigned him ultimately amount to nothing so why are you insulting this other person for making a statement when ultimately both people are equal in terms of their understanding about the questions of the beginning of the universe? Yes this man is more qualified in physical science but when it comes to the beginning of the universe… this topic is (and always will be) unable to prove itself without some form of faith. Both Atheists and Christians base their beliefs about the beginning of the universe on faith. Although your final statement may be correct…(probably not for this person) why direct it on this person anyway?

[@athenianheretic3395]

Dear CTT, thank you for your effort to bring in such a distinguished guest as Dr. Penrose. Also thank you for taking advantage of his wisdom on such an interesting and fun topic. Your channel and its contents are a precious contribution to public science education that helps us humans to become better species. Warm regards from a subscriber.

[@andrewmeneely9774]

YES THE gorgon speaks.... BUT WILL SHATNER have mercy

[@drccbiswas6176]

Topic is sensationally beautiful & most demanding . It is touched , which is highly rewarding . Prof Dr CCBISWAS .

[@vhawk1951kl]

If only someone would ask, or would have asked the Penrose fellow exactly what he seeks to convey by " the universe", I guarantee you he would not be able to tell you without waffling and you_knowing, or as is said beating about the bush.

[@clooktout]

Emphasis on fun, because that is what it is!!!!!

[@vhawk1951kl]

"Better" in what sense and by what measure?-likeable?

[@madhusudanjeurkar3178]

Congratulations Sir Roger Penrose! Amazing genius with modesty to admit that this is a mathematics, and physical reality could br different.

[@9126786]

Thanks as always. Bless you Roger .

[@bernhardwardein2884]

Phantastic that we might be able to prove it through observation