Roland JUNO D // Review & Tutorial (JUNO D6, D7 & D8)

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@TheScreamingFrog916
@TheScreamingFrog916 2 ай бұрын
Ticks all the boxes for me...Battery power, lite weight, sequencer, nice display, great sounds, multitimbral, usb audio. Love it ❤🎹❤
@danbunge9787
@danbunge9787 Ай бұрын
It really shines on this Retro, Cowboy, Arcade, Horror Goth, Reggaetone, Early Eighties, Mosh Pit, Punk, Dance, Gas Station, Baked, Mutation Jam!
@billfusionenterprise
@billfusionenterprise 14 күн бұрын
the ds line is the battery powered ones, but with external power brick you could battery op this one
@nahrky
@nahrky 2 ай бұрын
AudioPilz memes aside, I think people need to remember that this isn't trying to compete with a Super 6 or break any ground at all. It's like when the Arturia Astrolab came out - people complained that it was a preset machine, but SO many musicians appreciate having a keyboard setup that doesn't include a laptop and interface to muck about with on stage. Sometimes a preset machine is all you need in a band setting. As a progression of its older counterpart, this doesn't immediately make me want to upgrade. But if my DS61 ever breaks, it's nice to know that there's a more modernised version of my workhorse that I can pick up. Great video as always!
@mudi2000a
@mudi2000a 2 ай бұрын
The thing is, it does compete also with Roland itself. I don't understand why you would buy this over a Fantom-06, unless you are really tight on money.
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 2 ай бұрын
@@mudi2000a exactly, this model will outsell the Fantom-06 because of its lower price and having all the bells and whistles your average stage performer wants, Fantom-06 is overkill
@ThePointingArrows
@ThePointingArrows 2 ай бұрын
@@nahrky sure. I actually kind of like this machine, along with the “good multisampler in a box” shtick. The thing is, it is very much not a juno, despite being marketed with that name. I guess the frustration and jokes stem from this fact.
@avace917
@avace917 Ай бұрын
​@@mudi2000aI own a MPC One Plus and wouldn't really need More than 8 MIDI channels or 7 if I'm not using the drums. You are right in that price will attract any perspective customers. I have internal plugins inside the MPC if I needed
@abrahamsanchez7049
@abrahamsanchez7049 Ай бұрын
If you didn’t have a DS-61, would you got with the DS-61 or the D
@MickBenjamins
@MickBenjamins 2 ай бұрын
Now I want a video slideshow of all of Loopop's old party pictures
@danbunge9787
@danbunge9787 Ай бұрын
He was known as The Loop back in the day.
@ThePointingArrows
@ThePointingArrows 2 ай бұрын
A new rompler bearing the Juno name? A certain Austrian man is gonna have a field day!
@enochroot9438
@enochroot9438 2 ай бұрын
I still don't understand why Roland don't send Florian every unit they release?
@infn8loopmusic
@infn8loopmusic 2 ай бұрын
​@@enochroot9438😂 Maybe it's the tweezers joke?
@voidcat6876
@voidcat6876 2 ай бұрын
...... i think that austrian man died a long time ago...
@jo_tsktsk
@jo_tsktsk 2 ай бұрын
😂 welcome, to another episode of..
@nujuat
@nujuat 2 ай бұрын
At the first glace, it does look like it's going to tick all the boxes...
@coolo73
@coolo73 2 ай бұрын
No doubt this keyboard is coming to a cover band near you. Synth nerds will talk trash because this is not groundbreaking, but it definitely fills a gap. There are very few sub $1000 workstation keyboards currently on the market. The Korg Kross is I think the only other, plus Roland hasn't updated this series in like 10 years. Overall I think it's functional, covers all the bases a player would need, and way cheaper than the cheapest Fantom.
@cirisirpula152
@cirisirpula152 2 ай бұрын
Seems like a pretty great upgrade to DS61
@alexgrunde6682
@alexgrunde6682 2 ай бұрын
If it had any name on it other than Juno, I don’t think it’d be getting that flak. That name has been assigned so much weight by the retro synth crowd that if Roland releases anything that isn’t a one oscillator per voice analog with a super-lush chorus, they riot.
@scott21113
@scott21113 2 ай бұрын
I've had a DS76 previous generation for about 7 years, played nearly 300 shows in an 80s cover band with it and never heard a complaint from bar patrons or wedding party guests about the patches sounding thin or not analog enough. It replaced a Juno Stage I had. The DS76 weighs practically nothing, allows me to use batteries when in a spot without power, I can import my own samples for custom song patches, it has a Windows 10 compatible sample editor, a patch librarian, and you get the Axial (SRX) board sound sets AND ALL THE XV-5080 patches to use since the Juno DS engine is compatible with that generation of gear. We use the audio pads for show intro recordings or set break music. I've tried to gig with a Kronos, a MODX7, and a Krome 76, and they're all sold or at home in their gig bags (too heavy, screens or surface labels too hard to read, or too many distractions/bells/whistles) On average at $150 take home a show - I've pulled in about $45k gig income earned since mid 2016 with a $849 (at the time plus $150 for a Roland gig bag) board. I put it through a Radial D2 DI and it's good to go. If I was starting over or my present DS kicks the bucket I'd pick this up in a heartbeat to get access to Scene mode and tone category shortcuts.
@ytJnC
@ytJnC 2 ай бұрын
Looks like a capable and relatively inexpensive synth for gigs. If damaged it should be easy to find a replacement at a big box music store in the next city on the tour. As someone alluded earlier, the audience doesn’t care that you aren’t playing the latest greatest $3000-4000 polysynth in a live band setting.
@jtrace-444
@jtrace-444 2 ай бұрын
You think JDXI is Similar?....or Any Good?
@rayderrich
@rayderrich 2 ай бұрын
Fun to watch and luckily no G.A.S. was felt so all is good in the world.
@RikMaxSpeed
@RikMaxSpeed 2 ай бұрын
Excellent entry-level keyboard, way more affordable than a Fantom, and for most gigs will cover everything you need.
@toddmorrison7342
@toddmorrison7342 Ай бұрын
I just received my Juno D6 to replace my old Juno 61 which I've been using for the last four years along with my Roland RD2000. I bought this one because it much easier to use and is the perfect keyboard for gigging, complimenting our bands expansion of 80s/90s covers. For me, it's a must have on top of my RD2000.
@mattpocock8393
@mattpocock8393 16 күн бұрын
Great review thanks Loopop! Had my D7 2 days now and it perfectly fills my need for a stage keyboard with great easy to find presets to accompany my Akai Force. Added bonus of being able to play backing tracks while the Akai loads, and jam something up quick if needed. No extra audio leads needed either, running akai or decks through the Ext input.
@EverettDudgeon138
@EverettDudgeon138 2 ай бұрын
I have no idea why Roland still hasn’t done a D50 expansion with Zencore. For a synth that’s so well remembered, it feels like Roland constantly ignores it. How “Digital Native Dance” isn’t a baked in preset on their ZenCore machines is mind boggling"
@uubrmanx
@uubrmanx 2 ай бұрын
The patch editor on this reminds me of the original Roland Fantom FA76, where each parameter and partial were laid out on a grid to be navigated by a dpad, a scroll wheel, and 8 buttons located under the screen (of which 4 could be used to select which partials you want to edit when holding shift and the 8th button is used to select things). Because of that screen it's actually really easy to make patches for it, and very quick as well.
@StuartMawdsley
@StuartMawdsley 2 ай бұрын
That's the bit which interests me, navigating through the flow of a synth is the biggest set back for my creativity and I like to see the controls all laid out.
@djkanyon
@djkanyon 2 ай бұрын
What's with the names of Roland gear lately? Juno D is different synth from 2005. It still on Roland website BTW. It seems like Roland kinda forgot about their own synth?
@Digitalstone
@Digitalstone 2 ай бұрын
A follow up to the 707 with this screen would be amazing.
@VacancyOfDisco
@VacancyOfDisco 2 ай бұрын
100%!
@Digiphex
@Digiphex 2 ай бұрын
And sidechain compression, the glaring feature missing from the 707.
@wakinglife7065
@wakinglife7065 18 күн бұрын
I want a Roland Mx 2 for aira devices.
@arlencarroll1964
@arlencarroll1964 9 күн бұрын
Word
@andreasobermeier6231
@andreasobermeier6231 2 ай бұрын
I love how my JV-30 evolved over the years 🙂
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 2 ай бұрын
lol
@SershKeys
@SershKeys Ай бұрын
I read the manuals 2x front to back, and you definitely explain it better! Thank you!
@Aetila
@Aetila 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for all the synth presentations!
@loopop
@loopop 2 ай бұрын
Glad you like them and thanks!
@Aetila
@Aetila 2 ай бұрын
@@loopop Thanks mate!
@lakebergr
@lakebergr 2 ай бұрын
Thought I was clicking on latest episode of Bad Gear. 🤣
@ATLASilluminated
@ATLASilluminated 2 ай бұрын
Seeing the comments on videos of this synth makes me sad. Some of us just want something portable and playable, and with customization of the partials and an 8-track sequencer, it seems like a very useful tool for songwriting and sound design. I dunno, I’m thinking of selling the last few synths I have and getting this instead. Been wanting to consolidate anyways and this does all that I need, so I think Roland did good with this one
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 2 ай бұрын
You've got the right ideas.
@christopherkiyui8071
@christopherkiyui8071 Ай бұрын
Can someone tell me. Will 64 voice polyphony cut it? I need something portable, reliable, affordable, giggable and goodsoundable.
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 Ай бұрын
@@christopherkiyui8071 don't confuse this 2024 Juno-D with the older 2005 Juno-D
@XanderEwald
@XanderEwald 18 күн бұрын
Looks like the perfect companion to an MPC for standalone beat making.
@wireguy123
@wireguy123 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video....Sounds like a Roland slight de-balled FA06 with Zencore sounds
@Digiphex
@Digiphex 2 ай бұрын
I have been using Zencore since 1987 with my D-50. It wasn't called Zencore then but it was still a mix of VA waves with PCM samples. I then saw it in my Fantom workstation and recognized it from my D-50 but with more PCM. This one is kind of a cut down Fantom or cut down MC-707 which doesn't allow the models to be loaded like the JUNO-X allows. It is all various flavors of 1987.
@Tripwelleverday
@Tripwelleverday 2 ай бұрын
Finally someone understands
@scott21113
@scott21113 2 ай бұрын
@@DigiphexA reissue of the D-50 would be DOA with the general public and a reissue with changes would upset the fanboys. Why should Roland bother? They want new customers, not dudes with a wall of synths that wax nostalgic of something the general public isn’t clamoring for. I mean Bad Gear is fun and all but Roland seems to be doing fine. If they copied themselves they’d be isht upon by fanboys like Behringer is.
@SPAZZOID100
@SPAZZOID100 2 ай бұрын
@@scott21113Jupiter-8 re-issue.
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 2 ай бұрын
Whoa, JV1080 and its descendants all the way to the current Zen-Core gear blow the D-50 engine out of the water and out of orbit with extreme prejudice. The D-50 is the prototype, yes, and an utterly garbage facsimile of Zen-Core or even the older "PCM engine" shared by JV1080 and its descendants. But you are free to stroke yourself to whatever absurd delusions float your boat, of course.
@smithmann5616
@smithmann5616 2 ай бұрын
Interesting. The Juno-D effectively replaces the DS line so that now their entry-level workstation is on Zen-Core too and they have 3 tiers on Zen-core - Juno-D, Fantom-0 and Fantom. Also, neither Korg's nor Yamaha's entry-level workstations utilize their flagship sound engines. This is a win in my opinion (but maybe I'll change my tune after I actually watch the video lol!), especially as it's effectively cheaper than the DS line was (well, not with a zen-core subscription it's not, but I'm sure that's the point).
@GirlfightClub
@GirlfightClub 2 ай бұрын
Great intro!!! ❤
@CarlosShaw
@CarlosShaw 2 ай бұрын
Incredibly, 30 years later Roland are still making synthesizers that sound the same as the wonderful JV 1080 from 1994, ok more connectivity, audio input, USB, blah blah, but again in the end they sound the same! Don't get me wrong, I don't want to seem like a hater, I think it's fine but nothing really revolutionary. Dear Loopop thank you for your wonderful review as always. PS give my regards to Slash!! hahaha :)
@aloraliquid
@aloraliquid 2 ай бұрын
I’m trying to think of the last time I’ve heard something “revolutionary” in the synth world 🤔🤔🤔 That being said… I still know EXACTLY what you mean here lol :) cheers friend 🍻
@chinossynthesizer705
@chinossynthesizer705 2 ай бұрын
​​@@aloraliquidlol, only rare old additive synths can make revolutionary sounds.
@Digiphex
@Digiphex 2 ай бұрын
1987 D-50 was the first time I heard these VA and PCM samples. I recognized some later in my Fantom.
@aloraliquid
@aloraliquid 2 ай бұрын
@@chinossynthesizer705 😂 seriously though, it’s all been heard before. I haven’t heard anything in recent that has made me go “well that sounds new!” in terms of usable sounds. My opinion of course….
@chinossynthesizer705
@chinossynthesizer705 2 ай бұрын
@@aloraliquid rmi synthesizer, Dk synergy, and seiko ds 250 are additive monsters from the 80s that are rare and were never heard before. Old 80s drum machines are good new music sucks lol the 90s were better. Additive synthesis can make usable sounds it's the player who's the one that can't use it.
@Gr8VKS
@Gr8VKS 14 күн бұрын
Very comprehensive video, thanks
@fritsvanzanten3573
@fritsvanzanten3573 2 ай бұрын
I always loved Fred Flint's tone.
@fritsvanzanten3573
@fritsvanzanten3573 2 ай бұрын
Yabba Dabba Do Yabba Dabba Re Yabba Dabba Mi .....
@mauquibzonedout
@mauquibzonedout 2 ай бұрын
Roland sound good as usual.
@chetfakerofficial
@chetfakerofficial Ай бұрын
Are any of the electric piano patches any good? Like close ish to a nord electro?
@loopop
@loopop Ай бұрын
Hey - thanks for dropping by :) I've never tried an electro. These are classic roland sounds and I think very usable, especially with the effects, but that might be a very personal thing. There are also a few EXZ e-piano expansions I've not tried but they're like $20. What I'd recommend is to get a free trial of Roland Cloud - the exact same zencore sounds are in Zenology (and Zenology Pro) so you can get a feel for those for free. Would love to know what you think!
@chetfakerofficial
@chetfakerofficial Ай бұрын
@@loopop 🫡 ❤️
@LiftedNoise
@LiftedNoise 2 ай бұрын
I had a JUNO DS and really liked the sequencer/track mixer workflow. I think if Roland made a groovebox with pads only and added Sampling/chopping give it some of the SP-404 MK2 features that would bould real nice 👌 "JUNO-S or JUNO-SP"
@infn8loopmusic
@infn8loopmusic 2 ай бұрын
I would definitely be interested in that, that's a great idea
@derekcrockett6214
@derekcrockett6214 2 ай бұрын
Isn't that a VERSELAB?
@LiftedNoise
@LiftedNoise 2 ай бұрын
@derekcrockett6214 yea sort of. I never tried one, but they could definitely improve on that from the looks of it. Add this new JUNO D screen so that you can see the mixer and also have a waveform display for sampling features. Also, I like the step sequencer on it that doubles as instrument category navigation. I think the verse lab is like the MC-101, and navigating through sounds isn't the best on that.
@toddmorrison7342
@toddmorrison7342 4 күн бұрын
One other question please: When I go into "parts" I do not have a volume control on the right side displayed as yours does; as such, I cannot adjust the volume for each part, nor does the keyboard highlight the parts that are activated. Is there a setting to make this happen? If there is, I cannot find it anywhere, pretty frustrating! Much thanks in advance if you're able to help!
@e-conrecords4665
@e-conrecords4665 2 ай бұрын
Everything is becoming increasingly beige and homogenous at Roland. This feels just like everything else they’ve released in the age of zencore.
@ShadowriverUB
@ShadowriverUB 2 ай бұрын
Technicly any digital synth could turn in to software platfrom, that's what Roland is doing. If they having good software platform, why change that? Physical instruments with digital guts are more about physical appearance then software because all that you can have on PC.
@omelashomelas
@omelashomelas 2 ай бұрын
​@@ShadowriverUB zzzz
@sturdyblock
@sturdyblock 2 ай бұрын
@@ShadowriverUB LoL. Good software platform? I assume that's a joke. Roland cloud is a poorly executed, subscription service, that has little interest in musicians or indeed any type of end user. Merely Software As A Service subscription.
@jumpstar9000
@jumpstar9000 2 ай бұрын
Roland cloud is incredible value for money, especially if you compare it to other vendors, and the integration with their hardware is second to none. There is a reason that Roland is so huge. It's because people like their products and trust the brand. As far as Zencore, that is the Roland synthesis engine - it works and every manufacturer has their own equivalent, whether it is Korg, Moog, Yamaha, Novation or Sequential.
@PorchBass
@PorchBass 2 ай бұрын
Perfect sound and software until... The next generation of perfect sound and software. No thanks
@RottenRotny
@RottenRotny 2 ай бұрын
That Arpeggiator looks awesome. I don't know why more synths don't add arp patterns, it's always just up, down, random 😴
@loopop
@loopop 2 ай бұрын
agree 100%
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 2 ай бұрын
The arpeggiator in this isn't new by far. You are missing out if you like going DAWless to some extent and do not use a workstation keyboard for support, in my opinion. The Korg Kross is better in the MIDI and sequencing departments versus Roland Junos and Yamaha MX. The Kross can also double as a decent post effects processor, too. The nice arpeggiator in this Juno-D can transmit MIDI, but the sequencer cannot. They want you switching to MC-707, Fantom-0, FA, or JD-Xi for that.
@rafaelcatarino8372
@rafaelcatarino8372 Ай бұрын
Korg and Yamaha left the chat
@RottenRotny
@RottenRotny Ай бұрын
@@rafaelcatarino8372 My Yamaha AN1x has a bunch of cool arp patterns. Other than that my Virus does as well and now the Juno D. That's all I can think of.
@rafaelcatarino8372
@rafaelcatarino8372 Ай бұрын
@@RottenRotny korg with it's dual arpeggiators, and Yamaha motifs with 6000 arpeggio types?
@mysticsailor9
@mysticsailor9 Ай бұрын
I really wouldn't call this a "preset machine" given that you can fully edit the tones, including having them based on user samples. As a performance machine, a user would be pre-making scene(s) per song, so the limited immediate controls are more than adequate. All in all, you get a LOT of stuff here and its the best Juno since the old Juno G imo.
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 Ай бұрын
Juno-G -> Juno-Gi - > FA - > Fantom-0 2005 Juno-D -> Juno-D LE -> Juno-Di - > Juno-DS - > 2024 Juno-D Different eras and product lines.
@ElektronicCricket
@ElektronicCricket 2 ай бұрын
Thanks Loopop … again a great review. I’m a little bit disappointed about the lack of a song mode. I use the previous version JunoDS88 and I like this instrument for the available sounds in general and also the touch but that “phrase loop” thing on the right side … very limited … why not a song mode, lineair recording mode Roland? (I never use this part ) It’s not possible for recording a classical or a jazz tune because there’s a limitation in measures. I think most musicians would like to make songs, complex compositions , on the other hand, it can be a challenge to make songs with this limitation. This keyboard does do the job live, no complaints . IMO, my JunoDS sounds much better than the RD88 … that’s my taste of course 😊 but you have to do some editing because some presets sounding very flat , boring (especially the synth category). So, no big changes… It’s a JunoDS with ZenCore compatibility, new screen and knobs, …
@andrewverran6998
@andrewverran6998 2 ай бұрын
I still don't get why Roland hasn't provided any Alpha Juno/ MKS50 related devices or ANYTHING .. Great review as always LOOPOP. ✌️
@SyntheticFuture
@SyntheticFuture 2 ай бұрын
There's always a lot of hate towards 'cheaper' digital instruments but I think this does a lot of things right. - Lots of easy to acces sounds - Making it easy to take the sounds from your DAW on the road - Deep patch editing on the go if needed - Quite a few playing tools / modes This instrument is not aimed at the collectors or people that already have a bunch of high end synths. This is a solid mid range board that you can take to band practice or small shows without having to worry about much. It's not perfect but it seems highly useable. Will definitely beat the average beginner Casio.
@jantuitman
@jantuitman 2 ай бұрын
I think this keyboard can be quite fun if you don’t have playing skills (like me) and you want to spend some time setting up scenes so that most of the parts are automated and you have to focus only on playing a small subset of the notes needed. I wonder if it would be possible to set up sequences on a part that get to be transposed by part of the keyboard?
@loopop
@loopop 2 ай бұрын
I didn't see that feature
@jantuitman
@jantuitman 2 ай бұрын
@@loopop I personally would have liked a transpose feature. But maybe it isn’t that important in the grand scheme of things.
@andrewsmith9440
@andrewsmith9440 2 ай бұрын
The JDXI lets you do a trick like that with the arpegiator in hold mode using the octave up and down buttons to transpose. Also sends the arepegiated midi notes out
@adrianoconnor3020
@adrianoconnor3020 2 ай бұрын
I love my JV1010,I used it with a controller 7 years ago as a second keyboard,definitely inconvenient 😀.I replaced it with a FA06 so now I'm thinking of upgrading
@wireguy123
@wireguy123 2 ай бұрын
Have a FA06 too.....Pads on FA06 can do so many more things but Zencore if fresher sounds.
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 2 ай бұрын
@@wireguy123 If there are "fresher" Zen-Core sounds, you have to buy them from Roland Cloud. Otherwise, learn how to sound design.
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 2 ай бұрын
This 2024 Juno-D is not an upgrade over FA-06 in any meaningful way. Fantom-06 is much closer to FA, however - even the user manuals are just the FA manuals with a few edits.
@wizardkings6375
@wizardkings6375 Ай бұрын
I would be interested to know if the onboard drums can be programmed to stop and go with the FC1 or 2, and if so , will the style and tempo designate a scene programmed into a favourite, Good video by the way, lots of info
@indigosnow_
@indigosnow_ 2 ай бұрын
So am update to the DS series? Nice. I have the Juno Ds61 and it rocks but is getting outdated. Might upgrade to this for sure
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 2 ай бұрын
How is it "outdated"? Korg Kross and Yamaha MX do not beat it in sound or performance features by far. I believe that Yamaha could outdo it whenever they please, but they demonstrate that they couldn't care any less about the entry-level segment. Kross is crazy packed with features, but the performance controls and features are clunky and janky as heck, lol Juno-D has all the same 30-year-old samples and presets that Juno-DS and Juno-Di have, you know?
@SubhashMurmuSMV
@SubhashMurmuSMV Ай бұрын
When will it be available in India
@drindy5166
@drindy5166 2 ай бұрын
Haha... Love the intro especially the way back playback look at previous band and experience. Never saw that coming but explains a lot of your review power house knowledge. Great stuff brother! 🔥 👊 🧡 👍 🔥
@loopop
@loopop 2 ай бұрын
Thanks! I learned everything I know from Slash!
@maarzt
@maarzt 2 ай бұрын
​aka Slesh...
@Michel-r6m
@Michel-r6m 2 ай бұрын
In case you do not remember it was definately Slash! Still watching...
@bauhnguefyische667
@bauhnguefyische667 2 ай бұрын
Wow, this is so innovative!
@toddmorrison7342
@toddmorrison7342 5 күн бұрын
Can the sequencer be activated by hitting a single key? For example, if you create a sequence in the key of C, and want to play that same sequence in the key of F by hitting the F key, can this be done? Thank you!
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 5 күн бұрын
That's a JD-Xi feature.
@enochroot9438
@enochroot9438 2 ай бұрын
Loopop! Be careful when adding Cowbell...it may summon a wild Florian!
@loopop
@loopop 2 ай бұрын
Who says I wasn't doing that on purpose...
@robertsyrett1992
@robertsyrett1992 2 ай бұрын
Finally a chord mode that shifts the cord along the keyboard!
@scott21113
@scott21113 2 ай бұрын
@@robertsyrett1992 The FA series and present Fantom do that. You have to change the root key, works like a charm.
@binchsoda
@binchsoda 2 ай бұрын
Normal screen on a Roland? No way, whats AudioPilz gonna do?
@nickademuss42
@nickademuss42 2 ай бұрын
NIce gear, crippled by their cloud, it blows, but the gear is amazing, the patches are amazing, the roland cloud feels like it needs about 5 more years to mature.
@scott21113
@scott21113 2 ай бұрын
@@nickademuss42 I have a Gaia 2, Juno-X and Jupiter Xm and when you have the WC-1 and Cloud connect it’s a joy. I intensely dislike using the Roland Cloud Manager app on my Mac but with the 3 recents synths it’s really a great experience.
@salmanshami
@salmanshami 24 күн бұрын
Thanks for the super detailed review. How does this compare to a Korg Kross 2?
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 21 күн бұрын
Very different keyboards overall, the Kross2 is packed with more features and a traditional linear sequencer with 16-parts instead of an 8-part loop-based sequencer of the Juno. Kross2 keybeds are not at all as good as the ones on the Junos (whther this Juno-D or the Juno-Di and Juno-DS predecessors). Workflows in Juno-DS and Juno-D are better. Beware that when you seach for info on this 2024 Juno-D, don't get mixed up with the old 2005 Juno-D.
@KipCount
@KipCount 15 күн бұрын
can you load and launch one shot .wav samples with the pad buttons?
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 14 күн бұрын
Yes
@0072gldnfngr
@0072gldnfngr 2 ай бұрын
Kinda weird they don’t allow it to support micro timing but the AIRA sampler they just released does.
@PRODUCEDBYLILDOUG
@PRODUCEDBYLILDOUG 2 ай бұрын
Does that mean 32nd notes at a BPM under
@tonylancer7367
@tonylancer7367 2 ай бұрын
Finally, the video has come out, thanks for appeasing my curiosity Loopop! Question, I see on the Roland website that it's got class compliant audio, have you tested to connect this to an iPad/iPhone and it works (Roland website states: USB COMPUTER port: USB Type-C(R) (Class Compliant for Audio and MIDI/ Roland driver for Audio and MIDI))?
@loopop
@loopop 2 ай бұрын
Yes it works with a iPad (stereo audio only though, not multitrack)
@tonylancer7367
@tonylancer7367 2 ай бұрын
@@loopop Cool, that means I can use iOS apps for expanding sound! One more Q, I see this board only has access to 8 (MIDI) parts, can I bypass that by using a DAW/External Sequencer?
@loopop
@loopop 2 ай бұрын
@@tonylancer7367 I didn’t have time to look at the midi spec - I believe not likely
@gasparpini
@gasparpini 2 ай бұрын
Roland making top of the line Jupiter X/Juno X 😅 - NO! we don’t need a screen! Let’s puts the tiny screm ever! 😡 Roland making a low standard - OMG! We need the best screen ever made in this company!!!🤩 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@SonicVibe
@SonicVibe 2 ай бұрын
😂
@michaelfyod
@michaelfyod 2 ай бұрын
0:32 Disclaimer: synth does not actually shoot laser notes 😂
@blastertone06
@blastertone06 2 ай бұрын
Hello Loopop, thank you very much for this test. I have a question : since a single pattern can be programmed for each scene, do you know if it possible to chain scene patterns : for exemple scene 1 = intro, scene 2 = verse, scene 3 = chorus, and when you play the sequencer and you switch from the verse to chorus, so the scene is switched properly at the end of the last bar of the current scene pattern before starting the pattern of the new scene ? Thank you for your answer.
@loopop
@loopop 2 ай бұрын
No, to my knowledge you cannot chain scenes
@blastertone06
@blastertone06 2 ай бұрын
@@loopop Thank you very much!
@Cesarsound1
@Cesarsound1 Ай бұрын
Very good review. Is it possible to import drums samples and make a new drum kit on it? Thanks!
@loopop
@loopop Ай бұрын
Thanks! yes it is possible
@DCaseyTucker
@DCaseyTucker 2 ай бұрын
The things this synth can't do will keep me using my JUNO-DS for years to come.
@loopop
@loopop 2 ай бұрын
Interesting - I never tried one - curious, what are those things?
@scott21113
@scott21113 2 ай бұрын
@@loopop Have a dedicated software editor/librarian, load XV-5080 patches, use batteries, not have a chord memory, not have per part effects, lack many of the new effects. I have a DS61 and the D6 does everything except what I mentioned. The D6 is a slight improvement and only slightly more expensive than the most recent DS61 street price was, plus it will be around a decade with support.
@DCaseyTucker
@DCaseyTucker 2 ай бұрын
I think they did improve on the interface since the DS with the new D, but there are a couple of things missing. Octave scale tuning appears to be only available via SysEx commands, and while the D has 8 layers, the DS can quickly switch between 16 layers which can be handy when controlling other synths on assigned channels. Also, it appears the "not being able to use things in parallel" is still present which I'd like to have seen improved in a newer product.
@LarryJanca
@LarryJanca Ай бұрын
on the top of the display with the up button, I see PR-a, PR-b, PR-c and USER. I cannot hear these sounds, how do I load them. in addition, from the soundlist, which I printed out from the website I cannot get PR-d, PR-e and COMMON. please help, I wrote to Roland several days ago and still have not heard from them.
@ZZKJ396
@ZZKJ396 2 ай бұрын
Roland JUNO-D7 Synthesizer $1,149.99 Roland JUNO-D8 Synthesizer $1,299.99 Roland JUNO-D6 Synthesizer $899.99
@hindravibandkushalpura
@hindravibandkushalpura 2 ай бұрын
Hello
@Nicolas_J3869
@Nicolas_J3869 2 ай бұрын
Hi, I have a question, does the sequencer allow to record several tracks at the same time? Thank you for your answer.
@Devo_gx
@Devo_gx 2 ай бұрын
This video shows off a lot of new features that seem to not be present in the Juno DS line. Makes my decision of which one to purchase a more difficult one. Do I save a few hundred dollars and get the DS? Do I wait for this one to become available and get it? I do like the display on this one as well as the sequencer
@loopop
@loopop 2 ай бұрын
There are plenty of people in the comment section that like their DS - so you can scroll around to see why; what I didn't include in this comparison is that the D has thousands more presets, if that's a consideration for you
@engx3733
@engx3733 2 ай бұрын
Not bad. Really good if you have the zenology software.
@0072gldnfngr
@0072gldnfngr 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video! Although I know they weren’t trying to do anything new, I’m always down to see your viewpoint and reviews! Question for you, Can you load the EXZ via their app? All exz are available to this model, correct? Looking to hock my integra 7 lol
@loopop
@loopop 2 ай бұрын
Thanks! There's no librarian app for the JUNO D; on Roland's Clud app 13 EXZ's are compatible with this - I don't know if it's all of them...
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 2 ай бұрын
Get Fantom-06 instead to replace the Integra, I say.
@0072gldnfngr
@0072gldnfngr Ай бұрын
@@loopop thanks!
@0072gldnfngr
@0072gldnfngr Ай бұрын
@@Jason75913 this may sound dumb but from what I recall from the 2 weeks I owned the Fantom-06, the UI was just too much for me. Lol 🤷🏾‍♂️ This seems simple, clean and straight to the point from my perspective.
@manofsound9098
@manofsound9098 2 ай бұрын
This is so similar to the Juno DS. My only question that no one seems to know about is will this let you "Chain patterns" together to form a complete song or is the sequencer a basic scratch pad for ideas?
@loopop
@loopop 2 ай бұрын
As I mention in the video, no it's not possible
@С_песней_по_жизни
@С_песней_по_жизни 2 ай бұрын
Thank you! I wonder if there a trick to play recorded patterns (scenes) sequentially, like a song mode. Maybe assigning them to the phrase pads? The max I can get 64 steps with 60 bpm. Still short. but chaining would help.
@BobTrombone1
@BobTrombone1 Ай бұрын
Awesome Video!!! You obviously know your stuff (inside and out)! Quick question from a Synth "new-bee": Do I need a special type of sustain pedal for the Juno-D6? I can't figure out how to simply use a pedal to actually sustain a chord or a note! I am very new at synthesizers (although I am a long-time professional trombonist, arranger, and pianist), and just purchased this JUNO-D6 (it's my first synthesizer). Frankly - I'm overwhelmed - but in a good way! Can you please get back to me and let me know what I need to do in terms of a sustain pedal? I tried plugging in my Yamaha sustain pedal - but it does nothing. Thanks in advance! Bob
@loopop
@loopop Ай бұрын
Thanks! It should work I guess, sustain pedals are pretty standard. Go to the D6 settings and try changing the polarity. Does the Yamaha sustain pedal plug have two black rings? if so it may be expression and not sustain pedal and that could be messing with it.
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 Ай бұрын
Yamaha sustain pedals use a different polarity, so it won't work with Roland keyboards You need a universal pedal like the M-Audio SP-2. Alternatively, the Roland DP-10 allows for half-pedalling if you want that.
@j6700b
@j6700b Ай бұрын
It's quite like a FA-06 just with ZEN-Core. All other functions are there also but the FA-0x has an serious sequencer with grid view etc.
@wireguy123
@wireguy123 Ай бұрын
Have an FA06...love the features but sounds are dated. Also going away from complicated and heading tawards light and easy to use which the new JUNO D seams to offer.
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 Ай бұрын
FA-06 successor is Fantom-06. Even the user manuals for the Fantom-0 series are just FA manuals with a few slight edits. Juno-D competitor is the Korg Kross. Even more feature-packed, but not as user friendly and versatile for live as Juno-DS and Juno-D If you don't like FA sounds, grab a Krome EX or MODX+, anything Zen-Core uses the same 30-year-old sounds and samples as FA. Kross is also much more like FA-06 than Juno-D is as far as features/functions.
@wireguy123
@wireguy123 Ай бұрын
@@Jason75913 Thanks Jason, I will dive deeper into my FA06
@Kopernicus67
@Kopernicus67 20 күн бұрын
How do you add new Zencore sounds? I successfully loaded the .sdz files to get new patches through the menu, but cannot figure out how to import the .exz files. Not in the manual, and nothing on YT. Any ideas???
@loopop
@loopop 20 күн бұрын
Check out the cloud manual - exz are expansion packs, not zencore sounds, you load them differently if I remember correctly (I think by holding enter when you power up but please read the manual for the whole process...)
@Kopernicus67
@Kopernicus67 19 күн бұрын
@@loopop Thanks! That worked! I tried the hold down Write (like the DS) and that didn't go. I bought the Vintage Synth pack and assumed given its size and different file extension, these were additional zencore, but the documentation on how to load them or what they are is poor at best.
@Meanwhilest
@Meanwhilest 2 ай бұрын
How about a new MC with a screen like that and full synth model editing capabilities.
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 2 ай бұрын
MC-707? It rocks.
@frank_bee
@frank_bee 2 ай бұрын
they should gift you the stuff and pay you ontop for your deep high quality reviews/manuals.. better than any ad
@kevinbrown6430
@kevinbrown6430 Ай бұрын
Ok so I’m a ds user. I watched the video. What I see for a difference is. ( part mode) ( performance mode ). Favorites . So scenes = performance mode ? I didn’t see Banks /favorites. These are the things they removed from the Ds. Did I get this right ?
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 Ай бұрын
Favorites and related Banks still have dedicated buttons. Performance = Scene in all Zen-Core keyboards. The adjustable quantization in the phrase sequencer is gone. You are stuck with 8 parts per Scene max, and one is permanently your drumkit. Those are about the biggest drawbacks.
@cirisirpula152
@cirisirpula152 7 күн бұрын
Does this come with zenology pro, or do you need to buy it?
@loopop
@loopop 7 күн бұрын
It does not come with it
@cirisirpula152
@cirisirpula152 7 күн бұрын
@loopop thanks for the reply!
@mikemeengs5720
@mikemeengs5720 2 ай бұрын
Just curious, Loop...you must have quite a collection of new gear. Do you keep all of it, or do you pass it on?
@loopop
@loopop 2 ай бұрын
For now I'm keeping most of it for reference/firmware updates/MK2/3 comparisons etc; I sell/give old hardware after a new version has come out as I am running out of space
@obshaky
@obshaky 2 ай бұрын
@@loopop Im looking forward your studio tour becasue by now it should be like another house.
@klstay
@klstay 2 ай бұрын
Polyphony? Personally I would keep an eye out for a mint Juno X (or Jup Xm if preferred keybed already in place) for only a bit more if going the Roland path. Gigging on this kind of budget (or any budget really) is dictated by the sound sets you need to cover. So, I could see getting this (or that mint Juno X) or maybe a Kross instead of a Yamaha CK depending on that. For sound design or studio DAW work just get their cloud subscription paired with a better controller(s). Regardless, it is a lot of go juice for relatively little dosh.
@loopop
@loopop 2 ай бұрын
See description for a discussion of polyphony
@weerayuthartwichai4073
@weerayuthartwichai4073 2 ай бұрын
Im from Thailand I like This
@camilleotrakji
@camilleotrakji Ай бұрын
How is it at controlling a DAW? ... can it send at different MIDI channels simultaneously? can the sliders and knobs be assigned?
@loopop
@loopop Ай бұрын
It doesn't have a DAW integration to my knowledge; yes it sends MIDI on multiple channels and if I remember correctly the controls send CC, but don't hold me to it, best ask the company.
@ajapa7658
@ajapa7658 2 ай бұрын
Can the sequencer record /sequence automation of filters , ratchets, reverbs,etc??? How many lanes of such automation will it record?
@loopop
@loopop 2 ай бұрын
@@ajapa7658 4 lanes and yes (ratchets are in the steps separately so they won’t cost you a lane)
@veersinghbeniwal2048
@veersinghbeniwal2048 10 сағат бұрын
How perchase this keyboard
@marcbrasse747
@marcbrasse747 2 ай бұрын
80ties looks, although my ancient W30 still looks way more futuristic and sophisticated. Many 90ies flavoured sounds. The four layer architecture shows perfectly how Roland is basically selling you the same engine again and again. Realistic piano sounds? Careful layering. The “Analog engine” probably only offers some specially selected, longer looped synth samples. That’s also how earlier digital Roland’s got away with only providing 1 LFO. Typical samples from one of Rolands classics provides one with "special" emulations. This way a multitude of “engines” can be faked by simply varying user parameter access. Nothing wrong with it as such but in the end it is still a glorified ROMpler with a RAM section added to it. Will Roland ever surprise us again? Even the interesting counterstrike aiming at Behringer has dried up.
@triplebeam23
@triplebeam23 2 ай бұрын
Expensive vst controller... and youll never change my mind
@loopop
@loopop 2 ай бұрын
I just want to clarify that I specifically said this is the Zenology Pro VST in a box (with some differences, let's say 95%), so no one was trying to change your mind.
@mercurial71
@mercurial71 2 ай бұрын
Would be if the midi worked…
@triplebeam23
@triplebeam23 2 ай бұрын
@loopop lol it's all love loopop ... you can make anything sound amazing... and your run through s of synths have cost me more money then I care to announce ❣️
@Tripwelleverday
@Tripwelleverday 2 ай бұрын
Exactly right dude
@Tripwelleverday
@Tripwelleverday 2 ай бұрын
@triplebeam23 it’s just a raspberry pi in a keyboard wish loopop would crack them open and show what’s inside
@blakecasimir
@blakecasimir 2 ай бұрын
And yet another Roland product without aftertouch (on the D6 and D7 variants at least). 2024 and the egregious product segmentation penny pinching is more obvious than ever.
@mudi2000a
@mudi2000a 2 ай бұрын
I think there isn't any reason in 2024 for skimping on Aftertouch.
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 2 ай бұрын
@@mudi2000a but all ROMpler product lines do it, they want you buying the flagship 88-key model for that
@ummedgehlot929
@ummedgehlot929 2 ай бұрын
Master key. + - feature available in this keyboard?
@bitspacemusic
@bitspacemusic 2 ай бұрын
Which current Roland desktop box has all these drum kits?
@alpharum3141592
@alpharum3141592 Ай бұрын
One question: If possible, how could we use the metronom?
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 Ай бұрын
That's only available when you switch to the phrase sequencer mode.
@zenithjcoke
@zenithjcoke 2 ай бұрын
How does calling up these thousands of presets through MIDI CC program changes work? The MC-101 has an issue of not being able to access all of them that way, which makes it unusable in settings where you rely on program changes.
@berkut6313
@berkut6313 2 ай бұрын
An MC-707 with no clip launch and a keyboard attached to it PLUS a waayyyy better screen. Zen-Core is a really good engine, but suffers poor preset and pcm choices. luckily you can import your own !
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 2 ай бұрын
And less FX processing and routing capabilities than 707, less sample memory, no loopers, no sampling functions like 707, poorer sequencer, and the list goes on and on. Quite different devices for different situations and different people.
@tombasports
@tombasports 2 ай бұрын
To Roland’s credit they came out with the sh4d(owned it got rid of it wasn’t the best sounding)and now the Gaia 2. But this is their standard flare stuff not sure how this is better than the fantom O series though
@scott21113
@scott21113 2 ай бұрын
It's not supposed to be better. The Fantom 0 series is much more capable. 16 part scenes, more capable sequencer with Song mode, Tonewheel Organ engine, Scene remain audio, sampling (not just playback) for either audio pads or into patch tones, more outputs, more included Zencore expansions, battery powered. Works as a multitrack audio interface with the vendor driver, can use the Zencore models of the SH, JX, Juno, and Jupiter which the Juno D-series cannot. So - it's a spot downward in the product line.
@FirstLast-nr6gf
@FirstLast-nr6gf 2 ай бұрын
Another review of knobs and colorful buttons. Can this instrument be used to play music? How the keyboard feels? Is the key action different / similar to Juno DS / Fantom O / Yamaha CK61? Can this instrument be used with a DAW? Are Juno D sounds better / worse than Juno DS / Fantom O / Yamaha CK / etc. Was this review for musicians?
@loopop
@loopop 2 ай бұрын
1. If you bothered to watch the video, what I play in the intro and outro is music, and there are plenty of other videos not titled "review and tutorial" that play it further. Quick tip: read titles. 2. If you bothered to watch the video I discuss the action, how it feels and say it's the same as fantom 0 3. I can tell you if the sounds are better (same sounds as DS plus many more), but real musicians would use their ears and judge for themselves.
@FirstLast-nr6gf
@FirstLast-nr6gf 2 ай бұрын
@@loopop My bad. I see you mentioned the keybed quickly at 9:00. Some reviewers start their review from the key action because it is more important than color buttons for most players. It seems like the Juno D6/7 has longer keys than Juno DS, so it should be easier to play. Anyways I’ve found other reviews which compared Juno DS and Juno D and did a lot of playing.
@loopop
@loopop 2 ай бұрын
@@FirstLast-nr6gf I don’t know why you’re so obsessed with color buttons - where do I spend a lot of time on them?! Anyway, that’s why my reviews have a time stamp right there on the screen, so anyone can find what they want
@MLCFonon
@MLCFonon 2 ай бұрын
Can you shift scenes and thereby change sequence data with it on the fly - so to have patterns for live performance?
@loopop
@loopop 2 ай бұрын
No, at least not in the current firmware
@MLCFonon
@MLCFonon 2 ай бұрын
@@loopop Same problem with the FA-06 - which I actually loved - and the Fantom got less intuitive.
@SmallWorldBigThings
@SmallWorldBigThings 2 ай бұрын
Basically two MC-101s in one device with a keyboard. Nice!
@coolo73
@coolo73 2 ай бұрын
Imagine if the MC-101 had that screen and chord mode though.
@SmallWorldBigThings
@SmallWorldBigThings 2 ай бұрын
@@coolo73 It has chord mode. Bigger screen would be realy helpful.
@Tripwelleverday
@Tripwelleverday 2 ай бұрын
It’s sounds sooooo bad
@SmallWorldBigThings
@SmallWorldBigThings 2 ай бұрын
@@Tripwelleverday Maybe built in presets 🤷 I have third party patches on MC-101 which sound amazingly!
@coolo73
@coolo73 2 ай бұрын
@@SmallWorldBigThings The 101 doesn't have a chord mode like that though, which is more like the chord sets in Native Instruments stuff. Way more useful than what's currently in the MC-grooveboxes,
@handel1111
@handel1111 Ай бұрын
Is this a worthy to upgrade from Juno Ds?
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 Ай бұрын
For a stage performer? Highly unlikely, it depends on whether you want Roland Cloud integration or not.
@infn8loopmusic
@infn8loopmusic 2 ай бұрын
Great video! you answered all the questions! 🫡😁 I have the previous version and I think quantization could be turned on or off by some shift function, so that may be possible on this? In case it's helpful- for those of us that have the last version: they finally added step recording and a color screen. IO didn't change much Mic input is a trs combo jack now and other than that, Mixer sliders changed so they don't protrude as much now, that maybe positive or negative depending on your needs. still the same fiddly menus, still has a lot of the same limitations but some have gotten slightly better, and it still has the same FX and still sounds great and now with zencore. Lots to enjoy here, but I'm not sure it's enough of an upgrade for me to jump up, however... Because I frequently use my JDXI to step sequence my Juno, and I have always complained that there is no step sequencer on the older juno- I may have to get one just for the step sequencer, and if I did, I might even be able to retire my JDXI if it wasn't so endlessly portable. Thanks again for the fantastic video! Greatly appreciated!
@AdjustableSquelch
@AdjustableSquelch 2 ай бұрын
realtime control: looks like there is a full sysex implementation unlike the MC series. also it looks so close the the MC, should be easy enough to make the sample import/kit/sampled instrument generator i'm working on the MC work with it.
@RaulPocoyo
@RaulPocoyo Ай бұрын
I have the XPS 30 which has the same engine from Juno ds(the previous version of Juno D 2024) and believe me the Juno D 2024 has exactly the same features, same sound workflow and same capabilities, if you can buy a xps30 or Juno ds for the half of price, just do it
@grzankomuzykant
@grzankomuzykant 29 күн бұрын
Hello Sir Do You know how to change the range of Pitch on the Joystick .?
@loopop
@loopop 29 күн бұрын
I don't remember by heart but it's in the settings!
@grzankomuzykant
@grzankomuzykant 29 күн бұрын
@@loopop Thank You for Your answer. You are right it is in the Menu > Tone Edit > Common > Bend Range . THX
@Lenky-Don
@Lenky-Don 2 ай бұрын
The DS gave u the option to layer up to 16 sounds, why cut back on this?
@scott21113
@scott21113 2 ай бұрын
@@Lenky-Don As a gigging player I’ve never used more than 4-8 parts on my DS76 to play 80s cover tunes with key splits and layers. Id rather have seamless audio remain when changing performances on the DS76 or D but that’s a Fantom feature.
@Lenky-Don
@Lenky-Don 2 ай бұрын
@scott21113 yea, but what I'm saying is that they decided to make an upgrade and yet take away some important feature or options that the older model had, its like yamaha with their motif to montage, on the motif u can split the keyboard and change sounds while the split point remains where u placed it. On the montage, if u split the keyboard and change sounds, the split point is gone. So I'm not certain on the type of audience their targeting but it would be cool if this board had the 16 part feature....just saying.
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 2 ай бұрын
@@Lenky-Don I have to back up scott, there's no way anyone was actually using the 16 layers unless producing at home. That said, DS lacks per-part EQ and MFX while this 2024 Juno-D does not. This Juno-D is not without a few minor advantages. Juno-DS was a top seller despite its Rhythm Pattern section being a pointless afterthought, and here the Juno-D seems to have inherited the arranger-like Rhythm Pattern section from FA and other midrange keyboards. I'm sticking to my DS in any event. I don't care for Roland Cloud nonsense, and I have an MC-707 for Zen-core sounds already.
@JeffDuPonte
@JeffDuPonte 25 күн бұрын
When I set the sequencer for 32 it starts looping at 16. Anyone know why?
@Nicolas_J3869
@Nicolas_J3869 2 ай бұрын
Hi how big is expansion memory in this JUNO D ?
@diujay
@diujay 2 ай бұрын
@@Nicolas_J3869 same question
@loopop
@loopop 2 ай бұрын
Roland says up to two EXZ assuming you don't load user samples (it's shared memory)
@Nicolas_J3869
@Nicolas_J3869 2 ай бұрын
@@loopop Thank you very much for your answer. If only 2 banks completely fill the memory, this means that the latter would be around 64 MB. Knowing that on the Juno DS we could on one side load 1 bank and that on the other (with the V2 of the OS) we had access to precisely 60 MB for user samples, this means that we actually have more memory on the Juno DS than on its successor ! This is really miserable on Roland's part.
@yiimingkai-8795
@yiimingkai-8795 2 ай бұрын
May i know can this juno d8 do whatever that juno ds88 could do? Is this juno d8 better than juno ds88?
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 2 ай бұрын
yes and no, depends on what you want to do with the keyboard. They each have their advantages and disadvantages versus each other.
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