Roland RD-2000 V Piano Expansion!

[@abdielvelazquez773]

I really don’t see the $150 on this expanssion. As an RD2000 owner I think Roland should have give us this as a free update like Yamaha and Nord does everytime the came with a new sampler.

[@andrewbailey6382]

I totally agree, especially when you've purchased Roland's flagship stage piano. All other expansions were put on Axiel where you cound download for free. I still run a computer on windows 7, and had a membership to Roland cloud, when I purchased the flagship Fantom 8, but could never get connected, and certainly wouldn't renew. When I purchased the Fantom 8, it was advertised as Roland's flagship workstation, but now they've released the Fantom 0 series, the original Fantom 8 is a synthesizer. To be honest I feel let down by Roland, and would consider Nord in the future. I have 2 Roland stage pianos and the Fantom 8, and when you consider the cost of these flagship stage instruments, every expansion should be free. When Roland released the Fantom 0 series, I felt like I had be cheated out of my money. Roland shows no loyalty to its customers, regards Andy

[@Google_Was_My_Idea_nr.1]

True 👍🏾

[@danny.ray101]

Considering this is a minor upgrade for quite a price tag, I am extremely reluctant to go for it, either. If I was a laptop guy, I would rather use something like the Ravenscroft 275 ($99 on sale) for gigs, because that's a serious step up. And for home recording purposes, it's a definite waste of money anyways. Btw, for MODX and Montage there's a FREE Boesendorfer patch available. Might not be a modelled piano, but it doesn't sound considerably worse or better than this V-Piano expansion.

[@Jason75913]

​@@andrewbailey6382 what the hell are you even trying to say? Fantom 8 and Fantom-08 are both de facto subtractive synthesizers. Fantom-08 is a rehashed FA-08 with gimped sequencing but improved interface because of the increased controls and touchscreen. FA lacks Zen-Core while Fantom-08 is all about Zen-Core. Fantom-08 also lacks a lot of features that the Fantom 8 offers, it is heavily watered down. Let's try posting sober, buddy. If the cost of the V-piano expansion is too high, that's Roland's problem, just don't buy. No one even needs it, RD-2000 rocks on its own.

[@mylesanthony8672]

yes much agreed

[@RikMaxSpeed]

The Yamaha VL-1 had physical modelling pretty much sorted back in the early 90s for wind and bowed instruments. Lots of academics continued working on the problem of modelling pianos. PianoTeq launched their first implementation in 2007, and Roland launched the V-Piano in 2009. They all sound excellent, but actually lot goes into how the piano is “voiced”: ultimately you have to adjust the hammers and tune the individual strings of the simulated piano in the same way a expert would tune a real one.

[@shaunreich]

I love pianoteq but I've been looking for a variety of sounds like strings. Suggestions? Ideal if it supports Linux but I can probably run it through a wine pass through like I have with keyscape

[@AndersHellquist]

@@shaunreich I use both Pianoteq and various U-he soft synths for nice strings and stuff. All running in Linux natively. Been using that setup for several years, both live and in studio. Check out U-he Zebra for great sounds and layer them to Pianoteq

[@tomblaze2]

I have switched over to Roland keyboards for live playing - jam band/blues/Americana - sounds amazing- has great organic sounds I can use in a live setting

[@strongchord4384]

“Been out for a few years now”. Understatement of the week.

[@kevroyo]

Man I want one of those Roland hoodies so bad.

[@HenryNewbury]

Ngl this sounds potentially like the best piano sound I've ever heard.. Even the most expensive sample libraries like VSL have noise buildup when you get to higher polyphony counts, and fairly limited flexibility based on the rooms they were sampled in etc. As much as I'd love to love Pianoteq it always sounds a bit weeeird and thin 🤷‍♀ Roland could do us all an absolute solid and make this available as updates for older boards too - imagine all the perfectly great hardware of slightly older models like the RD800 finally paired with actually great piano sounds, with potentially less e-waste as a result too! 💪

[@yoni23able]

I love physically modelled pianos and use Pianoteq. I'm sure this Roland has a similar feel. Like Jack says, you can feel the difference in your fingers. It does seem real and responsive, like an acoustic. I've also got a Kawai console piano with amazing speakers, but the two have never really meshed. Now if there was a wonderful piano with Pianoteq inside, that would be the dream.

[@derekfernandez7701]

8:02 I love the little "What a Fool Believes" thrown in there Jack! hahaha 😍

[@viniciusataidedealbuquerqu2837]

love this song.rita lee in brazil made one song really close to this one called lanca perfume

[@derekfernandez7701]

@@viniciusataidedealbuquerqu2837 Oh cheers for that! This is a great song! 😍

[@69barrymanilow69]

Thumbs up 👍👍👍

[@jimvoos1820]

I am a piano hack, but I have had a Roland Stage Piano, and it takes me back to my childhood playing classical on Grand Pianos. It is a bit pricey, but it is really an heirloom instrument I'll be happy to pass down.

[@manoaramiarimanana5635]

My keyboard. The new expansion V piano is awesome.

[@LudvigOlin]

Couldn't agree more. It has made me start using the RD-2K again.

[@johnclay661]

@@LudvigOlin- Same here! It has given the RD-2000 some new life, I’m loving it! This German Concert V Piano is the piano we’ve been longing for from Roland. Relevant, competitive and inspiring!

[@briantrout7051]

Loved this video guys, but really wanted to hear more playing, putting it through its paces!! I love Roland keyboards but have always found the piano sounds a little lacking. The V-Piano Expansion has me almost ready to pull the trigger. Seriously, I like what I hear in this video. Thanks for sharing. So far, this is nearly the only video I've found on the V-Piano Expansion.

[@biggiesmalls7939]

Well, did you end up getting a Roland keyboard?

[@wichischannel2910]

this roland guy saved for the last sec the most important part of the video...

[@vipodcasting]

You can never compare apples with apple here. I.e. a traditional piano will always sound better than a modelled one in a digital context. And truthfully, you simply can’t give the end user the ability to tune all notes in the way we piano tuners do with traditional pianos. My position here is confirmed by the fact that non of the notes here have 3 strings per note to tune in the mid and treble sections; 2 strings per note in the upper and mid bass and single notes in the lower base. Piano tuners train for at least three years to learn the uniquenesses of individual acoustic pianos and it is true to say that we learn what is going to work best for each piano we see. Conversely, these instruments are fantastic for their versatility, portability and over all features but, it is a bit misleading to market these pianos as being anything akin to a traditional piano. They are just different beasts is all. :) x

[@jacobbrown1690]

Get over it i have a real steinway and this also. Its close enough when you tune it right.

[@vipodcasting]

@@jacobbrown1690 Yeah, of course it is. You shouldn’t have a Steinway if you can’t tell the difference between the two. I was at least fair. Never mind. :)

[@Nismology5]

Actually, the V-Piano engine does in fact have triple-string tuning across the whole range. I have the original V-Piano and it's fantastic, even today. The software in the RD-2000 is an incremental upgrade on this, with basically the same editing parameters as the original. It gives you control of not only tuning per note, but tuning per string per note, as well as string thickness, the hardness of the hammer felt and a myriad of other things. I for one welcome giving the 'end user' as much control as possible.

[@wrmusic8736]

"Roland's best" isn't a marketing bulletpoint nowadays.

[@d.dawson8545]

Man, I just bought it and is absolutely worth it, very close to keyscape indeed. Maybe I'll make a video showing how it sound because I've been looking and there is not many videos around here. Let me know if you are interested in a DEMO of it.

[@ukeharley]

If you please! Good idea

[@standominguez8172]

I'd like to hear your demo.

[@TopWorldPiano]

Definitely interested!

[@jeffreyreid6981]

They show people the v piano ,but they don’t show how to install it or where to go to buy it there’s no videos on how to install it where to get it from

[@blackmambafan24]

I do hope this comes out for the Fantom 8 and 08 as well.

[@Jason75913]

Fantom-08 doesn't have the CPU power of the bigger Fantom by far, so don't get your hopes up. I would not know how RD-2000 compares in CPU power.

[@AnonKeys]

looks like it did for the Fantom 🙂

[@keneokpareke1753]

Will this come to the Fantom?

[@squoblat]

Could they not have made it a bit bigger?

[@ChinqMiau1]

😂

[@matzer8846]

Puh ... modelling has become so great ... love the idea of having a Jazz or Blues group on stage sporting a real "German" piano sound in a small club ... and your company just goes: "where the heck did they hide the Steinway /Schimmel"?

[@vipodcasting]

Oh gosh I don’t think so. At least compare really cheap acoustics with this digital. As a piano tuner myself, I’d always go for a Yamaha or Nord if I could afford the latter. :)

[@matzer8846]

@@vipodcasting Understood ... you are "coming from the opposite direction" ... real Pianos are "in your ear" every day ... I'm just a hobbyist in a small flat - no piano - and i can be cheated easier

[@vipodcasting]

@@matzer8846 absolutely right. As I said it is horses for courses and I can completely understand why this piano is also popular. I have a great Yamaha keyboard myself. It does so many things that traditional Pianos can’t do and of course is portable. :-) Respect to you.

[@dvamateur]

Is this V-Piano expansion planned to be released for the Fantom?

[@ATLS702]

Sadly, no :(

[@MaybeAnnatar]

As answered in the video, no.

[@dvamateur]

@@MaybeAnnatar I am not complainig. It means there's a justification to get both the Fantom and the RD-2000. :) And the Jupiter-X and Juno-X, too. Hey, as long as it's Roland. :)

[@sawssman965]

Yikes

[@JayRob214]

I am going to sound crazy but I would love it if the new models of Roland placed all the MKS-20 sounds in their keyboards considering the actual MKS-20 module is discontinued unless they developed a smaller, more compact module for travel. As much as I like plugins, there’s nothing like have it right in the hardware.

[@silverlight2004db]

im pretty sure they all do.

[@davidkordzgeorge2528]

The MKS 20 sounds are in the RD2000 they are labelled as RD1000. I have this board at church and love it that those sounds are in there.

[@JayRob214]

@@davidkordzgeorge2528 are the sounds all in the patch group?

[@davidkordzgeorge2528]

Yeah under E Piano click modern and they are all there.

[@ajcjcarvalho]

I prefer sampled pianos but I have to admit, V-piano is awesome!

[@JonMurray]

Great video guys! Got a real understanding for what it was about. I can play moonlight sonata if you’ll pay my bus down from Aberdeen?? Hahaha!

[@andrewbailey6382]

Where do you actually get the update from, Andy says you can get it from you, but I looked and cant find it. Did he mean Roland Cloud, only I had a membership, and could never get connected, as the system kept crashing.

[@jeremymoyse]

Made me think how we missed something for years and came back to it - the Kurzweil K250 was probably the first workable 'real' piano sound and although it was based on samples, a lot of how it works was 'modelling' using AI from Ray Kurzweil' other businesses. I was so impressed with the level of attention to detail in this sound... right up until we got to "unlimited polyphony" for a piano sound and some people wil be impressed. LOL ...That's not how a real piano works (88 but possibly changes slightly rather than new note on re-strike when undamped???). - Although I do get the value for layering etc. Amazing sound though and looking forward to where this goes..

[@JayTheLane]

This expansion should be free for a Stage Piano that costs over 2k.

[@TopWorldPiano]

I AGREE!!!

[@katiej5051]

How does this compare to the Yamaha dgx 670? Thank u!

[@musicdoc007]

How do I get the knobs on this thing to work in Cubase? Midi is good, but learn cc function doesn't work. Even in Assign more. Are knob movements not transmitting cc messages externally?

[@user-ly2sq1sv7t]

I got the Expansion today by download on Roland Cloud Manager. But there is no Installation guide to bring it on the RD-2000. Is it the same way like installing expansion boards with an .bin file? Now its an .exz file. Can anyone help me out?

[@cremersalex]

Are the RD-1000 simulations just as good as in the RD-1000/MKS-20?

[@michaeldumas4907]

can you add chorus to the acoustic pianos?....is it on top of the board?...thanks

[@syanhc]

I want this….I don’t have a keyboard … I lost it during Covid…..retired concert pianist….😢

[@chexnfx7161]

You had to sell to cover bills? 😢

[@syanhc]

@@chexnfx7161 I lost my home, studio business, fiancee and all my possessions. And my career stopped. I was living on the streets. Came home and suffered depression and anxiety.

[@jimlutz1290]

"To Go Where No Stage Piano Has Gone Before". . Que the Music - someone push the Starship Enterprise across the screen on the fishing line wire - Go on it will look. real just like ILM ! : )

[@tomgobledrums]

are we getting a review of the kurzweil sp7 grand? :))

[@brunohmd1]

Não sabia que o jogador Felipe Luis tocava piano 🤣🤣

[@Ajaykumarr89]

intro music name please ?

[@zzush]

BINOD

[@mayiask654]

So how this compare to the Pure Modelling piano sounds in eg. the FP-90X?

[@Jason75913]

FP-90X kills the RDs at piano

[@matthiaswilhelm9813]

Ich kannte vor vielen Jahren einen netten Herrn Marx in 🎹🇩🇪🎸das ist lange her❤❤❤😂matthias

[@cooltrades7469]

Absolutely great ...almost like a Nord . Maybe in several years they will get there ;))))

[@PianoandKeysStudio]

13:30 I'm within half an hours drive from Guidford... atm in Ickenham, but will be moving to around the High Wycombe area. Anyway - thanks for this great in depth review.

[@Bashanvibe]

I wonder what it would look like if the flag ship Fantom is going to adopt this upgrade

[@paulmapp8306]

it MIGHT down the line. Of course its gone to the rD first being a dedicated stahge piano - but wouldnt be surprised if it didnt com eto Fantom in a year or so.

[@jacobbrown1690]

The new Fantom doesn’t have supernatural. The jupiter 80 and this board do

[@paulmapp8306]

@jacob brown fantom DOES have dome supernatural. It has sn pianos, Eps, some strings, harps and some brass. Not as comprehensive as the Jupiter 80, but fantom does have supernatural.

[@paulmapp8306]

Roland has said it's not going to be available for fantom for the foreseeable future but haven't rules it out down the line. 12 to 18 months is likely if it becomes available at all.

[@DaraM73]

Why can’t Roland issue two hardware versions of the RD-2000? One for Country/pop and one for Latin salsa, just like Korg does? It’s the future past.

[@Dadee3]

*You cant be serious. What about a 3rd hardware version for Gospel while they're at it, heh?? 😂 😂 😂*

[@RayyMusik]

I want a separate RD-2000 for modal jazz … not. Really, this would be like having several computers because one uses different browsers.

[@DaraM73]

@@Dadee3 no, not serious 😂…but go look at Korg’s latest YT videos. 🤣

[@Dadee3]

@@DaraM73 *If Korg really did that then they must be desperate.*

[@LudvigOlin]

@@DaraM73 For an Arranger keyboard that actually makes sense. And Roland is doing that as well. Some products have content tailored for different markets. Personally, I can't see why that would be a need for the RD-series. I could fit all those needs with ease at the same time, and I wouldn't want to choose..

[@tadl.4196]

Too much talking, too little playing

[@RybergNikolai]

Native instruments and even keyscape have this 6 years ago but I’m so glad that mainstream workstations are catching up.

[@EulogyfortheAngels]

Neither are physical-modeled?

[@Jason75913]

​@@EulogyfortheAngels ya

[@ChrisP3000x]

$150 😆

[@fleetadmiralsidiqi1941]

It's a joke. I don't buy Roland products anymore after having to buy Pianoteq after getting the rd-2000 and dealing with those bad sounds on a $3k keyboard.

[@silverbirch9502]

I had an RD2000 which has brilliant piano sounds. Sadly, the additional sounds are not so good. Finally switched it for a Nautilus 88, pianos not as good (Italian piano is great) but everything else is an improvement.

[@jazzzman1000]

You must have a different instrument than mine. The sounds are awesome, especially when you combine and layer. I play in a Cover band and a Smooth Jazz band

[@silverbirch9502]

@@jazzzman1000 I'm really pleased your so happy with your RD2000.

[@Jason75913]

Nautilus kills RD-2000 at piano sounds wtf, son RD-2000 is so lo-fi and plasticky next to the best pianos on the Nautilus/Kronos/Grandstage. Which is a bit odd when the RD is a dedicated stage piano and the Korgs are all workstations, then Grandstage is a standalone piano dedicated to the hi-fi pianos of the Kronos.

[@JYelton]

I would vastly prefer no background music when they're just talking about changes/features. It's... weird.

[@brmh1667]

First time I've seen that problem from Andertons. It isn't overly impressive!

[@HelinduNethmal]

all thats now missing in this keyboard is a bigger screen

[@jordanm2984]

Oh god no, I prefer minimal (or no) screens on my instruments. There are way too many screens in modern life already.

[@parkmedia]

@@jordanm2984 So you like digging menus much longer than on a big screen. Good for you. Roland please make bigger screens, and I buy Jordan a roll of tape to hide the screen 🤭

[@valuemastery]

Not only bigger, but also better quality. The screen on the RD-2000 is low contrast and very dependent on the angle you look at it. Never understood why they use such cheap screens on a flagship product.

[@jonos138]

First off, this sounds far superior to pianoteq. Pianoteq sounds artificial wooly sounding pianos. Not up to recording standard. If you have a good ear for piano tone then pianoteq doesnt cut it. The RD 2000 german grand sounds a great update. The bummer is they are stinging owners to buy it. Nord offer all their downloadable pianos for FREE! Rolands greed will just put customers off. Imagine you're just buying the RD2000, then have to pay extra (£150+) for a piano update. Remember this keyboard is 7+ years old and will start to show its age on piano sounds, hence this update. But if Roland are going to keep updating and stinging customers to buy them, people will move away from their products. Come on Roland, show a bit of loyalty love for your customers.

[@valuemastery]

Serious question: What's the point of "unlimited polyphony", and not being limited to 256 notes, when there are only 88 keys? I mean, on a piano, when I retrigger the same note it's playing on the same string, right? You can't play the same note twice at the same time. Is this just stupid marketing mumbo jumbo? Not to say anything against these instruments. I have both the RD-2000 and the Fantom, and they're great.

[@dynoroad]

"You can't play the same note twice at the same time" you can actually do that if you sustain the notes with the damper pedal. Every subsequent key press will send its own data to the sound engine which will eat up processing power i.e. polyphony. I do think however that 256 notes of polyphony should be enough for the vast majority of applications.

[@silverlight2004db]

@@dynoroad if you are only playing one sound then 256 notes is enough but if you are playing several sounds layered then it can become an issue

[@dynoroad]

@@silverlight2004db True! A five layer patch would eat up even 256 notes quite fast.

[@valuemastery]

@@dynoroad But when I sustain a note, and retrigger it, the hammer goes down on the same string? So it's not two notes playing now at the same time. The previous tone, even if sustained, gets replaced by the new one the instant the hammer strucks the string. Or maybe I misunderstand the physics here. Does the previous note still play on the same string?

[@dynoroad]

@@valuemastery On an acoustic, if the string isn't damped, each hammer strike will keep adding energy into the vibrating string. "The previous tone, even if sustained, gets replaced by the new one the instant the hammer strucks the string" this is just not true.

[@rs232killer]

"Famous brand of piano that's from Germany" Lol... Can you narrow that down?

[@Fastguy335i]

Steingraeber & Söhne of course! ;)

[@dynoroad]

Guess they're not allowed to say Steinway... *I know there are a myriad of german manufacturers, but the truth is that they're pretty much unknown if you speak to a non pianist.

[@rs232killer]

@@dynoroad I think Bechstein and Bluthner are pretty well known. I don't think this video is targeting anyone who wouldn't have heard of at least those two as well. Also, if talking non-musicians in the USA, many seem to think Steinways only come from New York these days if they have a guess at all.

[@dynoroad]

​@@rs232killer Still, whenever a manufacturer references "German concert grand" they mean Steinway, unless they specify a certain area in Germany, Leipzig, Berlin, etc. This Roland expansion is a Hamburg Steinway, there's not question about that.

[@jacobbrown1690]

Its a steinway

[@Nemobread]

I own one of these, BUY A KRONOS

[@Jason75913]

Kronos is too glorious for these people. 😝

[@worldsstongeststrains983]

Although I love Roland, they have yet to produce a proper piano sound in the last 40 years. I use my Roland for everything except piano… For that I use a Casio Privia.

[@Kontrabass66]

I had it and I hate it, sounds no way like a piano...end of the stoy

[@thomjohn98]

The Kawai MP7 had a piano tech in it also, so Roland's V Piano is nothing special in my book.........

[@michealmich545]

Too much talking

[@shvrdavid]

No offense, but is Roland going to go the route of this and future expansions costing money now?

[@Jason75913]

Up to a point. There are a handful of free expansions available for Zen-Core gear like RD-88 and FP-E50, but they are mostly old lo-fi sounds.

[@FlatTire]

Could have smaller screen… It’s 2023 Roland