Roland Virtual Sound Canvas (And Visual MT) - The best MIDI Software

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@menhirmike
@menhirmike Жыл бұрын
I like how they had to update the box twice with stickers for the additional OS versions.
@BilisNegra
@BilisNegra Жыл бұрын
Yep. Still, honestly, it should say "It still works on XP... mostly/with some quirks". Maybe the "for more details (visit webpage)" part addressed that?
@TheCyberDruid
@TheCyberDruid Жыл бұрын
Final Fantasy VII came with a Yamaha Software Synth and we owned a Soundblaster AWE 32 at the time. The difference was mind blowing.
@wraithcadmus
@wraithcadmus Жыл бұрын
I remember how much it tanked my already low framerate.
@coctailrob
@coctailrob Жыл бұрын
My very first PC came with this, it sounded amazing but it really took a hit on the P166mmx CPU.
@vladv5126
@vladv5126 Жыл бұрын
Final Fantasy VII on PC? Woof.
@K-o-R
@K-o-R Жыл бұрын
@@wraithcadmus For me, trying to run (originally) on a P120, the frame rate (even in software mode) actually wasn't ever really bad... it just took forever once a battle was triggered to actually transition into the battle. Having a Voodoo3 did make it look really nice though.
@ivanmastrandrea5482
@ivanmastrandrea5482 Жыл бұрын
Yes! The yamaha XG Midi thing I believe, It sounded awesome for FF7
@yellows111
@yellows111 Жыл бұрын
The VSC's "Secure Memory" feature is probably what would be causing the bugchecks you were getting with playback before. Having it set to "Always allocate" usually keeps it more stable (If I remember correctly), as constantly trying to write memory from the kernel is... a bad idea in general. I've got to say, I was not expecting VSC to be archived in a proper way. I've been exposed to this software before but only on software collections on some CDs or long-dead FTP directories. Thanks for being cool with the archiving.
@dakrk
@dakrk Жыл бұрын
new 8081 program to be installed just dropped
@ManLikeKitch
@ManLikeKitch Жыл бұрын
The fact that I was able to tell both the true SC-88 and SC-55 mapping is both worrying, concerning and impressive. I have spent too much time with MIDI and GMIDI. Thank you for perserving this gem from the past.
@BlobVanDam
@BlobVanDam Жыл бұрын
I used to use Roland VCS for all of my composing back in the Win XP days and it was so much clearer than the standard Windows MIDI. Had a lot of great extra sounds too. I was sad I couldn't install it in later versions of Windows, and never found a good soundfont equivalent.
@zxbryc
@zxbryc 3 ай бұрын
funnily enough, I found the opposite to be true in more recent times. FL Studio (and perhaps other modern MIDI sequencers) has a method for directly using the default GM.DLS soundbank, and applies 'proper' resampling so it's less noisy. The VST version of VCS (which uses the same engine as VSC3 driver) has a worse resampler. The actual raw soundbank quality is very similar. The real difference is the resampling and the effects (reverb/chorus/echo used to make the difference). No clue if it had extra sounds though, didn't seem to be significant.
@AstAMoore
@AstAMoore Жыл бұрын
Ah, this brings back memories! A Power Mac 8500, MacOS 9.0.4, Logic Platinum 4.8, and Roland VSC. It all integrated beautifully and I had that setup for quite a few years.
@GYTCommnts
@GYTCommnts Жыл бұрын
Ahh, all that MIDI wonders that were absolutely out of my reach back then. Love to see more of this! Thanks for preserving!
@neverhart19741
@neverhart19741 Жыл бұрын
Edirol was Roland’s desktop media arm, I think they tried to sell music and video hardware to schools. That first demo sounds like Eric Persing (Spectrasonics) who did a lot of demo stuff for Roland back in the 90s.
@felineki
@felineki Жыл бұрын
I had Virtual Sound Canvas back in the day! I became an avid internet user back in the 90s when MIDIs were a big thing, and they helped cultivate my interest in electronic music production. So when I found out about Roland releasing this software product that would let your computer play back MIDIs in a way that sounded like some of their dedicated music hardware, I was thrilled.
@kosmosyche
@kosmosyche Жыл бұрын
Seems like this was a precursor to Roland Sound Canvas VA, a software synthesizer and VSTi plugin Roland made several years ago. I use it with my DOSBox all the time and it's so good with old DOS games, it completely eliminates the need to buy the real Sound Canvas module, since it emulates it near perfectly.
@jondough76
@jondough76 Жыл бұрын
It is good to know that the virtual SC can be a viable alternative for people like me who do not own the actual hardware.
@lordhostile
@lordhostile Жыл бұрын
man, I miss old sound cards/devices...I remember getting my AWE32 and being amazed at how nice midi sounded.
@squeeeb
@squeeeb Жыл бұрын
I miss it too!
@JoshOsRocks
@JoshOsRocks Жыл бұрын
Thanks for archiving the VSC, perfect for anyone with a Windows 98 or XP machine.
@victornoagbodji
@victornoagbodji Жыл бұрын
I miss how cool all of this was back then! Thanks for sharing 😊🙏
@retroandgaming
@retroandgaming Жыл бұрын
The sample "Cool Sweet" at 13:58 - Sounds soo Transport Tycoon ish!
@AIM9XSW
@AIM9XSW Жыл бұрын
Amazing find! I've been using SoundBlaster Live hardware on my retro machines that don't have ISA slots. After searching around for the perfect "SC-55 like" soundfont, which does not exist, you found what may be the holy grail of SC-55 emulation. Thank you so much for this video, and for archiving this!
@AttilaSVK
@AttilaSVK Жыл бұрын
For DB50XG emulation there's the S-YXG50 software, which can be also run in the background, like VSC.
@duraker1
@duraker1 Жыл бұрын
there's also s-yxg100 for win95/98 if you want an upgrade
@Saturn2888
@Saturn2888 Жыл бұрын
I pirated the Virtual Sound Canvas in the early 2000s because I liked the sounds when composing and arranging sheet music. I was in high school, but it's so cool to see this again. I removed it from my PC when I stopped pirating years ago, but I have great memories of it!
@timkoehler3669
@timkoehler3669 Жыл бұрын
I remember having the SoundBlaster AWE32, which actually had memory slots (RAM). You could load "Soundfonts" into this memory, in order for the Soundcard to use Wavetable Synthesis (modifying a recorded sound sample) for Midi instead of relying on FM-Synthesis (trying to generate a sound out of nothing). The larger SoundFont Files you had (and loaded), the better the output sound was. I think at the end I had 2x8 MB Modules installes in my Soundcard and loaded the corresponding Soundfonts. The Midi Sounds, were just beyond any other Soundcard at that time. It might be worth looking into that extraordinary card :)
@timkoehler3669
@timkoehler3669 Жыл бұрын
Ohh BTW, later Soundblasters with PCI supported to use the system memory to even load larger sound fonts, it's kind of interesting to hear the sound quality difference between the SoundFont files.
@colinstu
@colinstu Жыл бұрын
I love how they recreated the page turning
@MegaBadgeman
@MegaBadgeman Жыл бұрын
Similar VSC is included with Cakewalk Music Creator 2003 which in turn was included with the Edirol Hyper Canvas.
@DerekLippold
@DerekLippold 6 ай бұрын
Yes! Omg I forgot all about Cakewalk
@T3hBeowulf
@T3hBeowulf Жыл бұрын
This is brilliant! I've been looking for a version of the Roland Virtual Sound Canvas that didn't require a cloud subscription to maintain for ages. Ironically, I ended up buying a Dreamblaster X2GS wavetable daughterboard which uses genuine licensed SC-55 samples to scratch the Roland itch. I completely concur with Descent being one of my go-to MIDI game as well. I also like to test with Warcraft II for GM. Growing up, I had a Yamaha SW60XG card to play these games and I'm so glad I kept that card. Thank you for archiving this and doing a deep dive into the virtual sound canvas. This helps complete the set getting proper Roland SC-55 support virtually. Cheers!
@DankRedditMemes
@DankRedditMemes Жыл бұрын
For something more modern, you cough, ahem, 'acquire' SoundCanvas VA
@Nukle0n
@Nukle0n Жыл бұрын
Warcraft II has MIDI music? I thought it was Redbook audio.
@T3hBeowulf
@T3hBeowulf Жыл бұрын
@@Nukle0n Yes. The Redbook audio on the CDs is a recording of the compositions from the composer's Roland SC-55 Mk. II (or so the story goes...) It's a rare case where you can snag the MIDI files from the game and directly compare with a synth of your choice and the music as the composer intended from the CD.
@T3hBeowulf
@T3hBeowulf Жыл бұрын
@@DankRedditMemes That's been the fun part... finding a version of Sound Canvas VA that didn't need an active Roland Cloud subscription. Admittedly, I never finished doing an "exhaustive search" once I found a different hardware solution.
@lupinzar
@lupinzar Жыл бұрын
I've done the comparison with a real SC-55 Mk. II and I think the CD audio just has some minor adjustments or post-processing. It's really close and I was super giddy when I first got it playing through the device. Also cool to see what the soundtrack was like on a Yamaha MU-80.
@BurleyBoar
@BurleyBoar Жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you for sharing! I'm amazed at the chill of your cat sleeping in front of the speakers as Duke music to blaring away!
@cleanycloth
@cleanycloth Жыл бұрын
16:30 I have a MIDI for the opening theme of Sensible Golf. On every computer I’ve played it on, it plays fine. Except for one, my Toshiba Satellite Pro 4600, and **only** on Windows 2000. It immediately blue screens when playing it through its Yamaha AC-XG chipset. On XP and 98SE though, it’s fine!
@ivanmastrandrea5482
@ivanmastrandrea5482 Жыл бұрын
I am downloading this right now to installing in my Windows 98 Retro PCs, thank you for archiving it.
@synchro505
@synchro505 Жыл бұрын
This is so awesome. I used to have a Roland Sound Canvas SC-55 back in the day. The default piano sound was really good (which prompted me to get it) back when it was introduced. Not bad for a lower priced sound module. The synth, bass and drum sounds were very good for putting ideas together. There was a game I had that featured mecha robot warriors from Japan and it was compatible with GM so it played the soundtrack like a dream. Good times.
@no1unorightnow
@no1unorightnow Жыл бұрын
As somewhat of a pianist, I can totally see how the Music Tutor could be helpful. Once you *do* know how to play piano, and just need a little boost, a little help, along the continual learning process, especially for certain pieces - this seems to fit that niche nicely - like a precursor to Synthesia and similar.
@thejdmguru621
@thejdmguru621 Жыл бұрын
Space Quest III and IV have my favourite game sound tracks when paired with a Roland MT-32
@cubeflinger
@cubeflinger 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for this. Stumbled on a retro pc on fb and immediately aearched KZbin when I noticed roland support in audio outputs and spent the evening enjoying dos game music much in the same way.
@CptJistuce
@CptJistuce Жыл бұрын
I love the "stack of components" design that was so common in media programs back then.
@sn1000k
@sn1000k Жыл бұрын
Killer video Shelby. Would have liked to se more hands-on exploration of different sounds, but I respect your perspective as more of a gamer more than a musician. Or am I assuming wrongly?
@TemporaryTemporary-y2j
@TemporaryTemporary-y2j Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the video. I love experimenting with different software synths on different systems. For Windows 10, I use CoolSoft VirtualMIDISynth for MIDI. On a virtual Windows 3.11 system, I use WinGroove and for a virtual Windows 98 system; Yamaha XG Soft Synth. I was stuck with the default (and rather lame) Windows Roland GS Soft synth for Windows XP until I stumbled across your video. Now MIDI sounds so much better on that system with the Roland Virtual Sound Canvas, which can add reverb and chorus to midi tracks.
@wizard-pirate
@wizard-pirate Жыл бұрын
So glad we got to see your sweet kitty cat again. I missed your cat.
@xXBeefyDjXx
@xXBeefyDjXx Жыл бұрын
Duuuuuude! This is one awesome find! One things for sure, you've just changed how I game on my retro PCs! I used to use the MT32 emulator but it was a little cumbersome. Weird how VisualMT works. I'd have assumed the same thing...
@jcxtra
@jcxtra Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for archiving this software and doing a video on it! Much appreciated
@phipli
@phipli Жыл бұрын
My cat also likes to sit next to my keyboard, sometimes on top of my mouse, and demand fuss-tax. Makes playing a particular mouse dexterity marble exploring game extremely difficult. My cat loves when I use retro computers on the table at the window more than when I use my modern laptop. He hasn't worked out that CRTs are warm yet.
@FloatingFatMan
@FloatingFatMan Жыл бұрын
It's a damn shame that MIDI is virtually forgotten now for video games. Sure, "real" music sounds better, but you just can't beat that distinctive MIDI sound for some things. Hell, Microsoft have removed almost all the MIDI features from Windows these days beyond basic playback, but thankfully we still have software like VirtualMIDISyth to give us control back... Plus selectable soundfounts!
@fordesponja
@fordesponja Жыл бұрын
Is not really forgotten, recently the MIDI 2.0 specification was finalized.
@TorutheRedFox
@TorutheRedFox Жыл бұрын
@@fordesponja for video games MIDI is still widely used with instruments as it's _the_ standard for communication between an instrument and either another instrument or a computer
@WSS_the_OG
@WSS_the_OG Жыл бұрын
Oh my. I'd love something like this for Windows 10 (and up)! Fantastic! This brings back such fond memories of playing Descent and Duke 3D, but with a Yamaha TG-300 instead of a Roland Sound Canvas. Good times!
@deeiks12
@deeiks12 Жыл бұрын
That demo song "cool" brought back so many Transport Tycoon memories.
@thefellowv4115
@thefellowv4115 Жыл бұрын
Worth noting that nowadays there's an option of Sound Canvas VA, which if you don't mind price tag and a few more steps when setting it up, should be a lot closer to real thing, at least for newer PCs or if you have a spare pc for usage as MIDI device. A bit of a shame you didn't mention it in the video.
@enigma776
@enigma776 Жыл бұрын
I use the SC VST for all my midi needs now, works a treat.
@ota1998
@ota1998 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your review and the archive.
@chrisfratz
@chrisfratz Жыл бұрын
I've been itching to get the Roland sound on my modern PC in software and I can't afford the modern VST plug-in you can get that emulates the SC55 so I think I'm going to get virtual sound canvas a try.
@chrisfratz
@chrisfratz Жыл бұрын
And I sadly couldn't get it to work
@dreamy2339
@dreamy2339 Жыл бұрын
UHHH THE VIRTUAL SOUND CANVAS IS SO PRETTY AND SOUNDSSS SOOOO GOOOOOD, amazing!,
@edg2919
@edg2919 Жыл бұрын
Nice find! I'll have to check out the archive, thanks!
@Aquatarkus96
@Aquatarkus96 Жыл бұрын
Man, GS MIDI is such a vibe. Hey, I am currently using those same Creative speakers in a funky bi amped setup! I use them for the highs/ high mids, and some big RCA bookshelf speakers for the mids and lows. The piano lessons didnt seem too complicated, 6/8 was the 3rd time signature I learned as a kid iirc. Edirol Orchestral was neat. It was sorta like Sound Canvas but focused specifically on more realistic, natural sounding orchestral sounds. I actually still have a copy of Edirol Orchestral on my PC.
@muppetpaster
@muppetpaster Жыл бұрын
I had so much fun with Midi as a teenager/twen in the eighties/nineties, Roland, Voyetra soft and hardware....
@roycemurgatroyd7963
@roycemurgatroyd7963 Жыл бұрын
That Roland organ is a beauty
@ajslim79
@ajslim79 Жыл бұрын
Bluescreen running XP? You definitively need Me on that machine :D
@estoulsmidistudio
@estoulsmidistudio Жыл бұрын
Have you seen Roland's Vima Tunes Player program? It's basically Virtual Sound Canvas, but in a form of a karaoke machine. Although VTP has some flaws and missing features that VSC previously had, it's an OK MIDI player so I kinda recommend to check it out since the program works on modern Windows OS(s). Along with Vima Tunes Player, there's also a SMF/MIDI to WAV converter program made by Roland which also uses VSC sounds.
@mii9010
@mii9010 24 күн бұрын
I just tried out the VIma Tunes Player and it's seems to work well! But I've noticed it's got crackling of all things, is there a fix for this? Also do you know what the SMF/MIDI converter program is called?
@nickwallette6201
@nickwallette6201 Жыл бұрын
Well that solves a mystery I've been hanging onto for a while. I have seen those serial MIDI inputs since the 90s, and never once ran across anything that plugged into them, or even any software that I was aware of that supported them.
@K-o-R
@K-o-R Жыл бұрын
Your adorable cat clearly doesn't mind MIDI music right next to its head.
@madden8021
@madden8021 Жыл бұрын
I still have the Virtual Sound Canvas in my Virtual Machines to this day. I haven't been making videos from it from burn out after years of history on my Channel.
@kunai1362
@kunai1362 Жыл бұрын
Just found your channel now? Never too late I guess.
@mikosoft
@mikosoft Жыл бұрын
Two words: Yamaha XG. The peak of computer MIDI standards, nothing can touch it. There were software version of their flagship sound cards with XG midi, S-YXG50 and 100, the latter almost on par with SW1000XG hardware. No, I didn't watch the video yet but I do know Roland MT and I stand by my comment :D
@bad.sector
@bad.sector Жыл бұрын
The blue screen points to a RAM problem. It's possible that VSC was using a part of the RAM that was defective. Another explanation could be that VSC is accessing memory it shouldn't - keep in mind that W9x wasn't as sophisticated as XP is when it comes to terms of memory protection.
@MichaelSidneyTimpson
@MichaelSidneyTimpson Жыл бұрын
The hardware Soundcavas was one of my main midi playback modules for composing in the 1990s. I then also used Virtual Sound Canvas for playback in the 2000s. Not great for acoustic instruments (except percussion), but really great for electronic sounds.
@darak2
@darak2 Жыл бұрын
The Sound Canvas software is still available and being sold today but, unfortunately, only as part of the Roland Cloud subscription (ouch). Up to a few years ago, you could still purchase it directly from their web. Compared to this early version, it has a revamped interface and a new audio engine, and I'm pretty sure it no longer creates a virtual MIDI device and it will just work like any other VST plugin instead (however, you have plenty of options if you want to connect a VST to any MIDI input). It has been always marketed to professional musicians who want to add some retro sounding instruments to their productions, so it should have pretty low latency and great quality.
@Andy-G
@Andy-G Жыл бұрын
You can still buy it on its own. For 69 Dollar I think. I bought it one year ago for 75 Euro.
@JohnSmith-xq1pz
@JohnSmith-xq1pz Жыл бұрын
I have a windows 9x era version of VSC that came with a band in box software package
@Nico93
@Nico93 Жыл бұрын
did you post that copy online?
@JohnSmith-xq1pz
@JohnSmith-xq1pz Жыл бұрын
@@Nico93 No, but probably should after I've gotten around to archiving all my software...
@Nico93
@Nico93 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-xq1pz that should be done certainly, not a lot of vsc survive today.
@JohnSmith-xq1pz
@JohnSmith-xq1pz Жыл бұрын
@@Nico93 I'll make a mental note tolook into that
@CobraTheSpacePirate
@CobraTheSpacePirate Жыл бұрын
With the sound canvas enabled, then you won't hear when you press the keys but you can get the visual feed back as you press the keys along with the accompaniment.
@radiosiesta
@radiosiesta Жыл бұрын
On my first computer I had a soundcard integrated (unusable for midi) I later bought a used SoundBlaster Awe32, and it was an incredible improvement (Then SoundBlaster Live, Audigy etc). I tried Midi with many programs on windows 95 and newer. I had a Yamaha XG 100 synthesizer sound emulator on windows XP. Thanks for the interesting video. It reminded me of the days of the midi era. Then I tried music in MOD, XM, S3M etc. But that was a different category and before PC it was music in those formats on the Amiga computer.
@CobraTheSpacePirate
@CobraTheSpacePirate Жыл бұрын
From Windows XP and on, Windows came with a cut-down licensed by Roland Virtual Sound Canvas Built-In with a custom patch reduced sound sample patch set of like 2MB at the light setting like 22kHz. There was a hack going around that you could get the full Sound Canvas 3.0 8MB sound sample set that you could just copy the 8MB dll file over top of the 2MB one to get like a full upgrade to the high quality 44kHz over the built in cut down GS set at 22kHz. *edit, actually, it may have come on Windows Me or Windows 98SE as well...I can't remember.
@fabianswebworld
@fabianswebworld 3 ай бұрын
I think it came in ME and it was the 3.5 MB GM/GS set. You are absolutely right that the DLS file could be easily replaced, but the 22 kHz mix rate had nothing to do with the sample set itself. Actually, the bigger DLS files did only contain more samples, not necessarily higher quality (although some really were of higher quality). The mixrate however could be set to 44.1 if you used an application that used MIDI via DirectMusic instead of WinMM.dll (such as Winamp). This way, you could get essentially the same sound out of a stock Windows Me or XP PC without installing Roland VSC.
@Psychlist1972
@Psychlist1972 Жыл бұрын
Trivia: The GS Wavetable synth (the in-box General MIDI Synth on Windows) was actually provided by Roland.
@kosmosyche
@kosmosyche Жыл бұрын
While this is factually correct, it's important to note that the instruments provided by Roland to Microsoft (or to Apple for that matter, since Roland also provided their instruments to Macs at some point in time) were drastically inferior in quality to the real deal Sound Canvas instruments and sounded completely different.
@Psychlist1972
@Psychlist1972 Жыл бұрын
​@@kosmosyche The in-box stuff provided by Roland for Windows sounds *very* similar to the Sound Canvas VA 55 and, of course, the SC55. There are some comparison videos here on YT. Different, but not drastically so if you're not comparing it to a later SC or using effects. Makes sense as the in-box GS Synth was derived from the VSC 55 which was derived from the SC 55. If you compare to an SC-88, you'll hear real differences. But if you compare to the older SC55, you'll find very little difference. The SC55 was already several years old by the time that the in-box GS synth was released, and Roland continued to refine their General MIDI devices.
@kosmosyche
@kosmosyche Жыл бұрын
@@Psychlist1972 Dude, I have a comparison video on my channel, and I compared most well-known soundfonts as well as most old soundcards maniacally between each other on hundreds of MIDI compositions. It's kinda what I like doing for fun. The difference is night and day. Default Windows MIDI is one of the worst sounding MIDI soundfonts I've ever heard. I can't even think of anything that sounds worse. It's a muffled cut down mess. Even Gravis Ultrasound with default patches, the sound of which I personally hate, sound a bit better in my opinion. So don't tell me they sound almost the same, it's not true. lol
@Psychlist1972
@Psychlist1972 Жыл бұрын
@@kosmosyche Maybe I'm just not hearing it. In your Quest for Glory 4 (MIDI) video, can you point me to two timestamps where the GS synth differs significantly from the SCVA 55?
@kosmosyche
@kosmosyche Жыл бұрын
@@Psychlist1972 Ok, let's take my favorite part of this song - the guitar solo. It starts at 1:07 for default Windows MIDI and at 15:33 for Sound Canvas VA (it's not the real SC-55, but it's close enough to the real deal). On SC-55 it sounds like a real guitar, the sound is fairly nuanced, lots of dynamics between notes, you can hear how well all the small fret changes are emulated. On default Windows MIDI it doesn't even sound like an electric guitar, it's almost like a small annoying pipe or something, the sound is completely butchered. But tbh you can take most instruments and see the same difference. There is also a huge difference is sound engine itself - not only the instruments themselves, but how the notes are mixed together into whole. It's much more simple on default MIDI, it completely flattens the music.
@hartoz
@hartoz Жыл бұрын
The crashing could be down to your hardware raid controller using a shared irq or resources with other components, try disabling serial port and parallel ports.
@ZiggyTheHamster
@ZiggyTheHamster Жыл бұрын
My preference on the samples were 4, 1, 3, 2 and that unsurprisingly checks out now that I know what they were.
@user-xn3kt6bn5r
@user-xn3kt6bn5r Жыл бұрын
Great video of some lesser known (to me) software. Also that initial Duke Nukem test sounds like it needed a little less cowbell
@RachaelSA
@RachaelSA Жыл бұрын
I just used an AWE32, and an AWE32 and an AWE32 and an AWE64 Gold. There was nothing like directX yet, one card could play 1 wav and 1 midi at the same time.
@polyglotwave
@polyglotwave Жыл бұрын
Not sure if you've made a dedicated video for your Windows XP setup, but I had the same Antec case back in the day complete with the LAN party carrying strap and that drawer of screws!
@markitzero12
@markitzero12 Жыл бұрын
With this Winamp will actually interface with it. I have on my Laptop a PCem VM with Windows 98SE and it installed and Winamp v2.95, you have to adjust the Winamp Midi plugin to work with the Virtual Sound Canvas.
@ToxicwasteProductions
@ToxicwasteProductions Жыл бұрын
This software is awesome! Just added it to my windows xp machine and even though it does have a good soundcard it's fun to play around with. Thank you very much :)
@Cherijo78
@Cherijo78 Жыл бұрын
Well. I finally found a use for my ASUS eee 1000HE. Permanent virtual sound canvas. I have no other use for it, it's nice and compact. And since I can't afford a real sound canvas or MT device and I have this sitting around... I know for certain I could get a cable to go into USB on it from a 15 pin, or make one. What I would Really like to do though Is figure out how to connect it to another computer directly and act simply as an extra powerful external sound card. This could be a fun project!
@LittleRichard1988
@LittleRichard1988 6 ай бұрын
I used this back in September 2009 before I finally bought a real Roland SC-88 Pro in March 2010. Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth is basically a more cut down version of Virtual Sound Canvas. For midi file rendering I still think even the hardware SC-55 is better than VSC or MS Wavetable Synth. But of course Sound Canvas VA does actually as good as a real SC-8820/SK-500/SC-D70.
@lightascend2524
@lightascend2524 Жыл бұрын
1. VSC doesn't support 32 channels, it only has 16. 2. The integrated MIDI player on VSC crashes a LOT on Windows XP, almost every single time. I can play any 16-channel MIDI file with Windows Media Player, XGPlayer and Falconsoft SoundFont Midi Player just fine, but not the integrated VSC MIDI player. 3. VSC doesn't support EFX.
@gabrielleeliseo6062
@gabrielleeliseo6062 Жыл бұрын
Even if you knew how to play the piano, there is no way you could play most of those samples with the short keyboard. Pretty cool, all in all!
@Hiraghm
@Hiraghm Жыл бұрын
I have an MT-32 and 2 PMA-5 synths (MT-32 attached to Linux, 1 PMA-5 attached to Win7... the other in a box tucked away), and would really like to get a roland _midi_ (not usb) keyboard to use with them :(
@JohnSmith-xq1pz
@JohnSmith-xq1pz Жыл бұрын
Closest thing I have is the RealTech onboard sound on my Ryzen 3 1300x All in One retro gaming pc. It has a Roland SC Midi WaveTable synth built into it.
@BilisNegra
@BilisNegra Жыл бұрын
19:15 How can the puss keep sleeping like a log with the Doom theme banging thru the speakers right next to it? This human slight sleeper is so envious!
@BehindTheCode_wGerry
@BehindTheCode_wGerry Жыл бұрын
Great video...Very cool to see! I love messing around with MIDI whenever I can. Such an amazing technology for music development and composition. I did mess around with playing MIDI tracks on the Nintendo 64 Console which was pretty wild. Loads of Fun!! ^_^ Once again, Great video. :) Cheers! -Gerry
@koinpusher
@koinpusher Жыл бұрын
I'm still waiting for that part 2 video about that :D nice seeing you here Gerry :D
@NemesisTWarlock
@NemesisTWarlock Жыл бұрын
*e1M1 Starts playing on the keyboard* Oh hey cool! *Camera zooms out, it's a 500 pound dual keyboard synth organ behemoth* OH. OH, I WANT A VIDEO ON THIS YESTERDAY.
@plushifoxed
@plushifoxed Жыл бұрын
loved the kitty cameo!
@AnalogX64
@AnalogX64 Жыл бұрын
Woopp...wooop....early to a Tech Tangents video :)
@BradPitBrasileiro
@BradPitBrasileiro Жыл бұрын
has VSC-MP1 its the last one made virtual soundcanvas before Soundcanvas VA
@shemleer
@shemleer 3 ай бұрын
hace algun tiempo usé el virtual sound canvas, como mera curiosidad. ahora tengo un CS88 pro en fisico y persona. definitivamente, su sonido es muy bueno...
@gfdggdfgdgf
@gfdggdfgdgf Жыл бұрын
Even to this day I'm impressed by the midi sounds wingroove produced.
@amp888
@amp888 Жыл бұрын
4:25 "But, can it play Doom?"
@Robertkopp84
@Robertkopp84 Жыл бұрын
I bought a igel pc just to run this and the yamaha S-YXG50 software when I found this out. I found both on a old OG Athlon Asus Motherboard driver CD from my brothers old stash of CDs. I use it as a kind of midi emulation box to lift the burden from the actual dos/win98 pc.
@wolvenar
@wolvenar Жыл бұрын
I used to have these both at one point. I'm not sure why they had it, but a radio station was getting rid of all of thier old stuff, and these were part of the mix of things. I don't have any idea where they evee went.
@joetheman74
@joetheman74 9 ай бұрын
Something wrong with the way you have XP setup configured. I use a virtual midi on XP with DOS programs using the built in DOS emulation and it works great. It does require some proper tweaking. I remember when I first set it up there were all kinds of problems, crashes and timing issues. Once you get it set up though it just sits in the tray and when you run a DOS program you get awesome sound as if you had expensive hardware.
@BradPitBrasileiro
@BradPitBrasileiro Жыл бұрын
Thank you for show this solution, you save me to buy the original sc-88 :)
@poolplayerbrian
@poolplayerbrian Жыл бұрын
Tech Tangents like a MUGG!!!!
@nonchai
@nonchai Жыл бұрын
Native Instruments used to make BANDSTAND - a GM2 "module" that had 2GB worth of streaming samples.. sadly they discontinued it aeons ago - and never went further - like to supporting XG or arranger type sound sets- which would have been cool
@suitandtieguy
@suitandtieguy Жыл бұрын
Yes I actually design and manufacture analogue synthesisers for a living, but one of my favourite digital synthesisers is the Sound Canvas. I have five of them!: RA-30, SC-33, SC-88VL, SK-88 Pro, and the _nicest_ Sound Canvas ever made, the SC-880. So glad to see a fellow SK-88 Pro owner! btw if you ever want to come to Knobcon (the world's only synthesiser convention) let me know and I'll give you a media pass. for better or worse, it's the same weekend and metropolitan area as the Midwest Vintage Computer Fair.
@VAXHeadroom
@VAXHeadroom Жыл бұрын
Please check out the "Electronica" festival held in the fall in Baltimore MD. I think info from last year is only FB, but if interested I'll get you info.
@suitandtieguy
@suitandtieguy Жыл бұрын
@@VAXHeadroom cool name, "Vax headroom" ... what is this festival?
@Stjaernljus
@Stjaernljus Жыл бұрын
in the four examples i reacted instantly that the VSC sounded very strange and wrong as it sounded very compressed, not sure if that was due to how it was recorded.
@rodrigomusics2
@rodrigomusics2 Жыл бұрын
hey man, this a perfect video, i like this videos from music softwares old!! excellent!!😃😃
@7828191
@7828191 Жыл бұрын
I cannot get any midi sound from the VSC in games with Windows 98se. What am i doing wrong??, i have it selected as the midi output device. Specs are PIII 700 and Soundblaster 16 CT2910 etc.
@ocboomer
@ocboomer Жыл бұрын
I'm having the same issue. Anyone?
@AudioReplica2023
@AudioReplica2023 11 ай бұрын
I remember my first VSTi was Edirol Super Quartet Vsti. basically Sound canvas
@JanWalzer
@JanWalzer Жыл бұрын
You should try to get your hands on the yamaha software synths. I believe there was an SG-50 version and an XG version of the yamaha. The main players looked similar to the roland-SC just with swapped stickers, but the XG Version sounded awesome - especially with midi-xg files ... And they had another player, where you could swap the sampleset between different styles, which was funny at that time. --- nevertheless, thx for the video. Try to get your hands on "yamaha xg"
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын
It’s cute how you call 6/8 time or a fast run up and down the scale complicated! Certainly not novice, but I’d say solidly intermediate for weekly kids lessons. Also staff notation is much faster for read-ahead, once you’ve got it down. That just requires practicing scales for a while (it’s much easier than learning the written word or maths). Which is indeed what I expect the tutor would have the student doing for up to maybe the first month before starting them on this program. And the demo files are definitely for the teacher, not the student, so think of them more like notation demoscene stuff (earlier software was far too limited compared to handwritten music), hence all the time signatures and varying-length slides and so on. Showing the teacher they can input whatever material they’re teaching into the program accurately and easily.
@dan_1984
@dan_1984 Жыл бұрын
‘Cool sweet’ so reminds me of Transport Tycoon
@fabianswebworld
@fabianswebworld 3 ай бұрын
I really love your euphoria about this software (Virtual Sound Canvas), but the actual samples used are exactly the ones which you already have installed on any Windows XP machine in form of the infamous "Microsoft GS Wavetable Synthesizer". So yes, the product is cool, especially the GUI with the controller view etc., but unfortunately it's nothing "special" in terms of sound quality... To understand this, one should know that Microsoft actually licensed a copy of the Roland Sound Canvas Sample Set (3.3 MB in size, it's located under "C:\Windows\System32\drivers\gm.dls" even nowadays in Windows 10/11) and included it at least since Windows ME with every Windows installation (maybe even since Win 98)! Until a certain build of Windows 10 you could even access an about dialog box via the Sound control panel which showed the Roland and GS logo. However, the mix rate was fixed to 22 kHz, but if you accessed MIDI via DirectSound, you could set this to 44 kHz as well. And that's the second thought I wanted to share: the sample rate you can set in the VSC settings does not select e.g. "44.1 kHz samples", as you called it. The samples come as they are; they are played at different rates to get the different notes actually. What this setting actually changes is the "mix rate" of the software synthesizer. This means how often per second a new output sample value is calculated from all the voices/samples playing together at their respective notes and the position inside each sample waveform. Of course, higher mix rate yields better results, but it does not make the samples themselves higher quality. However, some of them are sampled at a nominal sample rate that is higher than 22 kHz so they will definitely sound better. Also, playing a high-pitched sample that is played faster than the nominal recording will however retain its high frequency components which it won't when limited by a, say, 22 or even 11 kHz mixrate. Sounds complicated, I know, but I had to sort things out, I hope you appreciate it (it's not meant as a criticism!). To sum up: using Roland VSC in 22.05 kHz mode should more or less sound *exactly* identical to using the Windows-built-in "Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth". Maybe you can make a comparison for yourself... Anyway - keep up the great work, I really like your videos very, very, very much!
@tootalldan5702
@tootalldan5702 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for presenting the software. Did you ever thing the notes and staffs were the barcode to music?
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