Worms 3: Goat and Sheep Dewormers

[@markwjr]

Your videos are awesome. No fluff, straight to the point and articulate, but still with a passion that reveals your love of farming and life.

[@rollingofarm]

Thank you!

[@missysmessage722]

Agree 👍

[@blairgreive4813]

By far the most comprehensive and to the point explanation about this subject without all the merry-go-round conversation about other things awesome friend good job keep it up

[@rollingofarm]

Glad it was helpful!

[@justinkaub5038]

So far I have not dewormed. However, we just started our flock last July. When we received our sheep I took a fecal sample in last July then this March. The vet recommended not worming. We rotate every 2 days ish. We are getting 40 days between returning to the start paddock. So far everyone looks healthy. I do have some ivermectin on standby just in case. This is the first spring for us. After watching this series I am planning on running them through our pallet diy chute. This way I can get a good look at all there eyes. This has been a great series full of good information. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. It helps boost this small time rookies confidence.

[@rollingofarm]

Sounds like you have a great management system in place!

[@esperago]

Question for you and Rolling O Farm: I am raising a bottle lamb for butcher this fall at about 6 months of age. It's 2 months old and currently no worms. Should I administer dewormer as a sort of maintenance or preventative as I get closer to the butchering date? Some channels suggest regular deworming, is why I ask. Or should I only do it if worms become apparent? Lastly, may I ask, do people usually test their lambs for parasites everytime before butchering? Or not really? I kind of grosses me out to think that the animal may have worms but not show it yet and then I butcher it for my consumption. Thanks!

[@angeln8582]

You do such a good job of giving bite sized , but thorough explanations and instructions. This video series was so very helpful. 😁

[@rollingofarm]

Glad it was helpful!

[@dennisdean9379]

Great job explaining the different classes of dewormers and how to administer them. I'm familiar with the Famacha scoring system and administering (having worked for a large animal vet many years ago), but your video was helpful in the particular details and how to best use them to keep the parasite load low/manageable in goats and sheep.

[@rollingofarm]

Glad it was helpful!

[@carolhargis7680]

I love your videos. Love love your hay feeder & working system! I’m certainly going to steal those ideas! The reason copper oxide wire particle boluses work is very much like DE works to kill ants & roaches. The wire particles embed themselves into the walls of the rumen & as the larvae pass over them they are torn apart or torn open so the digestive juices can dissolve them, just like DE scratches the exterior of ants & roaches so they dehydrate. And because copper oxide is the metallic form of copper, it is only absorbable at a rate of 3-10%. The younger animals (people too) will absorb/utilize more than older animals. That’s why sheep can handle a copper bolus. I’ve learned the hard way that management is a far more effective tool than relying on deworming. I never let my animals out to graze on wet pasture or let them graze on pasture less than ankle high, and that means the shortest grass in the field, because it’s their favorite. I have used BioWorma, but I top dress the feed of only the problem animals because those are the ones shedding most of the eggs. It does seem to work well to lower the worm load on ghe pasture. But I also fast my animals 12 hours prior to worming & that seems to make the dewormer more effective. I have dairy goats & can easily stall them to fast them. Goats on pasture it would be more difficult. Thanks again for all your videos. I enjoy them very much.

[@jessicabennett852]

This was awesome information. We’ve only had our sheep a few months!

[@philcooper1055]

Thanks, Lonnie! Always appreciate the demonstrations! Very helpful.

[@rollingofarm]

Thank you.

[@ignitiousmuchora]

Thank you soo much, I am learning a lot from here in Nairobi Kenya, I am researching so that I can prepare to establish a 200 dorper sheep zero grazing unit next year. Kudos!!

[@rollingofarm]

I wish you much success.

[@gpvaneron1584]

Man, I've watched so many sheep videos. Many great ones out there but this was perfect. Touched on all the questions i had in my mind. Even including some of the natural stuff we're using (seeding our pasture with lespedza also forage chicory , occasionally feeding black walnut forage and adding bit of ACV to water. Good explanation of the different chemical dewormers and how to administer drench vs injection in an easily understandable way . Thank you!

[@rollingofarm]

Thank you! Glad you found it helpful.

[@jonvankirk9933]

I use diatomaceous earth. It works more as a preventative maintenance with parasites. You have to be careful with getting it in there lungs and giving too much. So mixing it in with some grain and molasses to keep the dustiness down. It’s a good at not killing the good bugs in the ground where most chemical dewormer do.

[@PinkWillowRanch2024]

Thank you I just adopted three sheep and learning on the go. Didn’t even think of the worms so going to do the stool samples and start them on DE while in quarantine

[@dustinkoehn6890]

Thank you for the three part series. Its been the most helpful and informative videos i have found yet. Covered all the bases it seems.

[@rollingofarm]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Soilfoodwebwarrior]

When you say seems to work it makes me feel like your not sure about this whole endeavor. It sounds to me that this is exactly like my experiences with human "medicine". They are not designed to cure the problem, they do not get at root causes. There intention is to provide symptom relief which can be important of course as a cytokine storm can cause death, but the temporary symptom relief comes at the cost of long term health/liver health. I am not critiquing you brother! These videos are excellent, thanks again.

[@rollingofarm]

Much of my conclusions are based on experience and observations not scientific studies so “seems to work” is often the best I can do. Lol.

[@lorengordon9626]

I let my goats and sheep out to eat the juniper seeds and branches from time to time. I understand that the seeds are like pepper and the oils in them help as well. I cant verify that this is actually effective but it seems to help. I also put Diatomaceous earth in thier grain. Then twice a year they all gett the pelletized de-wormer.

[@kristenbellinger6589]

I just found your channel, thank you for your videos! I have had dairy goats and wool sheep since 2019. I guess I was lucky my first year and had no parasite issues, but these past three years have been brutal for barber pole and strongyles. I've lost so many :( In my area (Middle Tennessee) basically they're all resistant. The vets here started having us use two classes, and now they're recommending using all three classes at the same time. Which basically means the chemical dewormers aren't really working anymore. This year I've started using electric netting to rotationally graze and I've got a plan that I'm praying will get the cycle broken, but I need more nets to really implement the full plan. Of course growing season is over now but if I can get everybody through the winter I'm hoping the budget will allow me to have enough rolls of net to get the proper rotation going by the time the grass and brush start growing again. I just gave all the goats a copper bolus for the first time the other day, and I've started feeding garlic to the ones who will eat the raw cloves (most will but a few won't, not willingly anyway lol). I was afraid to give the sheep a copper bolus but given that you said your vet recommended it for yours, I'm going to ask my vet about it. I'm also about to order a bunch of herbs and try an herbal remedy drench - I agree with you that it's questionable whether or not it will have any actual affect on worms, but I think it will at least help with overall health and maybe give their immune systems a boost at least. Expensive but I'm willing to try it, I'm desperate at this point. Have you ever tried BioWorma? It doesn't do anything for the animals themselves, passes through them, but it's a fungus that will activate in the poop and feed on the parasite larvae in the poop. Super expensive but if I can afford it next year I'm going to try that too. I'm also going to try to build some kind of mobile chicken coop to have chickens follow the sheep and goats on the rotation, I've read they are terminal hosts so if they eat the larvae it will break the cycle too. My chickens free range but if I put a group in a mobile coop within a net following the ruminants I can direct them where I need them to work. That's on my "hope to do" list for next year too. Right now I just pray we can get through winter with all the prices having gone up so much :( Anyway, thank you for your videos and I'll be checking out the rest of your channel!

[@rollingofarm]

Thanks for checking out the channel. I believe the only long term solution to worms is rotational grazing. It helps break the life cycle, but more than that it keeps their heads a little higher off the ground (as the fresh paddocks have grown a little higher). Higher the head, the less larva they are ingesting. I hope the winter goes well and next summer is healthier for all. Thanks again.

[@drewk5929]

@@rollingofarm how many days should a paddock rest to break the cycle on worms ? Thanks great video

[@Blue1Sapphire]

@@drewk5929 he mentioned that in his last video. He said 60 days rest period. I suppose it also depends on the size of the paddocks & the number of goats in there.

[@kevinpilkington6527]

As a farm kid of the 60s , one of my jobs on the farm was to fold copper wheat pennies and give as wormer to the animals that didn't respond to the water wormers. A calf with a heavy caseload got its 3 cents worth....a sheep never was worth more n a penny and a goat might need 2 cents to make a dollar so as the old folks said. The results were perty darn good for us then. Today's pennies ain't the same and I would NOT use them! I still use a wheat penny but as they are in a short supply these days I save them for a last ditch effort. Be careful and Stay safe, Kev

[@rollingofarm]

That is very interesting! Thanks for sharing!

[@Jonhdudley2]

Occasionally I cut some cedar limbs and pitch in the pasture They eat it really quick and it works well

[@vdoniel]

Interesting. How often do you feed cedar? How much? How long have you done this?

[@gregtipton9545]

First of all, my wife and I enjoy your videos very much and are very interested in your set up. We are needing to change ours to make it flow better and make it easier to manage our goats. We are fairly new to your channel and I was wondering which drench gun you use. The ones that I’ve found have the lowest dose marker at 10ml but, sometimes we need to drench younger/lighter goats.

[@rollingofarm]

Thanks. I’ll have to see what brand it is. I ordered it from Jeffers.

[@rollingofarm]

I no longer see the one I have available. But this one would be similar. www.jefferspet.com/cydectin-oral-sheep-drench-gun/p

[@jimbuford4147]

I appreciate your vids. I have a chart from the American Consortium for small ruminant parasite control and for cydectin it recommends 4.5 ml for 25 pounds. Much higher than what the label says. This is for goats.

[@rollingofarm]

Yes, because of resistance, the dosage rates have increased significantly. Some recommended higher than that.

[@Kathleen67.]

I have lespedeza and black walnut trees. I have never had worms since we started three years ago with three 9 year old goats and three kids.

[@cherylbishop7657]

DIATOMACEOUS EARTH is awesome for all animals ❤ GOD BLESS

[@navarrohillsranch]

Very good information and demonstration! Thank you.

[@rollingofarm]

Glad it was helpful!

[@mspjmahomes4462]

Thank you!! Very, Very, helpful.

[@liannannette359]

I only use chemical dewormers if an amimal shows bottlejaw. Valbazen, cydectin or prohibit. I also feed a few times a week D.Earth.

[@GypsyBrokenwings]

I just bought 2 goats from a breeder who said he puts out the block of Safeguard for cattle.

[@mlk08012]

Can you do a video on tagging goats and sheep?

[@rollingofarm]

Great suggestion. Thanks

[@williambryan2804]

What I've read about Cydectin is it does not hurt dung beetles, because the concentration is below the lethal level.

[@rollingofarm]

I didn’t know that. Thanks

[@ArlinGravelle]

Whats up with the sock on the bottle. Is it to keep light of the medication or is it cold?

[@rollingofarm]

The sock is an easy way for me to hang the bottle upside down when using my automatic syringe. Cut a small hole in the toe, slide the bottle down top first, then put a small hole in the top of sock to hang in a nail. It also helps block sunlight, insulates, and provides a little cushioning for glass bottles.

[@gamecockcountry7731]

Great information thanks

[@rollingofarm]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ben1357]

In Uganda we use Ivermectin 1%, Ivermectin or Albendazole 10% for deworming sheep and goats.

[@davidmotlaloe5628]

Ivomac super is the best internal and external parasites

[@SunnyStruck86]

Can you use the pour on cydectin orally on goats in milk? I have a momma with a week old kids.

[@rollingofarm]

Yes. Just don’t drink the milk yourself.

[@orajohnson2612]

Thank you.

[@JoseRamos-wv6sg]

Can you write the name of the grass or plants thath you recommend to combine with pastures for natural deform? What you think of BioWorma?

[@rollingofarm]

I have not used BioWorm, so I can’t say. Acorns and sericea lespedeza are about all that I have first hand experience with.

[@prdeereman]

I've heard the multiflora roses do . We called them wild rose bushes . They are some of the first plants that disappeared

[@mra7857]

thanks great Hands on information

[@rollingofarm]

Thanks

[@mra7857]

@@rollingofarm can you please give me an idea of how much farm land per acre cost

[@lotus....]

What do you think of products like Bioworma? They are sure expensive but I wonder if anyone has had any success. I understand that one still has to initially worm the animal but the fungus controls the worms in the pasture. I am in FL with a herd of dairy goats and I am thinking of trying it. Our summers can be rainy every other day or two & with heat & humidity the Barber Pole worms can be a nightmare.

[@rollingofarm]

I don’t have any experience with Bioworma. If you try it, please let me know how you think it works. Thanks

[@bsteph1291]

Cydectin for sheep is also safe for goats?

[@rollingofarm]

Yes, I believe so. However, the dosage would probably be different (higher for goats). But I have used it on goats.

[@Armon65]

How often do you deworm them with prohibit and when do you rotate dewormers?

[@rollingofarm]

Currently, I only use prohibit when they do not respond to Cydectin (which is the dewormer I'm using right now). I use a wormer till it is no longer effective (which for me has traditionally been 4-6 years).

[@phillipsmith21]

My great grandfather swore by plug tobacco as a wormer.

[@rollingofarm]

I’ve heard that too!

[@Jessiechamp81]

What medication did you drench with in this video?

[@courtneybesser7444]

My vet has been doing Ivermectin injection and valbazen orally at the same time, twice a year for my pet sheep. I hope this is covering barber pole worms and is a good technique…….

[@rollingofarm]

I’m sure they know what they are doing.

[@matthewbrown8579]

How long have you been using Cooper oxide wire boluses

[@rollingofarm]

I’ve been using copper boluses on goats for for about 4 years, but I’ve only used it on sheep for the past two years and only on a few that have been in dire need of help.

[@robertgray6631]

I have never tried it but I have always heard people using tobacco to worm livestock, horses and’s dogs. I know someone using clear mineral oil for his dog but I know it didn’t work but he disagreed with me. I gave his dog a small bit of horse dewormer and the dog got better. I got his permission first because one of his dogs died from just mineral oil Also I made this statement before watching the whole video. Would love to hear what you have to say if not in this video. Thanks

[@rollingofarm]

I don’t have experience with tobacco or mineral oil, but I’ve heard the same thing.

[@zachaeusjaramba1785]

i have an ewe that i am suspecting to be pregnant but has flu and cough despite deworming and giving it antibiotic. what could the sheep be suffering from and how can it be helped?

[@rollingofarm]

If it has an infection the antibiotics will be the best help.

[@Wahab-gl4ob]

thank you how you increase my knowledge

[@rollingofarm]

Glad to hear that

[@MUKAGAPAUL]

live longer and share you good idea's for young goat herders

[@carlshannon2242]

At what age can you worm kids, and is it the same dose per pound? Thanks

[@rollingofarm]

You can worm them at whatever age they need it. I usually start checking them at around a month old, but rarely do they need it before 2-3 months old. Use same dose per pound as with adults.

[@CharZzar]

Has anyone tried Electro culture ? Copper-wire works well with plants 🌱and seeding. Please let me know 😊

[@ericphilson1119]

Basic H in waterless. Multi-species grazing.

[@kevincrosby4336]

Can cydectin use on pregnant goats

[@rollingofarm]

Yes Cydectin is safe to use on pregnant goats.

[@Adnancorner]

Tea has tannins, what about black tea ?

[@rollingofarm]

May work. I don’t know. 🤷‍♂️

[@darlenevonderlieth888]

Where do I buy the lebanesa cervica seed

[@rollingofarm]

That is a good question. I don’t know right off. You can probably go online and find a supplier that can mail order.

[@kristenbellinger6589]

I have found it (sericea lespedeza) available as seed from my local feed mill, along with all the different pasture grass seeds (orchard, timothy, fescue etc), but if you can't find it at your local feed & seed store or farmers' co-op, you can probably find it from a seed supplier online. I am lucky enough to have lots of it growing on my farm, but I'm going to seed it too when I seed orchard grass, trying to improve my pastures.

[@johnmorris1637]

What about copper sulphate?

[@rollingofarm]

I've tired doing a copper sulphate drench that was very difficult because it required giving them large quantities of the drench. I couldn't tell that it helped. I have also tried free choice minerals that had high levels of copper sulphate, again without seeing a noticeable difference in reducing worm load. I've heard others have success with it.

[@halaunic1]

Thanksfortheinfo

[@jordanisekimoglou1283]

A you eat animals that have orf virus?

[@kevincrosby4336]

What you worm a baby goat with the cow wormer

[@rollingofarm]

Most babies don’t need to be dewormed. But if a goat needs to be dewormed (whatever the age), it’s important to use something that works.

[@serpentserpent9308]

Sericea lespedeza 👍

[@jeannemiller306]

Does cydectin get out of date

[@rollingofarm]

It probably has an expiration date.

[@KarelSmit-o3g]

Nog n mens wat nie van deatome gehoor het nie dit sal julle ameteers nog leer!

[@ben1357]

In Uganda we use Ivermectin 1%, Ivermectin or Albendazole 10% for deworming sheep and goats.

[@gallounocuatro2746]

Very good info thanks

[@kevincrosby4336]

Can you use cydectin on pregnant goats

[@rollingofarm]

Yes. You can.