Roman History 17 - Hadrian To Antoninus 117-140 AD

[@huldrrrr9486]

Antoninus Pius sounded like a real bro, probably one of my top 3 fave emperors

[@HVLLOW99]

Antoninus's reign is one of my favorite emperor because of his long reign of peace. Rome sitting at the top of its peak just for a moment before a slow decline.

[@dalegamburg8995]

Just remember you are glamourising literally a bunch of fascist slave-drivers ,95 percentage of poverty,25 percentage slaves

[@coltenbeachel645]

Ronald Reagan is our equivalent

[@geordiejones5618]

@@coltenbeachel645 not even close. America is still in its Republic phase. It hasn't gone full empire yet.

[@thewarrior7766]

@@coltenbeachel645 Reagan’s trickle down effect in the long term fucked the us sadly

[@GillianSeed]

To quote our favorite Brazilian basket weaving/his/torian "and he did absolutely nothing. For 25 years. Based "

[@niccoarcadia4179]

When I think of Antoninus these words come to me: Conscientious, Practical, Logical, Generous, and very level headed. He's one of my favorite Roman Emporer historical figures. I wish there was more written about him but since he led Rome during a quiet period the historians are silent.

[@thomsbooth4906]

Hadrian is a fascinating subject for study. His energy was boundless. Just trying to follow his travels around the empire is exhausting. I need to take a nap after trying to follow him around the empire.

[@gardenpop]

Lmao, Antoninus literally said: "Well if you hate Hadrian's decisions so much, then you must hate me too. If thats true then I'll step down and let something else decide who rules." Senate in a now cowed state: "Ummm, I'm just so sad at our god's passing." Antoninus: "I bet you fuckin are."

[@PoochieCollins]

😂😂

[@USA1848]

It took me years to clean up Hadrian's mess.

[@andrewb8372]

Well, you needed something to do...

[@bullroarer-took]

Yea...what mess

[@davidgonzalez-herrera2980]

Antoninus Pius 😂😂😂😂

[@Hugh_Morris]

@jaca van heesch what did he accomplish that is deserving of best Emperor? He alienated the senate (executed dozens of them), he abandoned Trajan's conquests, he built an actual cult around his dead gay lover, he went batshit insane (we tend to look down on emperors that did that) and his main goal of pan-Hellenism failed by his own admission. Was it his building projects and stability? Emperors before and after him achieved the same things. Was it his rejection of ancient Roman style because he grew a beard? Or wait, was it the wall he built in cold, rainy Britain? Trajan built greater things and Antonius' reign was even more stable. While he preached philosophy and virtue he was paranoid and murdered his own people, so Marcus outdid him in that department too.

[@histguy101]

Abandoning Mesopotamia was a good thing. The fact that he was able to do this at all is clear indication that he wasn't alone in this thinking.

[@lordjimbo2]

Very fair assessment of Hadrian. He's been a bit overrated by modern historians and is probably a clear 5 or 6 on the Greatest Emperors chart.

[@jacobsoltero2872]

Eh I put him at 8 or 9. Ik it's wierd but im bias toward others of my favor. Like Aurelian and Titus etc. For what they could have done if they reigned linger.

[@SkylineFTW97]

I think he's underrated compared to Trajan. He was one of the few who understood how important it was to not stretch the borders thin and to fortify the existing borders (Domitian also gets bonus points for this with his policy). And although Trajan's more hands off policy was more practical, Hadrian was at least a capable and efficient administrator like Domitian before him. I think Trajan's eastern conquests actually stand as a black mark on his reign when the unsustainable scope of his conquest is considered. One that even prior to his death were showing that they were not practical to keep up and they would've certainly left the empire weaker had they not been abandoned so quickly. And his handling of the 3rd Jewish revolt makes sense in the context that it was in. This wasn't some unprovoked massacre like Carthage or Corinth before or Thessalonika after. This was reacting to a clear and present internal threat.

[@charlesramirez587]

@@SkylineFTW97 I dismiss his handling of the Jewish revolt because he was too invested in an antagonistic approach. It doesn't make sense for what Rome was as a state. It seemed to be only provoked by Hadrians obsessive imposition

[@rationalbasis2172]

@@charlesramirez587 How many times did the ancient Jews revolt against Rome?

[@melvinbrotherofthejoker436]

@@charlesramirez587maybe because they depopulated a lot of the east in the last war, and they didn’t revolt again after this one did they?

[@rigulur]

antoninus was basically flextape on the empire. he held things together, even if he didn't kill any big problems

[@roycejames789]

“Would not be taken lightly” Chad statement at its finest

[@roycejames789]

Fuck around and find out Parthia Lamo

[@0livegarden745]

Did nothing for 23 years, based

[@hazeshi6779]

23 years of no dramatic decline in the society? Based

[@whippoorwillss]

Imagine that. Leave the people alone and don't unnecessarily spill blood and treasure.

[@scottoldfield8243]

Based or biased?

[@ButthurtImmigrant]

😂😅😢

[@tristanhodgson6676]

If it ain't broken don't fix it 😮

[@ryanmillis3648]

I love your podcast bud, i wish i had more people to talk history with.

[@Alamyst2011]

Random people on the internet feel the same way. To start. I personally find the parrallells between The Roman Republic and the modern US Democracy to be fascinating. I wonder and hope that we will route out the excesses and focus on the strong points.

[@Woman_in_the_Wilderness]

@@Alamyst2011 I think that ship has sailed - and will sink soon.

[@Alamyst2011]

@@Woman_in_the_Wilderness I believe we are in turmoil as a nation and a people. If we are able to bridge the divide I have hope.

[@Woman_in_the_Wilderness]

@@Alamyst2011 because of the prophecies, I do not see this getting better: "Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation (translated from the Greek word "ethnos" which means "ethnicity") will rise against nation ("ethnicity"), and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." Matthew 24:3‭-‬14

[@michaelfisher7170]

@@Woman_in_the_Wilderness Men who live by apocalyptic prophecies usually find a way to make those prophecies happen.

[@stevenchurch1163]

I think Hadrian, knowing that the too short front pillars marred the perfection of the pantheon, chose not to put his name on it but to leave Agrippa's--if his name was on it the pantheon would be his defining structure...

[@cybersasho]

Good point. It's also an unintentional metaphor for the beginning of the end of the golden age of Rome. The strive to the greatest heights of perfection - the conquests of Trajan, his forum and markets. And the end of the ascent during Hadrian.

[@richardsmith2879]

This is complicated. There were two ‘stock’ heights of column imported from Egypt, and there is a strong suspicion that the shorter of the two was used simply because sufficient of the longer ones were not readily available. Also, the perspective from the enclosed forecourt of the temple complex would have made the base of the dome invisible anyway. Plus it was to honour Agrippa that this third restoration was made by Hadrian. I’ve just found this video and will take a look, but I read this observation and felt a need to comment.

[@festus569]

The most interesting part is when Mike Duncan talks about the war between Judea and Rome.

[@-timaeus-9781]

I think the whole period from Caesar to Trajan is a very interesting part of history.

[@greenmagoos]

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[@theskycavedin]

There's a slab of rock on an island off the coast of Yemen with a Latin inscription referencing Antinious Pious. Seems during his reign some Romans had made it down there.

[@rosiehawtrey]

They had dealings with states out that way, Himyar is one and Axum another - part of a trade in Incense of all things

[@ashtonbarwick6696]

Roman indo-parthian trade

[@rosiehawtrey]

Yemen now is what used to be Himyar just with less Jews and more technicals.

[@stephendean2896]

No one rules alone. The delicate manipulation of those who desire power is what makes a great ruler.

[@redheadchickens]

To be honest, David Schwimmer is a hell of an actor.

[@KeithShuler]

Hey Mike. I followed you on TuneIn know I'm checking it out on KZbin. I learn something every day! Thanks dude.

[@megatron..9032]

Mike aint uploading shit ! Timeus does thou.

[@antoniusbritannia8217]

Great upload. I have always been fascinated with the Emperor Hadrian. Well thought out, with a good delivery. Fine on depth history.

[@tessierashpoolmg7776]

How generous

[@TK-js7yz]

If I ever become an emperor, Antoninus will be my guiding role model ❤

[@Figgy_Jub]

Conquest, war and nail bitting tactical battles are always dramatic and entertaining… Call me a spoil sport, but I like the emperors that kept things stable and didn’t bleed money and doom souls in bloody conflict

[@anthonyheller9711]

"no news is good news" as they say - the remaining record of importance seems to be his successors.

[@jackssmirkingrevenge9365]

the more history i learn, the less certain i become in general about its veracity

[@-timaeus-9781]

Have y looked into alternative history? There's a cool channel called NewEarth on youtube you might like although her accent takes a bit of getting use to.

[@jackssmirkingrevenge9365]

@@-timaeus-9781 yeah, i actually came across her because she deals with megalithic architecture also - another of my passions - but as you mentioned, her accent is just too thick for me to comfortably listen without having to excoriate each word for comprehension dont get me wrong, i love history. i specialise in world war two. but having learnt over time how wrong the mainstream view can be just over the period of seventy odd years, going back two thousand or so seems to me slightly shaky ground. throw in history is written by victors and chinese whisper phenomena and it seems a bit hazy im sure for instance youve heard the theory (i dare say someone as studied as you would call it conspiracy) that something occurred in what would be the north western european dark ages to skew the date of the romans further than it should be into the past, not to mention the possibly likelier one that jesus christ, the new testament and the *roman* catholic church in general were all concocted purposefully by the roman empire. regardless, love your podcasts and knowledge in general. take care 🖒

[@kirkfisher188]

@@jackssmirkingrevenge9365 that 'theory' is exactly how I am able to stay excited century after century through this. Let me ask you, or anyone, about that possibility (probability)... Did the west, through Judea, endorse the mohammedean culture to further tighten the grip of Roman culture farther east.

[@Insectoid_]

Be wary of alternative history channels guys. It’s ok to keep an open mind. But don’t end up going down far right conspiracy routes. Lol

[@frankvandorp2059]

@@Insectoid_ What is "far right" about any of those conspiracy theories? Or do you just use that term to denote anything you disagree with as something bad and scary?

[@toastmapping7525]

28:41 If Hadrian supposedly moved Terminus and it was a huge thing, wouldn`t that also mean the empire couldn`t expand either?

[@hailalexander93]

ToastMapping He explains that it never had any boundaries on outward expansion. Only retraction of the borders.

[@noahlogue]

Hadrian was a good emperor but he had his faults but I love his unremarkable traits that made him relatable.

[@juanferrero2009]

I love these podcasts!

[@liamtangney2963]

How did I get here

[@808_rafa]

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[@josephmasten7588]

Hadrian would be on camera today trying to meet a 14 year old boy at walmart 😂

[@erinaltstadt4234]

Thank you

[@armandduarte4193]

yo Hadriannn

[@sunofpeter2]

Hahahaha!!

[@babyyoda0U812]

This is probably my new favorite comment

[@mahatmarfigo]

🤣🤣🤣

[@TK-js7yz]

Lukuas deeds in Cirenaica are not widely known, what is your source on 200k casualties of Jewish rebels?

[@JonatasAdoM]

I imagine Hadrian in the beach making sand walls.

[@thepo3560]

Sometimes just to show up is big .

[@dominusdevacore517]

Duncan stated the province was depopulated. If the province was so depopulated how did 600k folks die? Seems like an inflated number of 6s.

[@histguy101]

Per Cassius Dio, 50 fortified towns destroyed, 983 villages, and 580,000 Jews, rebels, rebel Jews, Samaritans, etc died. So it looks like Duncan rounded up

[@dominusdevacore517]

@@histguy101 I suppose you think 580k died in exodus too? Stop being so blatantly anti Semitic.

[@histguy101]

Sigh....in a world of idiots, the brain is a burden

[@danielbylund8937]

It's a reoccurring theme in the history of the choosen ppl

[@Hugh_Morris]

@@danielbylund8937 you should see Julian the Apostates written piece on how god selecting the Jews as his "chosen people" shows him to be a stupid god because they amounted to nothing in Antiquity and were always conquered by Pagans

[@angelahope3273]

Hi There, Does the forum still exist?

[@betaomega8724]

Angela- hope this helps- ROMAN FORUM TODAY Today, the Roman Forum is a popular tourist attraction. Visitors can get a first-hand look at the ancient ruins and architectural fragments that were left behind. Persistent efforts to restore and preserve the ruins remain a top priority Source www.history.com/topics/roman-forum

[@jahmanoog461]

My word Ms Angela Hope. Please try to learn some basic research skills. At least you are interested. Try reading a book for depth of understanding.

[@mjonhouston]

@@jahmanoog461 -don't be a dick Jah., a simple "yes" or "no" is all Angela was asking., If she wanted to "read a book" or do some "research" , she probably wouldn't be listening to an audio book like the rest of us., we have helpful people like Beta Omega happy to provide a quick,easy answer to Angela.,..."try" not to e such a dick.

[@BigMamaJama]

@@jahmanoog461 What kind of name is Jah?? That sounds like a sound I make when pushing out a poop.

[@jahmanoog461]

Thank you Beta Omega, certainly more helpful than me. See Bob Marley for meaning of Jah. Your bathroom humor is base and telling.

[@TheCaesarion]

Im getting sad. The beginning of the end :(

[@gjones7547]

"Foggy island on the edge of the World." Nothing changes in 2 thousand years... lol.

[@Friendly-Unit]

There was a point it was arguably the centre of the world but back to obscurity we are determined to go.

[@Wallyworld30]

Did you monetize Mike's podcast? I just got an ad?

[@-timaeus-9781]

No, my channel is not monetized. It is informational.

[@Wallyworld30]

@@-timaeus-9781 I know it's always been that way which is why I made a comment about it. KZbin made me watch a commercial before this video played. First time ever and I've listened to it probably 20 times.

[@eddiemaciejewski9445]

It seems to have been monetized. Im getting ads as well now

[@christiansmith-of7dt]

What would happen if it didnt hurt so much all the time

[@historycenter4011]

Does this Hadrian have anything to do with Hadrian's Wall. 2000 subscribers!!!

[@Pandacous]

Riad al-Assad /MappingArm/ nah nah nothing at all

[@rosiehawtrey]

Yup, Poofterus Imperator is to blame for Hadrians Wall. He's that Hadrian.

[@youvebeengreeked]

There. That image right there. That very time period. That's it: the peak of human history. Beautiful. :')

[@johnmurdoch3083]

There is something dislikeable about hadrian. Not incompetent but certainly hypocritical. Domitian was a more honest man and a better emperor.

[@johnmurdoch3083]

@Robert Bonneau because I'm on the internet.

[@freyasslain2203]

I agree

[@freyasslain2203]

@Robert Bonneaufor the same reason that mike Duncan does

[@stevenleslie8557]

This 2nd Jewish war sounds worse than the Flavian campaign 50 years earlier.

[@rosiehawtrey]

From Dovahhatty with love 😁😂😂😂😂

[@lucienmonson8398]

I’m going to have to be that person and point out that saying Hadrian was “gay” is like saying Trajan was “republican” or something, in the sense that that concept didn’t exist yet, even if we consider his behaviors to fit him in that category. That identity didn’t exist anymore than being “straight” did.

[@richardscathouse]

Triggered?

[@levinoseberg4284]

I dunno man... hunting down dat Anatolian boi pucci is pretty gay.

[@CraftyChicken91]

Okay, sure, in so many words. He wasn't gay, he just exclusivly had sex, and romance with men. And that pissed people off. Or we could just use the modern day shorthand and say he was gay you fucking nerd.

[@antthegord9411]

@@CraftyChicken91 lold

[@dyan3568]

Gay and homosexual are simply just modern terms for people who have same sex relations. In Roman times they were many names used and they would differ depending on if you took the 'dominant' or 'passive' role' in the sexual act/relationship. So those terms may not have existed then, but people attracted to the same sex most certainly did. Hadrian was one of those people. So maybe stop arguing semantics and accept that history is gayer than some people like to believe. And keep this in mind, just because someone was married it doesn't mean that they were straight. It just means they had to follow the norms of their society because to not do could lead to social suicide, imprisonment, torture, death or all of the above. Something which still holds true in many places today.

[@ronaldvronca8999]

To close to mic.

[@staygoldponyboy8881]

Naturally feeling the effect of 20 years on the throne🤣

[@yaboyed5779]

What a flex🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@pzahyu273]

Jw jw jw...

[@QWERTY19905]

Slept watching sth I don't remember, yt autoplay was on, now somehow I know that Caesar screwed over Germans, Hadrian wasn't a great architect and was deRomanizing the empire, also I think there was a Gay relationship in there, and Romans had some Law around Pedophilia legitimizing an older man relations with a younger boy,.... *I'm a happier man now, thank you*

[@josefmaster1188]

Hadrian was a disgrace, 50 years later the empire was falling apart beacause the bad descision of defence over attack, poor Marcus and thank god for Aurelianus 100 years later, without them the wolrd would be very diferent, Kuietus would have been the most convinient succesor of Traijan. not the greekling.

[@pharaohsmagician8329]

Good to think about, what do you think the World would have been like had those men died? Restitutor Orbis

[@goodsolonius7305]

As if the Germans and Sassanids would have allowed Rome to rule all of Germania and Mesopotamia indefinitely. Your hero Aurelian abandoned Dacia why?

[@pharaohsmagician8329]

@@goodsolonius7305 Ah, Solonius. Why how pleasent it is to see you here in the comment section for once. Perhaps the Pits have closed?

[@goodsolonius7305]

@@pharaohsmagician8329 I Don’t favor the pits. I prefer to do battle in the arena, with honor

[@Kyle_Schaff]

@@pharaohsmagician8329 Hey, I don’t know if you remember me. I’m relistening through the podcast again and mindlessly scrolling through the comments. Just wanted to pop into your notification feed and say I regret being hostile towards you back then-it was uncalled for

[@Pandacous]

Please tell me why Hadrian is viewed as a “good” emperor. Pretty much everything he did undermined Rome and what made it great. Whether it was undermining Roman authority or Roman policies. Sure he built great works but so did Nero and Caligula. He withdrew from Trajans conquests that of which made Rome seen as a second coming of Augustus. That and he had a fundamental dissolution with that of what made Rome great. Rome was made by conquests. Whenever it conquered people it destroyed its culture and replaced it with Roman culture. Then they put their collective boot on the throat of anyone who was left or committed genocide to replace the land with roman citizens. See Caeser for proof as he systematically destroyed Gaul and forged it into a roman Province. Trajan did the same even conquering Romes ancient enemy Parthia. Hadrian withdrew sure but not just from Trajans legacy but from Roman ideas and policy. Please someone defend Hadrian I want to be wrong but as far as I see he wasn’t as hot as he is remembered.

[@fourthaeon9418]

no idea, maybe the same reason as Nerva by association with Trajan

[@Pandacous]

Dirty D Disagrees because he killed the jews?

[@slim420-e8v]

Because he was openly gay.

[@Moribus_Artibus]

He was no Nero and Caligula but he certainly was no Trajan or even Vespasian

[@histguy101]

Could they have held mesopotamia for that long? Not everyone could be converted to "Roman," such as the Germanic tribes, or the tribes north of Hadrians wall, who simply couldn't be conquered and Romanized. The Romans were beginning to learn one of the most important lessons that helped them last for so much longer; that you don't just obliterate the enemies on your border, as their absense might lead to someone far more dangerous moving in. You simply try to keep them pruned. BTW, Trajan conquered Dacia. Guess who moved into Dacia a century later? The much more dangerous Goths

[@CooleyFord]

Ain't it great to be Gay?

[@michaelfisher7170]

@David Sibbald And yet evolution hasn't selected against it, as heterosexual couples keep making gay kids.

[@michaelfisher7170]

@David Sibbald Right. Its always been a minority within the larger population. So it has no bearing, excepting personal offspring production, on evolution. And even that can be overcome these days with technology. So its basically a non issue.

[@richardscathouse]

Not when your position requires heirs.

[@theConquerersMama]

Roman law/tradition did not require an heir of the body. Heirs could be adopted and even passed over a man's natural children. Adults often adopted other adults as their heirs. The adoptee then taking their name or form of it as well as the inheritance. Also fun fact, gay men (and women) can produce children. Just not with their lover.

[@dittmannrudolfrohr2149]

@@michaelfisher7170 Gays recruit, not reproduce.

[@johnwayne7621]

Great content, but it is in no way charming to hear the inner workings of your mouth. Move the mic further away for christ sake!

[@-timaeus-9781]

Lol, he made this ten years ago.

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