Rome Defeats Their Ancient Enemy: The Siege of Veii

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@shock_n_Aweful Жыл бұрын

I really appreciate how you point out the unlikelihood of Livy's account and provided possibly realities. Most people that watch this kind of content are very curious about what happened but may not consider how accurate it all is. We should always take history with a grain of salt and need to be on our toes if we care about what is real.

@idiottalkshistory Жыл бұрын

You are exactly right! That's how history evolves and improves! Thanks for watching!

@mattosborne2935 Жыл бұрын

Veii likely had resupply by river. Instead of one continuous siege, the Romans kept some sort of observation post within sight of Veii, making more than one attempt to take the city over the years. There are other examples of lengthy "sieges" like that, such as Basing House in the English Civil War, that are really protracted campaigns featuring multiple storming attempts because the attacker lacked the resources to entirely surround the enemy city or fortress. Compare the size of this Roman army with the one Caesar had at Alesia, for example. I have not studied this siege in depth but it fits a familiar frame.

@idiottalkshistory Жыл бұрын

It's certainly possible. The real issue here is that Livy, who is basically our only source for this siege, is really light on details. Because of that we are basically left in the dark on how Veii managed to resupply itself. Personally, I subscribe to your second point. I would imagine Rome left a small force, just enough to keep a permanent presence near the city year round but there would periodically be a strengthening of that force followed by a new attempt to take the city. I think you are right though, it would certainly fit what we know about the dynamic between the two in the centuries before. Thanks for watching!

@teddyjackson1902 Жыл бұрын

What’s crazy is when you look at a map and realize how close rome and veii were to one another. You could have walked between them in a day.

@anglowarrior7970 Жыл бұрын

Awesome Video Man ❤, Loved it. Keep pumping this out, Excited for the Roman-Sennone War and the Sack of Rome.

@MrAntifreezer Жыл бұрын

Just found your channel and I'd say your content, specifically this more in-depth way of overviewing a specific event, is a great niché for you. A sort of Historia Civilis lite, touching on topics that he hasn't focused on all that much. Keep up the great work, I hope you keep focusing on this type of content!

@masscreationbroadcasts Жыл бұрын

As someone whose favourite mobile game is Populus Romanus and played the Veii campaign at least 30-50 times, this video is a blessing.

@WelcomeToDERPLAND Жыл бұрын

I love it when archaeologists and historical references start to line up with reality- it feels good to have the ancients words which are so often disregarded by historians- finally vindicated.

@juanlapuente833 Жыл бұрын

A ten years' siege was almost the staple back then, most of the time, armies stopped fighting during the winter, giving time to the "besieged" to go outside to gather food and even to grow crops. For instance, a well documented historic one, Numantia in Hispania, was even longer. The Roman Republic started the attacks against the city in 153 BC and didn't manage to take it until 133 BC, using overwhelmingly superior forces and even elephants at some point. Only when Rome sent its best general and completely surrounded the city with a wooden wall and 7 military camps could they defeat the besieged by starvation.

@LCCWPresents 4 ай бұрын

I’m glad someone is covering the kingdom period. It’s uncovered.

@TarpeianArchives Жыл бұрын

Could you make a playlist of your roman history videos but in chronological order?

@idiottalkshistory Жыл бұрын

Yep, been meaning to do that for a while just keeps slipping my mind! But I'll go ahead and do that today.

@Historiehomme Жыл бұрын

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@MonsieurChapeau Жыл бұрын

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@massimopigneto9633 Жыл бұрын

Great video! Keep this kind of content coming, I learned quite a lot :)

@samuraipenguin8120 Жыл бұрын

wow, really intresting video from an under rated channel, keep it up your videos are great

@therae4988 11 ай бұрын

I'd like that cities on the map stayed the same form video to video, or at least that you show the relevant ones from previous videos.

@jeffkitson9565 Жыл бұрын

Can I ask what are your sources for this? There is so much detail here, I never realized we knew so much about Rome during these formative years.

@idiottalkshistory Жыл бұрын

There is a list in the description! But the main primary, or sort of primary, source is Ab Urbe Condita by Livy. In terms of modern reading I would recommend, Mary Beard's SPQR: A History of Ancient Rome. SPQR is an excellent starting point for anyone looking into Rome's early years and I really cannot recommend it enough! Thanks for watching!

@shock_n_Aweful Жыл бұрын

5:52 which is exactly what happened later

@BiggestCorvid Жыл бұрын

It's the Gracchi quote about the beasts of the air and sea having their homes but the honorable soldiers don't even have a shred of land to call their own.

@idiottalkshistory Жыл бұрын

Yep, it's really always a good idea to make sure your troops are happy!

@sneakyviewing4391 Жыл бұрын

Dude your videos are pretty awesome but you gotta put this in chronological order.

@kobalt6927 Жыл бұрын

Dude tells story in 4d

@idiottalkshistory Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I've been meaning to do that but everything I think about it I'm away from my computer. Will put a playlist together today that will be in chronological order. I'll keep adding to it as time goes on. Thanks for watching and for the suggestion!

@BiggestCorvid Жыл бұрын

@idiottalkshistory you're inspiring me. I spent like a week figuring out wtf was going on with Veii after my second listening of Mike Duncan's history of Rome. Wait, it's like right there? They can just walk over therr and fight? And THOSE r@pists and murderers set up a city right on your supply chain? I almost felt bad for Veii.

@idiottalkshistory Жыл бұрын

That's the goal! I've often wondered if Rome didn't somehow start as a challenge to Veii's dominance over the Tiber. We have no historical sourcing that would say that it did but it is interesting how a city just so happens to pop up along the major trade route of one of Etruria's most powerful cities. I don't know, and we probably never will for sure, but it's really interesting to think about!

@quin2392 Жыл бұрын

This is nice, i think we need more early roman history cuz everything seems to put the spotlight on the roman republic or the empire

@Colddirector Жыл бұрын

Personally, I think at least part of the mining story may be true, I don't see why they'd lie about doing something as sacrilegious as digging through a temple floor for a military victory. Although maybe if they did use those sewers, the Temple of Juno was the most viable exit point for their army? Who knows. Edit: Now that I think about it, it could also be the Romans way of saying they had Juno's favour before they destroyed her host city. Them entering the city through her temple could be seen as Juno "letting" them into the city, perhaps? I'm just spitballing here.

@idiottalkshistory Жыл бұрын

I think that theory is on the right track to be honest. When you combine the exit point with the prayer uttered by Marcus Furius before battle, it feels more like a plea to Juno for divine sanction. And if the Romans received that sanction then it would make sense that after emerging from the Temple they easily won the day. We'll probably never know for sure but I do think this is the right track. Thanks for watching!

@frankfischer1281 Жыл бұрын

When reading of historical events that occurred during Romes' early Republic, as written-of by later Roman sources, it is wise to be be slightly sceptical. By the time of the writers, most of the events written about had acquired semi-mythical status to the Romans of later periods.

@idiottalkshistory Жыл бұрын

Couldn't have said it better myself!

@cliffgulliver4626 Жыл бұрын

Great video new info to me.

@restitutororbis675 Жыл бұрын

New roman history youtuber found before becoming famous

@johnmcnutt8089 Жыл бұрын

You can accomplish a lot with little time when you have an army.

@phys1c Жыл бұрын

Really nice!

@AloisWeimar Жыл бұрын

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@Saqux Жыл бұрын

Great video

@Dutchcardcollector1 Жыл бұрын

beautifull video❤

@despothabsburg8689 Жыл бұрын

Does this channel have a discord server?

@idiottalkshistory Жыл бұрын

Not yet, it's something I've been considering setting up but I was unsure if anyone would actually use it to be honest! If that's something you would be interested in, I will definitely start to set one up!

@despothabsburg8689 Жыл бұрын

@@idiottalkshistory Please do! Would be great to have a discord to chat with people about history and Rome.

@gg_plays7647 Жыл бұрын

theres a server that does that and plays a strategy game called territorial io its a game where you conquer nations until theres only one the clan is in top 7 in there and rising slowly just like rome

@gg_plays7647 Жыл бұрын

ill give the link but it keeps deleting for no reason automatically each 30 secs

@a1990hussain Жыл бұрын

*sigh* guess I'm thinking about the roman empire again today...

@matthiasthulman4058 Жыл бұрын

Every day, brother. Every day.

@sdhflkjshdfskdhfskljdhf582 Жыл бұрын

Republican Rome, with nice maps, with boxes smashing into eachother rather than cartoons, no British accent, and fully sourced? Now this is my kind of idiot talking history, subbed

@Avinkwep Жыл бұрын

How do you make these maps with the boxes? Are they all drawn?

@idiottalkshistory Жыл бұрын

Yes! I draw the maps in Photoshop and then use Premiere Pro to animate the boxes moving around on the map. That's probably why they don't look the best! Thanks for watching!

@Avinkwep Жыл бұрын

@@idiottalkshistory actually I think they look really good! This is a great channel, early Roman history is my favorite period of history and I think you’re doing a great job covering it!