Romila Thapar on how Sufis converted Punjabis to Islam |

[@qrx4057]

She makes it sound like Sufism isn't "Quranic Islam" or sunni Islam. Baba Fareed, Moinuddin Chishti and Nizamuddin were all very orthodox sunni Muslims and were in fact very "Quranic"

[@ranjittyagi9354]

Yes

[@mirzainternational2023]

True

[@PantheraPardus-Fk]

Yes but their followers are not Quranic . . Later on a lot of more fabricated stories and hadith were added..some have gone to an extend of not even practicing salah.. mixed ideas from other faiths such as pantheism, panentheism,which are not part of islam are still believed and taught by many so called sufis..etc.

[@Dheeraj-y4f]

Basically in those medivel, early modern period of india hinduism and islam often met a syncretic form. Many of indians identified themselves on basis of caste, geographical area rather than as muslim or a hindu. But after the arrival of british and their colonisation. British started to conduct census based in religion and caste. These led indians to adopt a firm identity on basis of religion or caste which gradually erased the syncretism of islam and hindu. Further radicalism started to develop between the religion atlast ended in partitioning india on basis of religion.

[@idolwrecker]

All the sufis are sunnis. All the sufis preached only and only Islam. They conquered hearts of the people . And only Allah swt can open the hearts of people towards Islam .

[@jiqbal8480]

Indonesia is the Largest Muslim populated country in the world the question is there were no wars and no forced conversions yet Islam spread out in the country 🌹the reason was they were so impressed by the Arab Traders and their honesty and humbleness and behaviour and Love and respect to humanity and that made them come in to Islam 🌹

[@vinsin328]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padri_War

[@oh_and_mee]

Are you native Indonesian? Or have you studied the Indonesian history?

[@azadgill8764]

And why there is only one example ?

[@softrical]

stop promoting your religion. she is talking about sects in India. Don't digress the topic

[@prasantakumarpadhi4399]

All crap!Many temples and viharas were demolished by them.Same in Malaysia.

[@escapistreader3860]

The title is misleading. She said that they converted people to sects, not the conventional religion of Islam.

[@shubhamrai8575]

Romila thapar is leftist ..who hate hindus

[@greater4044]

Munafiqs triggered, who has no even single role in Islam

[@ramachandraks1]

The whole history weaved by then is misleading

[@MathaGoram]

The "eminent" skipped the "archaeological" fact, soon to be declared by SCI, that Hinduism was flourishing in South Asia long before the Out of Africa humans originated. Long before the Buddhists were exiled.

[@muhammadsuleman9328]

​Ishlam jindabad ❤️ 🇧🇩

[@Vibhorpsingh]

Knowledge speaks for itself... No emotional rhetoric, no awful hatred spewing... Pure facts with organic rationale

[@akashsinha2880]

Bot comments speak for false knowledge 😂😂😂

[@PradeepC-d2c]

"Organic rationale" OK lord Byron

[@tarunyadav7026]

lol sufism ??? how much sufism survived in punjab??? guru teg bahadur was beheaded due to refusal to convert, sahibzade were alive into wall due to non refusal to convert, bhai mati das sati das were cutted with saw , one was boiled in hot water for refusal to convert , even ladakh was converted due to mughal army asking the king to convert to islam for their help against chinese inavder ,read rarther than being in propagand

[@pramod6898]

Classic tactics of the woke

[@softrical]

@@tarunyadav7026 arre bhai rao sahab.. bohot baad ki history me parvesh kr gaye aap. peeche dekho peeche🤣

[@ranapratapsingh9479]

How these sufi converts became staunch sunni Muslims is not explained. The present day western Punjabis who are avowed sunni Muslims carry no traces of softness of Sufism, their transition point of conversion from traditional Hinduism. The tenderness of Sufi sect did not last long. The devotion to the divine Self with all it's sweetness soon lapsed into hard tenets of their present day belief. If it were not for simultaneous entry of Sikhism on the scene, the strategic picture in the Indian subcontinent would have been totally different.

[@snathan3198]

Virus mutates non-stop to more deadly strains.

[@Yamberzal123]

Inherent fault with human beings is they turn cruel with the passage of time

[@MuhammedAhmed-tk2lx]

Madrassa deoband and madrassa baraeli become quite active during late 1800s and later they got support from govt of pakistan

[@vinsin328]

They were always Sunni.

[@oh_and_mee]

The Good Cop - Bad Cop strategy.

[@si8lk]

Is she saying the Gorahknath Math is not Hindu? What is she smoking? Her point regarding Nath Pantis being outside Hinduism is just plain ingenious. They are heterodox for sure, but very much Hindu.

[@truthmaker700]

Learn to pay attention instead of jumping to conclusions without listening properly. There's a reason why she is a world famous historian. And you are? Most probably BJP IT cell Propaganda worker?

[@RashidG1985]

Hindu wasn't even a proper term for vedic or puranic beliefs before your master, the british raj and their scholars, invented it as such in the early 1900's

[@tridanimez]

​​@@RashidG1985It wasn't the British who coined this usage of the term Hindu, it was Muslims. And the coined it far before the early 1900s. You are a historical ignoramus.

[@tridanimez]

​@@RashidG1985It wasn't the British who coined this usage of the term Hindu, it was Muslims. You are a historical ignoramus.

[@AmjadAli-rh1kz]

Read Quran The book from almighty who created the universe n human

[@vijaynair6161]

@@AmjadAli-rh1kz It is a total fabrication and essentially copied from Torah and Bible. Of the so called 7 holy “original’ Qurans spread to different parts of the Muslim world, NONE were the same. Quran was written in above forms almost 200 years after Muhammad’s death and the Sira (Muhammad’s life story) is 300 years after his death. The hadiths were interpretations “under the guidance” of the Arab leadership at the point and according to his whims and fancies. These are undisputed truths. Unfortunately.

[@terrytzaneros8007]

The Grande Dame of Bharat's History.

[@iamreallyright]

Grand perception, not the reality. She has painted according g to her personal orientation.

[@dcmhsotaeh]

South Indians went out side India and conquered entire south east Asia spread Hinduism Buddhism there Rastrakoota empire conquerd srilanka Vijaynagar empire kings ruled over parts of Burma No North Indian Hindu king went westward and conquered Iran turkey Central Asia etc

[@jiqbal8480]

AR Rahman is South Indian Tamil who’s previous name was Dilip kumar 🌹I wonder who forced him to convert

[@skengene]

You are as dumb as romila thapar dude😂 have you not heard of chandragupta maurya, asoka, maharaja ranjit singh who conquered parts of afghanistan which toda is called durand line. Read history first , dont sit on ur ass and listen to what udayanidi stalin or his dad keeps saying.

[@vinsin328]

Those were infertile lands. Also, the north was ruled by Brahmavad, not Hindus.

[@abdulrahamanashraffi4866]

Because those fellow came from central Asia not native indian native are south people dravid en s

[@Kannada_First]

Damn good point ❤

[@007Parmar]

Jahangir was afraid of the teachings of Sikh Gurus because due to the influence of Sikh Gurus, conversion of Hindus by the so-called Sufis was drastically reduced. These so-called Sufis used karamaats to influence common Hindus folks to ultimately convert them into Islam. When that conversion was badly hit by the influence of Sikhism, Jahangir was annoyed and ordered the execution of Guru Arjan Dev Ji.

[@syedhassan4149]

The trigger for Guru Arjan's execution was his support for Jahangir's rebel son Khusrau Mirza

[@tsParamesh]

Sufis,jihadist ,bigots,terrorists are all same ,these fake historians self styled bogus , like romilla tapur Irfan Habib etc spreading lies about these so called terrorists!? They should be expelled from India first, immediately

[@yetigumba]

thats totally wrong historically seen. jahangir and his father actually ave grants and alms to sikh gurus. but the gurus were like tribal leaders or god kins (like muhammad or dalai lamas or pope) and maintained sins of royalty like personal army, minting coins, keeping royal elephants , hawks and eagles, making people give taxes disguised as religious duties and so on. also the converts were mainly low caste hindus like jats and other dalits. gurus gave lured them with high caste symbols like tying dastaar, singh as last name and carrying weapons which only high caste hindus were allowed. so the mughals thought of closing the parallel states run by sikh guru families in mughal lands and punished them. which was fair imo. if some one tried to run a parallel state with security forces ,jails courts and parallel taxation, wouldnt modi pinush those?

[@DurraniJay]

😂😂😂

[@gopaalpande7167]

​@@yetigumbayou jokers biased with small knowledge of history , islsm is not religion ,it's political movement

[@workhardt2]

Is this a recent video ? Bc Romila is now in her 90s yet here she is speaking with so much energy and knowledge.

[@vijaynair6161]

@@workhardt2 warped truth. A curse to majority of Indians. Furthering the cause of the invaders & jihadis. Also giving a free pass to the atrocities meted out to our people by the white colonists.

[@Dheeraj-y4f]

If Pakistani can become a muslim country Then india should become a hindu country

[@sibtainnaqvi9929]

Hats off, my lady. Wisdom for all❤❤❤❤

[@TRS-y8u]

No invaders were welcomed either with tongue or swords.i m Punjabi a proud Hindu never accepted any bullshit

[@DurraniJay]

😂😂

[@MrJabirmansuri]

There is no compulsion! Freedom to exercise option, natural.

[@laulaksiddique6160]

Hindus literally love bullshit

[@smartbear9598]

You are already following bulshit😂😂😂 Leave that bullshit and worship the creator not the creation

[@sukhvindermangat1087]

(Someone who doesn't know Punjabis are "Outsiders" to the subcontinent)😂😂😂 Taller, Lighter Skin than the Rest of the Population...

[@gauthampadmanabhan9004]

A very brave historian unlike the boot lickers of Rss

[@IrfanAli-bi9dy]

As a student of history I can say that she rightly explain everything

[@KishoreKumar-mb7in]

Don't worry now the evangelist are completing the sufi unfinished task 😮

[@MuhammadIsmail-r7c]

What a knowledgeable and noble speaker. Her research is great.. Hats off.

[@RajveriKadal-ei8rp]

very informative, as a Muslim, I believe that Sufi Islam is quite different than what the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said in his last sermon " I have completed your Deen ( way of life ) today stay steadfast to this Deen " Our rituals are a means to an end and that is purification of the soul and body..

[@user-uz5cq4xo5h]

Many Arora Khatris & Lohanas had been converted by a Sufi Sant Nizari. Does Sufism have any rational, Scientific philosophy? If yes than any particular book on that? I don't think that there is any darshan Or philosophy Sufism does have. And Nath Panth ideology is based on Sankhya & Advaita philosophy,

[@KalashnikovCult]

The Satpanth which later was known as Khoja...Pir Saddruddin was smartly masking beliefs

[@al-kimiya6962]

Wahdatul Wujud of Shaykh Al Akbar Muhyiuddin Ibn Arabi RA Ishraqiyyun of Shahab al-Din Suhrawardi RA Kalam tradition of Al Ghazali RA, Al Razi RA etc. Falsafa of Al Kindi RA, Ibn Sina RA and Ibn Rushd RA Irfan tradition of the likes of Mulla Sadra RA Ismaili radical negative theology There's plenty.

[@zakymalik6920]

There Are Lots of Different Tariqas among the sufis you can go through different books written on it if you want to understand it in terms of their philosophy you can go though works like • Imam Ghazali's Ihya uloom ud din (Revival of Islam), Mishkat al anwar (Niche of Light, Sufi Philosophy), Maqasid al-Falasifa (Aims/Intentions of Philosophers) & Tahafut al falasifah (Critiques of Philosophers), Maqasid al-asna Sharh asma al husna (Commentry on Names & Attributes of Allah), Kimiya e sadat (Alchemy of Happiness) etc ... • Hadiqat al Haqiqah (Garden of Truth) by Hakim Sana'i on Sufi Philosophy • Essence of Reality by Ayn al Qudat (Translation by Mohammad Rustom) & Inrushes of Heart - Sufi Philosophy of Ayn al Qudat by Mohammad Rustom (He's Student of Imam Ghazali indirect and Direct Student of Imam abu hamid Ghazali's younger brother Ahmad Ghazali) • Persian Metaphysics & Mysticism - Aziz Ud Din Nasafi by Llyod Ridgeon and same author have written lot of books on nasafi you can go through thoose as well • Muqaddimat of Dawud al Qaysari on Sharh of Fusus Al Hikam of Ibn Arabi its by English title - Horizon of Being by Mukhtar Ali and you can also read Philosophical Sufism school of Ibn Arabi by same scholars. • You can also go though Makhtubat of shaykh ahmad sirhindi which is also translated in english in parts plus you can also Go though Faith Piety and Practice - An Excerpt from the Maktubat-i Imam-i Rabbani (Translated by Irshad Alam) • And Understanding it from the perspective of anthropology and Sociology you can also go though A Conclusive Argument from God (Hujjat Allah hi-l Baligah) translated by Marcia K.Hermansen or Socio-political thoughts of Shah Waliullah by Muhammad Al-Ghazali plus he had also written on Metaphysics of Sufism as well like : Al-Budur Al-bazigah lama'at sata'at these are translated in English and avilable on internet as well And For understanding its Genesis and Development of Sufism in Indian context you can Go though • A History of Sufism in India (Vol. 1 & 2) By Saiyid Athar Abbas Rizvi i can add more but you can pick but first Go Though it thoroughly to get Idea of what is it about

[@WaseemRaja-bq6xf]

Read Quran And Hadith And After that Kashaf al majoob by Ali Hajveri Data Ganj Bakhsh R.a of Lahore. After that you may be able to understand what Sufis actually mean.

[@shantanughosh8229]

Sufism is nothing but Hinduised islam. When Islam came to Central Asia , the region was totally Buddhist/Hindu. This people converted but were like crypto jews. On the surface islam , internally totally DHARMIC. Let me explain. These people quickly declared that they fully accept the basic tenet of islam , last prophet , one god blah blah blah. Then the fun begins. In practice they did things that is totally ananthema and sacrilegious to islam. Like their Desire to be one with God(Totally hindu concept , in islam there is no such thing , you die , you have judgement , if heaven then 72 virgins , if hell then get fried in hot oil) there practice of walking naked so as suppress all desire and sensibility (Totally hindu like the yogis , Nath sect etc)

[@anupkumar6714]

Prof Thapar needs some serious relearning about Sufis of Central Asia from original Persian and Arabic sources. Baba Farid was born in Multan and became a follower of Khwaja Bhaktiyar Kaki, a Sunni Sufi who was traveling to be in Delhi.

[@19174975]

Khorasan, mostly today’s Afghanistan not Persia . Central Asia consists of Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, kirqizistan, tadjikistan and Afghanistan, known as Khorasan up to late 19th century .

[@jsm3692]

Thanks for the clarification.

[@MullBatoora-kf6cj]

Lol no khorasan was Iran province in Sassanid rule, from lut dessert to Suleman mountain range lol i think you never saw the khorasan map ever.

[@jagdeepsandhu9659]

Very erudite ,well spoken and lucidly explained the complex amalgamation of 11 , 12 ,13 th century Punjab .

[@MMAFactoryTeam]

I’ve not seen the word erudite used since I read skin in the game. Nassim taleb

[@escapistreader3860]

Absolutely brilliant...so correct...anyone who really understands (on both sides) can vouch for this....The title is misleading though, sufis drew people to their own sects, not the conventional religion of Islam.

[@samchalohana4423]

It's not just Punjab , Sindh Kutch and Gujrat were also converted by Sufis esp followers of Ismaili Imams , besides conversion they were collecting Zakar Usher and Khums, withthe name Dasond still prevalent in Agha khanis

[@ScindianLad]

In Sindh sufism isn't any sect or religion, it's more of like behavior, nature, thinking and emotion. Sufis in Sindh don't have any different religious ideology, but rather the behavioral and emotional aspects. Every Sindhi is sufi regardless of their religion or sect. A Sindhi Shia is as sufi as a Sunni Sindhi, or a hindu Sindhi. We consider wahabism to be very extremist and orthodox sect. But even Sindhi wahabi are sufic in nature, they are not as extreme as other wahabis. And such nature and behavior of Sindhi people is since ancient times, we Sindhis also do not divide ourselves on religion basis just like other parts of south Asia. For example a Muslim Sindhi isnt entirely Muslim, and a hindu isnt entirely hindu. There's sort of greyness in between. We don't see colors, items, things, names as a religion. Which I feel elsewhere in south asia is very strong. But unfortunately it is changing due to other people discriminating us on this behavior. For example in Sindh the sufi color is safron not green. But a muhajir or Punjabi would mock us saying you are hindu not Muslim. Now for a Muslim to say that you are less Muslim, its very big thing, so he would rather abandon that thing which makes him less Muslim.

[@DivineWolf9]

@ScindianLad, You've explained it so beautifully 👏👏👏. Yes, the real Sufi integrates all religions since he/she witnesses the Truth of God in all religions. The Sufi is more interested in inversion than conversion. Invert the attention within yourself rather than outside yourself in search of God. Allaah is the Light within you says the Quran. God is the Light within you says the Bible. Bhagwaan is the Divya Jyothi within you says the Gita. Guru Nanak Dev emphasized the same. Kabir Das propounded the same. In fact, this is the central truth found in all religions of the world, & yet the followers are distracted by the illusions created by mullaahs, pundits priests and the politicians. The Sufis awaken the spirit of truth, the spark of God within our own body temples. Sufis are not against any religion. Sufis do not belong to any one religion. As per the Sufi views, there is only one true religion in the world and that is Hu-manity. The purpose of religion is to help mankind find God within their own selves and then witness God in all others. God is ever present everywhere, in everyone and in everything. There's nothing devoid of God. This is affirmed in the Bible, in the Gita and in the Gurugranth Sahib. The same is declared in the Quran as "Innallaha ala kulli shay'in muheet". Knowing this truth makes a Sufi go beyond all religions and merge with God. However, the Sufis use allegories from the Quran and islamic literature due to the fact that they are an off shoot of the mystical teachings of Prophet Mohammed. All religions have 2 aspects, the outer and the inner aspect. The inner aspect of Islam is Sufism. This makes the Sufis appear to be muslims. But the fact is that they belong to all religions. Historically speaking, the Sufis have been under scathing attacks by the traditional muslim community. Alhilaj Masoor was crucified for speaking out of the inner aspects publicly. Shams Tabrez was flogged and deskinned. Sufi Sarmad was beheaded... The persecution of Sufis continues even in this age. In the year 2023 more than 45 Sufi masters all across Indonesia were assassinated and their followers were persecuted. Imagine that! Sufi masters who speak fearlessly are always harassed everywhere as they appears to be heretic and blasphemous. In fact, what they speak is nothing but the truth! Alaas, the world is never ever ready for truth. It is always the few exceptional souls who take up this adventure of finding out and living the eternal truth 🌈🌹

[@Dheeraj-y4f]

Iam from india, i had read that sindh is much secular compared to other provinces, even during partition there were very less riots reported in sindh compared to punjab or bengal. Many of the hindus even decided to remain in sindh rather than migrating to india. I read the sindh still holds a hindu minority around 10-15%. And a districts having hindu majority Spread peace❤

[@kc711]

The finishing line is marvelous!

[@saleemraza1855]

I heard about miss thappar i am happy to see her on you tube lots of love and respect from Punjab Pakistan

[@biswaruppaul8841]

In whole of India the Rule of Islam was simple. The choice was between the Devil and the Deep Sea. Actually there was no choice at all. Because of the sacrifices of the Sikh Gurus and Shivaji and Shambhaji and the revolts by the billigerent Jat Hindus the Hindu and Sikh Punjabis are still breathing and kicking, otherwise the borders of Pakistan would have started from Ghaziabad.

[@endeavour1349]

Things were not that black and white.

[@dcmhsotaeh]

Don’t forget Kannada Hoysala dynasty king Veera Ballala III And of course Emperor Krishnadevaraya of Vijaynagar empire

[@bijoydasudiya]

Yours is a traditional Sanghi attitude and point of view. Islam spread by Dawat, social inequality in the Hindu society, for loaves and fishes and the last reason is by force. The Sufis in contrast to the Salafis and Wahabis believed in working for the good of mankind. Yes, the Arabic peninsula based on orthodox Islam did convert the Persians and the Egyptians. But in every scenario it's not the same equation throughout. Otherwise, Aurangzeb could have converted all Hindus to Islam. 80% of the army was made up of Rajputs who followed their religion. So also in the Maratha army many top military officials were Muslims. So your narrative that it was Dharma Yuddha is false.

[@yetigumba]

wtf bro?? why would shivaji maratha do to protect hindus? he was a minor commander in mughal court himself, sucked mughals balls before dooing his treason to the kings same with govind singh , he literally fought under aurangzeb's son in rajasthan as a minor army commander.

[@naseerzafar76]

Punjabi is an Ethnicity, not a faith.

[@sreeramank.n9999]

What is the proof for what she is telling.

[@nondescripthuman]

If you go through the mantras and history of Nath Yogis, especially the Shabar mantras you will release the syncretism did exist

[@BabuTK-f5l]

Nothing but the Historical artifacts. She is very much based on objective evidence.

[@SlayerOfEvil007]

@@BabuTK-f5l biggest joke of the year...she has been caught red handed on a dozen of occasion making or rather manufacturing pillars and scripts. Go and read history, Commie babu

[@i.patel92]

Guys, Sufism is the spiritual branch of Islam (science of the heart). It is present in both Sunni and Shiism For example, Baba Farid and Nizamuddin Awliya were both Sunni scholars... In the past 2 centuries, certain puritan movements have tried to push it outside of Islam.

[@al-kimiya6962]

Shias have irfan which is different from Tasawwuf, all Sufi Tariqas are Sunni.

[@Syed_Mehdi_1]

What is "puritan movement" ?

[@MullBatoora-kf6cj]

Actually they educated People about vedic Dharam and People realised it's totally flawed and illogical.

[@Dheeraj-y4f]

Stupid opinion

[@ss-ib8gm]

The word buddparasthy came for idolatry among Muslims is when Muslim invaders came they first encountered Buddhist statues which they destroyed and has been destroying till recently bamiyan Buddhist statues by talibani she lacks knowledge

[@Naheed_]

There is only one Islam, not Shia or Sunni. The followers from any religion can't change the fundamentals of religion, but the event or explanation books can divide their thoughts later on without being disturbing fundamentals of religion. So the follower is solely responsible and answers in judgment day for his own actions.

[@mansooraqureshi2696]

Now, some Punjabis are converted to Christianity.... Why is that.? Sufism is intellectual part of Sunni- Shia Islam., it is not away from the basic tennets of Islam....one has to understand that.

[@vinsin328]

Sufism doesn't exist in the Arab world. People have the right to convert.

[@chopaal7259]

SOCIAL system of local society was not providing equality and in old time people accepted islam and now accepting Christianity,,,,,,,,,

[@MullBatoora-kf6cj]

Lol some lower cast oppressed Hindu converters to Christianity for bread and butter only.

[@Dheeraj-y4f]

Pakistani constitution never allows muslims to convert to other religion but indian punjab being liberal as the right to choose and covert to other religion whatever he feel comfortable.

[@ivarhakuse8572]

5:05 'Nath Panthis can not be included in the bracket of Hinduism. They are different, they are teaching a very different kind if Hinduism'. Fine, why dont we ask Nath Panthis what they consider themselves as rather than let it worry you so much? What did muslims consider Nath Panthis as? Religions always have a level of diversity amongst themselves. Ahmediyas are not considered Muslims by Sunnies or Shias, but when it came to laying the foundations of Pakistan, a nation built upon religious grounds, they played a prominent role and settled there Whether sunnies see them as muslim or not today is one matter, but quite importantly, they saw themselves as Muslims. The same goes for Nath Yogis. If teaching a very different Hinduism then in what way? And Hindus admit that they have a very large spectrum of practices and traditions. So a statenent like that is obviously going to be viewed with immense suspicion. Romila has unfortunately gained such a reputation amongst Indians as a Marxist historian and is therefore viewed with suspicion amongst a large section of indians. She does not help herself here.

[@amargoor]

very good rebuttal. but her point was india was collection of sects and nath panthi and sufi was sects which people got attracted too rather than the religions.

[@arunachalamhariharan9082]

She says that people wanted FLEXIBILITY . Does it mean , the men who were powerful in the society in those days WANTED RELIGIOUSLY APPROVED FREE SEX WITH MANY WIVES , WHO COULD BE THROWN OUT OF WED LOCK EASILY AND REPALCECD WITH A NEW WFE ? Only the WEAK ( both physical and mental resolve) allowed themselves to be converted and then these were lured to convert other weak men . This is the fact .The result is the MEJORITY CONVERTS WERE WEAK MENTALLY AND COULD NOT RAISE IN THE SOCIETY AND THEN RESOTED TO CRIME , ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL WAYS TO COPE UP WITH THEIR ECONOMIC LIVES . THE PROBLEM IS NOW FOR THE NATIVE HINDUS WHO ARE FORCEC TO DEAL WITH THESE HOME GROWM EVIL ELEMENTS . ONLY JAI SEETHARAM CAN HELP US .

[@mirzainternational2023]

Am a Sufi follower and sufis are of course pure sunni

[@mbchadha]

I wish even Romila Thapars family had converted to Islam. At least India would not have faced defeat in 1962 under her brother Gen. PN Thapar who was leading the Indian army directionless.

[@hil7850]

Were you there Mr. Keyboard warrior 🪖?

[@RashidG1985]

Why are you watching this video, you idiot? This isn't a military channel

[@MullBatoora-kf6cj]

Lol so you think you can win war with China today ❓

[@AurangzebAurangzeb-c3f]

Salo :with extremely hindu mind and bjp politics people like you are (deemak ) for India and rest of world

[@jasujavs]

If Sufis had converted them today why most of them are Sunnis and Shias?

[@al-kimiya6962]

Sufis aren't a distinct sect, all Sufi Tariqas come under Sunni denomination.

[@anandgv8712]

First of all Hinduism is not at all a religion. Sufism cannot be a religion based on Quran and Hadith. Your intention is misleading constitutional Hindus.

[@ravindersingh3498]

Salute to a great historian,

[@ChefbyMistake]

She is right 👉 Sufi converted Punjabis into various Sects like Shia Pubjabis, Sunni Punjabis and Sufi Punjabis who later converted into Ahnaddiya Islam.

[@yasirmehmood3064]

Wel Ahmadiya even today are a very small minority. Aa per Indian and Pakistan census and electoral records and election results the numbers ae not even enough to win a single seat , rest the muslims in Pakistani punjab alone are about 9 caroor which is 90 Million

[@PunjabiMuslim510]

Ahmadiyyaia is not muslim

[@Mohammadali-cs8gi]

the qadianis or so called ahmadis do not constitute any part of islam as they deny the basic tenet of the finality of the last prophet as accepted by the major sects of both sunni and shia. the assertion that the sufis were different from the mainstream sunnis is totally wrong, the sufis were adherents to Sunni doctrine while the shia influence came around the conquest of Nadir shah.

[@redbaron9029]

​@@yasirmehmood3064 Mr. Ghulam qadiani was a pawn of the britishers. Now a days a lot of people are leaving the jamaat as it has become a cult which extort money.

[@gunindersinghguron6726]

She is a very rational woman who has not been appreciated. ❤❤❤❤

[@RavinderKumar-s2n]

In the domain of historians the strength of convictions is not derived from the degree of truth

[@taherafazal9968]

Nowadays Sikhs increasingly converted to Christianity. Do she discuss this....

[@amjadsohail3253]

Nice presentation nothing but the truth but one thing i would mention she said Quranic Islam actually it was the religious clerics Islam .......everything she said were taught by my father many years ago

[@mazharbhatti1294]

THE WOMAN DOESN'T KNOW SUFI ARE ALWAYS SUNNI...😅

[@khurmiful]

Punjabi is mainly either a Sufi or a Sikh.

[@vijaygovind2134]

Punjabi is mainly either Sunni, Hindu or Sikh.

[@tarunyadav7026]

accha a sufi killed manmohan singh grandfather , killed milha singh whole family and raped and converted the ladies , typical converted arabic slave mindset

[@al-kimiya6962]

​@@vijaygovind2134Sufism isn't a sect, All Sufis are Sunnis.

[@chaitanyarakwal9727]

​​@@vijaygovind2134sunni is new sect,till now puja of pir is done in pakistani punjab. Sufis were always against sunnis . Even I know somebody in my ancestral village who is possessed by Soul of Pir and he starts speaking persian 😅 when he gets possessed

[@1954Saleem]

Very informative and interesting .

[@ss-ib8gm]

Traders Arab traders came in Kerala even before Islam and after Islam and settled in Kerala married yet they remained small population and were given land to built mosques by Hindu kings they married local fisherwoman that was peaceful until Gandhi khilfat movement came and moopilah attack happened .what happened in northwest was mainly invasion that why we see the friction in northwest she is whitewashing

[@arunshorey9009]

Just a lady who speaks good English. All else rubbish Ms propaganda thapar

[@noumanayyaz1248]

Mam Thapar is a famous historian but With all due respect I will disagree what she told about Sufi 'Islam'.

[@pashtoonkhan8548]

She doesn't even know ABC of Islam or the Islamic theory.

[@ਗੁਰਸਿਮਰਸਿੰਘ]

She is telling the truth that's what triggering you.

[@MullBatoora-kf6cj]

​@@ਗੁਰਸਿਮਰਸਿੰਘhe is right she(Romila) is Punjabi too why did Sufis fail to convert her ❓lol

[@ss-ib8gm]

Is she mad there were thriving agriculture and trade even before Muslim invaders came

[@aniketk6709]

Where to watch the full lecture ?

[@al-kimiya6962]

Naqshbandiyyah, Chistiyyah etc. in fact all Sufi Tariqas come under the fold of Sunni Islam.

[@ss-ib8gm]

Central Asia what was there earlier shamanism , Buddhism

[@adrinaomar322]

Also the birthplace of Zarathustra, religions of the Indo-European people, compilers of Hadith ...

[@SumanSourav66]

Who else buy her ticket these days ??

[@gunindersinghguron6726]

Any rational person

[@noumanayyaz1248]

Sufis were representatives of Sunni Islam (refrences are available) and there isnt any division like sufi Islam and 'other Islam'.

[@ABHISHEK-m2t4q]

@seagullpeaceworks Can you please ask Madam Romila that if Sufism was so great then still after 800 years of Islamic rule(Indian Sufi Rule) Romila why her name matching with Hindu name and why her ancestors did not converted into Islam ? Any pride or jealousy?

Another pseudo expert. This lady has no substance to debate with scholars like Malhotra

[@RashidG1985]

Do you mean Rajiv Malhotra? He isn't even a historian, you silly troll.. and you call Romila Thapar a pseudo-scientist 😂 who, by the way, is a professor of ancient India at the renowned JNU 😅

[@almurabitun]

Sufis are representative of Sunni Islam. What the heck are you talking about.

[@deception6666]

Everyone was unhappy with Hinduism except bhrahmins... So that's why millions left that.

[@anuragg-p8k]

Talwar aur zazia taxes were sufiana 😂😂

[@Ooooooooooooooooopkatkh]

Sati pratha, parasite caste system, women torture, child marriage, ect ect are blessings right😂😂😂😂😂😂..shame on ur upbringing

[@Doshanbe]

Who told you that WhatsApp university

[@jagdeepsandhu9659]

Not in the Punjab , no punjabi converted because of fear , they did for love and the upper caste hindus because of greed .

[@wriimonmir]

any prove?? evidence??

[@VijayGupta-zg5wy]

​@@Doshanbelibrandu breed 😂

[@John_O_Connor]

Once read majority Punjabi accepted Islam after the fall of the Mughal Empire when Marathas reached Punjab❗️

[@ਗੁਰਸਿਮਰਸਿੰਘ]

Not at all

[@preapple]

Sharia law has little to do with nascent Islam but mostly an outcome of abbbasid rule in Baghdad. Sharia law only entered India during the time of Aurangzeb . Indian Islam was syncretic and inclusive for a very long time. In the other hand even earlier Ummayad Islam was a form of chrislam.

[@Indo-Aryan9644]

Not Really, Delhi Sultanate were Farr Worse then Aurangjeb

[@gunindersinghguron6726]

History has to be taught without any bias as she does.

[@MA-iv1uj]

In my view conversion is a continous process and it will continue .some time forced sometime poverty getting higher rank n empire also liking other religion exploitation in own religion many other factor are responsible for it Today lots of people specially in punjab are converting to christianity

[@rafekxec3290]

This is all history, but why now punjabi are converting to Christianity why? There is no christian sufis.

[@kishwerchaudary-n4g]

THEY WERE LIARS, WHO CONVERTED US BY FEAR , FORE AND "MIRACLES" BASED ON TOTAL LIES.

[@vinsin328]

So same as Brahmavadi.

[@MullBatoora-kf6cj]

Lol now move to your origin no one will stop you lol

[@saifrehman3630]

Thanks for sharing ❤

[@Vijaya-u8l]

Are Nivruttinath and ध्ञानेश्वर the brothers belong to different religions?

[@mygoogleno1but188]

Truth is beyond the boundaries of any race. Who do ever clings to it will elevate. Whosoever, opposes it is like a fool severing a branch of a tree that he's sitting on.

[@habibulalam7284]

In the case of Bengal particularly East Bengal it was no different.

[@EasyRitwik]

How about converting converted muslims back to Sanatan dharma, any issue Ms Romila Thapar?? Can u start a thread on this?

[@Sam-81_98]

You do realise why lot of folks converted to Islam dont you?? Most of them coverted willingly with most being from the lower caste because Islam and Christianity dont have the shit caste system which is prevalanent even today. All you guys keep talking about conversion without even thinking why it would have happended. And if the Muslims were so oppressive they would have destroyed Kashi and Mathura becasue as far as I know about histroy these holy places were always under the Mughal rule once they came to power.

[@sanyal34]

What is the need for such re-conversion? Let them enjoy their lives.

[@softrical]

koi tukk hai iss baat ka ? kuch bhi! pehle dhyan se sunn to le kyun conversion hua tha

[@inamulhaq1152]

How do you plan to convert today's Muslims whether converted or original. With your superiority brahaman vadi complex or with force. Try whatever you want and be ready for the consequences. Even if you have Million Modi 's or Yogi's you can do nothing. A vast majority of Indian sub continent Muslims have SC ST and OBC lineage. Lesser numbers have General caste lineage. Converting the SC ST OBC Hindus into Brahmins would be a good point to start reconversions to Sanatan Dharma.

[@saifsamo9750]

The Sindhis were first to convert and become Muslims. The unique sufism took birth in Sindh, these Sindhis converted their northern neighbours Punjabis & the Punjabis converted their Northerners that is the Kashmiris !!

[@ChefbyMistake]

There was no Sindh at that time and she mentioned Multan.

[@Dheeraj-y4f]

Thats not true, the south indians (kerala) was first to convert to islam in india due to arab trade influence. There are mosques in kerala even today which itself is build around 7th century exhibiting a hindu temple architecture which shows how adabtable islam is. While islam came as invasion to western india while islam came as traders to south india and was relatively peaceful.

[@Gaming_shortz-h6g]

She is full of bulshit. Her clients were congressy who are no longer in pawar. Sanatan has existed since the begining and will thrive till the end of humanity.

[@narasimha7187]

How silly.

[@mohammedmir777]

Who's stopping the Sanatan Hindus not to thrive???

[@himmsingz]

Bhakt driven history has no credibility with scholars.

[@RaneForrest]

Why exactly is she full of BS? Just because you’re paranoid is no reason to reject scholarship.

[@padmakumar6081]

Sanatana has no beginning or ending😂it was there before homo sapiens emerged and it will be there even after it perished.😂😂

[@BabuTK-f5l]

Great observation... ❤🎉

[@zarrarchaudhry]

Respectable mam, spirituality can't b intellectualized n Rationalization is a defense mechanism. Religion is about divine or unknown help while masses or humans seek safety, protection n power, last but not the least BETTERMENT. it's a lengthy discussion, I wish I could discuss it via a viz about hindustan or sub continent. Good academic points

[@amrindergalib]

Aurangzeb was also Nakshbandhi .. 🤔

[@pramod6898]

Kudos to all present day Sanatanis- both Hindus and Sikhs- that their ancestors did not give in to any allure or succumb to any violence, and stayed committed to their ancient faith . That’s the reason we are all still Sanatanis.

[@MullBatoora-kf6cj]

Lol yes the majority are Athiests lol

[@anuradhainamdar8967]

The most erudite historian that India has.

[@kazisaddam]

Can U support your words with references?? Or just A Musim Hatered

[@ramachandraks1]

It is bhakti for God and love is betwen humans as per Hinduism.

[@jasvindersingh9513]

Sufi were good people. But Sufi themselves to protect themselves became Sunni or Shia or went underground. So will be followers.

[@1954Saleem]

Specially borders change, the tughlaq canals ,the economics

[@hellohowdoyoudo]

Weirdly sufis, bhaktis and sikhs popularism was based on various karaamat and chamatkars they did..which we nowdays call as fooling people. Although definetly liberals than pure islam and hinduism alongwith remarkable wisdom they preached melodiously😅

[@ਗੁਰਸਿਮਰਸਿੰਘ]

Sikhism never had any chamatkar stuffs

[@MuhammadAhmad-mm8pd]

Excellent

[@EasyRitwik]

Every word by this biased woman must b doubted

[@sanjayshah7776]

No time and no respect for Romila Thapar

[@prasenjitdhar3604]

You are the same lady, who speaks good English, and boasts history and now when being questioned is speech less.

[@user-uz5cq4xo5h]

A very loud Sufi music has killed Punjabi music. That's why there is no low pitch softness in Punjabi music. It's very loud & noisy.

[@MullBatoora-kf6cj]

Hahaha all Great singers in the subcontinent are Punjabis lol like baday Ghulam Ali , Ameer khan , NFAK. Lol

[@Kannada_First]

Legend ❤

[@zainsiddiqi9315]

I haven’t heard so much academic stupidity like this in a long time

[@Diwana71]

😂😂 What is Madam talking ??? Chistis were hardcore Islam establishment in Hindu India. Islam was anti -Hinus anyway .

[@Jibreel-jt1qh]

Sufism is different from islam. There is difference in ideology but considered one of sect, so there is chance of conversation to traditional sect.

[@al-kimiya6962]

You're wrong, all Sufis are Sunnis.

[@MullBatoora-kf6cj]

Lol he don't know the difference between a normal Muslim and a sofi lol

[@jamalnasir7395]

Early sufis that came to India like Data Ali Hajweri, Data ganj bakhsh, khawja muinuddin, etc. were the followers of Sunni tradition (and mostly Hanafis). One must read the work of Data Ali hajveeri, the famous Kashf ul Mahjoob to know how strong the sufis were adherents of the Sunni Sufi tradition

[@ss-ib8gm]

She lacks in-depth knowledge of Hindu philosophy, she is not a good ancient Indian historian she doesn’t know Sanskrit she just writes what she wants

[@MullBatoora-kf6cj]

Do you Know Sanskrit?

[@Aumnamahsivaya123]

To understand wuran see Nabi Asli channel , you will get a pictorial representation. And to get a real knowledge on islam through speech refer sahil exmuslim speech.