.30 Caliber Cartridges Gone For Good? - Season 2: Episode 63

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

No way. The economy of scale with 30-30, .308 Win, 30-06 and 300 Win mag alone are going to keep 30 cal alive for a *LONG* time.

[@dr.froghopper6711]

And the 300 BO, 300 PRC

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

@@dr.froghopper6711 I don’t know if those are quite as large scale as the others I mentioned.

[@mattisaias5367]

I agree. This guy bugs me. One video he’ll say 300 win mags are terrible and not necessary and that the 270 is the best. Then the next video he’ll say 270 is terrible 25-06 are the best caliber all around. Then he pulls out ballistics from old loading manuals and uses the science to compare all these guns.

[@stealthsnyper]

I instantly thought this exact thing

[@Ron-Swanson]

You bet!

[@joztunes69]

The 30-06, .308 and 300 win mag will never be gone

[@caseysmith544]

.308 there is a lesser 7.62x51 variant and my brothers Rock River Arms Varmmit A4 with the blued barrel is going to be his deer hunting gun seeing how easy the ammo is to find as his 243 is broken and is stuck as a single shot due to Savage had some issues with the early versions of the model he got in the 2000's. He plans to sell his 234 with maybe keeping the scope for a different gun to a local Gun Shop that has ability to fix the gun before he is selling it as he only needs the one Deer gun and has a single smaller ammo of under 7 rounds, a 5 for hunting. 30-30 should never be gone too as that is one of the most popular rounds for a Deer rifle in the USA besides the 243 Remmington Pump Varment I have for hunting Deer as I am a lefty, and 270 Dad has for Deer/one time he got a hard to get Elk tag for the one part of South Dakota they have Elk.

[@travissmith-wz5nc]

Absolutely but the gagit kids are evolved and there now long range toys. Its hard to justify them for past 250 300 yrds on game.

[@caseysmith544]

@@travissmith-wz5nc The only time I could see a large .30 cal round being used is for the maybe 30-06 but currently the 308/Nato designation to hunt large mule deer or Elk on up in the USA or as an easier to find replacement for the 270 in modern times knowing the ammo due to NATO designation is always going to be made.

[@travissmith-wz5nc]

@@caseysmith544 well that was the thought behind what I said. The problem is the kids that like the new gagits and toys. Not a believer in them for big game past 250 yards.

[@you_worm3340]

@@travissmith-wz5nc I like 06 and have 3 rifles with tuned ammo. 1 hole per 5 shots at 100. Can hit a 10' paper plate at 400 yards every time in a dead wind. Dropped whitetail at 600 yards. 5 deer with 5 shots on the first weekend for years... Stopped loading Win 300 and 270 too much variation in loads with temperature thought the 300 is a close second. 308 is light military and a wasted time developing.

[@jk-kr8jt]

Hi Ron, another good show. I really am enjoying these. Yes, the 30 cals are done and dusted. Please tell your viewers to leave all the 30 Carb, 30-30, 300 Sav, 308 Win, 30-06, 300 Win, 300 RUM and 300 Wby ammo on the shelves for ME. If any view is troubled by having those at home, by all means, feel free to ship it to ME. Thank you. Cheers, Jeff

[@bradreid2906]

Don’t mind splitting some of the .308 you score specifically any 155 gr

[@jk-kr8jt]

@@bradreid2906 OK, you're in.

[@davewinter2688]

I could use some 150 grainers. Especially Nosler Partitions. I load them in 300 Savage, 308 Winchester and my out dated 300 H&H.

[@jk-kr8jt]

@@davewinter2688 you had me at 300 Savage.

[@Ratkill9000]

.30-30 is a pain to find. Granted I go for Leverevolution ammo for that

[@mississippichris]

Ron's flip-flops, as alleged, are the best evidence that each cartridge has its place, with none being the best at everything. Our job as shooters is to know what we are shooting, what we are shooting at, the advantages and limitations of the cartridge in our rifles, the ballistic and terminal performance of that cartridge, and our own limitations. Ron presentation helps me understand all that better. I am thankful for this channel.

[@HobbitHomes263]

As a retired elk guide in western MT I can tell you without a doubt that far too many hunters think a big magnum will make up for poor shooting. They also think that they can shoot accurately at 600 yards if their cartridge can. I spent far too much time tracking woulded elk to the point I almost felt like forcing them to use the camp 308. I remember pone hunt where a guy from WI camp to camp with a 270. The other 8 hunters in camp gave him some good nature teasing. All but one hunter got a shot. My guy and his 270 scored the only bull. A beautiful 260 yard shot right thru the lungs. The elk took 10 steps and fell over dead. Rifles don't make up for poor marksmanship nor the inability to hunt forward for a closer shot

[@charlesperry1051]

I won't be giving up my 30-06 any time soon. Nice combination of acceptable recoil and downrange performance. The 30s will live a long time in the US.

[@glockparaastra]

🤔 I'm keeping my 308Win either way 🤣

[@trapperbobpatriot8288]

Me to! In years past my favorite was the 30-06 but after I found a rugar 77 in 308 it’s now my favorite. I still wouldn’t part with my 06s though.

[@williamgaines9784]

I am considering getting one. I love my 06s, but see no flies on the shorter son. Any military, or former, cartridge will have much more available ammunition and components. 308 Win has been one of the more available and reasonably priced cartridges of late. Certainly capable of taking any game in USA at reasonable ranges and available rifles in every platform, including AR.

[@johnqpublic2718]

Definitely man

[@johnstandfell9458]

I don't blame you it's a good round

[@gimpyRW]

I love my hard hitting hard kicking calibers. When looking for a long range shooter I could have requested any caliber I wanted, however, I decided on the .300 win mag for not only the long range power but also because I was already reloading the .30-06 and I could use pretty much the same powders, bullets etc in both the 06 and the .300 win mag.

[@jimmydunn3775]

It warms my heart to see so many of the younger generation of hunters that still flock to and defend 30 cal rifles.

[@Ron-Swanson]

The 270 does everything that modern 6.5mm and 7mm do. The shift has been so to marketing mostly.

[@mattmc1083]

I have a Ruger #1 International in 7x57. I absolutely love it.

[@elgato9534]

awesome rifle.

[@timclaus8313]

Fine rifle with a time-proven excellent cartridge.

[@davidperkins1660]

I am the proud owner of a Ruger #1 standard chambered in 300 weatherby. It has a 26 inch barrel but the rifle is the same overall length as my 22 inch 30/06 bolt gun.

[@billmclean6550]

the Ruger-no 1 has class and the 30 cal work very well .it looks the gun makers are trying to get us to get a new gun

[@weloveangel509]

You will never see the 30-30 or the 30-06,308,300 win mag be totally gone in America

[@joztunes69]

And the .308

[@chaseyourdreams4104]

Absolutely right cuz 308 is the one around that you can pretty much find all the time if there's anything on the shelves they stock 308 and 22 and 12 gauge where I'm at

[@caseysmith544]

@@chaseyourdreams4104 Or where I live 20, 12, 22 and 208/7.62 where I live, yes 20 guage was gone at one point during the pandemic of gun buying in 2021 or all they had was extra low brass led in 7 on up. In most states, you can't hunt or can't hunt on public with led shotgun round nore does a 7 on up make for a good hunting round with 8 & 9 being crap even for clay targets.

[@blueduck9409]

Yep, we just might not ever see ammo available for sale.

[@reloadnorth7722]

Very many years ago i was trained on the FN-C1 and C2 in the CDN Infantry. I purchased my own 308 win because I enjoyed shooting the 7.62x51, and learned its capabilities. I reload and have never wounded or lost any game with it. I will not be getting rid of it any time, and after 40 years of using it, its like a part of me.

[@dwi2921]

Can't exactly shoot them nowadays though. Prohibited and all that. Unless of course you moved to the States.

[@reloadnorth7722]

@@dwi2921 My point was that I use 308 Win exclusively, I know the cartridge and its capabilities. I don't need magnums to compensate for bad shooting

[@dwi2921]

@@reloadnorth7722 I am aware of what your point was. 308 gets the job done no doubt about that. I was simply pointing out the depressing state of gun ownership in Canada right now.

[@reloadnorth7722]

@@dwi2921 Hello. Yes, I agree. Please stay safe and vigilant.

[@loboheeler]

Glad to see a reference to Western Auto, which was unique in the range of things they sold. A lot of sporting goods, which guns were a part of back then. Many small towns had these stores.

[@susquehannaoutdoorsman3804]

Grew up on a 30-30 when I wasn't bow hunting, bought a Rem 700 in 308, used it on the first day, flattened two doe , the first one dropped in it's tracks, the second one ran maybe 4 yards. 30-30 always put them down quickly too when the placement is correct.

[@mountainmanmilitia3806]

I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that at least 50% of the American hunting community hunts with either 30-30, 308 or 30-06. They simply work and been around forever. I personally use 30-06 in multiple rifles.

[@rediron44]

Agreed. I use a .308. Just because of the wide variety of ammo available...30 cals will not disappear in my lifetime

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I did a poll on my channel and 50% voted 30 caliber as their main hunting caliber. I think you're right.

[@jk-kr8jt]

@@ReloadingWeatherby 50%?!?! That's nearly half. Lol

[@gerrymccarthy9568]

Agreed! Here in Ireland: 270, 7mag, 308, 30-06. Almost no 30-30. Guys who bought 6.5 Creedmore for hunting went back to the above after one season deer hunting. That’s what dealer friends are telling me.

[@rgalletta58]

I'm bringing both this year. Meaning 30-30 and .308

[@RuebenStJohn]

.30 will be around for a very long time. It already has but the .30 caliber is time itself. Lol it will out live you and everyone you love. I just wish they made more .30 Carbine.

[@oldgandy5355]

Western Auto was kind of like an Ace Hardware and a Napa parts store rolled together. Our local store had most auto parts available, either shelf stock or fast order, plus they had sporting goods (guns and ammo, tents, archery, fishing equipment, coolers etc ). They also sold hunting and fishing licenses, canning equipment, tools etc, and at Christmas time they had ornaments and all kinds of kids toys for Santa to buy. They eventually went the way of Woolworths, Montgomery Wards, and the DoDo birds. I have a Marlin model 70 which is a 22 lr produced for Western Auto.

[@letsdothis9063]

I've heard of (there is one we shoot at my grandma's) a marlin model 60 in .22 lr. I have never seen a marlin model 70. Is it a bolt action or semi auto?

[@duckmanstan]

Love my 35 whelen! 3 for 3 this year all bang flops no tracking necessary a good thing when hunting a wet marsh with 200+ yard shots.

[@TexanUSMC8089]

I still have my first shotgun. A Western Auto Revelation 20 gauge bolt action. I bought it when I was about 12 or 13 in the mid 70's.

[@davidteague5461]

My dad had one of those 30/30s bought it before I was born. Just before he passed he gave it to my little brother. My dad killed many deer with it over the years. No problems with it that ever heard of .

[@gunner4373]

Usually if a western auto question occurs it needs to be evaluated. If it was in good shape they probably wouldn't ask. The number one is very special. It also allows reloading far beyond factory velocities with careful pressure observation. I usually can do 1-2gr over any max load without issue but I don't encourage this practice. I have 32yrs experience doing this, and only experiment with the number one or the M77.

[@64samsky]

I bought my first archery set at Western Auto in Baltimore City back around 1975, it was a blue fiberglass bow with field tip arrows. I got a few rabbits with that thing.

[@HobbitHomes263]

I bought a Remington 700 in 1972 in 30-06. I have taken everything from Brown bear to white tail and prairie dogs. Back then the bullet selection was insane. From 4,000 fps sabot 22s to 220 gr round nose Core-Lokt. There was virtually no game off limits. We even had a 300 yard challenge on squirrels with our pals.

[@backlash00]

When I was young, late 40s - early 50s, I got bicycle chains at Western Auto on Central Ave, Knoxville TN.

[@jk-kr8jt]

Ron, on the 30-06/338 question, I'm surprised you didn't mention the 338 Fed. I know you have a soft spot for that little darling. Don't forget the 338-06 or one of my favorites the 340 Wby. Your answer to that gentleman was spot on, with the limited info you were given. In my experience the 338 Win punches game alot harder than the old reliable 06. Punches the shooter harder too. Is it needed? No way to know. Is your insurance policy needed? No. Until it is, then it's needed real bad. Keep up the good work. Cheers, Jeff.

[@nathanlambshead4778]

I am a woods hunter almost exclusively, and my 336 Marlin in 30-30 is my go to when hunting in rifle season (Black powder being my main season) but for those few times I am watching a 200+ yard field, swamp, or powerline, I have a scoped 1885 Browning falling block in 30-06 that I am very confident with. It has a 28 inch barrel, and no longer a gun than any bolt action. And it can clover leaf 3 shots with factory Federal Premium nosler partition rounds at 100 yards. Love the gun. And if anyone is concerned about only one shot, I can only say this: it is the first shot that only counts. Thanks again for the video. I really appreciate your extensive information on You Tube.

[@stevenphilpott1493]

i haven't used a 30/30 in several years, but i took several blacktail with it. out to 250yds! never lost any! also shot several with .308 same result. my brother uses a .300 weatherby and uses it for every thing from coyotes to elk,he loves it. I now use a 6.5x55mm for every thing here in Wash. state

[@KevinSchwinkendorf]

I have a .300 H&H in a Winchester M70 made in 1990. Yes, it's pushfeed but I love it - a perfect match to my .375 H&H Model 70. In my opinion "the .300 H&H is obsolete because the .300 Win. Mag. came along" is bunk. The H&H is a bit less powerful than the Win mag - agreed - but the difference is so slight I doubt any animal on the receiving end could tell the difference.

[@tomslongguns443]

Western auto was bought out by advance auto . Western Auto you could get anything . From auto parts to washers and dryers and bicycles . Guns , fishing poles , everything . They had a big catalog . Greensburg Kentucky had one used to love going in there . Joe the owner of the store let me go and look at all the rifles behind the counter , and help him sale one someone was looking at . Those was good days .

[@whiskeyman1969]

Ever since my dad passed away 11 years ago, I try to take at least 1deer per season with his old Western Auto Revelation 30/30. I love that rifle. Three generations have killed deer with that rifle.

[@stevencunningham4680]

The Western Auto 30-30 is an excellent rifle. I remember seeing them in the Western Auto stores as far up as the 1980's. Like you said Ron , they're a Marlin so they're great guns just scaled down to keep the price lower. I've always wanted to have one but don't see them around anymore.

[@garyh1449]

I have a collection of various store branded firearms. J.C.Higgins (Sears), Western Field (Montgomery Wards), Revelation (Western Auto) and Foremost (J.C. Penny's).

[@rmatteson3142]

I have a Revelation! It is very nice. It has a very nice walnut stock. It is just like a Marlin 336C. It does nothave the Gold Plated trigger, Howerer. Mine was manufactered in 1963. It shoot good tight groups. I really like it. One again, It is identical to the top grade Marlin 336 at that time. Mine looks almost brand new!

[@dylanschulz2404]

A 30-06 with 230 grain bullets beats the crap out of steel at 1000+ yards and hangs right there with the 6.5/7mm cartridges that are comparable. I guess more recoil, but at the same time there are plenty of ways to mitigate that! Also I really enjoy 30 because there are so many bullet choices!

[@NotSure177]

I've got a Ruger #1 in 450 3/4 Nitro Express. So far as I know their were only 250 ever made, in the Craig Boddington safari series.

[@JoeZelensky]

Always a good time when listening to Ron.

[@stuartmeier240]

Ruger #1 in 220 Swift, 6 Rem, 7mm STW, 375 H&H, are all pretty cool.

[@Mike-ik7dl]

Never gonna loose the .30 love my 300 win mag hey James if you read the comments I have a No.1 in 257 Roberts amazing rifle love it a tack driver look around in pawn shops online they are out there plenty of wild calibers love the video Ron always informative and fun thanks

[@stormiewutzke4190]

One thing that people don't bring up often enough when comparing calibers is just how much extra power you get from a step up in bore size. If you look at a handloading manual when using the same bullet with identical weight a 30/06 will out perform a .270 at hunting ranges with lower chamber pressure. At the muzzle it's possible to to get at least 200 FPS at least. It's important to remember that the gasses are pushing against The base of the bullet and the larger the area the area the more they can push in. The ratio of base area to barrel contact friction points goes down as bore size goes up. If a person is realistic about their max shots and can pick a rough range, they can do a better job at comparing calibers. If you are hunting Eastern woodlands it would be rare to take even a 200 yard shot. If you then compare the class of cartridges you are interested it should be easy to see one that offers higher performance for the same recoil. For me my max range is about 400 yards. I wanted a light shirt action mountain rifle and was looking at.308 class cartridges. The 308 is by far the most powerful but the 7mm and the 6.5mm overtake it around 300 yards. Since I wanted a lighter recoil rifle anyway and wasn't trying for max power the 7mm-08 was perfect and at 400 yards it has the highest energy and isn't overtaken by the 6.5CM until until well past 400 and maybe out to 500 yards.

[@Keifsanderson]

Very astute perspective. And well conveyed. I think we all have a conscious or subconscious desire to reach as far as possible with as much power as possible, but as you point out, there is a lot of non-linear correlations that shooters would be smart to consider.

[@ryananderson3760]

Ruger no 1 in 35 whelen or 300 h&h would be cool.

[@shawnmiller4781]

300!H&H was my grandfathers moose caliber

[@hrdrockfarm8948]

I think the 30's are like the Ford F-150. The 6.5 creed is like a Mini-Cooper. Mini-Coopers are neat but not functional like F150s.

[@phillycheesetake]

Please name the animal which will walk off a hit from a .264, but get bodied by a .308. I'd be very interested to know this new species you've apparently discovered.

[@jk-kr8jt]

Watch out Hrdrockfarm, you've got a Creedy fan on your tail. Or maybe a 264 Win, 260 Rem, 6.5x55 or a slue of the newbie 6.5 cartridges. Have fun with, be kind. 😁👍

[@chuckfinley3152]

Horandy only had to spend millions in advertising and some under the table cash to "influencers"to promote the cringemoor, when the 6.5x47 already was well established

[@JohnSmith-jh1iy]

6.5 manbun

[@russellkeeling4387]

The headline here made me chuckle.

[@laughingdog6010]

Wild and crazy thirty cals are the way to go.

[@jimmyraythomason1]

Western Auto sold a LOT of stuff other than car accessories even household appliances. My first rifle was bought from Western Auto in 1973. It was a Remington Model 700 ADL in 30-06 Sp. I still have a Revelation/Mossberg 500 12 ga. bought in 1974 as a birthday gift for my dad.

[@brandonparrett2436]

Not going anywhere. As someone who’s lived on 22 and 26 calibers for almost 30 years. I just purchased a 3006, 300wm and 300 blackout. And the 26 was the Swedish long before the 260 and creedmoor

[@leonharris1329]

The 338rcm is wonderful even with a 20 inch barrel. Just never quite caught on.

[@williamthomas3620]

I'm a fan of the 338 WM for African plains game because it adds a little more knock down certainty, and African hunting is really dependent on animal recovery. A wounded animal that requires tracking wastes time, and that is primarily what you are paying for in Africa.

[@brucevaughn2886]

Started with a .270 Win. Then tried a.243 Win. Got a .30-06 and never saw a need for more changes. A plethora of excellent factory loads. With hand loads there’s nothing off the table.

[@wonkachocolates6133]

8.5x55 Blaser Magnum is #1 in my book for hunting big deer and hogs. .338 vs..308 is a big step up in hunting, but drop dead results are norm. Hornady PRC's are just a hyped-up game to sell you new ammo & guns.

[@maxkurland6413]

Me and my 300 Savage rifles will be around at least :)

[@MattChat56]

Keeping my 308 and 30-06. Maybe I will add a 7mm PRC when it becomes more available

[@leskrug9266]

Can't wait for the 7prc!

[@pedropistolas8497]

That 5 inches of drift at 400 sure perked me up

[@billmclean6550]

every body has a 30 cal ,i can all ways get it at any shop, and hand load 25-06 and the 300 h&h and would not swap these rounds for any new round, the 30 cal more selection when you get the twist wright they can easy compete with the new rounds, 25-06 with the wright twist ,will shoot better, and it is a old round, like the 22 swift, the new rounds do come close,

[@stephenland9361]

When it comes to sales of new rifles the 6.5 CM is certainly very popular. Target shooting is a lot of fun and the 6.5 CM excels. Shooting at steel and hearing that 'ting' is basically like .22 plinking for grownups. But when it comes to hunting, there are millions of us guys out there who are fond of our .30 calibre rifles. .30-30, .308, .30-06, .300 win mag... all still very popular in camp. Heck, you even still see the .300 Savage from time to time. Remember the .300 H&H? It's an awesome hunting cartridge. And there are at least a few dozen other .30 calibre cartridges of less popular note. Then there are the newer ones like the .300 PRC and the .300 Norma Mag (not to be confused with the .308 Norma Mag). I don't see the .30 calibre cartridges going away any time.

[@glockparaastra]

Can't go wrong with 9.3X62 either. Some really nice European rifles made in that calibre. Popular here in South Africa.

[@Bullseye45]

During the ammo shortage of 2020 and 2021 always found 308 ammo . I Can't say that about the other calibers. Except 300wsm I always found it to.

[@clintjohnson7023]

One of my favorite guns to take out and hunt with in the thick stuff back home in Arkansas is my great grandfather's old Remington model 8 in 35 Remington. It's a hand me down from great grandpaw to grandpaw to my dad then me. As old as it is it's never had over 300 rounds ran through it. Still looks almost mint.

[@scottsozmtns7534]

Ron! How could you even ask such a question as that? Perish the thought!! The GREAT “30’s”, will be w/us for many years to come. Haha I personally could never think of hunting & not actually having my .30-06’ in my stable of “working guns”, to choose from. I’m by the old 06’, as some are by the way of the .300 Win Mag & .300 Win Short Mag or the .30-30 or even the .308.

[@JustInCases72]

I always like the high standard 22 auto.

[@Ranger-vv2jv]

Hunting 308--30-06 and I have 1 more I like 7mm Rem mag.30 caliber here to stay

[@rmrider92]

You said a 3000fps rifle would recoil more than a 1000fps rifle but didn’t mention bullet weights in that equation. I know what you meant buttttttt there’s that whole 405gr .45-70 at 1000 FPS vs 55gr .223 at 3000 FPS, anyways always a pleasure watching your videos!

[@AspenSavage]

The military also adopted .338 norma magnum as well

[@308dad8]

Not a chance in Hell of 30 caliber dying off! Millions of us still grab our trusty 30-30, 308 Winchester, 30-06, and countless other popular 30’s every year to hunt with. Just because another gimmick cartridge has been released doesn’t mean we all will adopt it or throw out our no less effective 30’s.

[@chadbinette3201]

To me Alot depends on what and where your shooting though. I'm no shooting or ballistics expert by any means but been hunting since I was a kid. My personal most used rifles are 30-30, 30-06, and 7mm-08, I also have an old 32 special from my grandfather that ild.like to harvest a deer with some day. My father has 30-30, 30-06, 308. , When I'm bear hunting or moose hunting it's the 30-06 everytime. But when I go deer hunting it's in thick woods where your lucky to get a 60yrd shot I take my 30-30 which has to be over 60 yrs old and still works perfectly, probably my favorite gun between the length being easy to maneuver with and the lever action being easy for a second shot if needed. If I get out of work early and there is an hour of daylight left I'll take the 7-08 and sit on the edge of the field. Love the 30-30 for deer hunting but a 150 yards is about pushing the capabilities unless your dialed in and practicing at that range and even then it's just not made for that distance in my opinion. Plus I always try to set up my hunting rifles with scope rings that I can still use the iron sights if needed. In my opinion there's always the latest and greatest that takes off and eventually calms down, I mean the 30-30 , 30-06, 300, 308, have been around for how long ? 100 years plus ? And still being sold . Tried, true and proven never goes out of style.

[@austinedwards9889]

30-06. Enough said

[@warrengreen3217]

People been using range finder way before the 6.5creed or guys target shooting, more so for bow hunters but also gun hunters out where lands wide open

[@44hawk28]

Button rifling also is not cut rifling. It is swage din to the barrel. That I defy you to show me the difference between a buttoned barrel and a forged Barrel. A broach literally cuts the rifling into the barrel. There are very little stresses on the barrel the stresses are usually on the broach. The very first Centerfire rifle that I purchased after I got out of service was a Ruger Model 77 in 7 millimeter Magnum which I believe had a button rifled barrel on it. I got a load from a bench press shooter that was 3 Grand over the max load but it was the slowest powder that was available at the time, I think it was 68 grains of h4350 behind a 139 or 140 grain spear or Hornady bullet. I first set up Speer bullets. I fired 9 shots to sight it in and then I shot 20 rounds into a hole that was .33 at its whitest measurement period that is a 20 shot group into a spread of .049 inch. I did several 20-round groups exactly the same size each time I shot them, and one of them was with the Hornady bullets with a completely different shape to them. And that Barrel was Pencil Thin.

[@ridgelife6451]

Hey Ron. Thanks for answering my previous question. Patrick b here. Got another one for you. 6.5 prc or 7mm mag or possible the new 7mm prc for an all around cartridge to do most everything when it comes to hunting or long distance target shooting in America.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast]

My all-round has been the 7mm Rem Mag. for some 20 years, but the coming PRC could take top spot.

[@buckhorncortez]

I have two Ruger #1 rifles. One is a 6mm and the other is a custom in 30-338.

[@BobEllis79]

If I could have any Ruger No 1 it would be the distributor exclusive in .257 Weatherby. Probably the most handy 28" barrelled rifle there is in a cartridge that really benefits from the length. Second choice would be .280 Remington with a shorter barrel for a very handy rifle.

[@JamesJones-cx5pk]

I'm a die hard .308 lover and that's what I deer hunt with but,,,,,, That 7mm-08 is lethal near and far.

[@michaelhargrove1466]

I own a colection of husqvarna 9.3x57 rifles for big game but Africa mostly says that 9.3x62 is the least caliber they allow

[@HobbitHomes263]

The best way I describe it is to smack an anvil with a 3lb hammer as hard as you can . Them tap the anvil and see the difference in feedback in your arm. Then repeat with a 12 oz finish hammer

[@JackHoff-cz3eq]

Ron boomer update you 1975 Hornaday load manual. We have a ton of high bc 30 cal projectiles on the market now, and they arent reserved for the heavy bullets either. A 168 grain eldm with a bc of .523 can be pushed 2800 plus fps. Thats over 3k pounds at the muzzle and still over 1500 at 5 hundy. At 1k that same load is going like 1400 with 700 ft lbs.

[@garrettgibson9571]

Cold Hammer Forging, if done right produces a superior barrel in my opinion. The imperfections in the rifling are not as common and it’s more uniform. Tikka, Sako Howa, heck even the Ruger American use a CHF barrel for example. All are sub MOA for the most part. Barrel life is extended with the CHF especially with this newer barrel killing calibers.

[@andypanda4927]

I've wondered about a modern rifle using Whitworth's rifle technique. In black-powder rifles, nothing else compared for accuracy & power. Not likely? I know the "bolts" it shot were not round like what we fire now. Just curious if anyone has tried in a modern rifle.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Whitworth or polygonal rifling is used in Sabatti rifles. I have a review of one, a Saphire, in 30-06 on my subscription RSOTV channel at ronspomeroutdoors.com

[@charlene2400]

I use 7mm mauser, and that's even older. So, I think common 30 cals will be around long time yet

[@BenMosley]

Everyone wants the new, new. There's something about a 300 wm handloaded going faster then it should. I'm not saying newer isn't better, but the old men at elk camp went big for a reason. Bad shooting is the excuse, but those men knew what it meant if the elk ridged out and dropped into a canyon, and they didn't depend on a guide to go get it for them. I'm sure 6.5s etc. do the trick, and one day I might try my 270 for one.

[@clidester18]

Well we got 300 prc i think that will keep it going. Not to mention 30-06 and 308

[@Bhartrampf]

308 Norma in a Ruger No 1, I don't think that Ruger built one, but a custom one would be sweet.

[@PebbleTheRockZ]

I always wanted one of those

[@timhatchett7048]

I’ve had a lot of them and calibers. High standard in my opinion made one of the best 22 ever made just my opinion had some Sears also . But their 30 30 was my first deer rifle yeah it’s basically a 336 I put a Gold trigger out of a marlin in it ,boy I took a lot of deer with it

[@38north15]

I have read reports that the actual working pressure of the 6.8 x 51 has a master plan to be 100,000 psi.

[@thestrawberrypatch5644]

A 6.5 with a 143 gr at a 2,750 fps doesn't thump as hard on either end as a 30 cal with a 220 gr at 2,820. Which would you rather hit a big bull elk or moose with?

[@strat1080]

In same length barrels the 375 Ruger actually outperforms the H&H.

[@USAACbrat]

I bought a Sears, Ted Williams, 1917 sporter in 30.06 for 98.99 0n layaway. Made my longest killing shot.

[@charlesperry1051]

Mossberg made shotguns for Western Auto. I have one.

[@damascene8777]

I know 30’s aren’t going away anytime soon, but rifles chambered in those smaller ones seem to be what’s selling right now. Maybe in a few decades they will completely take over as the new standard for full powered cartridges. Especially for target shooting.

[@jfess1911]

i agree. A large percentage of the 30 cal hunting rifles produced in the last century are still around, being passed down in families or sold to new users. They will be used for a long time. I makes sense then, that when people buy a new rifle, they want something other than what they already have. Also, advances in cartridges and bullets allows the same job to be handled by smaller-diameter bullets, so that is another factor. Also, many people naturally flinch from significant recoil (and some from the noise/blast from muzzle brakes). It is not surprising that some people prefer to use their valuable range time and ammo to enjoy shooting rather than spending a fair amount of both merely training themselves to not flinch.

[@robertodebeers2551]

What cartridge has killed the most elk? 30-06, probably, although the .30-30 topped the list for a long time.

[@independentthinker8930]

My Dad's quail gun is a J.C. Higgins bless his sole

[@philbe3095]

My question always was does the recoil impulse start when the bullet mass begins to leave the cartridge/chamber or when it exits the muzzle. Also, how much combined effect from gasses exiting the muzzle creating rearward thrust. Would like to see some 60,000 fps photography on the subject.

[@shootingatshadow]

Impulse is force over time. Increase the time and decrease the impulse. Impulse is perceived as how sharp the recoil is. It starts with the powder igniting and when all energy is dissipated including exiting gasses (minimal effect), after the bullet departs. Most subjective measurements measure from ignition to bullet exit since it's easy to calculate.

[@philbe3095]

@@shootingatshadow It was mostly a hypothetical question, still would like to see some high speed photograpy for my own eyes from trigger pull/primer strike to bullet exiting muzzle. Not calculations

[@jasonforester4572]

From one Jason to another.... I have a Ruger No.1 in 9.3X62. What a great rifle! Get one as soon as you get a chance. As for the Thirties. Every hunter and their Dog has one. They are too good at what they do to just go away. Nope.

[@SteveM0732]

It seems to me that maximum chamber pressure does not determine bullet velocity so much as the integral of the chamber pressure. You could in theory have a fast burning powder with a high chamber pressure that recoils less than a big load of slow burning powder that peaks at a lower chamber pressure.

[@JamesJohnson-oy3mx]

There is a Ruger Number 1 chambered in 22-250 AI (Ackley Improved) on GunBroker right now. FYI

[@Longtrailside]

You sure do love kickin the wasps nest Ron.

[@bryanheimann5370]

They tried to get rid of 30-30 during the shortage. Quit supporting it early, brought the ammo back late. Tried to replace it with several cartridges, including some new straight walled cartridges and a couple AR cartridges we already had. Remington Buckhammer, 350 legend, 300 BLK, etc. Well when your flex is “it’s like a 30-30 except…”the answer is “i already have a 30-30 where is my ammo”? Nobody fell for it. For over a year the only ammo i could find was 350 legend. What a flop. Save it for straight wall states.

[@dariusbronner5866]

Regardless I’m keeping my 300blk, 308, and 300WM 😂

[@bryankottke5245]

Ron, where did you get your elk artwork that's on the wall behind you?

[@ironmikehallowween]

The 6.5CM was certainly eye opening for me. I thought it was just another fad cartridge. But then, I got one for my birthday a few years ago. I didn’t even scope it for over a year. I felt guilty because the person whom bought it for me, always asked how did I like it. So, I took it out. Now, besides my bow, and many rim fires, it’s all I use.

[@steviebby]

Yep redundant, a .277 and a .358 is the new recipe for the cupboard