Hammer Bullets With Steve Davis - Season 2: Episode 19

[@johnkaraphillis754]

Great video. Steve and his company are great people to deal with and very helpful.

[@johnpittinger1545]

Was riveted to the show from start to finish. Never never ever too old to learn something new and informative. Makes you open your mind an eyes so that we can become better hunters and harvest our animals more humanly. Thanks Ron. Love your shows.

[@Dcm193]

That didn’t age well . Especially since both of these guys push piss poor bullets

[@jcarry5214]

@@Dcm193 According to what?

[@Dcm193]

@@jcarry5214look up “long range hunting groups test of them “. Its very detailed

[@rickstrandberg6398]

It all comes down to velocity! Turns out Ron's 25 ought 6 with 90 gr bullets is perfect cape buffalo or Grizzly medicine!

[@martinstiastny7679]

Excellent show. Really enjoyed it.

[@joelmcmahan7386]

Have a great show Ron, his guest and fans. Great stories and great knowledge on this channel. Never to old to learn something new. Good shooting to ya all 🎥💯👍

[@jcarry5214]

Oh lord, I'm going to give this guy money. Steve is so goddamned nice. I put it off because some other projects came up but I really believe that I want to support someone who's pushing in a new and good direction. Just the fact that he wants wounding and not mushrooms drives people absolutely bananas from both sides of the spectrum and I love it.

[@jasonwhitehead5134]

Steve has been very helpful for me, shooting a .358 wildcat. Can't wait to try the 203 and 140 Shock Hammers!

[@johncantu3594]

Great bullet and deadly accurate!

[@georgetaylor6253]

X2 above!!!!

[@beavisbrowne3497]

I'll have to try them Wonderful interview

[@craigschaefer8764]

I would’ve never thought that pedals breaking off would be a good thing. You learn something new everyday.

[@tylarhaugan7908]

Fragmentation is great on 2 legged creatures. I personally wouldnt use ine for game though

[@danielcurtis1434]

Any deformation or fragmentation causes extra energy transfer. What’s unique is the petals penetrating deep after breaking off. Most of what I’ve seen in videos is the petals going in about 4-8”. If the petals can be made thick and heavy enough to penetrate then that would be a “game changer”.

[@lanes8237]

@@tylarhaugan7908 why?

[@tylarhaugan7908]

@@lanes8237 a bunch of little peaces going threw out body hit lungs heart

[@tylarhaugan7908]

@@lanes8237 i dont trust fragmenting bullets on game because shouldn't

[@chrisaerts6489]

Very interesting. Thanks Ron

[@johnschneider6183]

I have been a fan of Barnes Bullets for a long time. I have killed just about everything and everything I have shot at has died from a 120-grain Triple Shock out of a Model 7 Stainless Synthetic w/ a 21" barrel. Everything up to and including elk. Everything has been a one-shot kill and DRT. I ordered $266.41 of Hammer Bullets today in various calibers to test. Ron, you were the salesman and I trust you almost as much as your dog does.

[@jcarry5214]

Curious to hear your results. They are certainly not barnes clones, a different philosophy, but I think you'll like them. Super easy to load, really accurate, really good performance. The only people I've talked to that didn't like them had an axe to grind, they either have something personal or they don't like the wounding philosophy and try to make hay out of . I've tried to find guys who had bad results, they all point to "gel tests" but can never say where to find them, the gel tests I've seen I liked. Honestly I've talked to more guys who have bad times with Barnes or partitions or accubonds, and we all know those are legitimately good bullets.

[@hawknives]

Christ Bless those at Hammer Bullets!

[@georgetaylor6253]

You got to try them! They are the best performing bullets I've ever used.

[@hawknives]

@@georgetaylor6253 I plan on buying many calibers soon.

[@Dcm193]

Then clearly you haven’t tried much .

[@jcarry5214]

@@Dcm193 What's your experience with them?

[@Dcm193]

@@jcarry5214 horrible . Worse bc and needs a lot higher impact velocity.

[@phill7404]

Thank you both for a ripper of a segment, heaps of valuable information. You mentioned in the podcast there is someone down here in Australia, who is distributing your Hammer Bullets is it possible to get there website details. Cheers Phill

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

You are welcome, Phil. It was my pleasure having Steve on the show. I trust he'll get back to you with the info you need.

[@rickstrandberg6398]

So heavy for caliber bullets with high bc, how do we get say 185 grain non toxic 7mmprc bullet, do you use the tungsten in the base or was that a fail?

[@Weatherby406]

Live down the road and these bullets shoot!

[@joshh5853]

I’ve been slowly converting to copper the last couple years in my rifles. These bullets really make me wish I was a hand loader…

[@ammoiscurrency5706]

You won't save any money but you'll shoot a lot more. It's not hard to do a small set up with a lee challenger .

[@diogenes5381]

Hey Ron, we would like a bit on flat meplat rifle bullets. Like BuffaloBore rounds for .45-70.

[@poorfatman5317]

👍

[@kennethbriody8396]

Sounds like one hell of s bullet, on the on the 7mm mag I guided for 30 years the 2 cal.that I've had more game lost to is 7mm mag, what I think the problem was to heavy bullet instead of a 175 gr. If they'd of used a 140 gr it would of been fatal,the 2nd one which I have no clue why it failed is the 25-06 on paper its almost perfect! I had 3 decent muleys center punched and never found them

[@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast]

Ken, one of the problems with blaming a cartridge/bullet for failure on an unrecovered animal is truly knowing where the bullet landed. Often what looks to be a perfect hit proves otherwise. I've seen this several times when a camera was capturing the action. Hit looked perfect to me and or friends/guides, buy upon examining the film, eps. in slow mo, the shot was less than ideal. I can honestly say that, except for one bad hit in the ham on a long range pronghorn that turned to run just as I launched (good reason to limit range!,) I've never had anything escape a 25-06 Rem hit. This is mostly pronghorn, whitetail, coyotes, and one black bear. Anyway, best of luck to you going forward!

[@roddawe2505]

Ron is there way you can ask Steve for a link to who ,where to buy hammer bullets in Canada?

[@tylarhaugan7908]

There website doesnt work

[@pdb6157]

I’ll be buying hammer bullets

[@deej9367]

I'd watch some gel test videos on the performance of these bullets before you buy.

[@jcarry5214]

@@deej9367 I'd also talk to a few dozen hunters who test them on animals before you talk trash about gel hunts. The ones I've seen have been great anyway.

[@deej9367]

@jcarry5214 I know lots of hunters and non hunt with hammer bullets. All I have to go on is gel tests that I've seen on line. I can talk to all the hunters I know and watch gel tests on nosler partition and know they work consistently.

[@jcarry5214]

@@deej9367 well you know one now, and I’ve grilled a bunch of others. Partitions are great but their ballistics aren’t good enough for me even when I can buy them, which is never. These actually perform more like partitions than like either cup and core or Barnes. Some fragmenting for soft tissue, 70 percent weight retention. partitions were new once upon a time. I know 2 people that had bad kills with partitions. What you’re saying is fair now but don’t insinuate something you don’t know. I just did another search and found 2 new positive gel tests and the lone “negative” test from the weirdo who has an axe to grind and worships full fragmenting match bullets. Just my thoughts, thanks for sharing yours.

[@turdferguson2839]

Really looks like he just took a Barnes bullet and then removed the polymer tip and let the petals fall off. I'm not an expert but the Barnes bullet expanding and having the sharp petals spinning would create a larger permanent wound channel than having the petals fall off and being left with just a flat nose.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast]

Yes, Mr. Ferguson, I think you'll discover that most all copper bullets these days are using the multiple relief grooves like the Barnes. The Hammer's however, are different (and patented, I believe) for their double radius grooves. Very little touches the bore so friction and pressure are reduced. This seems to bear out in my handloads. The hammer's get more velocity than other bullets with no pressure signs. As for the terminal performance, different folks have different theories. Some insist on the Barnes expansion and rotating petals effect, which has worked well for me. The Hammer boys believe in the "square front" bullet performance for radiating energy 90-degrees from the main wound channel. Which is best I can't figure because I've had excellent terminal performance from both. And a few times petal fragments have contributed to a critters demise by slicing arteries well away from the main wound channel.

[@jcarry5214]

Their entire construction and terminal ballistics philosophy is different from Barnes, as is their attitude towards internal (firing) ballistics. Where Barnes are famous for being extremely fussy in many guns Steve and Brian took extra care to design bullets that are full diameter but engrave less, making them more consistent across a wide variety of barrels. They are also machined and not cast, making them unbelievably consistent. Not trying to be a jerk, but they are very very different.

[@fuzztsimmers3415]

and imagine today alot of the hunting show hosts say you want to blow up both shoulders so they dont have to chase their antlers down.

[@LeotheBarbarian]

I don't understand why he pitches these bullets shedding their petals as a good thing, most other monolithic projectiles maintain most of their mass and provide through penetration with disproportionate to caliber wounding in most cases. I think also that maybe an expanded projectile can possibly "steer straight" after impact instead of tumbling like a FMJ.... this makes me wonder too about the real life performance of big bore solids on dangerous game

[@jcarry5214]

I've talked to guys that got pass throughs on feral cattle with 6.5 prc with this design. Penetration is not a problem, and neither is straight line travel. And disproportionate wounds are very much present. They designed these bullets to be different than the sea of monos they found hard to use and slow killing, but they still wanted the meat-saving aspect of copper. The shed material is also very devastating, all of mine passed all the way through just like the core when i shot a deer. It was not as broad a wound channel as some lead bullets but it was like a 3" tube had been disintegrated. It's a different philosphy, but after talking to a lot of guys about it and trying it myself I think it's a legitimate one, and it gives a lot more flexibility on impact resistance and speed than fully bonded bullets or hard copper monos. I personally believe in having a good amount of frag capability. Think of it more like a partition. The front will shed weight in soft tissue causing wide damage while the rear core is going to bore right through. Veering off is not something I heard about at all until recently, I've read from dozens of guys who made tough shots without that problem. long quartering hits that exited in a straight line. I've talked to guys who tested them on roadkill out to 800 yards and they got consistent results. It's a mono, more fps will always be better, and the wound channels are going to be more contained than fragmenting lead, but the design is pretty ingenious and turned me on to monos. That's just how I've come to see them. Oh and their raw accuracy is very high. Roughly 35 percent smaller groups than Hornady ELDM and 20 percent smaller than accubond long range for me, and those groups were already great. They additionally made themselves different by making very little mass at the full diameter, so it eliminates a lot of the variability/fussiness that make most monos and many bonded bullets hard to load for, they adapt well to every barrel. Just my thoughts.

[@parshafarahi172]

It's very interesting but not quite new Many RWS bullet do the same EVO GREEN, SPEED TIP and sometimes H MANTEL'S

[@jonfisher9960]

IMO the Hammer bullets don’t curl the petals break off so I’ll stick with the best Barnes TSX

[@fuzztsimmers3415]

that is what they said it is supposed to do. Did you even watch the video.

[@jonfisher9960]

@@fuzztsimmers3415 yes I know that’s why I don’t like them just like cutting edge bullets

[@mirta19422]

After seeing the video of Steve Davis Shooting through a aoudad and killing a little one behind it. Because he was not patient enough to wait tell a animal was not standing in a group. And the fact that in gel test, even his own test the bullet folds over on the front making it veer out not holding its path through. Think about that when you need deep penetration on a quartering shot. To many good hunting bullets to be using a subpar bullet like the hammer. And for those that say I killed this or that with no problem... Well you can kill with a 22 short and a ball peen hammer too but that does not make them right for the job.

[@jcarry5214]

You watch too much tv. You shouldn't believe everything someone says.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@jcarry5214 Especially when Steve pulls the video so you can't watch it happen, and financially supports the TV show that featured the hunt/shot, and they removed the baby aoudad out of the scene before approaching the kill with the TV camera to avoid embarrassment. The coverup is worse than the problem. It's like mainstream media these days, always deceiving the viewer with coverups.

[@jcarry5214]

@@exothermal.sprocket cover up? It’s his video. He made a mistake by listening to his guide on a ranch. You literally also watch too much television. I bet you get your info from that bearded knuckle dragger who is a proven liar. Everyone makes mistakes, they’re not obligated to publicise them. If you think that defines Steve then I can’t help you.

[@jcarry5214]

@@exothermal.sprocket if you’re someone who wants to dislike a particular person then go for it, but really you shouldn’t believe everything you hear from people with vendettas on the internet. My experience with people who go after hammers or steve is that the minute you present your evidence to the contrary suddenly you’re in collusion and deceitful, it just turns into a projection and non sequitur rage fest. Fingers in ears lalala

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@jcarry5214 Everything you said is non-material to my concerns. You learn about someone by their character, actions, ethics, morals, financial and business practices. Moral and upstanding people have just as many friends who praise them, as criminal and scumbag people do, and both will be defended by their own company. But what in the world does liking someone have to do with immoral, slimy unethical or deceitful actions? Nothing.

[@lanes8237]

Ron is surprisingly ignorant in his comments regarding wounding and weight shedding. It seems like he got all his information from Barnes.

[@Whiteghostkennels]

That doesn’t sound like a good bullet at all

[@jcarry5214]

It is though. Unreal wound channel.