22 Creedmoor Vs ALL 22 Centerfires

Welcome to Ron Spomer Outdoors! In this video, I compare all the 22 centerfires to the new 22 Creedmoor, and we'll look at how it holds up against the competition.
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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[@mikeinlutz]

222 Remington was my woodchuck gun growing up in Ohio in the '60s made spending money clearing bean fields of the chucks.

[@drewriggs812]

Ron, my family has a bit of a history with .22 centerfire rifles. My great-grandfather had a .218 Bee. He killed mule deer with it. One year, he loaned it to a buddy to mule deer hunt with. The buddy shot a deer and returned the rifle. The next year Grandpa Great pulled it out of the closet to get ready for the upcoming deer season and accidentally shot himself in the leg. He ended up losing his leg. Apparently his buddy returned the rifle loaded and Grandpa Great failed to check it. Needless to say firearm saftey is huge in our family now. My Mom decided she wanted to start mule deer hunting so my Dad went to buy her a .22-250 to hunt with. Well he ended up getting a great deal on a .222 Rem. My Mom would have no problem helping butcher the animals, but she couldn't bring herself to pull the trigger. Dad used the .222 Rem to kill 2 mule deer bucks. Both dropped dead on the spot. I got that .222, but I didn't reload so it was hard to find ammo. I traded it for a .30-06. I have killed 2 pronghorn with a .223 Rem. One at 140 yards the second at 222 yards. My wife used the same .223 Rem to take her first big game animal a pronghorn at 80yards. All three pronghorn went less than 25 yards and died. I am sold on .22 centerfire cartridges on game under 300lbs under 300 yards.

[@wmmikek]

I used to shoot a 220 Swift in the late fifties along with a 7x61 Sharpe and Hart, both very fast. My Dad was in todays terms a "Ballistic Speed Freak", we were loading everything to achieve +4000fps. The problem was the bullets at that velocity, primarily stabilization and separation. It was difficult to get a good set of dies for the 220 Swift. The collet when seating the bullets and crimp would bow. No CAD/CAM in those days, just excellent Gunsmiths and machinist!!!

[@66smithra]

The triple deuce and 22/250. Great, classic pair for medium and long range work, respectively.

[@scottsozmtns7534]

Got a Rem Model 722 in .222 Rem (2nd yr built), and it’s a darling to shoot. Whitetail seem to fall rather quickly with 1 well placed shot just fine!

[@jimnagel5611]

ME TOO -- MINE HAS ONLY HAD ONE BOX OF FACTORY AMMO THRU IT -- ALL THE REST HAS BEEN RELOADS -- ALL OF THEM JUST BELOW FACTORY SPECS WITH 50 GR BULLETS - STILL SHOOTS GREAT -- BARREL LOOKS GOOD - DOES EVERYTHING I WANT IT TO -- IF I NEED A BIGGER BULLET - I GO TO MY 243 -- AND SO ON -- NEVER GOT INTO THE CRAZE OF TRYING TO MAKE A 22 CENTERFIRE INTO A MOOSE GUN OR A SUPER DUPER LONG RANGE RAT KILLER - 200 YARDS IS MY LIMIT(DEER 100 YARDS) -- IF ITS FURTHER THAN THAT - I GET CLOSER OR JUST DONT SHOOT@@scottsozmtns7534

[@mikegriff8372]

@@scottsozmtns7534 Just bought a 722 last year and it is my new favorite. It is a tack driver. Love it.

[@unhippy1]

@@scottsozmtns7534.222 was my normal caliber for red deer for years......anything inside 200 meters that stood still without a bush in the way was dinner.

[@matthewotis3594]

Work on ground squirrels. About it besides people?

[@rossfelton1955]

22-250 is one of my favorite cartridges. Incredibly accurate. Surprisingly potent.

[@jonl8539]

I like mine in 8 twist with 80 gr bergers

[@vercingetorix3839]

That's not for me then. I prefer credibly inaccurate rounds. Predictably impotent.

[@SmartypantsMcChicken]

I know a guy that shot elk and deer etc with his 22 250... until he got checked by game and fish. They informed his hearing aids that his gun wasn't big enough and didn't fit the rules. He dragged the warden and judge into his trophy room to show them what he could do. The case was dropped. 😂

[@snookmeister55]

​You probably heard the story about moose being taken with 220 Swift headshots. That takes confidence.@@SmartypantsMcChicken

[@SmartypantsMcChicken]

@@snookmeister55 and the native play that took that grizzly with a bolt action 22.

[@rogerramjet7567]

Great topic. 22250 is IT !!! All around great !!

[@mubitasylvester7868]

I don't know but that 22-250 rem is a hot round to this day

[@Not-the-only-one]

it won’t stabilize the modern day high BC bullets that buck the wind down range unless you get a 1:8 twist. most 22-250s came with 1:12

[@jgrenwod]

@@Not-the-only-one I’ll never understand the slow twist on the 22-250. I have a 1:8 and the heavy bullets perform great at long range.

[@Not-the-only-one]

@@jgrenwod just curious what brand of 250? That’s what I will be looking into for my next rifle

[@snookmeister55]

I like copper but fast twist is needed there too for the same reason - it's longer.@@Not-the-only-one

[@Th3Su8]

There are quite a few .22 caliber cartridges that were not mentioned here, which I understand because there are many that are not being produced anymore. I would argue that it didn't start around the 22 Hornet though. There were some that came around well before that one was introduced dating back to the late 1800's, such as the .22 WCF. The one that gets a lot of the blame for the .22 caliber not being allowed for medium/big game hunting is the 22 Savage High Power. This one was developed around 1912 for the Savage model 99 and pushed a 70 grain soft point out around 3000 fps. It became somewhat popular overseas and was called the 5.6 x 52R.

[@snookmeister55]

22 Hornet is barely hanging on.

[@pyrobob208]

Many years ago I had a 220 Swift. Factory loads were claimed to be 4000fps.

[@snookmeister55]

True Story about Swift 4000 fps. Think about a 165 grn going that fast in 30 caliber.

[@doransponsel4813]

​@@snookmeister55that would take a big bang

[@snookmeister55]

​​338 Lapua Mag, 1-off barrel.

[@pete1342]

All the WSSM cartridges are orphans today. They were an answer to a question no one was asking.

[@anthonyrstrawbridge]

222 Rem! Is there anything else?

[@donniepowell7146]

I wholeheartedly agree.

[@mblake0420]

223

[@stephencooper5040]

Yes, the 22-250 is obviously superior.

[@gonepostal9101]

Yeah, my old Sako .22-250.

[@JW...-oj5iw]

In the middle '70s I was recommended the .22-250 for the prairie dogs in our area. I had no concept of what it would do. I bought a Ruger Model 77 and a super cheap scope. Popped some soda cans in the local trash dump so I had confidence in the ability to hit a prairie dog. I only had factory ammo 55gr bullets and gave it a shot. The recoil lifted the image in the scope and I thought I had missed. My concept of the cartridge was that it was just a faster round like a .22LR. When I found the varmint I was shocked. PD was nearly disintegrated, leaving the head and front legs, a strip of skin, the hind legs and tail. Everything else vaporized. Since that time I began handloading and sticking with 40-45 gr bullets for lightning strikes. I've shot quite a few rounds, but I'm a long way from burning out the barrel. Gun is still like new. I'm a diehard Ruger fan. My most recent acquisition is a polished stainless Vaquero in .45 Colt. Excellent, powerful revolver.

[@jayjudd6518]

This was an eye opener for me. My 221 Fireball is pretty good with hand loading with the newer fast powders. Varmints mostly I stay with 40 grain bullets.

[@stevenpeterson9016]

in the new Hornady reloading books still shows the 220 Swift 100 FPS over the 22-250 plus the swift is more accurate for many of us with the 55 gr. bullet. your FPS max load. are a little wrong in book #9 look it up.

[@WayTruthLife-fd4dp]

Also the 220 swift is heavy to carry around. Glad ya don't have to carry it to far though . It will reach waaaaaay out there

[@caleb8239]

The parent case of the.22 ARC is the 6.5 Grendel, not the 6 ARC.

[@BDKR]

Yep! Was going to say the same thing.

[@samimanninen1417]

220 Russian

[@OutsidetheEchochamber]

7.62×39 but I understood

[@randygerhart5076]

You ar3 all correct 😊

[@WyattIreton]

You should do a video of the most historical cartridges

[@thomasdye9268]

I have many of these, including the hotrods. I have a Remington 788 22-250, a Remington 700 classic 220 Swift, and a Browning Varmint SS 223 WSSM. All three have "24 barrels. Sure, the 223 WSSM is the speed champion but the 22-250 is the most practical. There isn't enough of a velocity difference to matter much in my humble opinion. The 223 WSSM's 1:10 twist rate is hard on lighter bullets. I've had the 220 Swift rimlock on me but nobody ever talks about that nowadays. My Savage 223 covers almost everything I need to do with a 22 centerfire caliber. The 1:7 to 1:8 fast twist 22 Creedmoor looks interesting and I hope Savage makes one in their 110 based action with a 24-26 barrel.

[@johnwilburn8319]

I like the way you think.Logical and truthful.Not the this is my favorite so it makes it the best.

[@davidmackee8575]

Good video Ron but I like my 22-250 have had most of the others but will stick with what I have take care...

[@danielmaine45]

220 Swift for the win!

[@jc7654]

good Fox round

[@barbarapiercy4312]

Hodgdon does list the firearm or test barrel length. It’s the “bar” just before the actual reloading data. Love the channel. Keep up the great content!!!!

[@joepiper9476]

Hi Ron, I am a recent subscriber and really enjoy your videos. The timing of this video is incredible because I recently picked up a new to me Sako L461 Vixen in .223 Remington and it is quickly becoming my favorite rifle. When I took it out for the first time to sight it in it put five rounds through a hole the size of a quarter with factory loads at 100 yards. (I would like to say I am that good but truthfully it was the rifle). I am curious about some of these hotter loads burning the barrels out. I know during World War II and before large Naval guns would burn the barrels out at around 300 rounds but in the 1950s something called the Swedish Additive came out and extended barrel life all but indefinitely. Is there not something similar in modern powders? Thank you for all the time you take to educate us and I hope you enjoy it as much as we do.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

I know nothing about Naval guns and Swedish Additive, but knowing that flame temperature at the leade (start of the rifling) is what "burns out," I can't imagine that any additive stops this. There are cooler burning powders, however, and those can help. Highest muzzle velocities do not always equate with faster barrel burning. It's a balance between bullet weight and powder type. Some lighter loads of certain powders can develop more MV than some heavier loads.

[@_JimS]

I never followed trends so I settled on a wildcat cartridge 22-243 Middlestead and have seen little in the .224 world that compares. My rifle started and a 22-Cheetah but that's a lot of work so I transformed it to a Middlestead. The 22-243 Winchester is even easier than my Middlestead as a wildcat to build, but not as efficient at longer ranges. Good stuff Ron, as usual, enjoy your videos immensely. Stay well.

[@rikkys]

I'm British. I'll never shoot or see these rounds the laws are too strict but Ì enjoy these videos a lot.

[@richardstoffel6585]

What can you shoot?

[@rikkys]

@richardstoffel6585 ATM a bbq gun and air rifle limited to 12ftlbs of energy. I have both. Without applying for a license which is similar in the UK to joining the cia.

[@404nitro]

Winchester chambered the model 65 for the 218 Bee and later the model 43 bolt action. which obviously handles pointed bullets just fine. It will outdo the 22 Hornet by 150-200 fps with proper loads all across the board. I own a M 43 in fine condition in 218 Bee that was my fathers that he bought new in the very early 50's. I own a Savage 23B in 25-20 as well so I have father and son so to speak. The 225 Winchester is actually a rimmed case but Winchester advertised it as a "semi rimmed" case. Winchester reduced the rim of the 219 Zipper so that the rim would fit a std bolt face of the model 70 etc. I came very close to buying a Savage 340 in that caliber one time and wish I had now.

[@gunman-6646]

I love these kind of videos Ron. Thanks!

[@davidme9698]

Do it swiftly!! The first one I built in 92 with a tight neck and a 31” Douglas barrel averaged 4200 fps with a 55 gr and 4800 fps with a 38 gr Calhoun bullet. 5 shot Groups averaged 1inch with three in same hole. Shot that barrel out and it took thirty years to find another barrel that could match that speed. This one is a wilson 1/14 twist 26” shoots a 40 grain max at 4800 fps primers are pretty flat but opens with slight tension.

[@jamesbent2584]

I love this guy he's a walking ballistic encyclopedia well dun ron

[@robincoker225]

My uncle here in Australia has a 222 Martini action cardet rifle which has a rimmed cartridge

[@TMFShooting]

Excellent Ron , Another Great Video 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

[@Mikejohnson-wr2hd]

You didn’t mention, Ron, but the 222 was a scaled down 30-06. Not necked down but the 222 was actually scaled. If you look at photos of them you can clearly see that the 222 is just a scaled down 30-06. Just an interesting thing from the past.

[@ajheath5123]

Each 22 center fire has a unique ability, the 22 Hornet is efficient with about 550-700 rounds to a pound of powder to the 22-250 and 22 Creedmoor one is hot nasty speed and the other is efficient in flight. I have 17 and 22 hornets and a 22-250. In the next couple years there might be a 22 ARC hanging around, who knows.

[@jimnaz5267]

AS ALWAYS very informative. thanks

[@dustinweaver3032]

22lr, 22mag, 22 hornet, 204 ruger, 22-250, 243, 17hmr, 17 wsm. 17 hornet. This is all you need for smaller calibers. Instead of a bunch of new calibers I would rather see plenty of ammo on the shelves for calibers that have been around for years. They need to stop reinventing the wheel. Love your channel Ron.

[@mikespangler98]

I wouldn't complain about a factory K-Hornet. But in general, no argument.

[@chadillac95]

Didn't know the manufacturers needed to base their production solely on your opinion

[@mikespangler98]

@@chadillac95 The manufacturers need to listen more to the customers and less to Marketing. My list would be even shorter. 22 lr, 22 mag, 22 Hornet, 223, 22-250. If you need a heavier bullet the next step up is 6 mm or 257. Personally I never saw the point of putting more than a 70 gr bullet into a 22, but that's a personal opinion.

[@dustinweaver3032]

@@chadillac95 you said it it's just my opinion and you're welcome to your opinion

[@TexDrinkwater]

My dad, for whatever reason, was always a fan of the .218 Bee, and had one in his gun safe 'til the end, along with a couple of boxes of ammunition.

[@michaelmarcucci3980]

The “22 Remington Jet “ would be a good one to be in the line up 😊. Great videos Ron, 👍

[@danheath4564]

Easier to find than 218 for me. 22 jet is a great farm gun. PPU was making it not too long ago, if they aren't now.

[@JT-py9lv]

HI Ron. Would love to see your thoughts on the 6x45 (6mm 223).

[@foonus406]

You're right about Winchester sabotaging some of their own chamberings with terrible marketing decisions. .17WSM is a great round but they only licensed Savage and Ruger to make the rifles, with Hornady being the only other manufacturer of ammo. Savage promptly put the chambering in their terrible B-MAG lineup, and Ruger stopped making them completely. Hornady put the final nail in the coffin by not manufacturing any of the WSM ammo because its a direct competitor to their HMR. So what are we left with? Savage B-Mags and Winchester rimfire ammo that yields ES of 80... if you can find it.

[@philmullineaux5405]

Believe it or not Collectors firearms sells old ammo and rifles and military rifles...I saw boxes of 218 bee , 220 swift,221 fireball and 219 zipper!😮😮😮

[@cameronalexander359]

.22 hornet is a much under appreciated cartridge

[@justinross7469]

I disagree lol, as a person that's had an eye out for a older hornet in good shape. I've worked in the largest gun shop in my state for two years, I'm very well traveled an always hit up the gun shops. I have still yet to find a single one for sale in person.

[@berettanut]

Ron, did you miss the 5.7x28? Also, I always thought the 22-250 was a 308 necked down, but now I understand the name.....

[@ChrisEdling]

Naw 22 cheetah is 308 necked down to 22

[@billj5645]

.300 Savage and .250-3000 are basically shortened .308 cases, the back part of the case is the same. Neck that case down and you get .22-250. For that matter the back part of the case is the same as the .270 and .30-06. If you are reloading you can use the same shell holder for a whole lot of cartridges in that range.

[@ChrisEdling]

@billj5645 yes they all share a case head diameter of I believe. 473 8mm mauser is technically the parent case for all of those

[@overallgreatidea6433]

Give credit where due- the 5.7x28mm is a 75 year old cartridge aka 5.7 MMJ or .22 Spitfire

[@doghousedon1]

The 218 Bee will launch a 40 gr. bullet at a little over 2900 fps, a 50 gr. bullet at 2600, a 52 gr. at 2500, and a 55 gr. at almost 2400 fps. Source is from Lyman's Reloading Manual, 45th edition. Those loads use IMR 4227. I have plenty of Bee data I'm willing to share. A free pdf download of that manual can be found in a Google search, "lyman 45th edition reloading handbook free pdf. download." Hope this helps, and thanks for the vid.

[@lmj2783]

Great video Ron. Really enjoyed this. 22250 Ackley is king of them all . 50gn Nosler 4150fps.

[@Deere2154D]

The point of wsm and wssm is more powder charge for a hotter round to shoot out of a shorter barrel. Keeps around the same speed of a longer barrel but easier to pack in bush.

[@jaybailleaux630]

PO ACKLEY proved the 220 swift was the maximum case capacity for 22 caliber. The only way to increase velocity is with higher camber pressure . The limit is the brass case and primer. A cartridge case functions as a gasket. The Sig Fury 277 has a steel case head and runs at much higher than much higher than normal chamber pressure . Maybe something can be done with that technology to get higher velocity sporting cartridges. A high BC bullet at 5000 fps would be awesome.

[@erwinschmidt7265]

Hmm....My .221 Rem Fireball can plaster 3 shots @200 yds, that you can cover w/a dime, & that's a Pistol folks!! Dallas Police found 2 brass from development cartridge for XP 100 on some grassy knoll, but Warren dudes said, single Magic Bullet from some book did our Prez in!! Nice thing about XP is, w/diagonal chest sleeve holster, perp could stumble-bum along tracks swingin his arms & singin' Oh Suzana, but Coppers would just ignore! Did D. Warren Intelligentsia ever consider that?

[@redneckarchaeology3768]

An interesting round (pistol cartridge)that we never hear about anymore is the 22 Remington jet.

[@Jerry-xi3zq]

220 Swift all the way

[@lorengreenwell8493]

My two favorites, 200 yards or less the 22 K-Hornet with a 40 gr bullet moving 3,000 fps and out to 600 yards 219 Donaldson Wasp with 1-7" twist and 80 - 90 gr bullets. BTW: The FiveseveN is a rimless 22 K-Hornet and the 22 Valkyrie is a rimless 219 DW.

[@nathant3897]

They have that 6mm max now also which sucks because I just built my 6mm arc gas gun and I could have gotten another 200yds of precision shooting. Those 6mm arcs are good to 800 but I’ve had friends that have done well to 1000. The Hornady rounds available for the 6arc are 105gr, 103 and 108gr never seen any 55s and my load data says it’s a .243 not a 22 loading so I’m definitely a little confused to this point

[@danhufferdoutdoors]

i have no idea why but i am so interested in 22 center fire, thank you !

[@billr4677]

Ron. I was surprised to hear you say the 223 rem was generally a 1:14 tw. I thought that was only in target rifles whereas the hunting (most common today) are 1:9 - 1:91/2. But it seems Savage and ruger (I believe) are making 1:7 bolt action rifles these days. One other thing can you do en episode on why the 6 rem lost out to the 243. Was it a twist rate thing.?

[@neilreid9005]

Didn't even know there is a .22 Creedmore. Wow.

[@islandborn9649]

How about .223 super shot mag. Does it apply to this list?

[@Zefferum]

I was browsing the Lapua website the other day, and came across a .22 cartridge I’d never heard of, the .220 Russian I’ve since not found much information about it and I’m wondering what the cartridge’s properties might be. Kind regards from the UK.

[@McDanielRanch]

Idk what I will learn in this video but I know I want a 22creed in a lever for a saddle gun.

[@Juliang61]

22Arc is actually based on the 6.5 Grendel not the 6 Arc case.

[@eliasastol7926]

i wish this guy was my grandpa!

[@Blair338RUM]

Factory round is the 22Creedmoor with SRP brass.

[@jonybgoode1]

ron...just out of curiosity, is that velocity correct on the 22-250?? ive just never remembered when shooting the same weight bullet that a 22-250 out shoots a 220 swift..??

[@ericteipen]

I have shot and reloaded the 220 Swift for nearly 50 years now and a 60 grain will not completely stabilize in a 1/14 twist barrel

[@shotshowcase]

Great video !

[@holycowbatman9565]

Hey Ron! Whatever happened to the Remington 5 mm magnum?

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Remington stopped chambering it in the late 1970s or mid 80s, as I recall. No one else but T/C chambered it. Aguila still makes ammo for it.

[@dannywilsher4165]

I had a 5mm mag and I absolutely loved that gun!!! The rifle was stolen along with 28 other guns but I still have a full box of 5mm ammo...

[@CA-ff8kw]

I would like to see 243 versus 22 creedmoor

[@shawntailor5485]

Thanks for giving savage the creds Ron . Was it one of his Newton cartridges ? As you know i love gramps 300 sav. But rounds are getting hard to get .

[@LTVoyager]

Many of these numbers are suspect. The 5.56 is spec’d for substantially higher pressure than the .223. There is not way that the velocity is the same for these if loaded to maximum pressure which is what one would do if comparing maximum performance. Likewise, the .220 Swift is faster than the .22/250 with maximum loads. I was surprised to see it listed slower here. Makes me wonder what other errors are present.

[@gunsquawk4443]

Where are they finding these videos? Ron Spomer passed away in March of 2020. Great videos though. Keep his memory alive.

[@charlieandhudsonspal7031]

😳

[@ben501st]

The FN 5.7x28mm cartridge has gone through a bit of a resurgence despite being a rather small 22 centerfire. No parent case either.

[@calebschwanke3871]

Hodgdon and any other load manual give the barrel length used to test. If they vary cartridge to cartridge using 25 fps/in works pretty well. I know you know this even though you said you don’t.

[@garywiest4103]

40 plus years ago on an old hunting t.v. show they had an Eskimo with a 2dog sled out on the polar ice hunting for polar bear. When bear was sighted he moved ahead to intercept. He hid behind a slab of ice with his sled and turned his to dogs loose. They ran to the bear a d staying back aways stopped the bear. He then with one shot from his .222 into its ear dropped it stone dead ! I have shot both antelope & mule deer with my trusty .222. One shot behind front leg and up 4 " on the antelope and approx. 6" up on the deer. No shot into shoulder or spine as I processed my own game. Hit a bone and you end up with blood shot and ruined meat ! Montana man.

[@dainironfoot102]

Throw 22 tcm and 5.7x28 for giggles.

[@dougadams9419]

No mention of the FN5.7X28 which uses a .224" projectile in 35gr., 40gr. and 45gr..

[@eriksforestryvision8751]

If its not an ar platform get a 243 and get tons of small and medium game. Extremely hard to beat for what it is

[@trizzzley]

I believe the 22ARC is actually a necked down 6.5 Grendel cartridge.

[@-Zevin-]

The 5.56 is almost always hotter than .223, with higher pressures and higher velocities. One aspect that tends to throw people off is the box numbers. If you look at a box of .223 and 5.56 it's certainly similar, but what isn't is test barrel length. Often times the test length of 5.56 is out of a short carbine, while the .223 is out of a long bolt action rifle, when you consider same barrel length, 5.56 is more powerful. Put .223 in a 14inch carbine and you are going to see much lower velocity, likewise put 5.56 in a 24inch barreled bolt gun and you will see much higher velocities than the box.

[@fliesbyme]

Ron. Ron. Ron. Here's the skill testing question. (great video by the way). What type of sharpener are you using on those knives? You can have great steel in hand but crap for edge restoration capabilities. So what do they recommend? Asking for a friend. LOL

[@bep357]

What does Ron Spomer wear? What cologne does he use?

[@r.awilliams9815]

The .220 Weatherby Rocket didn't give much additional performance over the Swift, and wore out the bore even faster. It might be interesting to revisit it with a fast twist barrel using modern powders, if you can find some brass. Now, if you really wanted to wear out a bore fast, you could go with the .22/6mm Ackley Improved...that ought to do it.

[@cynthiakoehne7004]

Kentucky ballistics said the 22-250 was the most powerful .22 centerfire in a bench pistol. I say WRONG, your line-up, + if you chamber the .220 swift, then you are talking REAL horsepower!

[@johnwilson5339]

220 swift is the best in my opinion...

[@anthonyhandspiker2084]

In my old Hodgdon manaul it claims 2567 ft/sec for 55 gr bullets for the 218 bee

[@jeffreymccright3542]

Regarding the 218 Bee, Frank C. Barnes in his book, Cartridges of the World, 11thEdition, states that the Factory Load 46gr soft point bullet was loaded to velocities of about 2760fps. He further lists load data from Sierra Bullet Company for 55gr soft point bullets to velocities varying from 2300 to 2500 fps. Regarding the 219 Zipper, same source lists a factory loaded 55gr bullet to velocities of 3110fps. The Zipper 's parent cartridge being a necked down 25-35 WCF case. Winchester dropped the Zipper in 1962 with Remington dropping the cartridge a year or so later. Regarding the 22 Hornet, same source states that its predecessor was the 22 WCF (introduced in 1885 as a black powder cartridge with a factory loaded 45gr lead flat nose bullet to velocities of 1500fps). The best I can determine, the 22 Hornet is simply a reintroduced 22 WCF using modern gun powder at increased chamber pressure allowances thus greater velocities. Keep in mind that pre-World War II 22 Hornet rifles are chambered for .223 diameter bullets, whereas post-war rifles are chambered for .224 diameter bullets. Just some fun facts for anyone who might be interested.

[@stephencooper5040]

12:43 many people had problems with the .22 Nosler, pressure signs at what should be reasonable pressures, etc. Many folks who were already handloaders decided to use different brass with a larger base and different bolt face. Eventually someone settled on reforming 6mm Hagar brass and birthed the “.22 Nosgar”

[@shanefrericks5929]

I also have a 219 zipper

[@josephstabile9154]

The .220 Swift has slightly larger case capacity than .22-250, and thus will drive 55 gr bullets slightly faster. Winchester put the.218 Bee in the M92 derivative M65 lever action; the .219 Zipper was intro'd in the M94 derivative M64. The .225 was inspired by the .219 Ackley Improved Zipper. The Zipper cartridge is a .30-30 derivatlve, but the .225, while similar in appearance, is actually a de noveau cartridge, and brass for this has become very scarce. BTW, outside of a very few of the earliest M54 .220 Swifts that had 1-16" twists, because the were sourced from Winchester's existing stock of nickel steel .22 Hornet barrels, Winchester henceforth only used 1-14" twist stainless steel barrels. Remington only used the same 1-14" twist in its M700 & M788 rifles.

[@shaunoliverii8961]

What about the 22GT? Does it count, or does the 22 Creedmoor trounce it?🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@cmasailor]

22-high-power for the win.

[@perrypiehl3209]

I'm stuck on the .22 wmr. It works for me.

[@kaineweiss5102]

Was the 22 arc on here

[@jaredloveland5314]

you missed the 22tcm another popular one for small game

[@georgecoons6872]

i like the belt fed 10 gauge machine gun. oo buckshot.

[@colinvoss8484]

I have and like the 218 bee.

[@craig6809]

I'm just here to get a crisp high 5 from the other 22-250 owners. Good choice fellas.

[@bsacheli]

Why didn't you mention 5.7x28? it's a .224.

[@kieranh2005]

You forgot the Eargeschplitten Loudenboomer. Its a .22 bore centrefire.

[@MichaelMiller-g6g]

Hodgdon balistics 218 Bee with 55gr bullet. Velocity 2567fps Powder H4198 13.5 grs

[@paulvaillancourt5659]

Great, and informative videos Mr. Spomer. Kind'a sorry you didn't mention the 1912, 22 Savage Hi-Power. I briefly own a Euro combination chambered in it over a 2-3/4 12 ga. Would only have varminted with that, though there is a photo on it's Wikipedia page of one American Missionary H. R. Caldwell with the 400 pound tiger he took in China. If that don't beat all, an Englishman, and famed elephant hunter, W. D. M. Bell allegedly took, no not an elephant, but a West African forest buffalo with same cartridge. Daring or what? The parent case is reported to have been the 25-35 Winchester (parented from the 30-30 Winchester). Once a popular cartridge, it fell out of favor as newer, hotter 22 cf's came along, and is no longer manufactured in the United states. There is still some European interest though, and is still produced by a dwindling few there to supply the many combination guns chambered in it. As ammunition is very hard to come by on this side of the pond, I decided to part ways with my BRNO. I do still occasionally see a Savage model 99 lever gun at auction chambered in it. The only earlier incarnation of the 22 cf, I know of, would be the long defunct 22 Winchester Centerfire 1885 to 1930.

[@robr1656]

Was looking to see if anyone remembered this one. Thanks!

[@applianceguy613]

It seems that the .22 Savage Hi-Power was overlooked.

[@Matthew-wn8oq]

Knowing velocity is kind of a useless bit of data if you dont have the energy. FPS/FPE

[@tracynorman3563]

Accuracy 22 250 is my favorite

[@jamespettit1792]

What about the 22PPC. Is it still around?

[@gregwhite6334]

I have some 22-250 factory loads at 4000fps on the box.