Rose Roes, talks about Non Duality, September 2 - 2023

[@zanna660]

it kinda cozy to listen 🤗

[@rafaelafonso312]

❤

[@michaelbuhlmann6167]

🙏❤️❤️⭕❤️❤️🙏

[@nitzator]

Since I need light to see anything, by what light do I see darkness? Since I know it is dark, this implies that I can see the darkness or that I am aware of the darkness. That light because of which I can see even the darkness is not opposite itself to darkness. In fact, it is the light of consciousness that illumines the darkness so that I am aware of the darkness in the room. That it is dark in the room is also an object of knowledge. Same about when you say there is nothing and it is just this /what it is--are also constructs! They are objects of your perception, These are still part of duality as Rose is the one talking about it! Pure awareness is total silence and wholesome with consciousness, existence and contentment.

[@mariamarshall338]

It’s an imaginative awareness hard to explain but it seems so much like momentary imagination going on and on so deep words can hardly explain

[@angelmoon8114]

Hi Rose 🌹 So, it’s being heard… there is a getting that, however, words and questions are dualistic the question apparently has to be asked… When this gentleman was talking about London or no London… Apparently there’s this body sitting here in the United States in a state called, Kentucky and you or the body is apparently over in the Netherlands? If there’s not two, then I guess my question is it’s only what’s a rising and its singular, so is there really no apparent body sitting here in one location and an apparent body where you are sitting in another location? the other question is, if I apparently am on a phone call who’s on the other end of that call? ❤

[@rosemarijnroes]

Hi Angelmoon, we can imagine a lot. Where is that othter person, it is imagined it is there. The only thing that is heard is a sound.

[@dr.donlevine3955]

I would like for clarity about the word "real?" I touch my skin or a table and it is real to me. I like to have more of an understanding of your definition so I can explain it effectively.

[@marka2188]

As long as you think or feel “I am touching my skin” then of course it is real. But question….. who is touching the skin? Realizing the answer is your end of suffering.

[@ccr7712]

Regarding to this message, everything is nothing appearing as something, that’s why it’s not real. When you touching a table, it’s just nothing appearing as a certain sensation. Everything is nothing appearing as sounds, sensations, objects, etc. It’s not solid.

[@marka2188]

@@ccr7712please stand on the track of an oncoming train. Then you will quickly know that the train is real.

[@dr.donlevine3955]

Thank you for your clarification. I see it that way too. Everything we see and touch is Form and form is nothing or no thing. God is nothing or no thing because it is energy or formlessness. @@ccr7712

[@ccr7712]

@@marka2188what is meant that it’s not real is that it’s not solid as it feels, it’s energy, atoms, protons and electrons vibrating around nucleus, mostly empty space that seems, feels, and most people think it’s a solid matter. I don’t deny that if you stand on train track and train hits you, it will hurt, feel like solid object hit you, pain, probably kill you, etc.

[@KingJorman]

what if listening to this message is a form of conditioning...we resonate with the speaker and just go off into the ocean...I've become a drone

[@quanjaileevong321]

Story is language. Language is being taught from around 2 years old starting from words,words to sentences. We are not born with language put in our mouth. It is something learned from a very young age and we completely believe in words and never one minute question the nature of words(languages).How history of languages are developed over several thousand years.Words cannot describe reality...reality that you feel, hear,touch,smell,taste. Everything is as it is.Words described and what you perceived are two different things. Even what is written here are words .What is writing...they are just scratches but we are taught ..these are a,b,c,d...ก ข ค งจ ..In reality nothing can be described .What you describe is the sound of voice with has no real meaning. For example...the word "water" can mean anything depends on how your community agree upon what it refers to. Everything is as it is... unknown, undescribable.

[@dawgdrum]

Krishnamurti

[@nitzator]

The one who says that there is no one is also a mind process! It is another thought like any other concept! According to Advaita Vedanta we live in 3 levels of reality and one of that is an empirical and universal like pleasure and pain, happiness and sadness, sensations, thoughts, feelings,perceptions are all still reality of the world under 'vyavaharika' or empirical world. Most of the human population live in this reality. Under this reality Our experience is not No One!! In the higher reality there is pure awareness and awareness is not a thing but it is wholesome and is Existence, is consciousness and is Contentment. I exist and I am aware is always a constant and needs no proof! As long as you have a form and a name you are awareness and you are also an existence in the form of a human! To live in this saying that I am no one in the empirical world is delusional! Mistaking the rope for a snake is a good example of our life. Rope is still real compared to the mistaken belief of that being a snake in the empirical world. In the higher reality you shift the focus to pure awareness -

[@marka2188]

Nicely said.

[@ccr7712]

That would be incorrect regarding to this message, awareness is the illusory sense of self, that keeps you feeling separate from everything else.

[@karlskaret275]

@ccr7712 as you and I know, this message is just talking happening, it is gibberish, as stated by all radical non duality speakers. There is nothing correct about it. Nothing exists outside of awareness. There is no "just what's happening" without awareness. Sense of self does not automatically mean only sense of individual separate self. It means One Self. Close your eyes. Don't think. Be aware of awareness. Then come back and tell me we are not One consciousness. Listening to these speakers makes me want to scream. It is the essence of contradiction. Endless explaining that there is nothing to explain. There is no self, but all they talk about is what it's like to be a self. Rose isn't talking about the weather, or hobbies, or tables tableing. She only talks to selves about what it feels like to be a self, from the point of view of a self. Call it apparent if you want, but it is still contradiction. Call it gibberish if you want, but don't make arguments for gibberish. Hang in there ccr. Namaste 🙏. I know you ccr. I'm not arguing with you. It's all the radical speaker's that make me want to scream. I guess I shouldn't let it bother me, but the contradiction is obnoxious. And they say they are not trying to help anyone...well if it's not help, it is "apparent" help. And it is not helping anyone. If there really is no one, then maybe no one would be talking. Self is selfing. There is no "just what's happening" without awareness. Maybe it's all just a story. But it's a story that cares about itself.

[@ccr7712]

@@karlskaret275 some, or maybe most by now, of the radical Non-duality speakers out there, are people who just lost their mind 😂, are not comprehending this correctly, and cause mass confusion regarding radical non duality. But the issue regarding Awareness is very clear to me. Awareness is something that keeps you feeling separate from everything else. Sorry man but I can’t agree with you about that. What’s confuses you is that you feel you are looking out of your eyes. It’s just appearance it self, that changes, you are not looking at it .

[@karlskaret275]

@@ccr7712 you probably responded to my comment before I finished editing it. Tell me what you think after quieting your mind.