ROSS REACTS TO WHY WRESTLEMANIA 17 WAS ALMOST THE DARKEST DAY IN WRESTLING HISTORY

[@LwandaMandla-eo3io]

Thank God that Jim Ross made that phone call to Tommy

[@TehJew22]

Amen 🙏🏻

[@shawnmichaels568]

What a coincidence, I just finished watching the video & now Ross is making a reaction video of it. But I'm still gonna watch anyway. 😂

[@Papellxhase]

Facts. I just had some Popeyes & watched it about a hour ago & now ross wants to post a reaction to it after I done ate & already seen it🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️😂😭

[@making_my_m4rk]

I seen it pop up for me last night, and I didn’t watch it cuz I was gonna watch it later then, I had the basically same reaction y’all had

[@judahofjudea4601]

That's really dark and I've heard a lot of wrestling stories over the decades of being a fan, I don't think I've ever heard this one till it popped up on my feed a few days ago.

[@Mikejack944]

Me too😂

[@krestainwatsonjr.]

If Dreamer didn't receive that call from Jim Ross, It would've been over for Heyman

[@Starsaber222]

Or even if he just didn't check his voicemail.

[@prestige2000xdr]

Would’ve made people dislike dreamer even more lol

[@joetheman8550]

Jim Ross is most definitely one of the *best* things to happen to pro wrestling. The man saved two lives with one phone call. Vince did not appreciate him enough. It will be a very sad day when JR leaves us

[@yoishikakatshihe6402]

Who is the second person ?

[@joetheman8550]

@@yoishikakatshihe6402 Paul heyman. By calling Tommy, JR indirectly saved Heyman's life

[@ejflores9141]

Omg… “The heart and soul of ECW” Never did I know that he was done so wrong by the very company he helped build up 🤯🙏🏽💯

[@Papellxhase]

Not only him but a lot of the guys who kept ecw afloat heyman did dirty & never even to this day paid them which is fucked up

[@peytonlong5573]

Just thinking of the possibility of The Rock or Austin hitting their finisher on the other, then outta nowhere it goes black because of that shit would be wild

[@ak-jxrdy-7]

Damn man, this was insane. Tommy nearly had a reasonable crash out. Shout out to Jim Ross. Dope reaction as always, keep up the great work!

[@GoldSpider55047]

The scary thing is Tommy was probably not the only ECW guy close to killing Heyman

[@edaniels240]

Alot of them were especially Sandman, Sabu, & Taz

[@savmadetf866]

@@edaniels240no new jack was specifically

[@Lt_Chloe]

But dreamer was the only one who put his and his parent's money into the company and dreamer was the one who considered himself the right hand man of heyman

[@joshjoseph189]

Dude wrestlemania 17 was gonna be Chris benoited if that happened

[@spartanq7781]

In a sense worse as this would have been in public.

[@TheXtremist360]

Wrestling AS A WHOLE would have been Chris Benoit'd, let's be real here.

[@d.52555]

The wrestling business as a whole would’ve had to go back to the circus shows

[@wmxx2000]

6:12 in 1995, $75k is about $155k in 2024. (Assuming 1999) end of the milenium, $750k is about $1.4 million.

[@ak-jxrdy-7]

That's life changing money, especially if it was on a yearly basis.

[@maverickedmondson5229]

millenium

[@kingamiri1958]

That's crazy Tommy was being so loyal meanwhile Paul was the one being shady

[@pleaseshutup7053]

Usually how it goes

[@gamercreature2587]

This is why humans can never be as loyal as animals we just end up being screwed up by the wrong people.

[@northenlightsss]

​@@gamercreature25871000 percent brother, nothing but snakes and fakes.

[@LordZaayl]

Heyman is the ultimate carny, he has a silver tongue and thats how he convinced a locker room of dudes to go out and do crazy shit night after night on the promise of maybe getting paid.

[@flboy85]

Loyalty to a company over the benefit of your family is always idiotic. Tommy should've demanded partial ownership in order to stay. If the company will go out business without me then I deserve to be an owner.

[@pleaseshutup7053]

Many people are loyal to a company and paid back bigger and better

[@pleaseshutup7053]

@@flboy85 undertaker and hbk were loyal to wwe. Bischoff tried to sign both. And as weird as it sounds it worked out for dreamer because wwe signed him to a contract for the invasion keeping him for 10 years from late 02-until one night stand in 05 he was essentially paid by wwe fans to do nothing

[@d.52555]

@@pleaseshutup7053only if it’s in writing

[@LordZaayl]

@@pleaseshutup7053 *A handful of people. Trust me, people like Taker and Micheals were the exception, not the rule. Wrestling was and is a cutthroat business run by shysters and carny's. People got taken advantage of a lot. Taker's first wrestling teacher literally took his money and ran. The Hardy's were making like, $50 a show because the guy claiming to get them the gig was taking a $100 booking fee every time. Many bookers famously were sketchy as hell trying to actually get your pay at the end of the night.

[@stsolomon618]

My aunt had the vhs of wrestlemania 17 and watched it all the time. I saw this video, and it is crazy.

[@LadyAbsolution]

Hearing the what if’s of this situation god forbid Wrestlemania 17 and the legacy of the show would have been remembered for all the wrong reasons. Good on JR for saying Paul’s, Tommy’s and other lives that night.

[@Nobody-bp5wh]

It makes me chuckle hearing the word "potentially" when discussing Paul Heyman not paying somebody. If you go back in the Observer... God damn, this man was not paying _anybody_ anything.

[@therealangelalexander1858]

The dude was bouncing checks when he still had New Jack on the roster. That alone speaks to how much of a miracle it is that Paul didn't get jumped or robbed or flat out killed.

[@StraightEdgeKnight19]

Imo WrestleMania 17 is still the greatest WrestleMania of all time.

[@shaolinshefgaming400]

I agree, it was long asf but I loved everything about it

[@hunterdelano]

I loved the rock and stone colds video package

[@thetruej7872]

Big facts. Easily one of the best WrestleManias

[@deadrocky2458]

That's the greatest mania

[@peytonlong5573]

Only ones on it’s level since are 19,21, 25,30 and 40 so I’d have to say it’s valid

[@respect_the_curv]

This video is CHILLING. like this shit is WIYULD. Jim Ross legit saved two lives that day.

[@JWUniverse]

Praise God JR called him, always set up your voicemails! You just never know…. So sorry Dreamer had to go through that situation i wish he would have gone to WCW at the time I was a WCW watcher… Never even heard of ECW till Vince bought it in 2001!

[@AlfordOmega63]

I deadass didn't realize Lita was an ECW OG

[@flybirdsfly2091]

Another great reaction ross,and This video made me was like wow.but still. WrestleMania 17 will always be my favorite

[@pressplayulysses]

Good Ol' Jim Ross, thank you so much.

[@Irritant1000]

Heyman is lowkey evil . Screwed over a lot of wrestlers over with a lot of money and was involved with mafia-esque stuff. Suprised he's still alive.

[@pleaseshutup7053]

Not lowkey many know about this. Just newer fans don’t

[@robdurfee6861]

@@pleaseshutup7053nah, most know Paul was a scumbag who only looked out for himself

[@d.52555]

One story I’ll never forget is the story of sabu being offered 750k to go to WCW but heyman stopped that by threatening to sue WCW. Absolutely shameful.

[@WrestleLoreYT]

Wow the guy who does the voice over in that video sounds extremely handsome! Love the reaction, keep doing your thing man!

[@thedon42]

That’s why JR IS THE GOAT! THE GOAT!

[@iamgoat5863]

I saw the video before and I thought hopefully Ross reacts to it and now I am here for it.

[@kadharefinley224]

I’ve heard about the Paul Heyman and Tommy Dreamer situation before but not the whole story.

[@thetruej7872]

I remember hearing about the Tommy Dreamer WrestleMania X7 story in an old reaction of yours. I believe it was Tap Out Corner or some other channel, but still I can't believe the story.

[@kodyepidemic]

Let this be a lesson to all of you watching. Money > loyalty. Just because you’re loyal to someone doesn’t mean they’re loyal to you. If you’re in a relationship and both you and your partner are struggling, you’re paying the bills, and everything is riding on you and someone offers you to be with them and they’ll take care of you financially and you’ll never have to stress about any of that ever again, TAKE IT.

[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

I've read a good post about what likely would happen if Tommy's plan went through. If he killed Paul, that's the death penalty in Texas even if he doesn't go through with offing himself too. Vince would get investigated by the federal government (so basically it would be a day ending in Y), WWE would have to answer for how the hell a wrestler was able to shoot and kill a commentator, ECW's and WWE's financial history would be investigated, potentially causing the current Vince scandal some twenty years before it currently came out. If WWE survived the investigations, there would be a serious mental health monitor going forward, chair shots to the head probably get banned years before they did in this current timeline, Brock Lesnar never debuts in WWE after Mania 17, Benoit might never experience the CTE that takes both his and his family's lives away, and at this point I wouldn't be surprised if this somehow prevents 9/11 from happening with how deep this butterfly effect goes.

[@juicemaneoj]

im glad i watched this...great example of being loyal to a fault

[@shawnmichaels568]

It's wild to think that arguebly the greatest Mania of all time had so many controversies prior to the event.

[@YoungChove15]

What are the odds man. I just watched this last night now Ross reacting to this

[@zachturner3443]

Great video man 👍👍👍👍👍

[@EliteWalkThroughs]

The Fact that even to this day Paul Heyman haven't paid what he owned for years to all the ECW wrestlers like Sabu, Sandman, Tommy, RVD etc... and they had to make it on his own while he was already on fantasy land just shows that Paul Heyman yes is a great professional worker in wrestling, but as a person, he might be one of the worst's.

[@philipg6579]

What’s crazy is I watched this video yesterday now I’m watching Ross reacting to it

[@thephenomenalphantom8372]

Yeah bro, this video was so good im watching it again

[@Rekestar805]

WHATTT MANIA 17 is the best PPV/WrestleMania OF ALL TIME HAVE A POSTER OF IT AND EVERYTHING THIS SHOW IS GOATED!!🐐🔥

[@2010theunit]

Don't forget WrestleMania III. It set the template for all following WrestleMania events & the WrestleMania concept as a whole.

[@bernardlivingston7021]

This is a wild story I never knew this but now we know you take the money

[@snooptiger7141]

great vid took his time

[@TygerClawGaming]

I loved WrestleMania XVII 1 of the best ever...and then they did THAT finish k*lled the entire show for me. Tommy didn't "feel" he was owed money...he WAS owed money. Tommy borrowed money from his parents to help Heyman keep ECW afloat, Heyman then bailed to WWE without telling anyone never paying back Tommy or his parents. Wow, I had no idea Tommy turned down all that money from WCW 3x DANG no wonder he was furious I don't blame him...maybe just a beat down on Paul would've been fine though I don't think he needed to end the guy lol

[@Papellxhase]

Paul didn’t pay back a lot of the ecw guys & bailed on em. It’s fucked up. & I’m not gonna say Tommy was in the right to do what he wanted to do but u can see through it & understand his frustration & pain definitely.

[@kratosgow342]

it's not even rumor at this point in the interview in WWE channel Dreamer outright admitted what he think about that day

[@jobhammond6267]

Banger vid

[@edaniels240]

Why JR will always be the voice of reason

[@kingversace8459]

We could’ve witnessed the end of wrestling thank god for jr

[@frankinglese7100]

Also, think about the MASSIVE ramifications/butterfly effect that would’ve taken place had this ACTUALLY happened like how the paths of people like Lesnar, Punk, and Roman would’ve turned out.

[@TwiggyB21]

If Tommy would have taken the $750,000 that would $1.37 million dollars in todays money. That is crazy

[@modernmogulent.6787]

Divine Intervention at its finest

[@lifewithjaz21]

Him and his parents money 😭 just imagine if he didn't listen to that voice mail 😭

[@Ryan.panama]

Crazy cuz I saw this video yesterday 😭

[@thephenomenalphantom8372]

Wcw: 75k Tommy: no Wcw: 750k Shawn Micheas: I'm sorry, i love you

[@edaniels240]

Damn, Tommy was gonna John Wilkes Booth on Heyman's Abraham Lincoln

[@PhilipJohn2004]

ECW and WWF were working together in 1997 with wrestlers showing up on each other’s shows. How would he not understand that the companies have a working relationship?

[@defiantking7777]

If this happened I don’t think any wrestling company would be around TODAY!

[@MenacinglyUnstable02]

Naw. Knowing Vince, the show would still go on.

[@ththrshpnd]

To think that the wrestling industry almost died a couple of months before I was born scares me

[@pleaseshutup7053]

It wouldn’t have died here if this happens stop exaggerating

[@ththrshpnd]

@@pleaseshutup7053 WWE took a big blow when the Benoit scandal happened, a murder-suicide at WrestleMania during the broadcast would've been 10x worse

[@pleaseshutup7053]

@@ththrshpnd they took a blow socially not financially Ratings actually went up after the Benoit incident. The 3rd most viewed episode in raw history is after owen harts accident and wwe only got hotter. If Tommy dreamer went thru with what he did. Wwe would have been even hotter

[@d.52555]

@@pleaseshutup7053No, the ratings went down significantly after the summer of 07.

[@d.52555]

@@pleaseshutup7053Yeah it would’ve lmfao. Wwe and wrestling as a whole damn near died after Benoit because congress kept a close eye on wrestling to see if anyone or any company would slip up

[@PrinceThunderEntertainment]

Me thinking if I would even tolerate as much as Tommy did😂😅

[@JuneCarpenter35]

Taker is my fav wrestler of all time

[@BudJr]

I feel like Tony Khan thinks that he can make AEW just as amazing as ECW was. That’s why he endangers his wrestlers with matches that are very dangerous, and why he tweets a bunch of stupid and controversial things for attention.

[@PTS_2112]

This aint got nothing to do with tk lmao

[@CorneliusGriffin-ns5ky]

Im glad this didnt happen and this is still my favorite wrestlmania #17

[@tmac731]

Wwe might not even be here if that happened

[@Ohio2232]

Ross rated m podcast was talking about a smackdown and raw theme songs tier list and was wondering wat theme song was your favorite

[@MrBda241]

I doubt WWE/WWF would have recovered from this had it actually happened.

[@thephenomenalphantom8372]

Paul was about to dIiIiEeEe

[@pleaseshutup7053]

I would recommend every wrestling fan watch forever hardcore an ecw documentary and the ecw documentary from 2004 by wwe

[@FOF275]

So much would've changed if Heyman died that night Imagine all the wrestlers and storylines he helped set up over the years, all of that not happening at all if JR didn't make that phone call/voicemail

[@christopherlesiuk6172]

According to an inflation calculator that i checked, that would be almost $155000 today

[@jackhughes7637]

I think you may be missing a zero

[@dizzyrisse3115]

Tommy Dreamer is probably the most loyal wrestler in wrestling history

[@thedon42]

Tommy was gonna be getting paid big bucks and all it took was Paul Heyman gaslighting him to decline. Wowwww.

[@ОлесьАтамась]

Well... 750 k in 1997 worth in 2024 nearly 1,5 million. Geez

[@JordanWilliams-gx4tc]

Yo wassup Ross how you doin

[@thecodester6669]

Right, the almost day of paul heyman getting sniped by tommy dreamer. And if you leave that out. It could also been dark, literally, as during the hardcore title match with the golfcarts. Raven nearly cutted the power of the stadium

[@infinite-sadness]

No sniping, it would’ve been point blank

[@angeloromero3982]

17 might be the best WrestleManias ever

[@GangGreen80]

It is

[@andrewrichards6738]

We would’ve never got The Wiseman

[@CharlesRonaldoRobins]

750,000 = 1,395,000 today

[@Godscelebrity10]

That wasn't a rumor. Tommy said so himself.

[@reeseatkinson5796]

My favorite Wrestlemania of all time. Stone cold will always be my #1 and the rock was #2 I was like 11 and that limp bizkit promo was legendary at the time. Anyone who trusts Paul Heyman is stupid IMO 😂

[@bluebutterfly4296]

Tell me why Tommy dreamer looks like CM punk was it just me?😂😂😂

[@Christtheonlywaymovement]

If there was no ecw there would probably be no attitude era, can we agree?

[@CD-Gaming]

When it comes to how mad everyone at ECW was, I always remember that one quote from "The Toys That Made Us" on Netflix about wrestling toys, when they said they'd partnered up with ECW, they replied, "ECW!? Those guys are nuts!!"! Ah, good ol' Jim Ross! Nothing short of an absolute Leg'! Not "legend", no, above that - Leg'!

[@jackhughes7637]

🦵

[@tmac731]

Why would Tommy Dreamer put his parents money into ECW?? That was a dumb move on his part

[@PAWANKALYAN_21]

If you have a best friend whom you love more than yourself, you will understand why Tommy did what he did.

[@tmac731]

@@PAWANKALYAN_21 that’s Tommy’s fault. You can’t love somebody more than you love yourself. He should not have used his parents money

[@PAWANKALYAN_21]

@@tmac731 It's just human nature, man; there are countless people who are extremely loyal to their friends and love them more than themselves. Loving others more than you love yourself is not necessarily a good thing, but it does happen sometimes; that's how human nature works 🤷‍♂️

[@tmac731]

@@PAWANKALYAN_21 can’t be me, I gotta put me first

[@saint-g7449]

8:18 - 750K in 2000 inflation in 2024 is 1.3 Million. 😅

[@kinglyo45]

I would have gotten Paul straight up outta here man

[@pleaseshutup7053]

Heyman blocked many of the ecw talent from coming to wwf

[@whatssogoodaboutindy6696]

JR saved Paul Heyman.

[@Cw1047]

Tommy turned down 750,000 that’s on him tbh

[@Dreaux84]

Man this sounds like what WWE is doing to TNA now..

[@Papellxhase]

Wwe is working with tna. Wwe can’t help that tna isn’t as popping as it was before. I mean yeah they are taking in a few guys but it’s only (NXT) as of consistently & the only big name they are really bringing in is joe hendry. Tna is also getting some nxt on their shows as well. U can’t compare the ecw/wcw thing to current tna & wwe. Tna is full of Old people who were around when it first became a thing… trust me I’ve been to a tna show about 5 months ago

[@Dreaux84]

@@Papellxhase how much do we really know…? You seen Scott D’amore get let go despite having the love of the whole locker room. Now it’s a merge on creative. I’m not saying it’s a buyout coming but it’s definitely a farming system that’s giving NXT newer and lesser known talent a chance to get some ring time…

[@Papellxhase]

@@Dreaux84 well wwe has nothing to lose & is stamped as the best promotion & doesn’t have a close second anymore like they did 3-5 years ago. Tna by now I thought would’ve been died out & been shut down but it’s still sticking around for day 1 fans. A lot of guys are going to tna for an opportunity in which they didn’t get in wwe & I’m loving it. Tna working with wwe works fine & they gotta do the best they can to stick around. Also hendry isn’t even as loved as he is in TNA compared to NXT & he isn’t their top guy despite being a big name. Despite nxt working with tna, nxt has yet to call up the top guys like Moose, Nemeth, or Ali. Then I’ll say that they are using them with nothing in return… also TNA may just get Bobby Lashley who’s a BIG SCORE for them… understand it bro

[@Dreaux84]

@@Papellxhase I agree I thought TNA would’ve fell apart after all their big names left for New Japan and WWE. As far as Lashley I just saw on wrestle talk him, MVP, and Shelton Benjamin to AEW is all but a done deal..

[@Papellxhase]

@@Dreaux84 yeah I seen somewhere a few months ago when he disappeared off tv that tna is pretty much where he’d end up back at to end his career but it’s his decision & im happy wherever he goes💯 the hurt business was such a huge missed opportunity & hhh didnt even bother picking them up.

[@dwyane23]

I dont remember WrestleMania 17 so must not of been very good

[@GangGreen80]

Sucks for you

[@BertoV]

Was dreamer charged for conspiring this?

[@byronmannn6666]

That was Jesus Christ

[@dannyinoakpark9095]

ECW WAS kind of stupid I mean really? How many Dudley's are left in the day of world? How many of those Originals from ECW are still alive? This place took too many lives

[@BudJr]

I feel like Tony Khan thinks that he can make AEW just as amazing as ECW was. That’s why he endangers his wrestlers with matches that are very dangerous, and why he tweets a bunch of stupid and controversial things for attention.