Beaulieu R16 movie camera review || RotarySMP

[@alrtgy9642]

"This looks like a perfect way to waste a lot of my time" You've summed up my entire life.

[@RotarySMP]

:)

[@harezy]

Not interest in photography but 110% interested in beautiful engineering. What a bit of kit. "They don't make stuff like that these days". I think we need a whole episode filmed with this 🧐🧐😂😂👍👍

[@RotarySMP]

Thanks, I'd need to get much better at this first, but it is on the list.

[@joell439]

I’m speechless - the number of rabbit holes in life is truly endless. I wonder if I will ever be able to focus and complete a project with all these incredibly interesting subjects available with a click of a button. Sometimes I curse the internet for making all this information so accessible and making me go mad 😂. Thanks Mark.

[@RotarySMP]

Hi Joel, Yeah, I agree. The internet is at fault. I couldn't resist. It was just destiny that led me to getting an €80 camera to be able shoot $$$ film :) Cheers, Mark

[@theinfernalcraftsman]

Agreed. I have way too many hobbies and interests for several lifetimes.

[@RotarySMP]

@@theinfernalcraftsman I cant understand people who get bored :)

[@TheCinematographyLab]

Thanks for the mention! Great to see and hear the information of my video was useful.

[@RotarySMP]

Thanks for your great content.

[@DustinWill]

Fantastic voyage. Love the variety. I will digest all content you create. (so far...)

[@RotarySMP]

Thanks for the support Dustin.

[@JMassengill]

I used to buy old cameras from pawn shops as a teenager. This was a trip down memory lane for me. I still have a cannon ae-1 but haven’t used it In about 10 years. Beautiful video.

[@RotarySMP]

My Daughters favourite film camera is some Pentax P&S zoom, she got for €2 from a thrift shop. I always loved cameras.

[@iNerdier]

A Beaulieu! You have quite the machine there. It’s not only a good way to waste your time but also your money too. You can use that fomapan as negative film, there’s nothing particularly restricting it to reversal only, likewise you can process most black and white film as reversal. I never quite got it right but I spent a while trying to make my own reversal chemistry. It’s generally a strong developer (think paper dev) a silver bleach in an acid/oxidiser combination, a clear with sodium metabisulphite and then a re-exposure and second development. The foma kit is as far as I can tell just that in nicer packaging. I can’t remember if the foma kit has a chemical fogging agent or also has the re-exposure step but it’s something I always meant to try. Apparently rust remover for clothes works well there. I don’t specifically know this camera but that latch you mentioned after lacing might be a switch to tell you the take up reel is full, if it doesn’t run all the way to the film. If it does that would be your film counter indicator. You can also generally lace 16mm cameras by feeding the film in and running it on slow speed to get it past the teethed wheels.

[@RotarySMP]

R100 cant be normally developed as negative, as it has a silver anti halation layer which has to be bleached out. It is a tricky film to use, and I would prefer to use a conventional B/W film. The developer kit uses light refogging. I need to try auto feeding the film in again, with fresh film. My test strip was pretty beat up by the time I tested that.

[@iNerdier]

@@RotarySMP ah apologies, I must be thinking of the kodak trix reversal then, it’s been ages since I played with fomapan.

[@lampadophoros]

Congratulations, and hearty welcome to the superb world of analogue film. May you enjoy the true reality!

[@RotarySMP]

I need to find time to do a mini film I have an idea for. Need to make a telecine first.

[@2STROKESTUFFING]

Just awesome! New main cam? You might need to move somewhere with 100-hour days, and money trees... I did some analog photography myself a long time ago. People were always complaining my photos looked like black metal covers, I thought they looked fine. In retrospect I think it was my astigmatism, super harsh & contrasty seemed soft to me. Didn't bother wearing glasses back then, always misplaced or broke them.

[@RotarySMP]

Good summary of what this needs :) One advantage of that tiny lens covering 16mm, is I suspect I can use a smart phone anamorphic lens added on to give the wide aspect ratio.

[@SplicesAndCelluloid]

I have the pleasure of working on the other end of analogue cinematography; film projectors. Phillips made some absolutely beautiful machines back in the 50s and 60s that still run like clocks today. Seeing the amazing machining and beautiful mechanics that have permitted 60+ years of continuous service is a treat. The DP70's I get to work with are really something special.

[@RotarySMP]

The mechanisms involved in these things are the legacy of generation of brilliant production engineers. I love this stuff.

[@KyleMiko]

Those sound amazing! I hope to use them one day 😊

[@jster1963]

That's EPIC! I used to develop black and white film in high school. I loved cameras and photography. I've never used moving film cameras. That is so cool. I can't wait to see more. I still have 8mm gum camera film of me dropping practice bombs and strafing. I will have to digitize it someday. I didn't know it could be done like you did it. Great video.....

[@RotarySMP]

Hi Jasper, There are better ways to digitise then to advance each frame by hand (it took me hours, and the result is very jumpy). Search YT for DIY Telecine. I need to make one of these next.

[@jster1963]

@@RotarySMP Thanks and I will definitely look into this.....

[@gregorystarke]

Awesome video! Quick question however. Where did you solder the wires to on the 3 pin din? Is there specific placement of the wires on the 3 din?

[@RotarySMP]

Hi Gregory, I found this document and followed it. I made no attempt to power the 3.6V for the light meter, as I use a hand held Gossen meter. I only wired up the 7.2V power. sayyes2analog.wordpress.com/2018/06/17/beaulieu-external-battery/

[@gregorystarke]

@@RotarySMP thank you! This video is amazing help for the r16! Best on the internet

[@aldenhoot9967]

Always loved the look of Beaulieu’s cameras but never got a hands on. Thanks for the tour!

[@RotarySMP]

It is a funky piece of industrial design. Amazing to think that anyone would design like that.

[@iTeerRex]

Cool stuff 👍. It’s unreal how much technology has advanced in the span of 100 years.

[@RotarySMP]

It really is. Video is so easy in comparison.

[@josseman]

Fantastic way to start my Monday morning train journey!

[@RotarySMP]

Thanks for your feedback. It helps.

[@zachaliles]

This is one of the many things I like about KZbin. I've never had an interest in photography beyond being able to take halfway decent photos and I've never actually owned a proper camera. Just decent quality digital cameras and the camera on my phones. But here I am watching a video about an obscure 1960's analog French camera.

[@RotarySMP]

Welcome to my rabbit hole :)

[@Rustinox]

That's a really nice find. After a bit of learning and getting used to it, I'm sure you will have fantastic results. Go for it and have fun :)

[@RotarySMP]

Thanks, I hope so too.

[@Argent911]

That was amazing! I can't wait to see this again!

[@RotarySMP]

Thanks. You will :)

[@624Dudley]

So much to know 😮! Have a lot of fun. 👍

[@RotarySMP]

Thanks. I hope so.

[@jetwayartisman]

Can u put video on how u designed the scanning gate and how u put it together and how it works

[@RotarySMP]

Hi Dhanesh, "Designed" is a bit too generous a term here. You could also do this with Lego. I just grabbed whatever I had a hand to make a rectangular opening a bit bigger than a frame, and used the knife blades as spacers as they were a little thicker than the film, so it could slide through. I then positioned each of the thousands of frames by hand and took a photo. Terrible system. I since bought an old film projector, and will hack that into an automatic Telecine.

[@jetwayartisman]

@@RotarySMP ok so it was done by hand I thought there is some motor n electronics anyway just checking

[@RotarySMP]

@@jetwayartisman Nah, this was just a quick and dirty to see if there was anything on that first film attempt.

[@bobuk5722]

Hi, it might be possible to have a thread insert put into the stripped hole. I'm not at all sure that any are available that small or in the thread size used but it is an option to be aware of. Absolute bargain purchase, beautiful looking bit of kit. Enjoy!

[@RotarySMP]

I did one quick google search for M2.5 Helicoils, so they do exist. I'd need to pull that front plate off to do it correctly. It is not an issue for now as I am using those tiny, light lenses. It is a really nice camera.

[@tecnobs3d]

Reminds me of my younger days! I used Bolex and ARRI to play with, worked also as Aäton service. Time for you to make the R16 to Super-16 = a challenge to do.

[@RotarySMP]

Those Arri and Aaton looks like fantastic camers. I actually looks into Super16 conversion, and understand it is all neigh impossible on the R16, due to the reciprocating mirror. I'd rather leave it stock, and try anamorphics.

[@RickRolling-tc7vb]

Crikey, that's a lot of work. I'd forgotten how convenient it has all become. I used to run a bromide camera in an ad agency back in the day, high tech in the 70's. lol. The finished product is fascinating though, very cool. A long road but a worthy one. Well done!

[@RotarySMP]

Yeah, we really are spoiled with modern video gear, unlimited run times nearly, sensors that see in the dark etc.

[@dougpurdie2871]

So many memories here, I used to work in television news shooting with a CP16, nothing teaches you editing in the camera like 2.5 minutes of film to cover a live news story. We even used to shoot sport with the same cameras, guessing when something good was about to happen. The film was reversal and was transferred to umatic tape for editing then 1 inch for playout. We had to load the cameras in a dark bag in the bag of an often moving car.

[@RotarySMP]

The skill involved in running on of these cameras professionally, is an impressive art. We so much for granted with the ease of creating digital media. I find it astounding how much analog media survived from times of conflict and hardship,. You media journalist have my respect.

[@TrPrecisionMachining]

good video RotaySMP

[@RotarySMP]

Thanks.

[@trollforge]

Awesome job!

[@RotarySMP]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@LongnoseRob]

Nice! Love B&W photography, have a home development setup.. not used it much in the last years.. but never thought about going to 16mm motion home development..

[@RotarySMP]

I didn't either, till I did :) Be careful of what content your watch, there are plenty of rabbit holes to run down-

[@neilbarnwell]

"I think it's time... I loaded this camera... FOR REEL" lol.

[@RotarySMP]

Dad pun :)

[@DJDiarrhea]

Beauty. I've got a beaulieu 5008 super 8 myself. Reminds me that I need to finish up the battery for it.

[@RotarySMP]

I was also tempted to get a 2008, but this R16 just kind of asked to be rescued. Like a stray.

[@bobuk5722]

Another probably unworkable idea, but hey! Do you have a video capable camera with infra red capability? It might be possible to use that to view film loading on a shielded dimmed down monitor. My Canon XF camcorders have this facility. It's possible that b&w safe lighting might be observable by video cameras but then it also would be by you!

[@RotarySMP]

I dont have a camera with capability. The film loading onto the reel went smoothly though. It is not difficult in the dark.

[@SalmoTrutti]

Nice! I'm looking forward to getting back into analogue photography when the kids are a bit bigger. Medium format SLRs and TLRs are my favourite- there's something about the way things snap into focus on that big ground glass that I enjoy particularly. I also keep taking my Leica M5 out to list it on eBay and changing my mind- it's simultaneously fugly and beautiful in a way that I just love.

[@RotarySMP]

Hi David, yeah I know that feeling as well. My M2 is the cheapest one I have ever seen for sale anywhere. Dropped a number of ties in its live, dented, scratched, and worn as it is, I still really like it, and wont sell it. That old Rollei T my dad gave me also has issues, but the ground glass is nice.

[@SalmoTrutti]

@@RotarySMP It was an M2 I really wanted but they were out of my price range- then I got a play with the M5 and had to have it. Designed with function first and aesthetics as distant second. Still, which other Leica can be used with mittens? i need to find someone in Europe that can service Rolleiflexes- I got a lovely 2.8E recently for a price so low I feel guilty but the shutter is a bit sticky. I'm to scared to do it myself on such a nice camera because while I've done many Soviet and cheap Japanese rangefinders my success rate is pretty low- they mostly work, but I often eff something up in the process. It went much better when the aim of the game was to make one functional Zorki from three broken ones. Russian cameras are designed by sadists. Do you like left hand threaded screws? What about aluminium left hand threaded screws?

[@ronnieleetwo]

I'm looking at getting an R16 and your cable to power it via NPFs is so cool. I'm trying to find info on how to wire up one of those and am coming up short, is there any way you could describe how you did it? I'm great with a soldering iron and even just a quick "this wire to pin 1 this to pin 2" etc would be very appreciated!

[@RotarySMP]

The Beaulieu R16 pinout is here. sayyes2analog.wordpress.com/2018/06/17/beaulieu-external-battery/ The 7.4V port on the NPF mount is used. I think the center pin is positive, and the barrel negative, so just connect to the pin to the Red pin the camera end and the barrel to the Green pin of the camera connector. There is no 3.6V available, so you wont get the light meter, but I use a hand held one anyway.

[@ronnieleetwo]

@@RotarySMP Perfect, thank you! I was wondering about how to hook up all 3 pins, but I always use a handheld light meter as well so this sounds like it will work great.

[@JanneRanta]

What a beatiful camera. Shooting film is fun but the prices seem to go higher and higher like everything else. At least you are super considerate about what you shoot so you wont waste frames.

[@RotarySMP]

Yeah you have to be.

[@HansFormerlyTraffer]

Thanks. That was very cool. I knew nothing about analogue film. Now I know.

[@RotarySMP]

I also knew nothing about 16mm filming a couple of weeks ago. Be careful :)

[@robertsternlieb5532]

Mr. RotarySMP, imho, the hardest part of color photography was printing. developing the film is just a matter of accurate time and temp (and agitation and maybe number of chemical/rinse steps). Because I never worked with movie film, I'd be interested to see how you managed developing it. Thanks for the content!!!

[@RotarySMP]

I am interested in shooting and developing some Orwo NC500 color films as well, but would like to get back in practice with B&W better first.

[@robertsternlieb5532]

@@RotarySMP I'm excited for you. Have fun.

[@chutipascal]

You're definitely into my vibe, I already saw the guitar... Electronics when?

[@RotarySMP]

I tent to cycle through the hobbies of photography, machining and guitar. I suck at electronics unfortunately.

[@Engineerd3d]

Down the rabbit hole!

[@RotarySMP]

Yep. A deep one.

[@TinLeadHammer]

Nice! So, the bulbous thing on the bottom is a battery connnector? I would have never figured it out. This camera is supposed to record sync sound, or rather to be paired with a tape recorder, both working off a sync generator, or something like this, as I have not used a film camera myself. Anyway, have you tried recording sync sound with it?

[@RotarySMP]

It is very funky, with that bulb mounting the screwed on NiCad battery. It is really quite ergonomic and comfortable to hand hold (although dont have any battery). I just recorded audio separately with a clap at start and end, and synced them in Resolve.

[@MakarovFox]

lovely i really like analog photography

[@RotarySMP]

I do as will, although I dont really have time for it.

[@MakarovFox]

@@RotarySMP indeed it took much time but the good thing is that where you live you can find the thing for that hobby where i live is very complicated to find all thing for analog

[@torpedan]

This is awesome.

[@RotarySMP]

Thanks for your support.

[@wibblywobblyidiotvision]

Oh yeah! I like me some analog. I have an ernitec 5-50 cs mount lens lying about, it's yours if you want it. 1/3 cctv lens. It has some sort of auto exposure connector that could be fun to play with, or manual exposure. Actually, looking closer it might be power zoom. And if you wanted to play with super-8 as well, I don't have a matching Beaulieu but I do have a Nalcom FTL that I'm not using, and probably a few unused but out of date cartridges.

[@RotarySMP]

Thanks for the offer, but 1/3" sensor lens don't cover the 16mm frame unfortunately. Please dont tempt me with Super 8. I am trying to avoid rabbit holes :)

[@judethaddeusschork2855]

I love how you’ve added the rails and separate battery. I would to do the same to my Beaulieu r16. Can you provide me with the product names/models? I really appreciate it.

[@RotarySMP]

Nice cameras aren't they. The base - amzn.to/3LnJRRD The rails - amzn.to/42hoatu The NP-F battery mount - amzn.to/3Ltam8x The 3 pin DIN connector - uk.rs-online.com/web/p/din-connectors/7863439 The plug on the other end - 5.5/2.1mm barrel jack amzn.to/3NsN59h

[@judethaddeusschork2855]

@@RotarySMP this is exactly what I needed. I have two R16s. I going to be shooting a shoot film noir next month. Wish me luck. I really appreciate your help.

[@RotarySMP]

@@judethaddeusschork2855 Nice one. Hope it goes well.

[@RedPandaLesbian]

Oh that first digital Leica M8 at the beginning 👀 I'm an engineer and a digital and film photographer and someday I dream of owning an M6~

[@RotarySMP]

My M8 repair attempt will be subject of a video once I attempt it. It is currently bricked with a shutter fail. Weird camera, with that old Kodak CDD sensor giving a stunning look at its best, and looking like crap at anything above base ISO. Was fun using it.

[@RedPandaLesbian]

@@RotarySMP best of luck! I'm also procrastinating fixing a major light leak problem with my Contax TVS 😅 and my girlfriend has the same issue with her sigma DP2 quattro shooting anything above base ISO hahaha

[@mikeboudreaux2964]

My primary hobby is B&W darkroom and I really just use the machine tools to support that hobby, so this is a really relevant video for me. As expensive as Medium and Large Format still photography is, it seems like analog motion picture film is a whole nother level of expensive. Have you ever machined an arca-swiss plate? Might make for a fun video.

[@RotarySMP]

I havent machined an Arca Swiss plate yet, as I have a bunch of them in various lengths, but have some machining projects in mind to make the telecine.

[@JCWren]

I've always had a mild want for an Arriflex S Cine or or 16BL, a Bolex H16, or something along those lines. Unfortunately, when I was young I couldn't afford the cameras, and now that I can afford the camera, I can't afford the film and processing :) Actually, it's more a matter of that although I love the history and form factor of these cameras, I wouldn't actually use it enough to justify the cost and learning curve. I was into medium format for a while, with a couple of used Hasselblads and a Kiev-88. My favorite was the 503CX with the motor drive. I also had a pinhole "lens" for it that yielded some pretty cool results. Rather than get back into that, I will live vicariously through through your 16mm adventure.

[@RotarySMP]

The 503CX ... that was the one with the bought in Zone system spot metering system wasnt it. I never owns a Hasselblad, but am constantly tempted. I am a champ at buying a cheap €80 camera to then spend $$$$ on all you need to feed it. If anyone really is commented to 16mm, they should probably get an ARRI SR straight from the start. The camera price will be insignificant against all other costs.

[@cho4d]

well that was surprisingly interesting.

[@RotarySMP]

Glad you liked it.

[@marcfaulk]

Can you do a video / tutorial on your film scanning set up? Is there a way to regulate it, so that it feeds exactly one frame at a time?

[@JCWren]

It's all a hand process. Slide the film forward one frame, take a picture. Repeat until blind.

[@RotarySMP]

Yep, in this case that was it. Luckily the Lumix camera has a stock motion mode where it shows the ghost of the last image taken, which helps align the next. Next project in this rabbit hole will be automatic that scanning process. I'll make a video when I get to it,.

[@fredrickgustafsson4795]

This was really interesting more of this please. i know this is a machining channel but i think there is a overlap.

[@RotarySMP]

Thanks for the feedback that you like this stuff as well.

[@ptonpc]

I never had a film cine camera but I still have my treasured Praktica MT5LB.

[@RotarySMP]

There is something cool about the analog cameras as machines.

[@julias-shed]

I always assumed you’d load the film in at least red light if not complete darkness 😮 interesting thanks 😀

[@RotarySMP]

Red light only works with orthochromatic stock, like B&W white photo paper which is not sensitive to Red light. Taking film is normally Panchromatic, as you don't want red objects to appear black, so it need darkness.

[@ViniciusMiguel1988]

Now I expect a film scanner machining project

[@RotarySMP]

Good forecasting.

[@Allainconrad]

Hello, I have a Beaulieu R16, I would like to have the same battery set up as you, would you have more information?

[@RotarySMP]

These are the parts I used: The base - amzn.to/3LnJRRD The rails - amzn.to/42hoatu The NP-F battery mount - amzn.to/3Ltam8x The 3 pin DIN connector - uk.rs-online.com/web/p/din-connectors/7863439 The plug on the other end - 5.5/2.1mm barrel jack amzn.to/3NsN59h

[@Allainconrad]

@@RotarySMP Thanks, do you have a diagram of the connection with the pin?

[@RotarySMP]

@@Allainconrad Hi Allain. I did it per this diagram. sayyes2analog.wordpress.com/2018/06/17/beaulieu-external-battery/ I dont have a the 3.6V for the light meter connected, but use a handheld light meter anyway.

[@briantaylor9266]

How does KZbin handle the return to analog? Do you mail them the unprocessed reel for them to develop? 😂

[@RotarySMP]

Yeah, It is really convenient. Much quicker and easier than faffing around with digital. It is clear why Digital has no future.

[@MaximePACOT]

hello, I would like to know how you make the camera work with its batteries? negative pole, 7.2v pole and 3.6v pole. Thanks a lot

[@RotarySMP]

Hello Maxime, I found this document and followed it. I made no attempt to power the 3.6V for the light meter, as I use a hand held Gossen meter. I only wired up the 7.2V power. sayyes2analog.wordpress.com/2018/06/17/beaulieu-external-battery/

[@sportskim-lc4ei]

hi, i also have r16 and i want to use external battery pack like you. I need to buy a cable to use with my power junkie, is it okay to buy a product called 'SLEE LINK DC CABLE 3 PIN DIN TO 2.5MM'? thank you.

[@RotarySMP]

Cool camera. I doubt it. That looks like a mini din connector of the type keyboards and mouse used to use, rather than the full sized one Beaulieu used. Also on the other end, you need a male 5.5 mm x 2.5mm connector for your power junkie. That cable has a female socket on it. This is the three pin locking din connector which fits the Beaulieu: uk.rs-online.com/web/p/din-connectors/7863439 ... and this is the plug you need on the other end: uk.rs-online.com/web/p/jack-plugs-sockets/2596585 I only wired up 7.2V and GND. The Beaulieu batteries also have a tap for 3.6V for the light meter, but I use a hand held meter. It only takes a couple of minutes to solder up those pins to a piece of wire. Any two conductor wire will work fine, like a cord from a used appliance.

[@sportskim-lc4ei]

@@RotarySMP Thank you so much, have a nice day

[@RotarySMP]

@@sportskim-lc4ei Look forward to seeing your first film with it.

[@geoffs7232]

Reminds me of repairing Eclair cameras in the early 1970s.

[@RotarySMP]

I would love one of them. Nice gear.

[@notsonominal]

... so G-code to advance the film and press the shutter next?

[@RotarySMP]

Mechanical G-Code maybe :)

[@notsonominal]

I was thinking for the "scanning" surely the lathe (or repurposed 3d printer parts) could advance the film and use an output for the cameras shutter?

[@jimsvideos7201]

What a contrast it is having a vintage camera powered by a lithium battery sitting on carbon fiber!

[@RotarySMP]

Yeah, not exactly right for the purists, but I needed to get it up and running, to see if it was a lemon.

[@RyJones]

Cool!

[@RotarySMP]

Thanks for posting.

[@chrislee7817]

I always thought 16mm film had two sets of holes not one. I never went beyond 8mm. I still have my old Bolex somewhere.

[@oldradiosnphonographs]

Older 16mm film had two sets of holes because older cameras had double sprockets too. That changed so sound could later be added so 16mm switched to one set of holes.

[@RotarySMP]

I thing the only 16mm camera which retained the two sprocket hole drive were the high speed cameras. With the shift to single sprocket leaving space fo the optical audio track, that again got repurposed to the wide aspect super-16 format.

[@WillemvanLonden]

I have been ogling an analogue Hasselblad 500C up for sale for quite a while now, for I now am finally able to pay for one, but I have resisted the urge. You caved in...

[@iNerdier]

If you can, find a 500c/m. The 500c had a fixed focus screen that is, to put it mildly, not very bright and a bit of a pain in low light situations. Nice screens are expensive but at least with a c/m you have the option of changing it at some later date.

[@RotarySMP]

Hasselblads are tasty cameras. I must resist...

[@flikflak24]

Could be quite cool actually to get a old used ( maybe not even working) film camera. Gut it completely and the put the hardware/guts from a modern camera and put it in there But for the retro feel but also to see people's reaction when out traveling or they come by the shop

[@RotarySMP]

I sort of see it from the other side. Would be cool to rip the guts out of a digital camera, and put in a clock work shutter and film transport mechanism :)

[@flikflak24]

@@RotarySMP i understand and see why that could also be fun to do as a project. but you do have to ad mit it would still be fun when people visit the show and ask you about the old camera on the camera stand and reply's " thats for recording video's for my youtube channel " :)

[@RotarySMP]

@@flikflak24 Yeah, A sleeper :)

[@flikflak24]

@@RotarySMP totally the new thing first there where sleeper car's then sleeper pc's and now RotarySMP precent sleeper camera ;)

[@phrozenwun]

Commenting for funsies: I was halfway expecting you to dive into what it would take to retrofit a ccd.

[@RotarySMP]

That would be sacrilege, such a pretty camera.

[@phrozenwun]

@@RotarySMP With the miniaturization of components available and the amount of space used by the film, I would bet dollars to doughnuts that a removable retrofit could be done with zero modifications to that, yes gorgeous, bit of antiquity. Just sayin'

[@Jonathanbaker]

How much was the film 🎥 and developer

[@RotarySMP]

About €70 all up with shipping. fomaobchod.cz/en/blackwhitereversalfilms/fomapanr100/fomapanr10016mm305bm1xperforated%5B11810%5D?ItemIdx=2 I need to source the KMnO4 to make up my own bleach, as long as I have to use Fomopan R100 as that would drop the price of processing a lot. Once Orwo 54 film is again available that will drop that pricce a lot.

[@janosnagyj.9540]

Nah that was really interesting. I have some 16mm projectors and several rolls of film in my stash, it's years now that I am planning to arrive there and have them watched... not happened yet 😒I think I should hurry up a little as some of the rolls already stinks like vinegar😪

[@RotarySMP]

Are they already exposed and developed films, or just unused film stock?

[@janosnagyj.9540]

​@@RotarySMP Those are movies, to better describe :) There is some kind of technical training movie from Mercedes, for example. None of them are new, so they suffer these usual defects like reddish colour tone, and the vinegar syndrome...

[@theinfernalcraftsman]

Wow that film is pricey. Just looked it up and the Kodak stuff in the US is $56for 100' of #7266. 50' is $40. Is new old stock stuff usable. I still see allot of it showing up at estate sales here. Course if I were looking for it none will show up... If I find some I'll set up a dead drop in the mine in Koronos on Naxos so you can pick them up...

[@RotarySMP]

Thanks. I have often seen old stock or short ends for sale in the US. Haven't seen where this would be commonly sold here in the EU. That would be nice idea. I think we are in Naxos in June this year.

[@theinfernalcraftsman]

@@RotarySMP I'll keep an eye out. If I find some I could possibly see if the lady at the supermarket we go to would hold them for you. Course she will be mad that we have been away for so long... Or at least I'll bring some standard size wudruff keys and hide them under a rock and leave compass directions to it and see if they are still there when you get there. Looking at being there the first half of May. I plan to go back in September with the better 3/4 as well.

[@RotarySMP]

@@theinfernalcraftsman Yeah, it would be better if the apartment owner would hang on to it for a month if you find some :)

[@JanEringa8k]

Fran of FranLab fame --- www.youtube.com/@FranLab Did a short series on how she converted some of the films she had collected to digital format. Might be worth a watch.

[@RotarySMP]

I have watched all the digitiseing and telecine videos I could find. Something lik that is on the schedule.

[@TheUncleRuckus]

Can't you load the film under red light to keep it from getting exposed or is that false information I picked up from movies?

[@rustandmagic]

Film is usually sensitive to all light so no, you cannot do that, when you make paper prints from negatives you can expose black and white paper to some red light without fogging it though, maybe that is what you are thinking about (red light in the darkroom in movies).

[@iNerdier]

You can do that to specific paper/film that is ‘orthochromatic’ which means not red sensitive. Black and white darkroom paper is always this type. Standard black and white / colour films however need total darkness, though cameras like this take a daylight reel with metal sides that just exposes the first few cm at either end when you load and unload it as the emulsion is opaque enough to stop the light penetrating more than a few layers deep.

[@RotarySMP]

I meed to practice more so I can load this in the dark, and save that extra couple of feet.

[@AnthonyHandcock]

You're giving me terrible flash-backs to my time maintaining the hopelessly obsolete equipment in a commercial darkroom. Chasing down problems was like herding cats as it was virtually impossible to tell what, if anything, had gone wrong days after the chemicals had been chucked out and the film was already at the customer's. As often as not I'd just do nothing and bullshit management that I'd found some totally spurious problem which kept everybody happy including me. Being blamed for out of focus film was my favourite... Yes... Some people were that ignorant.

[@RotarySMP]

Yeah, I can imagine. My Gran used to keep opening the back of the camera to see if she had film in it. The lack of photos was also your fault :)

[@AnthonyHandcock]

@@RotarySMP Oh the list of things I, or the darkroom at least, got blamed for was near endless. Under-exposed, over exposed, out of focus and a surprising number of totally blank films accompanied by other films that had two sets of exposures. Presumably people who confused the new film and the used film at some point. Oh... And colour film sent as B&W... That never ended well. Scratched films were usually our fault but we very rarely admitted it. I should add that I'm a truly terrible photographer so there was an element of 'Do as I say not as I do' about the whole thing. 🙂

[@GeoffTV2]

Help! My lathe restoration dude has gone off the rails! - Heather

[@RotarySMP]

Yeah, it is embarassing to my "one project at a time" credo :)

[@GeoffTV2]

@@RotarySMP LOL! I do the same thing (but I don't video it). Interesting content all the same. Thanks for sharing.

[@pagodeiro8tube]

I am using a lot the R16 and the more modern 2016. therefore my first comment to your video is that you are wasting a lot of expensive film by loading the cam the way you are showing. I always take out the fresh rolls carefully out of the light-prove package and try to avoid that the film gets loose, in order not to flash the first meters. Then I insert the full roll, still holding the film thigh to the roll. The leader can be inserted into the upper sprocket without lifting the guide. Once its hold by the upper sprocket, there is no risk anymore that the rest of the raw film gets fogged. Now I build the upper loop, put it into the gate and underneath the lower sprocket. I turn on the cam let it transport about 20 cm of film, so that I can attach it to the (not yet inserted) take-up spool. As a last step I attach the take-up spool to the reel, run the cam for 1 second and close the lid. Now it is totally sufficient to advance the film until the counter shows 90 cm before shooting. This way, I only waste about 1 m of film by loading in daylight. I have also no issues processing Foma at home; I use the original Foma developer for 1st and 2nd development, a home-made traditional bleach, a clearing bath and fixer. But mostly I process E6 with Jobo chemistry. Remark about lenses: TV lenses don’t provide the full resolution 16 mm has to offer. You schould us dedicated movie lenses, and, most important, have them collimated to your camera. Björn Andersson Beaulieu Service in Sweden can do this perfectly. He can also exchange the damaged ground glass of your camera and adjust the light meter. Considering the costs of film, this service work is really a good investment.

[@RotarySMP]

Thaks for your tips. What is your recipe of your foma bleach bath please?

[@pagodeiro8tube]

I can send you my complete processing table, which includes all recipes, times etc. for processing a 16 mm reversal film for less than € 10, using Fomadon LQR as specified in the Foma 100R data sheet. For this, I would need your email. Fomadon LQR is used in a 1+10 dilution for 9-10 min and re-used only one time for the reversal processing. It has to be prepared short before using, while the other solutions should be prepared the day before and can be re-used up to 4 times. The bleaching agent is composed like this: 20 gr. potassium dichromate, 123 ml sulfuric acid 38%, 1877 ml dest. water. Makes 2 liters. BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THE HIGHLY POISSONING DICHROMATE POWDER, YOU MUST WEAR A FFP2 MASK AND GLOVES DURING MIXING AND FILM PROCESSING! First you put a part of the water, then the acid, and then the dichromate. Mix and fill up to 2 liters with water. This recipe is the most traditional one, has been used since ages and is very stable and durable. Bleaching time is about 7 minutes, you may open the lid of the container after 2 min, but better keep it closed to not breath the chemical evaporations. For clearing after this bleach, you must use a solution of 187 grams sodium sulfite, mixed with 2 l of water. Rinse the bleached film well and clear it for 2 minutes. After another rinsing, 5 min of exposure are necessary, changing the face of the spiral at the half of the time. It should be a 100 W bulb in 50 cm of distance. Then the film can be fixed with an express fixer 1+4 for about 4 min. The final rinse should be at least last 5 min in running warm water, then put the film outside the tank into a standard rinsing solution for 1 min, to avoid spots during drying. Always use dest. water for all bathes and the rinsing solution.

[@pagodeiro8tube]

Of course, after the second exposure, the film has to be first developed again with Fomadon LQR, then rinsed again, before fixing it.

[@RotarySMP]

@@pagodeiro8tube Thanks for the info. Potassium dichromate is a controlled substance here, not available to private person. I have some Potassium permanganate, and will use a recipe for a permanganate based bleach next time. It is a shame no one is producing a simple cheap B&W negative film in 16mm.

[@pagodeiro8tube]

@@RotarySMP here in Germany too, of course. But there is a special distributor for photo chemicals in Hamburg, who ships it without any troubles.

[@dont-want-no-wrench]

a big reason for the film revival is, digital is too good and too easy. perversely we get pleasure out of the difficulty of the process

[@RotarySMP]

Yep, that is my feeling about it. Sure makes you appreciate the tools to shoot and edit video pretty effortlessly

[@steveg4iwr]

Another money pit 😂😂. Nice one.

[@RotarySMP]

Hi Steve, you are not wrong.

[@benirall1246]

what

[@Andrew_Fernie]

you heard

[@RotarySMP]

Yep!