Rowan Williams - Staying

[@Undisputed1987]

Please pray for my grandma! She used to live in Great Britain and now she is very, terribly sick and she needs your prayers! If Mr. Rowan Williams could pray for her that would be a great blessing. Thank you Mr. Rowan Williams for being the amazing hero that you always are!

[@fotyfar]

Deep

[@DamienRowatt]

How about, deeply practical.

[@rebeccanichol]

In this video Mr Williams is telling me in his super posh imperious voice, which makes him sound incredibly pretentious, I'm not allowed to leave the Church of England and become a Catholic (7 years too late). "If you find yourself in a monastery, do not go to another place for that will harm you a great deal. Just as the bird who abandons the eggs she was sitting on prevents them from hatching so the monk or the nun grows cold and their faith dies when they go from one place to another." "Go, sit in your cell and your cell will teach you everything, sit in your cell and your cell will teach you everything [his repetition]." [The cells in HMP Wandsworth can teach you everything]. "The rootless ascetic, the person who is ALWAYS looking for the best place to be [I've found it, boyo]. This isn't QUITE good enough. I could be extremely holy if I were somewhere else. The old man who is looking after me...is not quite as spiritual and inspiring as some old men, I'm not quite sure who they are but I'm sure I could find them if I left and looked [none of the old men in the Catholic Church have spent decades spreading scandal everywhere behind my back, trying to screw me or threatening to rape and kill me]." "The problem of the fact that unreality always looks so much more attractive than reality. Unreality always looks attractive than reality [his repetition]." [I can vouch for the fact that Mr Williams finds unreality so much more attractive than reality]. Here Mr Williams re-defined heresy to tell me I'm a heretic if I leave the Church of England and become a Catholic [3 years too late]. "Not a bad place to start really because I think in the very earliest couple of centuries of Christianity there was quite a strong sense that that really was the essence of heresy. It was choosing something other than the full fellowship of believers. So in the second Christian century when saints like Ignatius or Arrhenius write about heresy they're not simply talking about slightly iffy ideas they're talking about people who don't want to belong with the whole spectrum of the people God has chosen. They prefer to choose their company...I begin with the because it's easy and rather tempting to think of heresy as first of foremost something about ideas in your head. And in the history of the Christian church it starts off as a word not about ideas in your head but about relationships in the body of Christ, relationships in the church. Relationships expressed or not expressed by coming together at the Lord's Table. It's about choosing something for yourself as opposed to gladly receiving what you've been given.So let me leave that as just a general thought about the beginnings of Christian language concerning heresy, I'll come back to it. But I think it's important to get that established at the beginning. The first uses come in that context - the Lord's Table, the Eucharistic Fellowship. Whose company are you in, the people you've chosen or the people God's chosen?Now in the early Church and I'm moving on now to the second point I want to make, in the early Church the people who chose their own company were on the whole people who did indeed have a rather typical set of ideas." rowanwilliams.archbishopofcanterbury.org/articles.php/568/archbishops-lecture-what-is-heresy-today heresy ˈhɛrɪsi/ noun noun: heresy; plural noun: heresies belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine. "Huss was burned for heresy" synonyms:dissension, dissent, dissidence, blasphemy, nonconformity, unorthodoxy,heterodoxy, apostasy, freethinking, schism, faction; More antonyms:orthodoxy opinion profoundly at odds with what is generally accepted. "the heresy of being uncommitted to the right political dogma" "The pledging of my BODY to the actual ecclesial community that's there [in your dreams, boyo] with all its faults and its horrors and its nuisances, it's horrors and sometimes its OUTRAGES [his emphasis. Am I supposed to be scared by his outrage? I'm quaking in my boots!]." "The real Church [ you mean the Catholic Church]." "When Sara Maitland came to tell him that she was going to become a Roman Catholic, he burst into tears in the street." Rupert Shortt, Rowan's Rule, London: Hodder and Stoughton 2014, page 190 (chapter 5, 'The Newport Years').

[@winning2049]

Rebecca Nichol Might there be a time to stay and a time to go? Concerning 'two' Churches, beyond everything, should we not put on a heart of love? Is love the perfect bond of unity? Might we find the peace of Christ, because we have indeed been called as a part of one body? [Said in the gentle voice of a humble jungle bumpkin]

[@marcymurraylikes]

Go to the Catholic church. If that is how your called. Monks were called to the desert. This man serves the Anglican church and Christianity, the way he is asked. Return to Catholicism and you will find MANY mystic saints who know and understand the desert fathers quite well, have written great things these past 535 years. You do not need another mortal to understand. He is a scholar and understands knowledge intellectually, to know it spiritually is a whole other thing. And thank God he kindly and intelligently points towards this. What he knows personally, is between himself and God. FOLLOW your OWN path. Peace

[@elliotlee6425]

Rebecca, you sound deeply bitter and wounded. I hope you would turn back the gaze on yourself and tend to your soul. God's peace with you.

[@rebeccanichol]

@@elliotlee6425 My soul is tended to, thank you Elliott. Research Rowan Williams, don't believe everything you hear. That man launched a smear campaign against me after having tried to screw me and being offended when I refused. And he tried to stop me from leaving the Church of England to become a Catholic. You've got no idea what you're talking about or what you're meddling in. And you sound like a self-satisfied and sanctimonious little twerp. Mind your own business in future and have a nice life. And don't bother replying by saying what a saint or what a genius he is because all of his victims know a very dark side to him.

[@elliotlee6425]

@@rebeccanichol God's peace to you, Rebecca.