Rowan Williams: The Gift of Christmas

[@willrobinson1229]

I have become a new Rowan Williams fan. 👍

[@flamingredhed]

Am so glad this has been recorded, I was very sad to have been unable to join you all for this remarkable man pouring out his profound wisdom for us. Wishing you all a very blessed and peaceful Christmas!

[@RevCelticMonk]

I experienced listening to this homily as an act of worship. So much holy wisdom, that I had to pause it... and come back to finish it. What a wonderful gift this Christmas. Bless you folks of Meditatio for bringing this to us. Merry Christmas to each of you.

[@wccm]

Merry Christmas to you too Kathleen!

[@leemary4833]

So thankful for this. A Christian lifetime of lies and abuses by other denomination has caused enormous damage to relationship with God. Hoping to find a God of love again.

[@alwalw9237]

I am always so grateful to listen to Dr. Williams. He speaks from such a powerful place. The Mass of Christ is a celebration of Divine relationship. Christ is the person united with the Divine. Christ is the individual united with the Unseen Ones, who are the Angelic Forces of the Divine. This is the meaning of the Mass of Christ-Christmas. It is not the glorification of an individual. It is the recognition of real relationship-the relationship of the person with Knowledge within themselves, their relationship and intrinsic bond to the Unseen Ones, their duty to humanity and their affinity with life. This is the celebration of relationship. This is the meaning of Christhood. This is the Mass of Christ. The Meaning of Christmas Marshall Vian Summers

[@pippick1946]

Thank you !

[@yolyaumentado9270]

Merry Christmas and a very Blessed Happy New Year 2015 ... thanks for sharing with us this recording. I missed the date I registered for this... I met Dr. Rowan Williams at the courtyard of Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, September 12, 2008 after VESPERS by then Pope Benedict XVI and I did not know how to get back to Eymard Pensione [ near Arch du Triomphe ] where I was staying as a tourist from California. It was then Archbishop of Canterbury Dr. Rowan Williams who helped me and I will never forget that encounter and his kindness! Merci! Yolanda Aumentado, Santa Barbara, CA

[@frankwhelan1715]

For eons, before Jesus, people lived and died ,without believing in Jesus,(because he hadn't arrived),and even after his time, because of primitive comunications, generations lived and died without hearing about him,what happened to them,and if they are worse off it doesn't seem fair, and if we are worse off if we find it impossible to believe,(what other humans have written) it doesn't seem fair.

[@frankwhelan1715]

I know I've heard some people say all those people are saved retrospectively,but why should they be different from us ,who HAVE to believe to be saved, even if, as I say, not everyone finds it possible,and it ,(and all religions)genuinely strikes them as being human constructs, Also even unbelievers (just like believers)would like to go to heaven,and avoid hell, so its not through bloody mindedness that we don't believe.

[@carmelpule6954]

Dr. Rowan Williams should meet one engineer to discuss the contributions of engineers to the transformation of God in various forms since the beginning of time. The most recent God is purely engineering energy that enters every home and still brings together distant communities, not through stone Cathedrals, but through Electronics. God still exists in every state through which he evolves and anyone is invited to stay and live within any God state that fits within the mentality of each human individual. From the past to the present there was the following sequential state of God. **Rowan Williams' and the Pope's (Poetic God) (God 0), was followed by Albert Einstein's (Energy God), ( God 1) which was also Baruch Spinoza's (Nature's God) and James Clerk Maxwell's ( electromagnetic God) then this was slowly followed by the (engineering God) where the Energy and matter in Albert Einstein's God ( God 1) was molded into tangible, guaranteed human comforts in and outside our homes. * Rowan William says that his Poetic God ( God 0) was not meant to be discussed with explanations. God (0) was something that comes to us as a gift, something extraordinary, a mysterious richness, always something beyond our imagination. God(0) even in poetic form, could bring a practical utilitarian set of ethics and morals that could assist all communities to live together in peace. ** Albert Einstein's Energy God ( God 1), presumably follows the unknown transformation of "the will of God (0)" in the form of Energy and matter related by the speed of light in the equation E= mc^2. Light is electromagnetic energy and so James Clerk Maxwell's Electromagnetic God is also God(1) which travels around the universal time/ space domains as:- Curl (Electric)=d(Magnetic)/dt. Baruch Spinosa's God or ( Nature's God) is also God (1) evolved in nature as Darwin suggested. Then there is the engineering God, who manifests himself in Energy and matter forms, available in all the tangible engineering guaranteed products that fill in and outside our homes, existing in any community, including the rockets and missiles, now reaching into outer space. The Energy/mass equation E=mc^2 which also contains "LIGHT" may also explain the statement," Let there be light" and not only the birth and death of Jesus but the other two remarkable transformations on which Christianity itself stands, and that is, the Conception of Jesus which is Energy to matter transformation, and the Resurrection of Jesus which is a matter to Energy transformation. Also, God as Energy, E= mc^2 would fit in with what Jesus said, "I am a son( mass) of God ( energy)", and also " We are all made in the image of God ( Energy/mass) " **Most religious people imagine God to prefer to visit Cathedrals, Churches, Mosques, and Temples but the Engineering God, though he was first very satisfied with the Cathedrals which he help to build, saw the COVID 19 epidemic coming, and set in motion the digital online communications that are no more than Einstein's God and Maxwell's God, God (1) working in the electromagnetic form, even assisting to aid the KZbin organizer, accept and reject what contributors can offer. Einstein"s Energy God in the form of E= mc^2 is seen when the sun's electromagnetic energy falls on leaves, and plants, and changes into the matter to grow grass and plants and fruit and trees where animals and humans, as mass/ energy relation, can be sustained during their evolution on earth. Then when we die, our mass and matter resurrect into an energy form, E, as predicted by Einstein and Maxwell, to roam the universe in energy form or even be reincarnated to matter, serving a similar or different form. For those interested to link Albert Einstein's Energy God ( God 1) to Jesus, all one needs to do is to note that Jesus felt the energy around him and called this Energy that makes storms and Earthquakes and Erupts Volcanoes, " His father energy" and so he said, " I am a son of my father". Jesus did not say, " I am the (only) son of my father God) and so he proceeded to relate the energy to matter on earth, by saying, " We are all made in the image of God the Father". whereas Albert Einstein deduced that matter can be resurrected into Energy as Engineers resurrect, coal, oil, gas, and uranium into Mechanical Electrical and heat, and light energy. **When it comes to explaining Resurrection, we may mention how an "engineering resurrection" can take place during this time of pandemic and physical separation and how it impacts the individual and Church at any level. While we may consider how in the future, resurrection may reveal itself through liturgy and worship of the Poetic God (0) and the resurrection of Jesus as proceeding with the work of Jesus to be active after Jesus's death, we may depict the Energy God(1), first as a transformation of energy into the matter, including how the electromagnetic energy in this KZbin signal can affect the receiver's eyes and ears if this is read to them using the electronic voice interpreting algorithms working with the programmed Kernels to create a human language. **One can end this discussion, which will probably not be accepted by the mediators of KZbin, that while the Poetic God(0) remained as a poetic inspirational God, residing outside this universe, as Rowan Williams suggests, not many tangible guaranteed human comforts existed on earth, and it is only when Einstein's energy God ( God 1) and James Maxwell's God again ( God 1) started being handled by engineers to resurrect solutions to problems, which religious people still regard as miracles, as the internet and KZbin appear to others, and when engineers, with their practice philosophies and aids, are still rejected in discussing these issues in religious circles, when, clearly it is the Engineering God that people now prefer and are allowing in and outside their homes. This separation in the Covid 19 era, it is through the Engineering God that we can make contact and even see and hear each other and even the sacraments and rituals can proceed to be celebrated. **As far as the future church communicating online and bridging the distances, it has nothing to worry about, as, Bread and wine, and oils and flesh and blood are still related to each other, and they can transform and resurrect into one another through the Einstein's Energy God God (1) described as E= mc^2 and of course where James Mawell predicted that the energy Electromagnetic God can travel as Curl(E)= d(B)/dt. **If religious presenters learn to speak the engineering and mathematical language, they will understand the energy of God (God 1) and his resurrections and transformations much better. Meanwhile, we all need to learn to apply a reverse algorithm and try to link the Energy God( 1) to the Poetic God, God(0) to really get the full picture. In getting to fully know the Energy God(1), humans will still have enough satisfaction from living with him wherever they are. Trying to also know the Poetic, Artistic, God ( God 0) is however a good human investment, as the human mind cannot be filled with only Energy and Matter and real information, and a little inspirational fiction can keep us going. Considering the sufferings of people in the past, one wonders if we could see the need for the origins of religions as someone needed to write a particular verbal sonata/cantata/poem to help those who needed mental relaxation. A Sonata is a vague term, with varying meanings depending on the context and time period it was written. It represents the principle of composing large-scale musical works no different than deriving a good Poetic and artistic God. It was applied to the fundamental methods of organizing, interpreting, and analyzing situations and depicting the appropriate music for them. Like the musical styles of sonatas, the styles of most religions have changed since the early era, even to please an English King, but in general, sonatas and religions still try to maintain the same public mental needs. Continued in reply.

[@carmelpule6954]

** In engineering terms, all these religious and social psychological requirements can now be achieved by an engineering God, being shaped in tangible and guaranteed forms, to enter and link our separated homes with, aircraft cars, and electronic communications according to James Clerk Maxwell's four equations. Since an Electronic charge can stand on its own, and there is no magnetic charge, it could be that the Poetic God (0) could first be related to an Electric field rather than a looped Magnetic field, and it is when there was a rate of change of an electric field, or a dynamic God (0), that magnetic field followed, to make up the complete Energy God, God (1), to travel in time and space domain. James Clerk Maxwell discovered this in Curl (Elect)= d(Mag)/dt, and thus. Einstein's Energy God(1)= E= mc^2 followed, to initiate the evolving matter into a universe and the life processes that Darwin discovered. When dead, the dead mass will resurrect into an energy form. It all seems to be a cyclic sequence after all, where a limited lump of energy transforms into mass, evolves, and then resurrects back to energy God (1). With all the practical benefits existing in the energy God( 1), the general public still prefers to fill their minds with the Poetic Artistic, harmonious Sonata God(0) Here is a dissected evolution of how the Engineering Energy God further evolved, with the advent of human existence, and from living outside the universe He came in so stealthy to live with us, where many still do not recognize him. 1. The agrarian agricultural God, when humans and animals joined forces to work the land and sea to feed all society 2. The steam engine God, and other mechanical metal engine revolutions, bettered the living styles of families provided toilets. 3. The Electrical God, with power stations, light bulbs, motors, and generators entered every home with hygiene products 4. Analogue Electrical God, which brought about amplitude and frequency modulation and radio and communications. 5. The Digital Electronic God, which brought about automation, computers, GPS, and the internet, and these Videos which Rowan Williams now loves so much, that they became his electronic God, "who" paints his face and enables his voice to be heard at my home. 6 The Digital Artificial Algorithms God, which will take over from Pilots and other decisions, including what they do at Hospitals and all that is required to provide the tangible guaranteed comforts which will fill the old cathedrals and of our own homes, All Priests, Bishops, Archbishops, Cardinals, Popes, Patriarchs, and Imams, should be accompanied by an engineer when he preaches from the engineered pulpit, in any engineered cathedral, or to an internet-connected home, after the engineered bells and the digital clocks, synchronize the distant locations on earth.

[@carmelpule6954]

At 45:00, When Rowan Williams is asked what part of us, as a "mass or matter" on earth, we leave behind after we become God, he keeps answering in Poetric language and methaphors. As long as anyone talks about God as depicted by Rowan Williams using language symbols, he has no choice but to depict God with the spoken or written symbols of a particular language, which are all so artificial and illusionary, and can only depict another Image and a substitute shadow of reality, even if, rather than depicting God, the -language would be used to describe a man, a woman, and a child.No language can ever be accurate even if the speaker follows all the spelling and the grammatical laws of a language. No language can describe a woman and at the same time describe all the details of how a real woman can become a mother with all her emotional feelings. There is much detail that language must leave behind when we communicate with any language or art. Silence can contain much more information, but unfortunately, it cannot be transmitted, as in my present case when, as an engineer, I am trying to transmit all my thoughts to Rowan Williams. If we look upon God as an Engineering Energy God, according to Einstein E= mc^2, and James Clerk Maxwell, where the Energy E that makes God, is Electromagnetic Energy, then one can introduce metaphorically or poetically, the real modulating transformations that occur in engineering, when a piece of coal, oil, gas, wood, uranium is transformed into electricity and then modulated into an electromagnetic field to be launched from an antenna, to roam the universe in a chosen modulated form, to undulate the communicated information being transmitted. These are normal transformations for an engineer. Now when Albert Einstein discovered that E= mc^2, when mass is changed into energy, then all the matter that was contained in the mass, would be transferred into Energy. One can look at the mass as a person with a shape and a personality, and a voice, where after it transforms to modulated Energy God E, there is absolutely nothing left behind, the mass will disappear but all the personality that was contained in it will be MODULATED on in the Energy God as any radio or a TV signal. even in digital form. When Jesus said, "we are all shaped in the image of God (Energy) ", he referred to us as humans the mass part, which has a schooled personality, but when we are transformed back to God, as Energy E, then that Energy E is Modulated with our personality, and so nothing of the information in the mass is lost. Hence the personality in the human mass m is totally retained as modulation in the Energy E. There is nothing left behind and there is nothing miraculous about this, as Rowan Williams himself is now modulating his voice over this channel, represented by this video, and while I do not have the human mass of Rowan Williams beside me---- but I certainly have his personality in modulated form, be it the video part, or his vociferous part. There is no doubt whatsoever that Rowan Williams's personality is with me, through modulated energy traveling more than 2000 miles from where he now stands. I can say with confidence, that the mass of Rowan Williams has been transformed into Energy, and through his modulations, I know, not only his philosophy but also his miner father and farmer mother parents, as I did watch his video, all this through Williams modulating himself to be a little Energy God transferred and now roaming the KZbin circuits in electromagnetic energy form. I suppose if the electronic memory and processing banks of KZbin can be called Heaven, then Dr. Rowan Williams has changed himself into a little modulated God and is roaming about in KZbin heaven, with many others who recorded their mass personality on the modulated signals and now coming to speak to me. So at the moment since Williams is still alive he is partly mass and partly a modulated Electromagnetic Energy. There is not a bit of mass, within the electronic Rowan Williams God, who now exists on KZbin memory and processing banks, but his modulation and new electronic personality will resurrect Rowan Williams, through a fetch cycle algorithm whenever I want to hear his soothing voice and see his lovely face. I am sure that in his present modulated electronic energy form, he is enjoying sharing my little bit of heaven in my own home, rather than us meeting in a cold cathedral as when I was in England such a long time ago.

[@ChaudhryRajinderNijjharJatt]

Hi Brethren, In Jesus, we have One Fold, Church of God headed by One Shepherd, Christ Jesus. But this man belongs to Church of England headed by Queen, the head of Mammon in the defence of this Faith in Mammon soldiers who died during fighting for secular kingdom of Queen were said to have glorified God. Such a person, who heads this Church of Satan cannot know loving God as displayed by Brother William Both who declared the soldiers died for King and country. They hated him as the Temple Priests hated Jesus. More in my Videos.

[@butterflybeatles]

Is he saying anything un-Catholic, in your opinion?

[@RICARDO13158]

As B C Butler said human language is hardly competent to deal with absolute mystery.Stopped listening when this man ordained gay people then changed his mind and then changed it again .He sounds so much like Christopher Lee in Lord of the rings who was the wizard of darkness .

[@rebeccanichol]

I've never heard so much pseudo-spiritual mumbo jumbo. What a deeply disturbed man.