Royal Navy T10: Minotaur - A Strange Beast

[@Flamuu]

Also going live with some royal navy gameplay on my twitch www.twitch.tv/flamuu

[@Flamuu]

Is this ship OP or weak? Very hard to call at this point, it will largely depend on how players will react to it. I doubt it will ever be weak, but there will certainly be rough games, especially ones where the enemy has radar cruisers or in general hydro ships willing to push down your smoke. Need to play it more before I can truly make any sort of definitive statement, but US cruisers in particular will deal with the RN line very easily (very tanky against AP when angled, strong AP guarantees huge damage and radar to counter the smoke).

[@lucaguaraldi3725]

Flamu also german's cruisers ?

[@Tormentor]

The ship looks okay, but it is the smoke meta that is really starting to piss me off. Soon it will be ALL about concealment at which point the game turns into a stupid camp fest like wot because everyone will be too chicken to move and those who actually do will get instantly focussed once spotted. Really bad idea on wgs part imo. Keep smoke for dds to support their team, this way it actually evokes teamwork and not damage spammers hiding themselves.

[@vicmclaglen1631]

Really, they first said dds were OP so we give cls advantages to counter the dds. Then we say players are being too cautious by not wanting to advance into all this, so we change economy to punish those who don't take enough damage/get shot at enough, regardless of their contribution to the win and/or overall skill in avoiding damage. Now we add more invisifiring ships that bbs can't do much of anything about without help because they cannot see them. What's next? Further economic penalties I guess....or maybe that was in preparation for what we will apparently now have. 60K damage in under two minutes all from invisifire, without taking a single hit?

[@VuLamDang]

The whole RN line is for active, agressive player - how OP it is is depend on how you position your ship relative to BOTH your line and enemy line. I just got to Edinburgh, and it suit me like glove. Sure, I had bad games - sometime I was stupid, other time people are stupid, but it have the best damage per minute I ever had. Just pay whole lot of attention to positioning and manuvering.

[@cjfedler327]

I love how much people are calling this ship OP. I have one, and it's a ship that Very much plays like an Atlanta. And while it does have smoke, it loses out on the HE, which really gives you damage against Angled BBs and Even some cruisers. It's Fragile, and even though the 10.1km(with the concealment module) is amaller than every other T10 cruiser, it's still larger than plenty of DDs. who can spot you and their team can kill you. It takes skill and patience to play it right, and when you do, it's great. But that's not ANY different from any other ship. It's not OP, but it is fun and a good ship

[@Dovoline3]

> shells fired - 1254 HOLY FUCKING SHIT IT'S LIKE A FIRE HOSE OF DEATH

[@50043211]

This will be getting interessting. Thx for your work Flamu.

[@MrShadowpanther3]

High Ballistic Arc + can sit behind islands and rain damage (spotting critical) - shells take 2 weeks to land... must lead with a time machine + can launch all 8 torps on the same track to stack damage when situation arises - citadel starts just below your flags + turns extremely well - putting the ship in reverse takes for-ever to take effect + 10 km torps + can torp from stealth +/- need to stop shooting BEFORE smoke runs out - citadel starts just below your flags...

[@timber_wulf5775]

This wasn't negative or approving I like it

[@ofi1238]

"Stealthiest T9 cruiser by far" So it's a T9 in T10 XD

[@Dumb-Comment]

this is a pure skill based ship as you have to skillfully put yourself in a suitable situation to deal damage and get out before anyone melt you down.

[@victorsung3582]

This is the best gift for a dreary Tuesday. Flamu is the best.

[@phil.l.1327]

My all around favourite Tier 10 ship in the game. It can play both as a cruiser and a destroyer at the same time. Its awesome.

[@frankvc5899]

The shells flying looks like snow....lovely

[@timber_wulf5775]

Nanchisan Nanchisan fire the snowballs

[@Eagle-pg7bx]

Jingles said that the AP is very surprisingly powerful. In the Minotaur he was able to do consistent damage to a bow-on Friedrich der Große.

[@ArariaKAgelessTraveller]

he use AP on super structure will always do damage even if it's small

[@seabass9916]

The thing about the Minotaur is someone bad at it will die in like 5 seconds. Someone really good in it like Flambass though, absolutely lethal.

[@havocgr1976]

Reminds me last night I was in a Yugumo, angled vs 2 neptunes both at around 5km and they were bouncing like crazy lol

[@nurbsivonsirup1416]

Now, this really fits the British narrative, right? Completely eccentric but strangely effective ...

[@TheSaberra]

Finally we can see them in action.

[@defenderbob]

On the mini-map - there is a heading line on the targeted ship.. .Is that a mod or have I overlooked a UI tweak in an update??

[@henrikpettersson2886]

I think the ships that fires so incredibly rapidly fells a little bit op. Glad they dont have HEAT-shells on this one.

[@jakubw.2779]

Puting aside insane damage of the guns, this will be a nightmare for most players, since it is literally a floating citadel. As you said, anywhere on the waterline it's citadel. Well, we'll see how it will fare in hands of an average player like me for example

[@T.K.9]

The Paper armor reminds me of the Kutuzov, Molotov and other cruisers with the same armor. Kutuzov AP alone easily citadels another Kutuzov lol. I guess thats what they thought was a good trade off for having that rate of fire, smoke, repair and maneuverability on the RN ship. Different playstyle compared to other cruisers base on the tools and ship abilities that it has. And the high tier RN line also have some good maneuverability, very annoying to hit at long range... lol And if an RN show off her broadside for too long, its just a death wish... But that DPM though is crazy 2.8 sec reload ? :D I can imagine some team play where you hide behind a low lying island, and then have your team mate spot the enemy for you and just rain AP shells from a long distance. and at 2.8 reload.. no wonder she has no HE that'd be fucking up everyone's day... lol

[@tanall5959]

Raining steel is the new raining fire.

[@ResistLight]

้holy shit..but the the lack of HE could be its downfall...

[@AceMcGhee]

It's just a constant stream of shells...that's terrifying..

[@kevinma4571]

The Minotaur-raining AP hell on people since 2016

[@Mohandar881]

This thing is literally the next Atlanta. As atsf said: "You keep pressing left-mouse button, and you keep pressing it."

[@aethertech]

~ 5 minutes in. Without using torpedoes, no citadels against enemy cruisers, 60k damage. Holy, heck!

[@JoeyDee86]

I like that the lines are clearly unique... unlike WoT...

[@filipenunes716]

It has amazing fireing angles. The Ruder shift mod 3 would work nice I think, yeh you lose concealment but it still keeps it at 9.8km which isn't bad. I couldn't see the rudder shift time number but it looks slow with just the 20% module.

[@matteoorlandi856]

i'm a strange beast too :P this cruiser line is going to be funny, or at least different...

[@fafniroth]

Interesting. I wonder if they would remove AP from the IJN DD lines then. After all, it's historical.

[@phillycheesesteak4607]

I just had a vision: High arced Royal Naval shells on cruisers with only AP. Germany and Japanese deck armor = basically wood. X_X

[@vahlen5281]

That rate of fire is so getting nerfed after a few patches...But I am curious how the RN cruisers will perform considering the huge amounts of BBs at the moment.

[@TJackson736]

It would be a sine wave if you plotted damage versus angle.

[@Jupiter787Gaming]

Are you going to do a video on the lower tier RN CAs?

[@autogun290]

Are the improved autobounce angles still valid for the guns? I figured the bounces would've been rarer b/c of that.

[@ScotSteam47]

Hey Flamu, how'd you get your guns into the 2 second band for firing?

[@ImHikaruCat]

If DD angle to you, I doubt the damage you can deal to them since it is AP and they can have a chance ti bounce your shells.

[@Itsallgoodtogo]

Minotaur ... Tier 10 Mogami 155mm with awsome AP. But with smoke.

[@Murakumo96]

Jerry Man Not really, I played the pre nerf Mogami, she was way stronger than this ship, Masive HE damage, good AP (not great but ok),18km range and, of course, the flamethrower Japanese HE. Thats how I see it, I might be wrong just because the ship is new, but as Flamu said, the ship needs a good player to shine, the Mogami was easy tp everyone

[@Itsallgoodtogo]

Yeah I meant the post nerf mogami. Nothing can reach CBT mogami.

[@claudiuprodan6855]

I remember also that Mogami was tier 7 in CBT and myoko tier 8

[@Sidney-YU]

where would you place it compared to the other tier X cruisers?

[@mat-sh9pl]

The minotaur looks like it makes it rain. Seriously, white AP shells + high rate of fire + being from the U.K.

[@steeltrap3800]

So 'angling' means a DD bounces the same shells that were wrecking about the most heavily armoured ship ever built? WG reasons. Makes perfect sense.

[@DeadlyAviator]

Physics is the reason

[@sirmoke9646]

It makes the game work. You shouldn't be able to kill any BB without hitting vital areas, but in-game that would translate to BBs being invincible to low caliber. DDs should get deleted by any decent caliber, so in-game the damage model allows a lot of overpens and bounces. Angling is only half of the story.

[@Beltorchika12]

Because he wasn't doing any damage by hitting the belt armor (broadside) of the Yamato as the shells would all have bounced. It was literally plunging fire superstructure penetration damage.

[@Panzergraf]

And the superstructure would soon have reached damage saturation if he'd continued shooting also.

[@tommeakin1732]

Well I'm pretty sure those penetrations are on the 32mm initial deck armour. Look at the armour models and you can work it out.

[@Murakumo96]

Can the 203s overmatch her bow and stern?

[@Clarkeh616]

so basically the british cruiser line are suped up DDs that can wreck BBs with AP instead of burning them up.....

[@ThelifeofJulien]

Met a Minotaur last night while in moskva.He tried to take me bow on ,well didnt end well for him ,citadels from everywere was by far the easiest kill on a cruiser.In my opinion they should had remove the citadel from this line

[@Flamuu]

Nah, you are as I said, a hard counter to the line, just like USN CAs are. The ships need weaknesses to justify the smoke + huge AP DPM.

[@TheIronHordesman2]

Serban Iulian almost the same but reverse i was on my hindernburg i took him angled i got like 47 bounces in a row

[@Hanszo1995]

Dat 3 second reload... :0

[@bierepetzouille9734]

do you think it would be over powered if it had he?

[@cobrazax]

which chat mod r u using? i used the same one on aslain mod pack and its bugged while yours isnt

[@5chr4pn3ll]

Can you please do a video with the Minotaur and the rainbow rounds mod? It would be pride-tastic

[@heathermarcoux294]

you would think a ship that is only equipped with armor piercing shells would be a lot better at... you know... piercing armor...

[@williamgrand9724]

imagine several of these things shooting at something... my god...

[@deathsquadanthrax]

i suppose its not as op as the flint but pretty decent wouldnt take it in rank or clan match but decent ship and like you said highly situational

[@mrinzel]

Does demolition expert give you 3% fire chance on AP? Cause that may be worth it given how many shells you fire and hit.

[@sirmoke9646]

3% of zero is still zero. Even though its additive. Without that you could make any AP in the game have 5% fire chance(with signals).

[@mrinzel]

Sir Moke but is that how it works? I thought it was add 3% fire chance so 3+0 = 3

[@SheepWaveMeByeBye]

I think I set ships on fire using AP, but very rarely. Dunno how those two things stack...

[@razvandavid1510]

To me this is a complex scheme by WG to get people buying Belfast, which is the essential British cruiser, that also gets HE shells and all the necessary tools to quickly dispatch DDs (also situated at T7, where you are more likely to be top tier than bottom tier). Having no HE shells is quite a drawback and really off putting, at least for me.

[@nonofyabidnez5737]

Wish you had done a stream-highlight video with this ship. The sweet sweet tears of all the people not being able to cope with the clickedi clicks ;o)

[@nonofyabidnez5737]

10:10 that turret traverse oO This ship looks like it's hilarious!

[@Helldiver18]

Nice review

[@geoffmacmac]

So glad no HE. Looks like a fun ship

[@georgianpatriot1485]

wtf ??? i also noticed it really without HE ??

[@sirmoke9646]

None of the RN cruisers have HE.

[@Strangers1234]

Keep in mind You have 8 AA guns You get senjou'd once You have no AA left

[@kuhluhOG]

ehm, your mainbattery is also AA on this ship

[@Strangers1234]

Kilian Hanich those are not AA guns Those are DP guns "AA guns" refers to anything that will track and point at planes if you have the "animate small objects" turned on. Basically:Anything that isn't DP. DP guns (secondaries, basically) have vastly improved health over AA guns.

[@kuhluhOG]

Strangers123 ok, but the mainbattery is also used as AA

[@Strangers1234]

DP: Dual purpose Otherwise knows as "High angle guns" "Low angle/High angle guns" "Anti surface/Anti Air" "Multi-purpose guns" Basically: They shoot planes while you use them to shoot other stuff. Point being: You get HE'd a bit, your AA goes from "Pretty damn good" considering you don't have defensive AA to "not good enough to stop a dedicated strike alone"

[@ThatOneDude7]

Kilian Hanich excuse me, do u know who strangers123 is ???

[@francismacmoragh5278]

So a ship that is totally dependent on the skill of enemy and a bit of own skill ?

[@finalfantasyforeva9537]

Yamato laughs at RN paper armour. Yamato can lolpen RNLC at any angle. Yamato does not fear RNLC, yamato will bounce everything!

[@albloke]

Dammit they messed the whole RN line by the look of it. I was so looking forward to them but now im no sure if I will bother playing them, the whole RN CL line look so situational its hard to see what role they will take in battle.Over grown DD's with bigger guns I guess?? your damage figures on this game looked amazing but if your insta deleted from all angles if you get spotted, no HE and shell arks that will reach the moon... these ships are not for me!I was hoping they would play similar to the German CA/CL line.... thanks but no thanks WG :(

[@scheimong]

I was playing my baltimore and ran up against a minotaur at 12km. I showed broadside for less than 10 seconds and before I noticed it he took 27000hp off me. But then I deleted him with 5 citadels in 2 salvos. =)

[@poundstone1000]

really? So you won against him?

[@scheimong]

Karaboudjan ya, very squishy ship it is.

[@fwi1298]

that damage curve aint a curve, it' s a spike

[@relativity375]

report flamu for not showing torps ;)

[@Snakebloke]

Well there's only one thing to say after seeing this... *Rule Fucking Britannia*

[@SquigglyBeasst]

If the maing guns are dual purpose, would manual AA control be better than AFT?

[@timber_wulf5775]

LukaszVT depends do you want to piss off CVs or do you want to ninja fire

[@SquigglyBeasst]

AFT won't affect the range of your main armement (they're 152mm) and it has no secondaries (as far as I know). So it just comes down to what provides better AA overall.

[@abacs21]

It has secondaries, but come on what do you expect from cruiser secondaries anyway?

[@OssyTK]

Looks in battle like some weird T2 ...

[@trlacr1781]

12:29 risitas intensifies

[@tommyscaletta]

800 WHAT HP REGEN?! RIP Yamato

[@XPAMOBHuK]

Magick AP 152mm nice lesta nice

[@kevinma4571]

why is my world of warships always lagy????

[@fdYkn]

Its a glascannon.

[@VikingNewt]

sadly an insider has informed me that WG have decided that the only decent british ships are going to be premium. they're choosing the worst and fucking them up the arse. something something putin.

[@bubbamofobear1]

This ship is a paddle. If you don't fuck up you don't get hit.

[@Alexprim313]

It`s another step to a WOWS dead.

[@muodypl2]

Looks OP a.f. to me.

[@Sain7a]

Play DDs then.

[@sirmoke9646]

OP in a certain situation does not make the ship OP -.- With that argument all ships are OP-> non of them are.

[@vladimirvojtaml]

This ship is just wierd :D

[@Opaheke1]

First response was WTF? No HE, but if after a few weeks this line I successful then great-wg would then have addressed half the current abuse smoke/spam HE meta that makes things kinda meh right now. And with radar and hydro ships more common maybe we will see morecsmoke ships using their smoke to help their team?

[@tom-tk6tc]

My LMB will get cracked very soon with reload like this :D

[@PAdrian800]

tom0750 you can just hold the button down, no need to click for every shot ;)

[@deeritto252]

How have AP donhave HE Why?

[@SuperSteaders]

Because it would mean more fires. Think about it, even if your HE shells had 1 % chance of fires you'd still get tons of fire because of the insane rate of fire of this ship, and WG doesn't want more fire, so they removed the HE entirely. In real life they did have HE but it's for balance purposes.

[@Zephire01]

British RN cruiser lines definitely are not for new players. Need to play smart and unleash hell once enemies made a mistake.

[@akselp]

Hmm, I really dont think I will play the RN cruiser line at all. Too silly for me. The premiums as long as they have HE I will give a try.

[@srir.5282]

yea, aiming and positioning are for silly people, lets just braindead spam HE and win

[@akselp]

Sri R. I like to be able to punish IJN DDs that runs away after dumping their torps. If that is braindead to you, well, then Im braindead.

[@srir.5282]

akselp the british AP deals 50% overpen dmg, instead of the normal 10%. So, hitting DDs with brit AP is bigger than with normal HE.

[@akselp]

Sri R. Not when they bounce, and they do even on the weakest armor.. Just watched a major community contributor fire on a same tier BB that was near broadside. did 1000 dmg on the first salvo, but then 9 salvos from 10-12 km away on a slightly angled BB at the super structure an all bounces.. 9 salvos and no damage. And a BB charging you head on.. You havent got a chance to damage him without torps. The guns are useless.. The RN cruisers are broken. No reason to deny it.

[@kostasgalanis8061]

too situational to fit in the current state/meta of the game so I'm calling underpowered, maybe reduce ROF and add HE? I'm not sure, are the rest of RN cruisers like that?

[@mammothmk3355]

Pretty much, from the stat in the website.

[@ThomasEPeters]

Put the HE back, reduce the number of turrets. According to the navweaps.com page for this model of 6" gun, Neptune was only supposed to have 3 x triple 6in Mk25, and Minotaur-which was supposed to be a CHEAPER Neptune, had 3 x twin 6in Mk26. The cruisers actually built, the Blake class had only two x Mk26 twin. But these 6in guns had a real world reload of 1.5 sec= 20rpm per barrel. Not 2.3 sec. Reduce the number of guns, give the HE back, give the guns their real ballistics and ROF. And switch Neptune to T10 and Minotaur to T9.

[@destroyerinazuma96]

Yes it's new, yes it's original, but no thank you I'll keep my HE :)

[@salutiz]

2:45

[@wowfan532]

So looking at your screen, HE is not even an option?

[@BlackeyeLP]

WoW Fan No it would be op

[@Trades46]

Lazy balancing when testers complained of HE spamming. I rather WG come up with other methods of balancing, but alas this is what we end up with. Personally I would give RN cruisers HE, but with low alpha damage & only 1-2% chance of fire. Better than nothing & gives something to use when opponent is angled, but primary damage dealer is AP.

[@sirbader1]

but Des Moines isnt?

[@twindragonslegend]

even at 1/2% with the rof of this ship you would burn everything to the ground. Whether you want to admit it or not fire damage is a problem in the current meta and this ship would only expand on the problem if it had he. A better solution would be to keep the damage HE can do but gut the damage of the actual fires. Allso fix CV's so that BBs arent sitting still bow on

[@Akm72]

Agreed. HE damage against armoured targets is currently broken. 130mm HE from Russian DDs is ridiculously effective against battleships. Not giving British light cruisers HE doesn't fix the actual problem.

[@georgianpatriot1485]

Really only Ap ?????????

[@timber_wulf5775]

მეგრელი აბრაგი would you like to see a Minotaur on the enemy team in a BB then he plays it so well?

[@Numenor76]

Received : 305,000 Spend : -241,000 Shit, i wish i was cynical. I was playing the wrong game for so long. Good timing though.

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

It doesn't seem right that you can bounce off destroyers and yet get citidelled through the bows by anything other than a destroyer! One or the other should be changed. It's a paper ship anyway so who cares if they fiddle with it. You say OP, but if you gave any of those broardside targets to a Des Moines, you could do just as much, if not more damage. The only advantages are stealth/smoke and heal.

[@2138Dude]

AA means nothing, after some DD fires at you a couple of times it becomes non existent

[@Garfieldfidel]

noch ein kommender Grund BB`s auf Tier 10 nicht zuspielen, oder? Die Feuerrate ist ja schon fast pervers zunennen!

[@SergioSeminarioC]

first impression on looks: those guns look way too small for that hull, and the hull looks really tall... first impression on gunnery: powerful guns, but those arcs are really bad, and lots of hang time, feels very Des Moines-like.

[@Wildboy0001]

What in god´s name is that? Must be a brand new trolljoke from the wg subhero´s !!!

[@arisgaliatsatos595]

By far the most frustrating T10 Ship i have ever played inn this game....

[@ProfIdiotFromMars]

Its the E25 of wows.. lol

[@kevinma4571]

shit... Im getting the British ships

[@tommihommi1]

I think CVs will probably kill you if they get the chance (no cruiser with AA consumable next you), as your long range AA is plain annoying

[@T33kanne]

so you say the ship is potent and has nearly everthing.... would you say its OMNIpotent LUL

[@Trades46]

It is OP? I find it at T10 it slightly underpowered. The complete lack of HE is a mistake; this means (as shown in the video) you're literally HELPLESS against a charging DD if he can bounce your AP shells harmlessly. I much rather have some even more nerfed German HE (which is already laughable) which REDUCES the rate of fire to ~10 second reloads than not even being able to switch ammunition. Unless the change the damage model or give the RN AP shells some weird properties which accounts of scratch damage against ships with no armor (DDs), this ship is has severe limitations in which it can be used, negating all of the other "OP" statistics such as super-fast turret traverse, rate of fire and insane AA.

[@SSEF15]

Not helpless. You can knock out the turrets of any DD with those guns, and superstructure hits will still do damage, have you seen the DPM? Plus you have hydro. If a charging DD gets you in this, it's most likely your fault rather than the ship's.

[@Trades46]

Windoges You didn't see the engagement against the Kagero did you? 13 bounces, 0 damage. No modules broken. A T10 CL against a T9 DD? Only if a DD WILLINGLY shows broadside you can start landing penetration damage. Highly situational.

[@SSEF15]

That's because the shells were coming down at a steep fall at 10km+. Close in they should dig in against the superstructure and overmatch the hull because they're impacting at an angle closer to perpendicular, giving you the 1/3 of full damage per shell. I've APd a Kagero to death with the US 127mm close in, first taking out its guns, then dodging the torps. The same shouldn't be a problem with these guns. And once again, with AP you should be aiming at the turrets and the torpedo tubes if you can't hit the meaty parts, not randomly shooting at bits of the ship. It's far from helpless. You argue the ship is highly situational based on one situation which I could reasonably say happens once every dozen games. The Kagero is spotted at 5.4 km, and if you're still sitting in smoke staring at it coming towards you instead of popping sonar and bailing then maybe you should be torped.

[@helio-r4u]

Windoges preach it

[@Sandhoeflyerhome]

Pronounced MY na Tor