Rules, Rule-Breaking, and French Neoclassicism: Crash Course Theater #20

[@Segkee]

I haven't said this yet, but this is a really fascinating series with a great host. Well done CrashCourse!

[@chrissypngjpeg]

as someone who's learnt all of this in french since high school, its so cool to see you explain it so well and in such a fun way! im so excited for the moliere video, his pieces were hilarious!!

[@acetronautinspace_acm]

MOLIÈRE!!! Fun fact you might want to mention: Molière preferred tragedy plays over comedy but had the misfortune of being good at writing and acting comedies

[@rashidanjackson]

Studying for a Theatre Teacher Certification exam and Crash Course has soooo helped me learn in an exciting and fun way! I’ve learned more from Crash Course than I’ve learned in High School and majoring in Theatre in College! So grateful for you guys!

[@rashidanjackson]

Just following up, I passed the content exam and got a job teaching theatre in a public school!!

[@sixpomegranateseeds6893]

Really fascinating! We always think of Shakespeare and the Greeks when it comes to theatre, but there's also that religious stuff, the stuff out east, and now in France!

[@koellekind]

Mike's disapproving face when he says "And do you know better than Seneca?!" Haha, that is so funny to me. :) I really like this series.

[@fizzylimon]

This is also super interesting with relation to French (by which we of course actually mean Parisian) opera at the time, or Tragédie lyrique. Because of all the rules for plays, there was an opening for opera to be a little more supernatural, so they took all the stories of Greek gods, heroes, etc., and put on MASSIVE spectacles for the audience. But the catch was that literally one composer, Jean-Baptiste Lully, was allowed to write them because of a contract with the opera house. He died after getting a gangrenous toe from a conducting accident, and the public just had no idea what to do, so they kept re-staging his operas for like twenty years while others tried and failed to live up to his legacy until Jean-Philippe Rameau came along, and even he was controversial. Gotta love French audiences!

[@ThriveForBetter]

fizzylimon make more videos plz

[@kendalltracey3143]

Omg, we learned about El Cid in my Spanish IV class!

[@blubberface2337]

This is really, really good. Thanks for the lesson, even during the summer. It got my brain pumpin.

[@miss1of2]

get ready for the king of classic comedy people !!!!!!!! MOLIÈRE ARIVE!!!!!!!

[@elag1144]

Oooh next time is Moliere right??? His plays have made me have the laugh of my life

[@peterhendrickson6948]

elisona agalliu Have you read The Misanthrope?

[@elag1144]

Haley Hendrickson yes, i have read a book which said "full work of Moliere" but I believe there are still books of him there weren't part of it. Mesantrope tho, was. And it was one of the best. My first-read and most dear work of Moliere tho will forever be Tartuffe

[@peterhendrickson6948]

elisona agalliu I'll have to read it

[@lakrids-pibe]

I'm looking forward to that

[@sayuncleordie]

Those stories are crazy.

[@valerieb2855]

I feel like i’m back in high school ! This analysis is really interesting but Corneille didn't really fall in line after Le Cid. His response, 3 or 4 years later, was Horace ... And other cornelien hero torn between love and duty

[@valerieb2855]

I forgot to mention : lot of violence and a questionable unicity... French neoclassicism is also big on murder

[@vrixphillips]

Ah, Racine

[@murrvvmurr]

French lit song writing etc is alot about lexico-grammatical gymnastics. One's being apt at expressing his or her thought and emotions wilst practicing said calisthenics, is perceived as smarter and more competent inspite of empirical evidence to the contrary. I love it! ALLEZ LES BLEUS! ALLEZ LES BLEU! First i was affraid, i was petrified. Couldn't imagine all my life without you by my side.....

[@bobmiller3627]

So it was like, the medieval French version of "Dogme 95" then huh? Cool :)

[@nicholasnino529]

Much love Crash course! hope you get many grants! I was inspired to start an education channel by this video! You do so much with so little! Lol "great plan here's my sword"

[@samuelhuang0110]

Great video! Are you guys going to do courses on geography?

[@HalfpennyTerwilliger]

I d'd like to know where you've seen that French Renaissance came late, after the religious wars. The peak of French Renaissance was during François the First's reign. Born in 1494, he reigned from 1515 to 1547. The Renaissance is considered to have ended with the religious wars around 1600. Corneille was born in 1606 and Racine decades later in 1639.

[@MelodicNoise23]

I notice this on most of Crash Course episodes, what does DFTBA stand for?

[@AA-bn7tf]

Rules... For art..... Thanks France... Thanks

[@CarolineGarland]

Allons-y! Brilliant! Though you should've changed your ending just this once to "I don't want to go..."

[@Igor-v7b]

Just to be clear, iambs are not a thing in French. The stress always falls on the last syllable of a word and such stress patterns are completely disregarded in poetry; only the number of syllables is calculated. An Alexandrin is then a twelve syllable line cut in half by a logical pause (as you had described). Also, feminine (ending with "e") and masculine (not ending with "e") rhymes have to be altered repeatedly and singulars (not ending with an "s") have to rhyme with singulars, and plurals with plurals (although singular and plural rhymes needn't alter repeatedly). I'd also like to add that hiatuses (vowels following vowels) are forbidden except at the logical pause. It's way harder to write alexandrins than iambic pentameter.

[@Dayglodaydreams]

I'm still anxious to get to the avant-garde, but this is pretty great too.

[@thegreenmage6956]

Le Cid: Slayer of the Enemy.

[@BrianHutzellMusic]

Every time I hear of El Cid (or in the French case, Le Cid), I think of the original animated "The Tick" series, which had a villain who was a giant sunflower named El Seed!

[@byronleblanc6064]

Can't wait for the part 2

[@jasonspreyer6009]

What about Japanese ,Chinese and Indian and Koran theater?

[@cholten99]

We had some of that early on - I'm very keen to know what was happening in these areas by the time you get to the period being discussed in this episode.

[@kokuinomusume]

Noh has already been explained. The opening credits feature kabuki and bunraku/ joruri as well as noh, but these flourished around the 1700s so I expect a later episode will talk about Chikamatsu Monzaemon (who did The Double Suicides at Sonezaki) or, alternatively, all-time kabuki classics like Kanadehon Chuushingura (the one with the 47 Ronin). Peking Opera began around the late 1700s (although Chinese Opera itself is several centuries earlier) but I'd be disappointed if it didn't appear in the series, too. There are some episodes of an NHK World program called Kabuki Kool floating around KZbin, and if you can't wait, I really recommend you to check them.

[@Suite_annamite]

*Why bring up Korean theatre, just to forget Vietnamese, who also belong in the "Sinitic" tradition?* I can't stand when *people lump together "China-Korea-Japan" only to predictably forget Vietnam* , which had more political and cultural prominence than Korea. Also, *they already had an episode on* Japanese theatre, and a subsequent episode on *Beijing opera in episode 25.*

[@philibertlehardi8054]

It was so much more interesting than when we see it in class !!!

[@conflictcrafter7438]

i laughed at the mic drop - mic pick back up. HAHA nice.

[@carl11547]

The "Alas, poor Yorick" speech is not properly a soliloquy in the sense forbidden by the French Academy. The next words are, after all, "I knew him, Horatio." Hamlet's not talking directly to the audience.

[@donnysandley4649]

Hermes trismegistus is flat out the best sidekick 😏 and what a great play👍 for any theater 🤔 emerald tablets n all 😂

[@julietagalang2227]

I dont gets the Last Rule, can someone summarize it to me.

[@linaconti2647]

"La Pléiade", not "le Pléiade".

[@fabienlehenaff2742]

1:39 he always says l'Académie Français instead of Française

[@Undeaddog42]

Some of the French neoclassical remind me a little bit of some aspects of the Comics Code Authority. It’s weird to imagine having to write plays under such strict rules, but it’s even weirder to think about the fact that restricted storytelling happened in a different medium not all that long ago.

[@Aaooee]

2:09 I'm no expert, but isn't a soliloquy a special kind of monologue where the actor addresses themselves and NOT the audience?

[@kevinyee9550]

Very nice!

[@sixpomegranateseeds6893]

Sometimes I wish modern day rom-comes would stay in their lane too. Sometimes you get this weirdly overly sentimental scene in the middle of two straight hours of laughs, and it feels out of place.

[@lsamaknight]

It's not just rom-coms. It seems like any primarily comedic movie has to have a serious falling out or argument between the protagonists at the end of the second act.

[@ilaydakohl5688]

Allons-y! (I'm hopefully not the only Whovian here...)

[@youtubingjaguar5082]

Nope! *waves at you from a passing blue box* ;)

[@Nic0maK]

Académie françaiSE ;) please.

[@ClaudiaSpironelli]

well done

[@ashagerhard8906]

Hi! I am french and I'd like someone to tell me what's the French equivalent for classicism because I guess it's not "classicisme " which refers to a complete different period. 😅

[@DuranmanX]

So basically the French Hayes Code

[@MakeMeThinkAgain]

That was a cruel little teaser mentioning that Racine was raised by Jansenists. You couldn't elaborate on how that might have affected his work?

[@Dev-qo5tx]

Did he really just pronounce "Allons-y" like "Allen Z"

[@acetronautinspace_acm]

Devon Scofield well to be fair it’s pretty close given how badly Americans botch French words (ex: pronunciation of croissant, hint: Tom Holland was actually saying it right all along)

[@lakrids-pibe]

Cardinal Richeloo

[@ashagerhard8906]

Yes he did, I did not guess the meaning of this word when I heard it the first time

[@Suite_annamite]

*Maybe everyone should learn to just say "on y va" instead.* English-speakers dabbling in French *really need to learn the French abstract pronoun for "one" (on) instead of inappropriately saying "tu".*

[@funstuff81girl]

News flash. Your elitism about the French accent is not normal. It is not necessary. French is hard to pronounce and it's also very specific; refusing to be obsessed with the exact pronunciation does not make him stupid. When French people speak English, they often have crazy thick accents. yet. no one feels the need to roast every word they use. Because it's stupid and. elitist.

[@rosariovega8687]

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[@Dayglodaydreams]

Why does it seem like Baroque and Neoclassical music is inspired by parts of Plato's Republic?

[@dreamgirl8238]

Loved your shorter version of Le Cid, it wasn't as funny to learn in class 😂

[@lucillem7706]

*La Pléiade :)

[@cramerfloro5936]

Allons-y

[@Richforce1]

Hoping to see Tartuffe next week.

[@philibertlehardi8054]

Dom Juan would be much better

[@TalysAlankil]

LA pléiade, guys. come on. even english wikipedia has it right.

[@Dayglodaydreams]

It takes like, until the 1700s for plays to be accepted by the State in Europe.

[@jasonspreyer6009]

It was a suggestion because what if Korea have like a similar to Chinese Theater or Vietnamese either to just saying I can't forget Vietnam it's like the new part of China

[@williamshortfilm5818]

ITS "La Pleiade", not "Le"

[@addiedobbs2515]

Where is Hank

[@stephaniehight2771]

Even if one of the Green brothers hosted this episode, which isn't required for Crash Course, it would've be John. Theater(re) is liberal arts.

[@yveszavaleta]

LA Pléiade.

[@ms.rstake_1211]

Can't believe the arts came late to France. They definitely made up for the missed time.

[@ashagerhard8906]

Oma Rumunna Well he said late which is true compared to Italy but it was earlier than in England for example haha

[@HalfpennyTerwilliger]

I honestly don't know what he's talking about when he says "Renaissance came late to France" then mentionning that it came after the religious wars. Renaissance in France is considered to have ended with those. The end of the era is disputed but all propositions are between the late 16th to early 17th. Racine was born in 1639, decades later.

[@ashagerhard8906]

HalfpennyTerwilliger As a french person, That is what I learnt at school. Renaissance came around 1500 I guess, when François 1er made war in Italy. He brought the Renaissance back to France, for example he brought Da Vinci near Paris. So it was not that late I guess.

[@lecapetien3223]

arts did not come late to France, for example: ars nova music style, opus Francigenum architecture, litterature written by Chretine de Troye, Robert de Boron who created the arthurian legends, etc....

[@ThriveForBetter]

Barley any views but 7m subs?

[@HattieMcDanielonaMoon]

What

[@varbalvarbal]

francaise is pronounced "fransays"

[@oldcowbb]

theatersins

[@culwin]

*moops

[@Epinardscaramel]

France !!

[@satansamael666]

Chinese theater anyone???

[@gelgamath_9903]

"Jokes but French" is that when you surrender halfway through a joke

[@gelgamath_9903]

Knock knock Who's there I Surrender

[@culwin]

Jerry Lewis

[@21katieus71]

please pronounce the s in française next time i Beg of u

[@rchuso]

French jokes?! Looking forward to something different.

[@dukefrywokker6470]

Awe, no s'mores joke. Disappointed.

[@NeverDoubtTheWorm]

I know you’re kidding but “Do you know better than Seneca” is a very while Jocular also wrong and illogical answer. Teach us why, don’t answer leading questions with dead end jokes. And if you don’t know the answer don’t mention anything at all, get a better team of writers. You cheapen your product and discredit yourselves when you do otherwise. Ijs, don’t @ me

[@daltongrowley5280]

"he groused" does anyone really grouse anymore?