Runway Collision At Los Angeles (USAir 1493 & SkyWest 5569) DISASTER BREAKDOWN

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[@Rombbb]

Can you share the name or link of the background piano music at 6:09 ? It's really nice. Thanks in advance. Super channel by the way !

[@dashcan8479]

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[@KingLucifer27]

@trashcan Yeah, that sounds really professional. I'd totally believe you. LMFAO!! 😜

[@Eric_Hutton.1980]

@DisasterBreakdown Wouldn't the SkyWest flight have been listening to the same frequency as the US Air flight? So couldn't they have chimed in and say were still on the runway?

[@emmap8280]

I cannot imagine the guilt that poor controller felt - while ultimately she put those two planes on the same runway, I know how stressful that job can get, especially with reduced staff and the lack of a functioning tracking screen. I hope she is doing okay, whatever she ended up doing

[@SkyrimCZtutorials]

She is not in the prison?

[@dannicolmatthew]

@@SkyrimCZtutorials No. While she did make mistakes, her mistakes were mostly caused by how bad ATC conditions were, such as the tower's postition, the malfunctioning ground radar, the lights that made it hard to see the smaller planes, and also the fact that she was being overloaded. ATC is a stressful job to say the least lol

[@danielabackstrom]

@Travel with Tony surely she uploaded selfies to instagram and TEXTED someone BACK IN 1991 🤣😂😂😂😂 🤡

[@dannicolmatthew]

@@danielabackstrom Yeah he's trying to go straight for stereotypes lol and it's not working. Dude gotta take this a bit more serious

[@danielabackstrom]

@Travel with Tony oh, you should know since you're a man, lord knows you can't do 2 things at the same time 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

[@powwowken2760]

Oof... Usually in this type of scenario it's easy to blame the controller for messing up, but a single person, juggling at the very least 6 aircraft, across 2 runways, in the dark where they can't see the planes themselves.... Honestly it's amazing that more of these types of accidents didn't occur, I sure as hell wouldn't want that job

[@KabbalahSherry]

Me neither 🤷🏻‍♀️😕 You know they probably ain't paid right. smh

[@eliasbiditza]

@@KabbalahSherry idk about usa, but in germany those people get paid VERY well. Like quite a bit above average.

[@busking6292]

I think one possible mistake was the smaller aircraft deciding to position itself for take-off in the middle of the ACTIVE runway(probably to save time/fuel) I think all take-offs should start behind the line although in this case it might not have made a difference.

[@MalcolmCooks]

@The Silenced controller *error* does not mean controller *incompetence*

[@scooby1992]

and an airport which is probably one of the busiest in the world with no ground radar system that might not have prevented this crash but would have made the chances of it happening vastly reduced .

[@Train2589]

after what happened in Tokyo today, this crash came to mind almost immediately for how similar the crash seems to be playing out minus the reports that the other plane was told to hold not forgotten like the accident here.

[@Sammie551]

Seems like the ATC didn't look out the window

[@Powerranger-le4up]

The Vancouver Canucks hockey team actually witnessed the accident and the pilot of their plane managed to get away from the flames. It really shook the team up and they were beaten 9-1 the next day.

[@bassett_green]

Pfft, amateurs. The Sabres are able to lose games 9-1 even without aviation disasters

[@connork5339]

My brother went to college with a guy who's parents were on that SkyWest commuter plane. He told me that the guy had a lot of issues during his college years as a result of the loss of his parents. Very troubling and sad.

[@kcindc5539]

Ugh that was an awful night. I was working in LAS for America West that night, and I knew one of the Skywest passengers - he was the station manager for Skywest at Palmdale. They closed the airport which halted the last seven of our 15 daily LAS-LAX flights. Most people were understanding given the circumstances… but there were a few jackasses I wanted desperately to haul off and slug the crap out of them. Such a sad day.

[@DisasterBreakdown]

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[@kristita_888]

It never fails to shock me how selfish some people can be in times of disaster!

[@saladasss2092]

@@kristita_888 2020/2021 in a nutshell

[@kristita_888]

@@saladasss2092 Oh my gosh - yes!

[@pauljordan4452]

KC in DC: I don't blame you at all.

[@Sashazur]

Sometime in the 80s, I was a passenger on an airliner in the USA getting ready to take off. Our plane made a final turn from the taxiway onto the runway and then immediately the pilot started the takeoff roll. We were going pretty fast but hadn’t rotated yet, when he hit the brakes hard. After we stopped he came on the PA and said something like “Well folks, there was another plane on the runway ahead of us. I thought he was going to get out of the way in time but he didn’t”. It was a hard enough stop that the emergency vehicles came out, but we didn’t have to evacuate. I don’t remember whether we took off later on the same plane or had to switch planes. I just thought the pilot was an idiot to start takeoff when he KNEW there was another plane ahead of him on the runway - maybe it was in the process of taxiing off, but still he should have waited until it really was clear.

[@Glibzer]

He should not be a pilot

[@lizpurr8402]

Holy crap that’s scary! Thank God your plane was ok and no one was hurt.

[@Neopumper666]

You have to take into consideration that proper procedures and clearances need to be followed And he probably had the green light and the other one was cleared but failed to follow up A lot of the aviation accidents are caused by this, directly or indirectly as it almost happened to you

[@luxmar1]

A.

[@EdmundKempersDartboard]

ATC must be one hell of a stressful job with thousands of lives in your hands every shift. Add to that the kind of hours they have to work and the amount of variables they have to juggle...

[@Sammie551]

They must be paid a lot

[@jupiterzombies]

@@Sammie551 lol

[@w00llee14]

This accident was witnessed from another plane which was carrying the Vancouver Canucks ice hockey team, naturally they were shaken by what they saw that evening.

[@senabecool7232]

History repeats itself, a JAL A350 has collided with a Dash-8 at HND in similar conditions to this accident

[@Perich29]

The 737 300 are metal in these days while the A350 900 are plastics.

[@Sammie551]

Seems like we didn't learn anything did we ☹️

[@dew9103]

⁠@@Perich29since everyone made it out of the A350 and some people passed away in the 737, plastics are more fire resistant than metal

[@ErzengelDesLichtes]

Why don’t airports have redundant systems? Airplanes have redundancies out the wazoo, but these disaster reports keep saying “the ground control radar wasn’t working” or “the glide slope beacon was undergoing maintenance” or whatever. WHY DO YOU ONLY HAVE ONE???

[@tinyoctopus9948]

Some higher ups probably don’t want to spend the money, even if it would be safer. Especially since it’s not guaranteed that they would ever use the backup, they probably did some calculations and decided it wasn’t worth the cost. Personally I would prefer to spend more money and not have people die, but I’m also not a rich businessman

[@ErzengelDesLichtes]

@@tinyoctopus9948 Pretty sure the higher ups don't want to pay for the airplanes' redundancies out the wazoo, but they're mandated so they don't have a choice. I'm wondering why the same "mandate safety" mentality isn't applied to airports, too.

[@samhhaincat2703]

@@ErzengelDesLichtes It's pretty simple: Capitalism.

[@truedarklander]

@@ErzengelDesLichtes Perhaps, infrastructure shouldn't be for profit at all

[@richardcranium3579]

@@samhhaincat2703 uh no. It’s called greed. It’s a basic human trait. Ever wonder how Millions died in the Gulags of the Russian “utopia”? There was no capitalism there and yet millions died……….? Since airports are operated by state, local, and regional entities (governments) that lays the answer at their feet doesn’t it?

[@chiroquacker2580]

My aunt and two of my cousins, who were young children at the time, were supposed to be on the Metroliner. My aunt was in the US Navy and was returning to the states from Japan, where she had been in communications. According to her, she had a bad feeling about the flight and decided to take a bus to San Diego instead of the flight. She may have just been tired of flying after many hours of long flights, but she does say a 'bad vibe' was at least a factor in her decision. Flying is the safest form of travel and the odds of being killed in a crash is in the same ballpark as the odds of winning the lottery, but there are people who beat the odds and win the lottery.

[@fluxerflixer1]

There is one factor you didn’t mention. When landing to the west at LAX during sunset the water creates a blinding glare that pilots had complained about for years. The water is very close to LAX. USAir was landing to the west at sunset during this accident. I read in reports that this was most likely a major factor in NOT noticing the Metro lined up and holding at that intersection. Just wondering if you heard about this?

[@LogieT2K]

This in my mind is just a tragic case of everything that could of gone wrong going wrong. I find it impossible to place any fault on anyone involved

[@moviemad56]

... Except the executives who decided to *cut* staffing at the world's busiest airport...

[@LogieT2K]

@@moviemad56 i was more meaning dorectly involved but yes, they are definately at fault

[@saladasss2092]

@@LogieT2K usually the ones who aren't directly involved are at fault. like the airlines cutting staff or the maintainance crew working sloppy.

[@samhhaincat2703]

Yip, it even affected your ability to spell.

[@mikipav1064]

Actually, only two things went wrong here: 1.) The usual: Shortage of staff because greedy management cutting costs 2.) An ATC-Controller, overwhelmed with work, making a human, but a terrible mistake because of the shortage of staff. You don't watch a lot of airplane disaster videos, don't you? Because this accident is one of a very few airplane crashes, that actually has a pretty simple and straightforward cause. Most airplane accidents have a much more complex chain of events that lead to disaster. I recommend you to watch a documentary abou the famous tenerife aircraft disaster. It was also a runway incursion, but with many more events that led to this very unlikely disaster. It has a much longer and complex chain of events.

[@scraggledy]

We need to appreciate the amazing work ATC does.

[@raquellofstedt9713]

I remember my mom saying that my dad called in before this even hit the news saying frantically to my mom that he wasn´t on that Sky west.. Before he even knew what one was crushed. he was waiting to get his boarding pass on Sky west for Fresno.

[@TinyTroglodyte]

Being an air traffic controller seems so stressful, too much for me at least.

[@AviationNut]

I just love these episodes you make and everytime you make these i say oh i already watched Air Crash Investigation about this crash, but i watch anyway and you always have so much more information and details than the ACI episodes. Excellent work my friend i am definitely a subscriber for life. Keep making these awesome detailed episodes and you will be at 1 million subs in no time. I share your videos with everyone I know and I always leave a like even before i watch the video because I know it will be awesome.

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Thank you. I am thrilled you enjoy my content. I have no plans on slowing down as of right now :)

[@kristita_888]

Disaster Breakdown has uploaded...my Saturday is now complete. 😁 Thanks for another impeccable production!

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[@NERGYStudios]

Cannot believe that the exact same thing happens in 2024.

[@dew9103]

the missing ground radar is in my opinion the biggest contributing factors in the collision

[@mbob4337]

We have so much fancy equipment today. But you'd think someone would have tried to fully illuminate the entire length of a runway. So visually landing planes can't miss if an object. Not just a plane, has entered the landing strip. Or maybe have it be motion sensitive. Where ever a plane taxi's and waits. Bright lights will stay active on the spot. Til the object is moved.

[@theborg6024]

id be worried there about having a massive miniature sun point at the runway, better to have lights on the plane themselves, which they do and somehow were missed here

[@alexburke1899]

The smaller plane didn’t have it’s strobe lights on per company policy at the time. Not blaming them I’m just saying the technology they needed was sort of there but not in use. I think the airline policy was to not turn on strobe until takeoff clearance but it should have been as soon as they entered the runway.

[@vandraiss]

I remember this accident very well. My doctor's daughter was on the Sky West plane. She was returning to Palmdale from enrolling in Mt Saint Mary's college.

[@Jeph629]

Not one, but TWO Skywest pilots with headsets monitoring the tower frequency and not recognizing that aircraft has been cleared to land on top of them!

[@tomdevine7395]

Thank you to KZbin and other outlets for telling this tragedy. For a long time I felt tremendous loss from this “accident”. I knew the Skywest pilots, Frank and Andy, from my days as an employee of Skywest Airlines in the 80’s (as an ops supervisor). To us Skywest folks, the Metro II and III, mostly a III later, were good friends. We knew the aircraft and we knew the pilots. I was an operations supervisor in Fresno for Skywest from ‘86-‘89 and we had a fairly regular crew of pilots - all of them excellent - who flew in/out of FAT. At our station, we had a few “regulars”, captains and first officers who regularly flew together. Andy and Frank were regulars for us and we always - and I mean always - enjoyed knowing that they were the crew. Andy was always smiling, a big swashbuckling as an Englishman, and Frank was the same, positive and “let’s go!” mentality. When they were running late, they’d often do what we called a “single engine turn” which was deplaning and boarding with the #2 engine running so we could make up the lost time. Andy and Frank were some of the best pilots that Skywest had at the time (Skywest had nothing but excellent pilots). Once in a while, Andy and Frank would be on an RON flight to FAT, most likely from Vegas as our last flight of the evening. Being a college student at Fresno State and an aspiring pilot (I was working on my private), I really enjoyed the company of the RON crews. We had a restaurant near the airport/hotel called, I think, the “Hillsfire Bar and Grill” which had excellent tri-tip and some good beer on tap. Sometimes, not always, I would offer to take Andy and Frank to the Hillsfire after their long day. We had such a great time. Andy explained to me his English roots, he was born and raised in England, and had moved to the US. Frank was just Mr. Positive, always full of smiles. Andy was straight out of WW2 films of Spitfire pilots defending England. He was handsome, charming, and an outstanding aviator. Frank was older and American, you could tell that he loved doing what he did. At that time, if you had asked me who I felt the most comfortable to fly with, I would have picked Andy and Frank, without hesitation. And, I should mention again, Skywest had some excellent pilots at that time including some women who were incredible pilots. What happened at LAX should never have happened. What happened to Andy and Frank, and the other fatalities, should never have happened. To the families of Andy and Frank I want to express my deepest condolences for your loss. I knew them and thought they were incredible individuals and pilots. I also express my condolences to the others lost on 5569 and US 1493, and those on the ground. I hope some of you here, who read my words, who knew Andy and Frank, can add more to my story. These two aviation professionals, these two wonderful pilots, were the best of us.

[@wc6220]

The Tenerife accident wasn't a runway incursion. The Pan Am crew had been told to enter the runway by atc in the tower. They were confused as to which taxiway exit to turn off at. The KLM crew mistakenly thought that they had been cleared for take-off when infact they had only been given an airways clearance for after take-off. Thirdly the controller could not see the runway due to fog. A classic chain of events that led to disaster .........

[@XaviMacBash]

by definition it was, 2 airplanes on the same runway, one landing/taking off, but ur right it wasnt a textbook runway incursion

[@Giratina575]

There was also a heterodyne that caused the klm crew to miss an important message that the pan am had not cleared the runway

[@warsepticagaming9527]

This seems....familiar

[@catsario7512]

Thanks for the upload even when you’re on vacation!

[@Mochrie99]

Another great video! Thanks so much!

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@shuttle_aero9399]

Good work Friend!

[@TransistorBased]

This is one of those incidents where it's easy to figure out where the blame lies but it's very hard to actually do the finger pointing. With the information presented here, it sounds like she was doing her job to the best of her ability and in the hustle and bustle the little plane just slipped out of mind. Hopefully this was a wake-up call to The LAX overseers that they needed to maintain their equipment better and push harder for hiring.

[@Joostmhw]

ATC: makes a sad, but understandable mistake given lack of safety care by superiors Also ATC: out of a job, not the ones who allowed such a situation to happen though

[@HK_Aviator]

Sounds like the 2024 Haneda Airport Runway Collision

[@grampabadger]

Just remember, this actually happened in 1991.

[@jaki8739]

Thankyou for another great Brakedown

[@lucidityZ]

Thanks again for another excellent video!

[@DisasterBreakdown]

My pleasure!

[@Bigones111]

An interesting tidbit to note: David Koch of the Koch Brothers/Koch Industries was onboard US Air 1493. Koch would never again fly a public airliner after this

[@lh1tmaN]

Thank you for the video.

[@DisasterBreakdown]

You're welcome

[@aliccolo]

I'd love to see you cover the Linate Disaster, another runway incursion.

[@RedDed228]

Sadly at least every one who has died in the past from aviation disasters won't have their lives taken I will vane because especially in the aviation industry we heavily learn from our mistakes to make sure we don't do them again.

[@gordonbergslien30]

I remember this mishap well. Our family had just gotten home from dining out. We turned on the TV and there was live coverage of the accident. I initially mistook the wing of the 737 for the vertical stabilizer of a DC-10. We were all freaked out because, at the time, my brother-in-law was a FE on 10's. RIP to all of the victims.

[@Mochrie99]

Also, the fact that an airport the size of LAX has only 4 runways strikes me as crazy. Granted, I don't know much about the airline industry, if at all, but surely that doesn't sound sufficient for the number of flights in and out of that airport.

[@theatheistmonk4385]

London Heathrow only has two runways

[@heatdeath5535]

"I admit that I don't know anything about this topic, but here's my opinion anyway"

[@XaviMacBash]

it can be slightly more dangerous but london heathrow only has 2 and they've never* had a fatal runway incursion incident *as far as im aware, there might've been an incident that i dont know about

[@localmenace3043]

@@heatdeath5535 Better honest and wrong than confidently wrong.

[@LeolaGlamour]

@@theatheistmonk4385 Wow did not know that.

[@lizpurr8402]

USAir used to be literally the only airline we flew in my family. Flew them tons of times as a UM, and flight attendants were always so sweet and kind to me- and to all passengers really. I always felt so safe on their planes. I think they were mostly MD-80s and B727s with the occasional DC-9 in there a few times. God Bless and keep the precious memory of victims of this crash and their families. RIP ❤️🙏

[@vincesbardella3838]

Liz: I thank you in behalf of my former employer, USAir, originally Allegheny Airlines, and which later became US Airways, now in control at American Airlines, as a result of the 2016 merger.. I retired in 1993, as an MD-80 captain. Ironically, Captain Colin Shaw, who died in this tragedy, flew his first trip as a USAir copilot, with me in the BAC 1-11 , in the late 70s. Not only was he a very competent and thoroughly efficient pilot, but a very pleasant person with whom to spend three days in the cockpit. May he RIP.

[@robertshotzberger]

I need clearance, Clarence.

[@Bobshouse]

Every time I flew out of LA for Santa Maria we would taxi out to the runway and I'd look out the window and see the landing lights of 3 or 4 planes coming in for a landing and always worried about something like this happening.

[@HaesslichG]

I wonder if there were any similarities to the Haneda crash a few days back.

[@86gakusei]

Just found your channel! I've been binging your lineup. Might I suggest looking into the 1986 mid-air collision between Aeromexico 498 and a Piper airplane over LA.

[@SimPilotMika]

This is such a coincidence because I was just thinking about this crash. Because yesterday I discovered that billionaire David Koch was a survivor of that crash!

[@neillp3827]

It would have been good ig he had been, then waco wouldn't have happened

[@MrJohnlennon007]

Evil people tend to survive big incidents.

[@shrimpflea]

Which raises the question, what in the world was a billionaire doing on a US Air flight?

[@SimPilotMika]

@@shrimpflea I know 😂

[@vincent412l7]

SkyWest 5569 sat on the runway while USAir was given landing clearance, on the same frequency. They just sat there quietly and never let anyone know they were there.

[@pop5678eye]

This is another set-up-for-failure tragedy. We may point fingers at one person or another but the set up was so risky to begin with that if it didn't happen that day it would just have happened to another two planes soon after. It is similar in nature to the Uberlingen disaster. The system was set up so risky disaster was bound to happen sooner or later.

[@stevetherentguy]

I was on a Northwest flight from MSP that landed minutes after this on runway 24R. I will never forget it. There was still fire. Emergency vehicles everywhere. Very sad and troubling! When we were landing a young girl seated in a row forward of me said "Look mommy, that airplane crashed!" RIP.

[@pauljordan4452]

What's our clearance, Clarence?

[@peteconrad2077]

Runway incursion doesn’t require two aircraft. If a single aircraft enters a runway when it shouldn’t, that’s an incursion.

[@krozareq]

Yep and doesn't even require an aircraft. It can be a vehicle or person entering the protected runway area. Controllers can get hit with a runway incursion too for not maintaining proper aircraft distance.

[@scraggledy]

My uncle worked at LAX at the time, (and does now). He remembers this vividly, though he did not witness the incursion itself. Wild.

[@helenwilliams7065]

Great job, as always!

[@jjameson3035]

Excessive ads. I am Never getting the KZbin premium due to the Beligerant advertising.

[@krozareq]

I use New Pipe (on the phone). Open source YT client

[@kuromyou7969]

Why TF are they running a skeleton crew for such an important job?

[@Eric_Hutton.1980]

I don't know why but this video reminds me of something that my dear late mother said. She said, "the one thing you never wanted to hear your pilot say was oops. Because oops covers just about everything so you don't know it was something major or something minor that happened."

[@bjr4567]

The only one who should have been saying oops in this scenario was the air traffic controller.

[@medicinaemdia4895]

Should I say …. You don’t try cutting corners when it comes to aviation? I’m a doctor and I do my best to avoid making mistakes that will be bad for the client. If you try to do thinks quickly you are always going to make mistakes.

[@stuporspoon]

This background music is giving me palpitations, man. 😂* * I do genuinely enjoy your videos and the effort you put into them.

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Glad you like them!

[@rationalbacon5872]

This makes me so very thankful that the worst thing that could happen to me at work is the photocopy ink toner exploding on me.

[@ToLWaM]

I love your channel

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Thank you, glad you like the content

[@barrierastiss8877]

So many things combined together made this action unfold

[@justlucky8254]

Great videos! I'd like to see diagrams that correspond with the descriptions of runways, taxiways, and other pertinent locations. My slow brain just cant update the map in my head fast enough.😂

[@trumooperdue1320]

3:11 hearing one of my closest cities in videos like this always gives me the creeps

[@SaltExarch]

I always think it's crazy how people talk about the air traffic controller in this disaster versus ATC and pilots in other disasters. Like, don't get me wrong, I do have some sympathy for the controller here, but she WAS the main cause of the incident. She lost track of two aircraft and put them on the same runway. Of course there were other contributing factors like the lack of visibility on the runway and being overworked by management, and definitely those are negative points that should rightfully be addressed, but what's the difference between that and a pilot who caused an air disaster? Yet when it's the pilots who make mistakes, we come down super hard and say "how could a pilot do such a thing?" even when there are equally rational excuses, like somatogravic illusion, fatigue, or genuinely not being trained for the situation their aircraft put them in. Not to mention how, in other disasters, people often say "How could ATC tell them to do that when it wasn't safe?" or "ATC should've never authorized this clearance", and yet when it comes to this disaster SPECIFICALLY, "oh, it's hard to find fault with the controller."

[@chrisarthur3577]

Again, all of these commercials are being interrupted by something called Runway Collision!!

[@staticbuilds7613]

Trying to keep track of where planes where and what they were doing during this video was hard. Can't imagine what she must of felt like doing this and more. This seems more like a badly designed airport with overworked and stressful conditions and -hard to see runways type of problem than the error of a person.

[@EvanEscher]

3:05 is that image from Santa Barbara airport?

[@jamesx4952]

What’s the music that starts at 8:34

[@terezap5756]

I love your show 👍But at the same time I just can’t fly anymore Just too scary 😧

[@paulazemeckis7835]

At least the piano piece was beautiful.

[@pauljordan4452]

Paula: are you related to film director Robert Zemeckis?

[@user-ej2xz3lx2e]

I feel bad for Robyn

[@wSizzli]

I cannot imagine the pasengers on the planes near the collision the horror they felt after seeing that collision. Rest in peace😢

[@neatstuff1988]

Were thes america west pilots?

[@ederss7]

A question for other controllers: from 0 to 10, how bad was her mistake?

[@LeolaGlamour]

Why is Skywest blamed?! Even if they didn’t have lights on, shouldn’t ATC be responsible.

[@Sammydx1]

Would have the small commuter plane be listening to the radio and realize wait.... IM ON THAT RUNWAY !!!

[@pgbrown12084]

Question from a non-expert- Why didn't the Skywest flight crew say something to someone when another plane was cleared to land on the runway they were on? Aren't tower communications open for anyone to hear? Granted, I understand that the crew likely weren't listening to every communication that wasn't directed at them. But a landing clearance on a runway I'm on would have at least caused my ears to perk up a bit. I dunno. I wasn't there.

[@nono-fb8tr]

The whole reason everything got fucked up was because they changed their radio frequency and the ATC and general traffic couldn't get a response from them, part of the reason why they got forgotten.

[@pgbrown12084]

From what I understand from the description starting at 7:00, the controller was distracted by a different flight that had changed frequencies; WW5006. She was still communicating with Skywest because she cleared them to enter the runway and hold. I might be misunderstanding something regarding this incursion.

[@danielhartin7680]

I wondered the exact same thing. Imagine hearing a commercial jet was just cleared to land on the same runway you're waiting on for takeoff clearance.

[@donwald3436]

Why would you ever have an aircraft PARK on a RUNWAY?

[@UPB78]

She probably just forgot they were there thus never clearing them for takeoff. Faulty radars and understaffed ATC terminals will undoubtedly be fatal sooner or later. Even nowadays, with so much more technology, runway incursions and and near collisions are happening at a very high rate, which is terrifying.

[@donwald3436]

@@UPB78 She hadn't forgotten about them while telling them to park.

[@UPB78]

@@donwald3436 She told them to "enter the runway and wait for further instructions", i'm sure her intentions were to clear them for takeoff once WWM5006 responded to her instructions to cross the runway, and that's when she forgot about the Skywest.

[@jamessimms415]

My Guard unit was @ KKMC in Saudi Arabia getting ready for Desert Storm when I heard abt this over AFN radio.

[@sd70m2man]

How did you simulate the crash with the model of the metro?

[@sd70m2man]

Like where did you ge tit

[@whoever6458]

Collisions are likely in the car just trying to drive into that airport complex but it's hard to get a good international flight from any of the many other airports in Southern California. Every time I left the US by air, I started flying out of LAX even though there are at least two airports within a half hour of my house that are called international airports. Even for flight inside the country, I have always had to go to the airport that is further away even though there's one in the same valley where I live and close enough that I could technically ride my bike there.

[@SteveBueche1027]

Unfortunately, most airports didn’t buy more land around them for expansion.

[@redpillfreedom6692]

And LAX ultimately can't expand because it's surrounded by suburbs on three sides and the Pacific ocean to the west. There is literally no room.

[@Ricky40369]

The lawyers, and I grew up with one of them, are the only winners. Pathetic beings.

[@kylewilford]

Excellent video. Just subscribed

[@sonic23233]

I know people who worked for USAir and I was never told about this

[@peggy7079]

I 💜 this channel 🏅🏅🏅

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Thanks

[@starrystarrynight9822]

This was not anywhere near being entirely Robin Wascher's fault. Watch the Mayday season 9 episode 4 on this crash and look at all the changes that LAX made after this accident including fixing the radar system they had previously been notified was not working, building another tower no less than 16 stories higher to improve visibility and other changes. Imo this accident was MUCH more the fault of LAX than Wascher's.

[@jamest2401]

LAX may be one of the largest and busiest airports in the world, but from a passenger/traveler perspective it’s also one of the suckiest. I hate flying in & out of LAX. If I can avoid it, and choose Burbank, in the Valley; or Ontario, in the Inland Empire, then I’ll pay extra for them, respective to my destination.

[@Zyphera]

This is what you get from greed.

[@billsmith3493]

Just seeing this video. I don't agree it was an incursion in spirit or fact. Both aircraft were given permission to be where they were and were doing what they were told. An incursion in my mind and by definition indicates an invasion which would be without permission. Furthermore, I don't see collision possibility having anything to do with an incursion by dictionary definition. If the controller says stop short of runway XX and you don't, that is an incursion, even if the only other aircraft is 50 miles away still waiting for Jimmy to fix it up and fly it out. There is another video for that. And I looked up the FAA definition it agrees with me: Any occurrence at an aerodrome involving the incorrect presence of an aircraft, vehicle or person on the protected area of a surface designated for the landing and take off of aircraft.

[@aaa-zz5tj]

will you ever put captions back onto your video?

[@DisasterBreakdown]

What do you mean by captions? If you could elaborate :)

[@aaa-zz5tj]

@@DisasterBreakdown like text describing what is happening in the video or facts etc

[@rrknl5187]

I'm mostly deaf so I always use the CCs. They worked fine for this video.

[@Sashazur]

I turned on KZbin captions for this video and they are working fine.

[@SlavaUkraini85]

what about ground radar?

[@Rombbb]

2:07 there is not 1 international airport in the US in the "modern day" right ? I mean, I'm a layman but no way. On a sidenote, anybody know the name of the music at 6:09 , it's so soothing :-)

[@bigmaclexa]

"The only international airport in the USA in the modern day, which is a hub for all major US airlines."

[@Rombbb]

@@bigmaclexa still makes zero sense. Or it's just formuluted very poorly if it's meant to say an intl airport Ánd a hub for all airlines, but even that doesn't make sense because there are more of those. LA isn't even the busiest. That whole sentence is just confusing as a ....

[@bigmaclexa]

@@Rombbb Yes. It's trying to say that LAX is the only international airport which is also a hub for all major US airlines. Of course there are other international airports. None of those is a hub for all major US airlines, though, apart from LAX.

[@Rombbb]

@@bigmaclexa Thanks, understood !

[@madchocolettechip2397]

"it is the only intl airport of the us in the modern day which is a hub for all major airlines" NOPE absolutely not there is many intl airports in the us and some of the biggest are New York JFK or Atlanta H-J both making an enormous amont of traffic. I'm pretty sure those are sheltering some big airlines there too. (excuse my bad english)

[@LeolaGlamour]

Atlanta def has hubs but it’s not a hub for all major airlines? I could be wrong but I think that’s true. It is a delta hub for sure.

[@arpsichord7474]

I'm sorry what? Atlanta isn't a united hub. New York isn't an Alaska hub.

[@beylonjames394]

I like how when he was referencing to to ren Faye he said the da of the dance of 540 people

[@terezap5756]

I love your channel 👍 But I am to scare to fly anymore 😥😥😥

[@violagentsch]

Its the 4th time I hear an airport is the busiest in the world. Wich one is it? The one in China? Norway? LA? Cuba? ........??????

[@dontspikemydrink9382]

... one of the busiest.

[@violagentsch]

@@dontspikemydrink9382 right