Russian-Georgian conflict explained (Abkhazia & South Ossetia)

The 2008 Russo-Georgian war was an incredibly important event that shaped the geopolitics of the Caucasus region and Europe. The war began as a regional escalation in Georgia's separatist region of South Ossetia, but quickly evolved into a full-blown war with Russia and Abkhazia, Georgia's other separatist region. In the aftermath, Russia temporarily occupied parts of Georgia while Moscow also recognised South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent states. Today, only four other UN member states do the same.
The story behind the Russian Georgian conflict is very complicated and has only become more relevant as the war between Russia and Ukraine continues. Georgians, Abkhazians, Ossetians and Russians have a deeply intertwined, complex and often tragic history - from the early Middle Ages to the chaos of the 1990s.
In this video, we explore the origins of this conflict and try to answer three questions: Who are the actors involved? Why did they fight? And how does the geopolitical conflict between Russia and the Western world influence this issue?
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Time stamps:
0:00 Introduction
0:50 Broad history
4:20 Soviet period
5:07 After independence
9:15 2008 war
11:29 Situation today
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Main Sources:
Thomas de Waal (2019) The Caucasus: An Introduction. Oxford University Press.
Donald Rayfield (2012) Edge of Empires: A History of Georgia. Reaction Books.
John F. Baddeley (1999) The Russian Conquest of the Caucasus. Curzon Press.
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[@PoliticswithPaint]

I hope you enjoyed this video! Please keep in mind that this is only a brief overview of an extremely complex issue. If you want to know more about Russian-Georgian conflict, check out the sources mentioned in the video and in the video description. Thank you for watching! Also, if you enjoy this kind of content, consider supporting me on Patreon ( www.patreon.com/politicswithpaint ) or as a channel member. Have a great day!

[@Trolligi]

do you think an independent unified ossetia (south+north ossetia) can be achieved one day?

[@GwainSagaFanChannel]

​​​@@Trolligiunlikely since those are part of Georgia and are only created due to Russia smuggling in military equipment and personnel to fund a seperatist movement like it did in East-Ukraine. Edit: they are illegitimate funded seperatist movement which have no international support and after Russia lost the war to Ukraine will most likely be annexed by Georgia since they are part of Georgia and Russia wont be able to do anything about it

[@giorgijioshvili9713]

@@Trolligi no

[@Ryong84]

georgia can't join nato due to it's lack of control of it's borders, that's why russia will never anex those 2 regions and leave them in a limbo state

[@absentmindedshirokuma8539]

​​@@Trolligi not even Russia want those regions to be independent because it will encourage other ethnicity especially in caucasus Russia to seek their own independence as well, which would be disaster for Russia. See Chechen war.

[@CruelPeach6]

“to peacefully evade taxes together” gotta be the most eastern european thing

[@happyelephant5384]

The government pretenders it does a good job, we pretend we pay taxes for it, everyone lives short and unhappy life. © The tail of eastern europe

[@ia285]

Georgia is in North West Asia, not Eastern Europe

[@Juan-qu4oj]

@@ia285stfu

[@ertitnoli9538]

@@ia285 Georgia is eastern European country.

[@ia285]

@@ertitnoli9538 how? It's to the east of Turkey. Georgians are genetically closer to Anatolians, Persians and Kurds than they are to Russians and Ukrainians and Greeks. Georgians have been in the Iranian sphere of influence throughout history. The name 'Georgia' itself derives from the Persian 'Gurg' which is 'wolf'. So aside from being Christian in a region that's mostly Muslim, how's Georgia 'European'?

[@KarthikAyyalasomayajula]

Fun fact about Ossetians: Current they have probably the world's most successful neopagan movement. ~30% of North Ossetia follows Assianism, which is a reconstructed version of ancient Scythian mythology. Kinda crazy when you compare it to other neopagan movements which seem quite small in comparision

[@donalddude7568]

Good that they are keeping there Scythian/Aryan heritage alive.

[@BasilicataBall]

finally a fun fact that’s actually fun

[@theunholyburger9338]

80% of Altai people follow Bukhanism

[@Nabium]

I don't know if we can call it neo-pagan, or if it's better to say it's the only people in Europe which didn't fully get converted to an Abrahamic religion and that this religion is an unbroken continuation of paganism which has had a modern restructure and revival.

[@d3thkn1ghtmcgee74]

​@@Nabium that is what neo pagan means. A reconstruction of old beliefs with partial information to work with.

[@tomithy-6253]

I did my dissertation on Abkhazia and South Ossetia and the main difference in structure between the two is that Abkhazia has a somewhat functional democracy and state institutions. South Ossetia on the other hand is little more than a Russian military base ran by the local mafia and with an economy dependent on the black market

[@LionKing-ew9rm]

Wonder if S.Ossetia being a landlocked country with less than 100k people contributes to the situation

[@tomithy-6253]

@@LionKing-ew9rm oh absolutely, South Ossetia is very isolated and may as well be an island with one road major from Russia and some air travel. Add the Caucasus mountains and the militarised Georgian border and it’s easy to see that the South Ossetian state building project was hamstrung from the start. Abkhazia has 4x the population and makes an effort on the diplomatic stage. Although the two are often lumped together for understandable reasons, their realities could not be further apart

[@azorahai7837]

@@LionKing-ew9rm S.Ossetia is something like a Russian version of "Manifest destiny". Invade, kick natives, make land yours. Basically, natives (Georgians) lived in the area for centuries but then Soviets sent immigrants from the north there. After the fall of USSR, Ossetians were no longer a minority in the area and they used this as an excuse to be recognized as independent. Obviously this was infuriating for Georgians who for some ludicrous reason had to basically give up own land to people who settled in the area only recently. Conflicts arose and Russia sent "peacekeepers" who were stationed there as a landmine to Georgia. Georgia triggered this landmine in 2008 and Russia invaded using "Georgia attacked Russians" as an excuse, as well as mandatory "we came to protect women and children from Nazis" agenda. After 2008 native Georgians were kicked out entirely and unsurprisingly native-Russians from N.Ossetia would want to be part of Russia. Who wouldn't want free s**t they stole from someone else, right?

[@afrolitious7930]

​@@azorahai7837 everything you wrote here is nonsense. Georgia is not ethnically homogenous. The natives of South Ossetia, the Ossetians, have LONG hated being in Georgia. It's a conflict that only was quelled when they were all in the Soviet union. Once the union collapsed they declared independence in 1991. Nothing like manifest destiny here. Not everything is Akin to America's genocidal takeover.

[@yendevus1747]

​@@afrolitious7930 Look at this afro-russian jumping in to protect his imperialistic daddy Russia 😂😂😂

[@giorgialadashvili4771]

You completely forgot to mention the senseless Georgian Civil War that heavily exacerbated Georgian war effort and played a key role.

[@MonsterMAXX]

And change of government in 2012

[@jamesbissonette]

It's worth noting that all of these illegal secessions are made available to basically everyone after allowing Kosovo to illegally separate. Interestingly, all these breakaway states are against any UN law or approval (Abkhazia, Kosovo, Donbass, Western Sahara, etc.).

[@finnbulus]

It's James! The famous Patreon! Yo!

[@jamesbissonette]

​@@finnbulus You have good taste in history videos, sir.

[@G.A.C_Preserve]

That's because Russia invade it not actually separatist

[@fritoss3437]

Are you the real James bisonette

[@peterfireflylund]

It boggles the mind that anybody would accord any degree of rights to Serbia.

[@coolgeographyandstuff]

As a Georgian, I can say without question that this is the best video about the conflict I've seen. I grew up next to a bunch of abandoned apartments where refugees from Abkhazia came during the 1991-93 war and the effects are seen all throughout Georgia. Thank you for this great video, you've gained a new loyal sub.

[@FingerPrinces]

Same feeling for this cip from Russia.

[@bruh87877]

კარგად ხარ? ლამის ყველაფერი გამაზა, ისიც არ ახსენა რომ რუსებმა სოხუმი დაბომბეს

[@somestuff7876]

As a Russian, idk if this video is accurate, but it feels accurate tbh. On a personal level, I went to school, in the late 90s, with Abkhazian refugees (in Rostov) that didn't look forward to returning home and didn't care about state of Abkhazia itself, but felt strongly about Georgians. During conflict, I felt that Putin's gang was 100% in the wrong. 2014 put alot in the perspective in comparison... "at least in 2008 there were some nobel reason to hide behind, but it's definitely should have been done through UN. Period". I would say one thing, I didn't expect that people of Georgia would be okay with Russians running from fascist regime and/or from mobilization to Georgia. Massive respect for that.

[@FingerPrinces]

@@somestuff7876 чешка ты навальная, вырусь, как и те что в хохляндии, как и те что свалили. Вы не Русские, и права себя таковыми считать называться так не имеете)

[@lashamelashvili7294]

you are not georgian.

[@SmokeDimi]

I was surprised how balanced and informative this video was. Rare in these times.

[@azanudniy]

Is this a joke? He did not mention Western interference in this story at all. And this is the key point. Saakashvili came to power as a result of a coup organized by the United States. And in April 2008, six months before the war, there was a NATO summit in Bucharest, at which it was announced that Georgia and Ukraine would join NATO. That's what this war was really about. And ethnic conflicts are just an excuse.

[@eduardog3000]

@@azanudniy He doesn't mention that the Rose Revolution which is pretty important to know. But he did mention the NATO summit at 9:04.

[@lovebaltazar4610]

@@azanudniy Sounds like complete bs, there was no US coup, look up "Rose revolution"

[@andromeda8013]

​@@azanudniy и тут ната винавата

[@heyhoe168]

@@andromeda8013 мммм, США еще лет пять потом скулили что РФ должна вернуть американское оружие, захваченное в Грузии.

[@LostInForums]

6:47 "To peacefully evade taxes together" The one thing that brings everyone together.

[@mro9466]

War is disgusting, but Taxes are the true evil.

[@Adriaticus]

Amazing video, usually cant fully sit through 15-20 minute video's but this one was great!

[@LivingIronicallyinEurope]

Ayyyyyyy new video

[@Computment]

No way balkaner spotted 🇮🇲🙋🏻‍♂️

[@Eltar_]

"Politics with Paint" -Austrian guy

[@Kaiserboo1871]

- Funny Mustache Man

[@chalicotheremapping8921]

Hopefully his KZbin channel does well so he doesn’t pursue other interests

[@scrumlife9345]

❤❤❤ thanks been waiting for this

[@srinivasarao4514]

SUPER VIDEO BROTHER NICE KEEP IT UP 👍🏻

[@Kralchen]

Great watch. Reality is always more complex, but you have a talent for presenting it in a digestible and in my opinion fair manner

[@heyamabaza6235]

🤮👎🏻

[@Grey_Pigeon]

Thank you for such a great historic video it helped me a lot to understand what is Georgia and others

[@StateoftheWorld]

FINALLY a new video, so happy to see it man

[@maximsiddy40]

Excellent video, well balanced and straight to the main problems in the region! Thumbs up!

[@Noeffort710]

Very good video going to check out your others actually gave me a sense of unbiased reporting which is so rare nowadays

[@BelkanMadlad]

Would really like a video about the Iran-Iraq War, which would then eventually lead into the Gulf War. I feel like both deserve a video, or maybe even a two-part special.

[@thesovis]

You've made surprisingly good video on this subject (that's rare). Never knew about you channel before; definitely will subscribe! I remember the mess of growing up in 90s Georgia. But for last 20 years it's way better. Wish you 1M subscribers by the end of 2023!

[@PyroNexus22]

Great video! I hope you make more about the Caucasus.

[@doraemon402]

Hey, I must say I enjoyed this video. I found it pretty unbiased and informative, which is usually not the case when it comes to these types of videos. Wish you luck with the channel.

[@peterm.2385]

I hope that we don’t have do wait "some years" for the next video 😉 Great work!

[@PoliticswithPaint]

I hope so, too!

[@Buffalo_Soldier]

ofc Georgia won't send military equipment to Ukraine. That's understandable and to be expected. They are surrounded by bigger and stronger countries and they need their forces in their country.

[@Qartlos]

Nah, we would but our government is corrupt and pro-russian

[@drerri]

That is not the reason. The reason is the georgian government is corrupt to the bone and in russias pocket.

[@Nightshadow3_7]

We do not have much to offer anyway 😂😶

[@pwzone3132]

Probably they learn from their mistakes. But I’m not sure when I see what happens now in Georgia

[@KarthikAyyalasomayajula]

Thank you for covering this! I knew that the Ossetians wanted to be annexed into Russia while the Abhkazians don't, but I never knew that the Abkhazians historically had such bad relations with Russia

[@GwainSagaFanChannel]

Chechnya is another example of a state who does not want to be part of Russia declared independence after fall USSR but later on got annexed back into Russia by military invasion there are quite a lot of independence movements in Russian Caucasus region but they are mostly supressed by Russia like other independence movements in Siberia since Russia does not want to risk granting independence since it fears that means every region would break away from Moscows controll since a lot of Russia currently occupies are modernday colonies who have no autonomy and are dominated by Russian minority

[@user-nl6zv6hz6x]

I was in Abkhazia just a week ago, I will say that Russians are only expected there as tourists and they do not want Russian business to interfere. They are afraid of Georgians and want to be independent.

[@EuropeanAndrew]

Unfortunately they are brainwashed by Russians

[@elseggs6504]

​@@GwainSagaFanChannel Or perhaps they simply dont tolerate seperatism cause thats the norm for every country. Look at America: If Texas was to tell its government to go fuck themselves (3rd time lol), dont you think the Feds would do something about it? Or Mexico with Yucatan. Or Spain with Catalonia. Believe it or not, Russia isnt *that* different

[@MrDididevi]

Also, they historically had good relations with Georgians

[@user-nl6zv6hz6x]

Very accurate video. It was interesting to see.

[@sectorsweep14]

Excellent video, just subscribed , 👍🏻

[@isopropylalcohol2701]

As a georgian i must say your video was very, very accurate representation of georgian history and modern politics, im very impressed. Will follow and support your channel through once you inevitably reach fame 😎

[@apineapple3177]

👍

[@kakhasukhitashvili5617]

რა არის სწორი? საერთოდ არაფერია ნათქვამი რაც რეალურობასთან ახლოსაა. ისიც კი არ არის ნათქვამი რომ რუსეთი ოკუპანტია და ომი დაიწყეს ჩვენს საკუთარ ტერიტორიაზე. რა აფხაზები რის აფხაზები, ესენი არიან აფსუები და აფხაზეთის სახელი აქვთ მიწერილი. აფხაზეთი არის საქართველოს კუთხე როგორც სამეგრელო და ცხოვრობენ აფხაზები. აფსუები არიან ჩამოსახლებული რუსეთის მიერ და სეპარატისტები არიან. რა ურთიერთობები თბება ამას შიგ ხო არ აქვს (ვიდეოს ავტორს). ქვეყანა დაგვატყნეს და ტიპმა ურთიერთობები დათბა და მეგობრობენო რამის თქვა

[@gigachaduneli1121]

რა აღწერა სწორად საერთოდ არაფერი თქვა ოსები რომ თვეები ბომბავდენ ქართულ სოფლებს და პროვოკაციას პროვოკაციაზე აწყობდნენ. ასევე სიტყვა არ უთქვამს რომ 58ე არმია კაი ხნის გაზმადებული იყო შემოჭრისთვის.

[@al1sa920]

@@gigachaduneli1121 so 58th army invaded Ossetia… which was already controlled by Ossetian militia with Russian peacekeepers?

[@gigachaduneli1121]

@@al1sa920 there is no ossetia. Its georgian territory.

[@abkhazec]

As an Abkhazian I wanna say it’s funny how west countries recognized Kosovo, but not Abkhazia. And really funny how Georgia allowed to claim it’s independency from USSR, but the same time Abkhazia wasn’t allowed to do the same from Georgia. Btw Principality of Abkhazia became part of Russian Empire before Kingdom of Georgia

[@gerardpooque7383]

as an abkhazian I wanna say: emm, what? Abkhazian principality was nearly the last one from Caucasus who became a part of Russian empire. Moreover this was only our government who decided to. Our people still fought and gave their lives for indpendence of Abkhazia. While georgians (Kartli-Kakheti, Mingrelian principality etc.) signed treaties with Russian Empire and fought on their side against other caucasians during the whole Caucasian war.

[@abkhazec]

@@gerardpooque7383 it became a part of Russian empire in 1810. The official ruler of Abkhazia agreed to terms, but a lot of people refused. So therefore during war of Caucasus they were sent off from Abkhazia.

[@giorgijioshvili9713]

Lol because majority of Abkhazia didnt want to be independent only the russian backed separatists also kingdom of Georgia stopped existing 1490 you dont even know history so stop spreading your idiotic propaganda

[@georgianballmapping0]

As a Georgian I think you guys deserve independence. I wish more countries recognized you

[@giorgijioshvili9713]

@@georgianballmapping0 As a Georgian i highly disagree with you, and entire country will disagree with you, stop being edgy

[@markdowding5737]

Great video. I feel you provided a very balanced view of the conflict while providing enough historical context to get a deeper understanding of it. Just a little nitpick, you could have also discussed the legality of Abckazia and South Ossetia's declaration of independence and how it would fit in the context of the dissolution of the Soviet Union. One relevant document worth discussing would be the "LAW ON PROCEDURE FOR RESOLVING QUESTIONS CONNECTED WITH A UNION REPUBLIC’S SECESSION FROM THE USSR. APRIL 3, 1990" which apparently gave the right to the autonomous regions within the socialist republics to separately decide their own future in the event of their parent entities deciding to leave the union: ""Article 3. In a Union republic which includes within its structure autonomous republics, autonomous oblasts, or autonomous okrugs, the referendum is held separately for each autonomous formation. The people of autonomous republics and autonomous formations retain the right to decide independently the question of remaining within the USSR or within the seceding Union republic, and also to raise the question of their own state-legal status. In a Union republic on whose territory there are places densely populated by ethnic groups constituting a majority of the population of the locality in question, the results of the voting in these localities are recorded separately when the results of the referendum are being determined."

[@temog3804]

Considering that Georgia declared "restoring" its independence in accordance with the 1921 constitution, this argument would not stand, as there was no Abkhazia or South Ossetia A. Republics back than, which by the way was confirmed by RSFSR when it signed a peace treaty with Georgian Democratic Republic and recognized it as an independent state in 1920 based on the treaty of Moscow, which Russia, unsurprisingly, violated when it invaded several moths later.

[@markdowding5737]

@@temog3804 " Georgia declared "restoring" its independence in accordance with the 1921" I mean, do they even have the legitimacy to do so? They cannot simply disregard the new developments the previous 70 years provided. Also, saying that South Ossetia and Abkhazia did not exist back then is false. South Ossetia even declared its independence from Georgia in 1920, one year before Russia invaded the country and properly established South Ossetia as an autonomous region within Georgia. Regardless of how one might feel toward Russia, I fail to see how the cases of Abkhazia and South Ossetia are substantially different from Kosovo.

[@Dotlb]

@@markdowding5737 It does not matter, even if it was brought to voting in referendum of independence, demographically Georgians were majority in the region at that time, so region would have voted to stay in Georgia. Check the demographic composition of the place in 1990 before the fall of USSR. For the contrast 300 000 Georgians were expelled during the conflict, nowadays there are less than 100k Abkhaz in region (as data its not properly available it is safe to assume that it was lower than), and there is still Georgian population there till today. Short answer, proper independence referendum (without Russia's intervention) would have left the region in Georgia. Also u should consider that these regions were always part of big plan, as they served as ticking time bombs in case USSR fell. These regions would have served, as they do right now to influence post soviet politics in these countries. Why would Abkhazians seek Russian friendship when historically they were the first enemies, due to what Russia did to Circassia, fact is that it was structured that way and than time came Russia used what they planted for 70 years.

[@markdowding5737]

@@Dotlb "Demographically Georgians were the majority in the region at that time" Sure, that was the case for Abckazia but not South Ossetia, where Ossetians constituted 66% of the total population in 1989. Even in Abckazia's case, it's not so clear if the region would have voted to stay in Georgia, as despite Georgians being the majority with 45% of the population, there were other sizable minorities like Armenians and Russians who could have plausibly (and even likely) have voted in the Abckazians side. "Why would Abkhazians seek Russian friendship when historically they were the first enemies, due to what Russia did to Circassia" Things change. Germany tried to completely genocide the Jewish population of Europe and now both Israel and Germany have pretty good relations. I am not saying that Russia is not using these separatist regions for its own geopolitical gains, but then again, everyone does that.

[@Dotlb]

@@markdowding5737 yea maybe u are right and maybe not, we will never know. The fact is that all the legalities and factual points lose meaning here, whole situation was used by Russia for geopolitical points and powers. They would not have allowed a chance for proper peaceful transition from soviet to independent country and they used what they had. Internally on both sides all these warlords and politicians were ex-KGB agents and lot of influence/escalation during this period came from their "Stupid" actions and we got what we got in the end.

[@williamshortfilm5818]

Very good video!

[@Oropher420]

Georgia is basically the Poland of Caucasia.

[@jackhardy3905]

No it's Bosnia

[@iraklimaglakelidze7469]

No, it's more like Serbia.

[@tavarix5893]

I would say caucasians are caucasians 😆

[@simkelacasa]

​@@iraklimaglakelidze7469exactly. We both lost territories because of superpowers interests.

[@thelobbyofhobbies3244]

@@simkelacasa You lost territory because you were committing genocide on unarmed civilians in Bosnia and Kosovo

[@outerspace7391]

13:50 the question here itself is problematic, as there were no plans by either side for an Abhazian annexation, not even proposals. Alania was the only place that asked Russia to integrate it, but that's still hasn't been decided yet and it seems unlikely anyway

[@gigachaduneli1121]

If russia push anexation today, it will definitly escalate situation in georgia, which is last thing russia wants now with its war in ukraine. Last year south ossetia asked to be annexed by russia but russia indirectly told them to f*ck off.

[@a.nameless.monster.]

this is simple actually. if Russia had not started a war, there would have been no war. 😃

[@outerspace7391]

@@a.nameless.monster. yup, that proves once again that if you have childish understanding of geopolitics, you should just give it up from even trying to talk about it in the first place

[@a.nameless.monster.]

@@outerspace7391 tell me also that the situation with the Russian-Ukrainian war is ambiguous.

[@maksgame4159]

​@@a.nameless.monster.But the war in 2008 started with the invasion of georgians in Tskhinvali...

[@superduck4945]

As a georgian myself i found this video quite informative but i belive you should have delved into gamsakhurdia. I am saying this because most people here nowadays belive it all started from him

[@PoliticswithPaint]

I originally had a section on Gamsakhurdia and what happened in Mingrelia but in the end decided to cut because it would have made the video a lot longer and probably too confusing for people who are not deep into Georgian history. But its definitely an important piece of history to look at for people who like to know more in-depth things about Georgia than what my video showed.

[@s_t102]

Gamsakhurdia was a delusional zealot. His insulting statements on Abkhazian ethnicity, while not the only reason, were a major cause why Abkhazian conflict happened.

[@brick647]

@@s_t102 wtf do u mean? it all started by shevardnadze, after they won civil war and replaced government, he instantly stole abkhazias autonomy and declared it as fully part of georgia which is what sparked war between us.

[@s_t102]

Shevy was a true politican unlike him boys, we all gotta admit it. Go see what Gamsakhurdia was saying about Abkhazians in front of the parliament. And if Shevy "stole Autonomy" from them, you probably never heard Gamsakhurdia saying that Adjara's autonomy should've also been ceased.

[@brick647]

@@s_t102 yes ik, none of them were great, but i said main thing of what caused the war

[@vottak5964]

Good thing that you pount out that Kosovo and its recognition by USA is a big problem.

[@duskthunder9274]

How

[@vottak5964]

@@duskthunder9274 by legitimizing Transisria, DPR , LPR and many more.

[@tapikoBlends]

As i understand kosovo it is lke albanians conquered part of serbia ?

[@dylancrooks6548]

@@tapikoBlends no, Albanians were there for a long time. I think that a lot of Albanian migration was in the 20th century though, as part of some Yugoslav policy or something, as migrant workers...maybe? I don't know, but for us, it makes sense to recognize Kosovo. The Serbs were going to commit genocide against them, the Georgians were never doing that to the Abkhaz or Ossetes.

[@zjzr08]

​​@@dylancrooks6548 I'm kinda fine with them just letting them be a UN protectorate basically but the recognition of Kosovo's unilateral indepedence did open a can of worms that countries like Spain with Catalonia or Italy with Sicily or even UK with Scotland didn't want to open IMO...Timor Leste was basically that and Indonesia with them found a solid agreement at the end IMO.

[@VrasterYT]

Cool video also can you make a video about the western Sahara conflict?

[@concept5631]

Good call

[@GwainSagaFanChannel]

In short: Western Sahara and Northern Morroco were a Spanish colony and Morocco a French colony. Morrocco claimed both Spanish colonies since it was prior to European colonization one country. Due to Western Sahara having a very small population only a friction compared to Morocco it was easily out beaten and annexed. Spain also lost a war to Morocco being forced to abandon its Northern African colonies only being left with some port cities in the North of Morocco. Edit: majority of African Union does not recognize Morrocan occupation of Western Sahara while NATO and EU support Morroco especially my country the Netherlands which signed a deal with Morroco (this is quite controversial over here but the deal was a result to better handle Morrocan criminals who left Netherlands to Morroco and were unable to be arrested until the deal that was made which allowed them to be arrested since there is a quite large Morrocan maffia network here since there lives a lot of Morrocan people here who were original work migrants who did not return home)

[@AL-lh2ht]

⁠​⁠@@GwainSagaFanChannel to add another country Mauritania also invaded but lost or Morocco. To make the sustain more convoluted the Western Sahara autonomous government still countries a part of it and mostly exists in a artificially created refuge camp town supplied and kept by the UN. In addition Algeria also supplies and houses people who want autonomy. So this issue is being used as a proxy conflict between nations. Just very slow. Also the population of Moroccan nationals have become much higher then the local Bedouin groups, which also are often semi stateless and travels between nations being nomadic. Making this also slightly funny, the region is basically worthless economically. This whole thing is being done purely for pride, imperialism, and proxy conflicts. Making it even conflict is Morocco is super pro western and was First Nation to have a friendship agreement with the US. Yes Morocco is yeh US’s first friend.

[@AyaanleCabdi-nt4dy]

This is very amazing video and it explain alot concerning georgia and it's hostal geographical spot of the would , the selve independent states in the country go back to the history of region thanks alot

[@johnxina53]

I'm Osetian here and I have to say this video is the best one depicting this conflict. Great work there

[@MishaJanik]

Are you speak Ossetian?

[@Pavelgon4ik]

Not to worry, you will banish russian occupants from your land!

[@insaneclownponies9599]

Are you sure you're Ossetian and not just a russian colonist?

[@johnxina53]

@@insaneclownponies9599 are you sure that's an appropriate question? I couldn't care less what you think I am. Your opinion is kind of irrelevant anyway

[@binskiy2626]

@@insaneclownponies9599 Listen, I propose to transfer power in the United States to native Americans, since the current US government consists of descendants of colonialists, and therefore has no right to participate in state politics. Down with colonialism!

[@IPangkhor]

Damn. Pretty awesome and educational. 🤙🏼

[@azorahai7837]

Very informative and unbiased. 👍

[@heyamabaza6235]

انت مخطىء

[@smaza2]

i've read that another factor in why russia hasn't so far annexed south ossetia is that russia is very keen on having naturally defensible borders because of its long history of being invaded in all directions through the european plain (which is why it wants to expand to occupy as much of it as possible in both siberia and europe) there is a mountain range separating the north caucuses from the south caucuses and if russian territory spills over into the south that leaves it with a border that has to be defended with troops, whereas keeping it as a separatist territory acts more like a buffer state. not sure how accurate this theory is but i can see the logic in it

[@Ocelot835]

I always thought it was more for strategic reasons - if there are still breakaway states that your neighbor doesn't recognize its legally impossible for them to side with your geopolitical rivals (i.e. joining NATO) due to fear of provoking another major conflict. The best they could do is stay neutral and hope that in future the resolution for the frozen dispute would be eventually found by itself, which is still big win for Russian geopolitical interests. It worked fine with Moldova since 90's, same was with Georgia at the time. And only with Ukraine this strategy showed cracks

[@user-nr6mi4xi8k]

@@Ocelot835 Ukraine has no disputed territories. And they did not prevent Turkey from joining NATO (sudden Northern Cyprus).

[@Ocelot835]

@@user-nr6mi4xi8k They have and its called Crimea and Donbass. And Turkey was already part of NATO decades before their invasion of Cyprus

[@user-nr6mi4xi8k]

@@Ocelot835 Ah, Turkey is even more interesting than I expected, heh. In fact, it is clear that the unresolved territorial conflict is just a very convenient lever of pressure, heh.

[@rodjarrow6575]

@smaza2 You have written nonsense, propaganda of lies about Russia based on your ignorance

[@ThePussukka]

superb channel

[@hater9117]

as a georgian myself (Macon county) I dont remember any of this ever happening, is abkasia close to savannah?

[@kelvindavis172]

Considering Abkhazia is in northwest Georgia, it's closer to Atlanta than it is to Savannah. 😉

[@Tryhard_TJ]

I like the addiction of eu4 sound effects but the war declaration one scared me a little because I had the game open and thought I hadn't paused the game.

[@LegaliseFinland]

Good job on this educational and entertaining video, you have gained a new subscriber :)

[@SergyJoe]

That's a surprisingly good summary video! Not just wikipedia facts, but well presented real things in here. Not just "boo-hoo, Russia is bad because it's bad" or "Georgia is bad because it's bad". Things are very complicated. Politics say one thing, in reality people do other things. I'm Russian living in Tbilisi and most of Georgians I met was very nice to me and I adore their culture, history and people as well. I hope in the future we will get along politically and resolve all problems with peace! 🇷🇺❤🇬🇪

[@giorgijioshvili9713]

Yea Russian forces will leave Georgia and we will be friends

[@Nextdesu]

@@giorgijioshvili9713 we dont have forces in Georgia.

[@giorgijioshvili9713]

@@Nextdesu yes you do in Abkhazia and samachablo

[@retineyzer7906]

@@giorgijioshvili9713 It's not part of georgia

[@giorgijioshvili9713]

@@retineyzer7906 it is like it or not

[@unexpected53]

I really loved how you explained this everything in such details great video loved it!

[@recalcitrate1688]

Abkhazians, the word coming from ფხა (fish skeleton), are Georgians. The people you mention as Abkhazians are actually Absuas (Abazgs). The Russians forced them to live in Abkhazia and call them Absuas because of the similarity of their names. South Ossetia is named after the region of Ossetia in the North Caucasus. The two regions were not connected until the construction of a tunnel in the late 1920s. The name of the territory that South Ossetia claims to be is originally Samachablo. The entire occupied territory is the Tskhinvali region, which South Ossetia proclaimed. However, their maps do not even recognize this absurdity.

[@berniko4954]

True, also Abkhazia means "over the side"

[@sashaswan-nq1ov]

Не заговаривай зубы! Надо было аланам и сарматам вас всех выгнать в свое время, а то на рожон залезли, геноциды один за другим устраивают. Людей из себя сделайте, а то мычите только. Осетины вам геноцид столетней давности простили, мирно жили, этот не прощаем! Не хотим с вами в одном государство жить, ну хот давитесь, но проглотите это!

[@Hamsteak]

Agh I hate waiting in Airport lines lol. Lol thanks for adding me to the skit ❤😂

[@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462]

Now the dust has settled I'm sure we can discuss this conflict reasonably and in good faith.

[@tedrash7402]

good joke

[@greengarnish1711]

Yeah right lmao

[@GwainSagaFanChannel]

If Russia only stops funding seperatist movements and stops sending in its own army to support those "independence movements"

[@mnemonicpie]

No, Georgians still dream about becoming NATO polygon

[@John.McMillan]

Yea right. Russia bad, we can never accept Russia isn't the boogey man of Eroupe and acknowledge that Georgia instigated the war

[@JulianPHarri]

This video even gave me tears, honestly. Watching these countryballs switch their emotions so unwillingly just hits me.

[@uazik-kamazik]

Omg read history pls, this video is completely misleading

[@JulianPHarri]

@@uazik-kamazik Um… I'm not saying a single word 'bout history. I wrote 'bout the countryball animations

[@xenstence]

@@uazik-kamazik how?

[@unguidedamateur7744]

1. US-backed coup 2. State support for unhealthy nationalism 3. Military provocations. No, this is not about Georgia in 2008, this is about Ukraine. Interesting fact. Mikheil Saakashvili (President of Georgia) subsequently fled to Ukraine, where he received not the last political positions, including being the mayor of Odessa and an adviser to the president. So many interesting coincidences Good video. Thanks for not being bias towards Russia

[@kxkxsjk2]

Yeah, this video definitely not biased and provided all points of view on these conflicts

[@user-cm1uu6zq3k]

И ещё, они оба под кайфом 😁🤷Совпадение?

[@MarkLee1]

What’s wrong with being biased towards Russia? Russia seems to be the only one actually trying to help all sides of the conflict, unlike USA and nato, which always “helps” by sucking helpless countries dry and leaving them with civil wars and terrorists running around (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, Syria, etc).

[@jokehu7115]

oh boy i sure hope the comments wont burn too much. great video i laughed my ass of with the mongel joke

[@mahamoustafa2286]

A very informative video 👍🏻 but I really wanted to visit Georgia this next week with my family 🤔 do you think that is a good idea ?specially after what happened today in Russia ? I am very worried and concerned for everyone safety

[@gurammarzakulov8516]

it surely is a good place to visit

[@aperson6799]

It is a perfectly safe place for tourists to travel. Russia isn’t going to invade Georgia again as they basically control the government anyway. Just practice typical safety measures and you will have an amazing time

[@rubenhayk5514]

Georgians are kinda buthurt that the whole world just ignore it and forget this war(2008)

[@skp8748]

George soros project failed 😂

[@mnemonicpie]

And why the F the world must remember this war? Its Georgian shitty local issue.

[@kaldunaaa]

Says the Armenian. Your kind should've been extinct by 1915.

[@rubenhayk5514]

@@skp8748 wtf you mean

[@skp8748]

@@rubenhayk5514 open society and colour revolution

[@denisbendyuk2881]

Don't really understand how exactly accepting South Osetia into Russia will destabilize North Caucasus region in Russia and anyhow provoke conflict there. +I really never notice any hate towards each other among those people in the North Caucasus

[@outerspace7391]

There are some dark memories of the past but I can say they're on pretty good terms nowadays

[@XAE_A_Xii]

Ingush people really don’t have good relationship with both Ossetians and Chechens. When Ingush returned from Central Asia after forced immigration, Georgians left the homes that belonged to Ingush people and even left animals and food, whilst Ossetians didn’t , hence animosity between them. Chechens and ingushs have territorial issues , Russia is on the Chechens side. So the only problem maker for Russia in the north Caucasus is probably Ingushetia.

[@entertainment4kids1]

I’m glad you made this video. This war is often mentioned in the summary of precursor events to the current war in Ukraine. It seems like after the Soviets collapsed, history books stop. ‘There were no more wars in Europe.’ Granted this war was very short, but it seems more than a footnote. I am now sympathetic to the South Ossetia, it would make sense to unite North & South & since Georgian government doesn’t seem to treat them right.

[@Marshal_Longarm]

Remember the book "The end of history and the last Man" by Francis Fukuyama?

[@gigagigaa9696]

You can't unite south and north ossetia since there is only one ossetia already and it was never two

[@shayaldwarka7907]

South Ossetia and Abkhazia were just against NATO. NATO encouraged Georgia to take them

[@giorgitavartkiladze4829]

In Georgia, there were tens of Ossetian schools while there was none in North Ossetia, a real homeland of Ossetians. Perhaps more Ossetians live in independent Georgia than in occupied Tskhinvali Region (so called South Ossetia) and they are never discriminated. My best friend is Ossetian. Why do you think Geogian government is or has treated them wrongly? "South Ossetian Autonomous Region" was created by USSR on a land, where there was no any entity like that at all. Untill Russian Anexation it was a land controlled partly by Georgian nobels and partly direclty by the Royal house, like all other parts of Georgia. before the 1990s conflict, Georgians where always in absolute majority in only two cities of Tskhinvali and Akhalgori of "South Ossetia". Thus, as a artifitial entity, created by the Kremlin for control over Georgia, was abolished. Though, Ossetians still live in Georgia without discrimination.

[@giorgitavartkiladze4829]

@@shayaldwarka7907 Have you read any secret files or what? Do not create ideas out of nothing.

[@Xelluse]

The thing about sanding weapon is that Georgia is 3.8m population country in compare to 48m Ukraine and Georgia had 11 times smaller army and is not as militarized as Ukraine was before this war, so sending any kind of military equipment to Ukraine for Georgia literally mean to expose defensive capabilities of itself, all European or NATO countries refused to give Georgia military equipment in exchange if Georgia will send any to Ukraine, US suggested to sell some weaponry to Georgia and it was unaffordable for Georgia, so Georgian government just ignored requisition to send any kind of military support to Ukraine and the second reason also was that Russia may find it as a red line and begin new wars in Georgia and what NATO or EU can do if such scenario will happen is they will finally send some weapons to Georgia in the best case (for context - Russia since from 2022 occupied and holds 3 times more territory, than Georgia is with separatist regions together), so things are too complicated for Georgia to support Ukraine any more, than a humanitarian and a social support (I mean in practical support and not political "blah blah blah"). But Georgia do not interfere with people who are willing to go to Ukraine to fight, but not officially.

[@user-fg2ex4uw7o]

Or maby they prefer to trade with Russia, not support neo-nazi Ukrainian, and dont want to be one of USA lapdogs ?

[@sabapapiashvili]

As a georgian this is one of the most neutral and most information consuming video about this war that i have seen thanks for making this and love your channel !

[@LaplacianDalembertian]

It only shows external side. Inside Georgia, president Gamsahurdia was using "Caucasian Salute", and was building his organization basically on replica of Nazi ideology. He killed tens of thousands. What's even worse is that everybody is hiding that tragedy. He was kicked out of power, good for Georgian people...

[@fal2218]

Yeah, most youtubers just regurgitate american propaganda

[@russianboogeyman544]

And did the georgians made any progress regarding Abkhazia and South-Ossetia? ( I mean negotiations about autonomy).

[@rareism636]

​@@russianboogeyman544naah not yet

[@aperson6799]

@@russianboogeyman544 The Georgian government is basically controlled by Russia now. The Prime Minister is a joke, the President is a joke, and Georgians who make *TONS* of money from Russia do whatever Putin wants. So Russia, as of now, doesn’t need to “annex” or “give independence” to their puppet states (unless they want to send a message to other countries). It’s really sad to watch such beautiful country be abandoned by the west and now just crumble.

[@TheB0a]

So after watching the video only once and by reading some comments, only Abkhazia has real claims to independence since theyve had Abkhazians their since before Georgia? Ill have to watch this again when im more rested but great video. Georgia 🇬🇪 has always interested me

[@gigamosidze8244]

Information regarding Afkhazia is not correct.

[@mro9466]

Very well made video !

[@DaTrainMan]

thank you for making this. i hope one day abkhazia and south ossetia move back with georgia. its my dream

[@Siniy.]

this is actually a good video. but let me tell you. you just showcased a tip of the iceberg

[@PoliticswithPaint]

Indeed, which is why I made the little disclaimer in the pinned comment. Unfortunately, I had to cut a lot of things to get to a bearable video-length.

[@alekoburnadze9057]

One fact worth noting: abkhazians of medieval Georgian political entity of Abkhazia and modern tribes occupying region of Abkhazian are different. Medieval abkhazians were fully integrated Georgian populis, speaking and writing Georgian (testifed by numerous inscriptions on churches), submitting to catholicos (head of georgian church. (Political Unification of Georgia was predecessed by church unification, so its a big deal here)) in Mtsketa, ruled by Georgian royal dynasty (king David 4, one who reunited country, started with Abkhazia as royal domain). However, modern abkhazians are descended from the tribes of Apsu, branch or Alano-cercessians, who settled down from mountains in Georgian region of Abkhazia in the early 18th century.

[@papunajilavdari3072]

That is an absolute bullshit which destroyed the future of both Abkhazian and Georgians. That theory which was developed by P. Ingorokva and then S.Janashia is not taken seriously by any western or even Georgian adequate scholar. "Abkhazian" was a political designation in medieval Georgia which encompassed all the peoples that lived in western Georgia but it is an absolute madness to say that Apsua were not part of that people and settled in Abkhazia later.

[@alekoburnadze9057]

@@papunajilavdari3072 I never said apsus haven't lived in Abkhazia in medieval times. I said they settled down in masses in 16-17th centuries. But here we are, you yourself admit apsus hardly were majority in medieval abkahzia. Because it was dominated by Georgians

[@papunajilavdari3072]

Apsua were not majority in medieval Kingdom of Abkhazia because modern day Abkhazia accounted for 30% of that kingdom. It's capital was Kutaisi so ofcourse Apsua was a minority. However, there is no indication that they were minority on the territory of modern Abkhazia, during medieval times. Plus, Kingdom of Abkhazia stopped existing in 10th century. Buttom line is, its simply unnecessary rethoric which damages both sides.

[@alekoburnadze9057]

@@papunajilavdari3072 I didn't claim more. Thanks for being honest. My whole point was that medieval abkhazians and modern apsus are two different groups and this former naming themselves "Abkhazians" doesn't grant them claim on entirity of the region. Moreover, there is no indication apsuas constituted any majority or played a leading role in the geographical location they now inhabit before outside interference of russian states in early 18-19th centuries. What can be concluded from examination of any historical source is that Georgians were the only leading players in abkahzian politics that naturally rises a question: if apsus were in any sort of presence, how come they dont appear in any decision making or event in history if Abkhazia? I don't think I need to say that wouldn't be the case if apsuas indeed made up majority of the population

[@papunajilavdari3072]

@@alekoburnadze9057 ye that is true, name certainly doesn't validate their claim. Nothing could, because they ethnicly cleansed the whole Georgian Population

[@user-ju8wr6fc9m]

It is not mentioned that when the conflict began because of the Georgian nationalists. During the civil war, some of the nationalists, having lost, fled to Abkhazia and there they took hostage representatives of the Georgian authorities who were negotiating the status of Abkhazia in Georgia. It was at this point that Shevardnadze, wanting to finish off the nationalists, made a mistake and decided to send troops. Although the operation did not involve a military solution to the Abkhaz conflict, but the Georgian troops were then almost better in discipline than the bandit formations of nationalists. The entry of troops was accompanied by conflicts with local Abkhazians. As it turned out, the former diplomat Shevardnadze turned out to have put a match to a powder keg.

[@konstantinpliev1552]

Hello from South Ossetia. This video is one the most unbiased in the KZbin. Thank you!

[@Assmanlicker]

hello brother from Abkhazia

[@giorgijioshvili9713]

You from Georgia? Cool me too

[@konstantinpliev1552]

@@giorgijioshvili9713 No, bro, from South Ossetia

[@giorgijioshvili9713]

@@konstantinpliev1552 Yea that's what i said Georgia

[@konstantinpliev1552]

@@giorgijioshvili9713 ooh, u are from the US, aren't you? state Georgia?

[@kxmapper]

As Russian I'm really happy that you've made this video very accurate and didn't include propaganda. Subscribed, good luck with other videos!

[@valeritemirof5031]

Ты лучше изучи вопрос, а то привыкли западную инфу смотреть. Там по факту вообще все по другому было.

[@DMlTREl]

​@@valeritemirof5031Критикуешь - предлагай

[@PJohann]

@@DMlTREl есть такой канал "туземный совет трудящихся". Там конкретно на эту тему больше чем двухчасовое видео со всеми историческими справками, контекстом, как началось и чем кончилось.

[@user-wk2qb4vg5f]

​​@@valeritemirof5031You cant listen to truth

[@ironfury6007]

where did you get the map just wondering i want to start videos like this as you inspired me to

[@sebastopolis2334]

It’s convenient, hah, to start from the 11th century, in the history of the entire Caucasus, starting from the time of ancient Rome, Abkhazia was called Abazgia or the Abkhazian kingdom and was part of the Roman Empire (as I know, for a short time), if you are interested, read about Dioscuria, Abkhazia occupied the entire the southern Caucasus, and over time it happened that the Abkhazian kingdom became known as the Georgian Khaganate, why I don’t know for sure, you need to look.

[@Shiroya_Rumika]

And yet, the two still using Georgian Healthcare and University If I were Georgia, i would cut the access of Healthcare and University for them

[@romanchannel69]

Important not to make parallel lines between the war in Ukraine and the war in Georgia, these events have different premises and will have different solutions in the future

[@MarvinandErica]

Great video by the way! But the American Ball or whatever it is if you make the white eyes teeth it looks so funny.

[@EaSkateVideo]

I love the DOW sound at 2:33 😂

[@Oxaras]

Georgia was a part of Iran for the longest time more than any other nation they are a part of Iranian heritage. Unfortunately Iranians are judged according to their state of being up today and it seems like everybody is ignoring the ancient Iran and how it was and how It influenced European culture. For example something not Many people don’t know is that knighthood and the first knights were from Irān and the very first time suits of armour was invented in Irān

[@servantofsusa]

Georgians were conquered by the irainians they were not irainian at all they aren't even Indo-European to begin with the ossetians are irainian not Georgians or Armenians

[@servantofsusa]

lie the first armor was created by the sumerians you can clearly see it in stele of vulture's goddamn irainian

[@familygash7500]

*THE WEST:* We firmly believe in the right to self-determination, so The Kosovars have the right to secede from Serbia if they want to! *ALSO THE WEST:* The Abkazians and South Ossetians shall be under Georgian rule, whether they like it or not!

[@YujiroHanmaaaa]

Do you know that Russia wants to annex Abkazians and South Ossetians? Russia doesn't care about independece otherwise Chechnya and Dagistan alongside many russian Regions would be split now. Russia financed pro-russian seperatists in Abkhasia and South Ossetia to have them try to break away from Georgia, they failed, so Russia stepped in.

[@kingcobra8840]

​@@YujiroHanmaaaa just because Russia came to the aid of Abkhazia and south Ossetia doesn't mean they would be hypocritical if they didn't give up some of their ethnic minority territory

[@vladimirr9772]

A rare occasion of an unbiased video involving Russia. Btw, could have mentioned, that Stalin was Georgian.

[@13attr]

and Beria, Ordzhonikidze

[@devmas4]

Балабол, никто не знает кто начал это войну! Американские инструкторы которые готовили и обучали Грузинскую армию, месяцами готовили армию к вторжению в Осетию, в течении нескольких дней бомбили. Но все же не понятно кто же начал войну!? Сложно понять.

[@EduardSturua]

Ох русня сидите и развивайте свою страну не лезте в чужие дела, насмотрелись зомбоящика и думаете что всё знаете.

[@andrey_sviridov]

​@@EduardSturuaусраинца не просили открывать ротик.

[@EduardSturua]

@@andrey_sviridov Я грузин

[@alexbayer2365]

@@EduardSturua не вините простых Россиян. У нас одна Вера. Просто нам нужен демократический лидер. Большинство Путина не поддерживает. Мира Вам.

[@EduardSturua]

@@alexbayer2365 70% население россии поддерживают путина и я не виню простых россиян я понимаю какого это когда тебя бьёт полицейский.

[@necto7327]

Кстати в 1990х годах грузинские националисты вместе с президентом Гамсухардией окружили аварские сëла на границе с Дагестаном, входе стычек несколько человек было убито, все люди были депортированы в Дагестан со своих мест, насколько я знаю у грузин были ещё стычки с чеченцами исторически проживающими в Грузии

[@Chechen_voice]

С чеченцами не было. В 90х Чечня и Грузия имели хорошие отношение.

[@necto7327]

@@Chechen_voice знаю что это было на уровне глав государств Гамсухардия-Джохар, но в простом народе что угодно могло происходить. А так насколько я помню выходцы из грузинских чеченцев нелестно о грузинах отзывались

[@PurpleChem1st]

@@Chechen_voice Басаев воевал за Абхазию, лол.

[@Chechen_voice]

Я забыл уточнить, что в 90-х в Грузии произошел военный переворот.

[@Chechen_voice]

@@PurpleChem1st знаю

[@rc59191]

I'm ashamed with how the Bush administration left Georgia to fend for itself in 2008. Georgia was there for us in Iraq and Afghanistan and some even died we owe it to them to be there for them in their time of need same goes for Ukraine.

[@Chikanuk]

Yeah bro, lets get this world into WW3 with nuclear weapons, great idea. You are truly 200 iq person. Its always impress me how murrica feel so righteous to stick their noses into every corner across the globe. Especially after results of this actions - literally millions of deaths. And murrica still didnt learn from it, even now, drown in their own problems and filth they try to act like righteous world rulers lol.

[@ari3903]

I appreciate your sentiment, but in politics, loyalty and honour don't always have a place. The US wouldn't benefit from helping us, and that's fine. We aren't sending military equipment to Ukraine despite our warm relations for the same reason. The deaths of soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are the sole responsibility of our government. It was their optimism and foolishness that led to it in the first place.

[@Naerus]

Bush adm only? For sure, if no one feed Ukraine with fake agreements, thath conflict end maximum in 2 months and without any territory loosing for Ukraine

[@aperson6799]

Was it stupid? Yeah, but it’s not hard to see why politicians all across the west decided to not defend a small Caucasian country. Their people most likely would see it as a waste, and countries like Germany wanted short term economic prosperity rather than defending a possibly strategic ally. Letting Georgia fall so easily then letting the same happen to Ukraine *three* times before finally the west stepped in was tragic, but maybe this Russian invasion can end differently…

[@PakBallandSami]

me: how many good video can you make PWP PWP: yes

[@STJukes]

Great video though I think for dates 2010 onwards you should pronounce it "twenty twenty two" not "two thousand and twenty two".

[@leonodonoghueburke4276]

Both are fine

[@jfarmerswatermelon6061]

Just a note term South Ossetia first appeared in 19th century during Russian empire when they created some region (wasn't even half of todays "South ossetia") before it was just known as Shida Kartli P.S I meant Kartli it's shida kartli with modern classification

[@FromTskhinval]

it was always known as Iryston. term "shida kartli" was invented in early 1990s))

[@jfarmerswatermelon6061]

@@FromTskhinval "Shida" and "kvemo" are modern yes my bad i meant to write Kartli :) historically it was Kartli you can check numerous foreign maps. Part of the territory was also known as Samachablo because Macahabeli house ruled it. P.S Modern teritorry of so called South Ossetia is twice bigger than The region Russian empire created because only Georgian populated villages were also added to autonomies region lol Your precious Russian empire had great census of that region you can check the data.

[@romandanilov9830]

@@jfarmerswatermelon6061There are cards with the Ossetian tribes of Kudars and Dvals of the 18th century, but as I understand that it does not correspond to Georgian fairy tales - all is not true?))

[@jfarmerswatermelon6061]

@@romandanilov9830 Census i mentioned was conducted by Russian empire so it's def not a Georgian fairy tale lol also no one denies that they existed on those territories especially Dvals there's numerous Georgian sources about them for ex. "The Georgian Chronicles", Prince Vakhushti Bagrationi even talks about Dvaleti in his geographic works and etc. some Georgian surnames are also related to them for ex. Dvali, Dvalishvili... P.S. If you check maps you can see that Alan-Ossetian tribes lived a bit above and later started to migrate :)

[@adambebb99]

3:31 most competent Austro-Hungarian leader in ww1

[@gameer0037]

Would have missed it without you. thanks lol xD

[@johncarterofmars47]

"Babe, the new Politics with Paint video just dropped!"

[@geobeast1369]

This video was mostly right. Only thing is Ossetian settlement in samachablo startet way later and also you can't kick out majority population and then say you are independent

[@kakhasukhitashvili5617]

სრულად არის ვიდეო აცდენილი რეალობას

[@mnemonicpie]

@@kakhasukhitashvili5617 "This video doesn't fit my victim narrative". I didn't expect Georgians, who always were an important and well respected part of Russia, will jump into quasi-woke narrative about victims and oppressors.

[@bruh87877]

@@kakhasukhitashvili5617 ცვეტში

[@bruh87877]

@@mnemonicpie Victim narrative? Or the narrative supported by HRW in 1993?

[@morzh1978]

The underlying reason is very simple: upon Soviet dissolution some quasi-tribal "XYZ-stans" were granted independence but smaller "-stans" did NOT, with FULL BACKING OF THE WEST (good tribalism vs bad tribalism game), LOL. Kind of "Durand line" versus "Curzon line" / Northern Ireland case. Resulting in Russian Crimea with Turkic Tartar enclave remained entrapped in Ukraine, Turkic Gagausia and Slavonic Transnistria entapped in Romanian Moldova, Turkic Abkhazia + southern half of Ossetia entrapped in Christian Georgia, and Armenian Arzhakh / Nagorny Karabakh entrapped in Turkic Azerbaidjan etc. Resulting in escalated tribal warfare in between of rival tribalists, focused at mutual ethnic cleansings (just like Ukrainian-Polish and Turko-Greek-Armenian massacres). Why would anyone be surprised?

[@gigachaduneli1121]

Neither abkhazian are turkic, nore there is "southern part" of ossetia. Learn something better before writing bullcrap.

[@HellerickCF]

In the Soviet time my mom lived in a town with two diasporas: Georgian and Abkhazian. And everything and everyone was divided between them. A Georgian could not appear on an "Abkhazian" street as it would cause a fight. If a Russian was known to have an Abkhazian friend, all Georgians avoided him and his family. Leaving them alone within a single state would inevitably cause a disaster.

[@anakacharava4159]

You are a liar. I went to Georgian dances with an Abkhaz girl in Sokhumi. At the beginning of the 90s, before the war. If that was the case, as you say, her parents would not have forced her to attend the Georgian dance. 90 percent of Abkhazians have Georgian surnames, they were brainwashed by the Russians, they are actually Georgians. Abkhazia was, is and will be Georgia.

[@HellerickCF]

@@anakacharava4159 I suppose in Sukhumi Georgians and Abkhazians had no choice but coexist somehow. But the Georgia declared independence and that Abkhazians are Ossetians weren't a think. Well you also claim that Abkhazians aren't a think. And that was what started the war. Russians at the time had no idea that they were supposed to brainwash anybody. Like, what for? Having good relations with Georgians apparently seemed much more valuable than with Abkhazians.

[@anakacharava4159]

@@HellerickCF Everything you write is bullshit. Georgians and Abkhazians have been living together for centuries. Before and after the invasion of the Russian Empire in the Caucasus, Abkhazia was always a part of Georgia. Abkhazians are actually Georgians. If we do not count the settlers from the North Caucasus, who appropriated the ethnonym "Abkhaz", more than 90% percent have pure Georgian surnames. Their connection with Georgians is also confirmed genetically. Your attempt to distort the reality will not work. For many years, Russia has encouraged the feud between the Caucasian peoples. He always organizes provocations and renews separatism in the region. In addition to two regional conflicts in Georgia in the 1990s, there was a civil war and riots, which were also inspired by Russia.

[@anakacharava4159]

@@HellerickCF There was a time when all of Western Georgia was called Abkhazia. Historically it was part of the Colchis kingdom. It's funny when you try to ignore these historical facts.

[@vitruvianeli]

Ossetians in Georgia are like Syrians in Germany, Georgia gave them shelter. but then they ethnic cleansed Georgians and stole Georgian lands. If Syrians could do the same in Germany, would you call Dresden area as North Syria? Would you give them autonomy?

[@hekfrosty9966]

I think I know Abkhazia and Georgia so-so well. And I opened this video just to see what these arrogant foreigners think there. However, I was wrong. I would tell this story quite differently, but the video is not bad at all. I will just add: I believe that the formal annexation of Abkhazia to Georgia or Russia is almost impossible. In peaceful way lol. For reasons of the clan structure of the Abkhazian society and rights to land and property (hatred of Georgians is also very strong among many). Abkhazian "nobles" no need any foreign bosses, despite easy money. However, lately. Even the last year and a half. There is a lot of Russian money in resort towns and the capital of Abkhazia. Trendy cafes, rich tourists (previously there were only "Soviet" pensioners there), repairs (!) - all this did not happen even two years ago. All those mowed lawns and freshly painted houses. My lovely Abkhazia is it still you? (and the growing debate: should Russians be allowed to buy land in Abkhazia)

[@IronBlogger]

South Ossetian citizen here. All I want is to live peacefully with my relatives, friends, etc. History of our land is quite complex and unique due to several surcumstances, but all you have to know about us, that we are just a hospitable and kind nation, which honors the traditions of our ancestors(Alans, Sarmats and Scyphians) for many centuries. We don't wanna be involved in war.

[@kubdarienjoyer4798]

Your fault claiming historical kartvelian lands and being a slave of Russia. You have two choices, surrender peacefully, the autonomy won't be touched and stop torturing Georgian people, return the civilians, or go back to Moscow. This is what happens when you let yourself become Russian suka

[@giorgijioshvili9713]

south ossetia doesn't exist its a Georgian land its not my opinion its a fact, and facts don't care about your feelings

[@IronBlogger]

@@giorgijioshvili9713 дӕ фактытӕ дӕ сыжы куы батыссис, уӕд хуыздӕр уаит, донт экзист мӕ хӕрӕджы дымӕг

[@zauuaz2355]

@@IronBlogger You need to see a doctor, a psychiatrist, go to non-occupied Georgia and Georgian doctors will treat you for free, as they treat your compatriots for free.

[@brq_8993]

@@kubdarienjoyer4798 when Ukraine wants to be independent by referendum, USSR didn't say almost nothing. Crimean Republic, DPR, LPR: yeeaah bro we don't want to see you in our lands, go away from here

[@AngryDuck79]

Let's just take a moment to point out how the Mongols seem to ruin everything for everyone all the time.

[@outerspace7391]

Every Eurasian country's history at some point; *but then the Mongol hordes arrived*

[@zjzr08]

The OG British "straight line" troublemakers hehe.

[@reorioOrion]

Good job. You have covered many interesting nuances that are not usually mentioned in the West. At the same time, you did not take the side of one of the parties, highlighting the problem objectively. I can add 1 more fact to your video, which will clarify the causes of the conflict in Georgia: According to the constitution of the USSR, the separation of the republics can take place only during a referendum within these republics. But there is a nuance: autonomous republics must vote separately from the main republics. This means that when holding a referendum on secession from the USSR, Georgia had to hold its own referendum. Abkhazia was supposed to hold its referendum. Ossetia was supposed to hold its own referendum. However, instead, Georgia banned separate referendums in Ossetia and Abkhazia. Thus, Georgia made the annexation of the autonomous republics. I don’t remember what happened in Abkhazia, but for example Ossetia refused to participate in the referendum at all. This event was the beginning of the conflict over the disputed territories.

[@giorgijioshvili9713]

Georgians were majority in Abkhazia

[@reorioOrion]

@@giorgijioshvili9713 quote: As of January 1, 2016, according to the Department of State Statistics of Abkhazia, the population was 243,564 people. Abkhazians remain the most numerous in the country - 124.5 thousand people (more than 51%). The following peoples also make up a significant proportion of the population: Georgians - 43.5 thousand people (almost 18%), Armenians - 41.9 thousand people (more than 17%), Russians - 22.3 thousand people (more than 9%)

[@giorgijioshvili9713]

@@reorioOrion before cleansing of Georgians in 1993 Georgians were the majority

[@reorioOrion]

@@giorgijioshvili9713 It's interesting. Didn't know this. There is no exact data on deportation and migration, but most likely there is a grain of truth in your words.

[@giorgijioshvili9713]

@@reorioOrion its a fact Abkhazia was Georgian majority land until 1993 Geoegian culture was everywhere

[@sandrosxila]

You missed one important detail: in 2012, the Georgian government changed, which greatly impacted Georgian politics.

[@Caucasian_Shepherd]

Georgia did not start in the 11th century, the first Georgian kingdom, Colchis, appeared in the 13th century BC. It consisted of the entire Western Georgia, including Abkhazia. After Arab invasions in the 7th century several kingdoms appeared on the territory of Georgia, including the kingdom of Abkhazia which included entire Western Georgia. It was ruled by Georgian Anchabadze family, Georgian was the official language, and Georgian orthodoxy was the religion. They built Georgian churches with Georgian scripts on the walls in Abkhazia. It was an all-Georgian kingdom. The name itself Abkhazia (Apkhazeti) is Georgian. The Apsua call this region "Apsni". South Ossettia is a nonexistent term that was coined by the Soviet Russia to justify annexation of this region. There has never been Ossettia in South Caucasus. Thus, it is a 100% fake country.

[@Caucasian_Shepherd]

@@JacobDrozh They did in the north Caucasus, it was called Alania. There has never been Ossetia in the South Caucasus. It's always been a Georgian land.

[@kubdarienjoyer4798]

​@@JacobDrozhbro doesn't even know history of ossetians

[@LukaMamukelashvili]

1:05 The Abkhazians you speak of here and current day "Abkhazians" are not the same. the people who inhabited that region in that time were Kartvelians, not Apsua, check out Kingdom of Colchis/Egrisi. Even after ethnic cleansing, 250,000+ Georgians lost their homes and there's hardly 130,000 Apsua present in Abkhazia today, it's been 30 years and they'd still be a minority if those Georgians weren't exiled. (even if they didn't reproduce, at that)

[@tcherkess9695]

Abkhazians were never a georgian ethnicity stop making up stories. You failed to mention that the number of abkhazians is so low in their own homeland due to their exile of more than 80% of the Abkhazians by the Russian empire with the help of their georgian allies in the late 19th century, today more than half a million Abkhazians live in exile in Turkey, Syria and Jordan. Not to mention that Stalin (the georgian) gifted Abkhazia to the georgians who started persecuting the local Abkhazians ever since.

[@LukaMamukelashvili]

@@tcherkess9695 Yeah, cause Egrisi/Colchis was definitely an Abkhazian State, so was Kingdom of Abkhazia, and all the Georgian kings from Abkhazia there were. they definitely didn't speak Georgian and styled themselves as Georgian Kings, Lazica wasn't a Georgian predecessor state to Kingdom of Abkhazia either, and the Ruling dynasties of Duchy of Abkhazia definitely didn't have Georgian surnames like Anchabadze consisting of Abkhaz and Georgian letters. whether you want to accept it or not, your ancestors lived with us and called themselves Georgians as much as Abkhaz, just like Megrelians and Svans call themselves Georgians. You guys and the Abkhaz of the old are not the same, you're brainwashed by Russian seperatism thinking we're somehow your enemy, look at your people now, majority don't even speak Abkhaz as their main language, but Russian, being fully dependent on Russia and thinking you're somehow independent, they're not even giving you the mercy of turning you into a Russian republic and giving you all the benefits, instead you're still stranded in the 90's, cut off from the rest of the world with virtually no progress. not to mention when there's a medical emergency, Abkhaz have to rush to the closest Georgian hospital, when you need Education, you have to either go to Moscow or Tbilisi, is this really the fate you want for your people? it's just sad that you guys think you have more in common with Russians than people you've lived with for centuries.

[@berniko4954]

​@@tcherkess9695Stop mixing circassians with Georgian abkhazians lol, Russia did a genocide on circassia ans their tribes, apsua apsarno went to south and inhabited our abkhazian territory

[@tcherkess9695]

@@berniko4954 The fact that i know that you know you're lying!! The Russian_Caucasian war (in which Georgians stood on the side of Russia against the people of the Caucasus) isn't so long ago, it's not hard to find books from the 19th, 18th, 17th or 16th century and read who exactly were the Abkhaz!!

[@sashaswan-nq1ov]

There is no mention of georgians in history, georgians have no history, georgian history is all doomed by them.

[@unenuggetdepoulet2628]

Can u pls make a video of the yugoslav wars?

[@MightyElo]

Oh thank you for mentioning the 2008 NATO summit. I was not aware of it and did some research. Apparently, the situation of the “west welcoming Ukraine and Georgia into NATO” is a little more complicated. The NATO countries were split. Countries like the USA and Poland, were in favor of welcoming Ukraine, and Georgia into NATO. However, Germany and France were opposed to them joining NATO. And to become a part of NATO all countries must approve.

[@danielsurvivor1372]

Yep, goes to show how ru excuses make no fcking sense, neither nation would ever join nato cuz Germany and France were opposed to it

[@GangBang007]

Germany is a zilch. What the states say they will do

[@MightyElo]

@@GangBang007 oh the states will demand things all they like. However, when it comes to joining NATO, the smallest nation in NATO can block another country from joining NATO. That is when the USA would need to make deals with the nation to get their vote.

[@GangBang007]

@@MightyElo All these statements are made in a vacuum, but in fact these small countries will never do something that the states will not really like. As you can see, fear is much more effective than the union in which the floor of the earth consists.

[@againstviralmisinformation510]

Unfortunately countries can’t change their mind. Countries were divided on whether to have Montenegro as part of NATO too

[@necto7327]

Нужно ещё отметить, что среди большевиков было много грузин, те же самые Сталин, Орджоникидзе, Берия, и они естественно играли в пользу Грузии, опять таки все спорные территории между Грузией и соседями были отданы Грузии

[@necto7327]

Кстати, мало кто знает, но во время Второй Мировой из Абхазии советская власть депортировала всех греков и на их место заселила грузин

[@levan613]

Ti vidumshik, sovri xot pro drugie veshi a ni pro te katorie mojna pakazat na karte durak. Pasmatri gruziu 1918 goda a patom va vremia saiuza i perestan abmanivat ludei.

[@archili1988]

Эти земли еще до СССР были грузинскими, поэтому не надо им приписывать

[@user-mo8zb5vb9n]

@@archili1988 До СССР, это краткий период в 12том веке? Поэтому спустя почти тысячелетие они грузинские?

[@xylo885]

bro what😂 territories were given to georgia?😂 it was taken. about 60% of georgia's territory is lost. in 60% i also mean abkhazia and samachablo which is not controlled by georgia too

[@jubanumidia8460]

There was Abkhazian kingdom before the Georgian one, Abkhazia (witch is an authentic name) is older than Georgia

[@giorgijioshvili9713]

lol it was a Georgian kingdom and united other Georgian kingdoms in 1008 your propaganda is so dumb

[@kubdarienjoyer4798]

Bro learned history in his mom's legs

[@akakigvilava5571]

Where do u get the pot from? Gali?