Ten Metal Albums That the Fans Love to Hate (Judas Priest, Saxon, Riot, etc)

[@jmagowan12]

I would say that "Another perfect day" by Mötorhead divided the fans allot, though I would say its one of the best things they ever realeased.

[@donaldcady3839]

One of my favorite Motorhead albums.

[@scotterbean1278]

Back at the Funny Farm is killer

[@kevinmitchell4018]

I luvvvv that record

[@l.salisbury1253]

I LUV that album...!

[@east97]

I absolutely loved that album. My introduction to Motorhead. I only bought it because of Robbo hahaha & of course Motorhead because one of my favorites quickly.

[@kimjuuljensen]

Turbo was the album that got me in to Judas Priest. And even if it's not their heaviest record I really like that album 🤘😊🤘 Hail to the Priest 🤘🤘🤘

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers! 🤘

[@unclejackluminous1470]

I effin LOVE Turbo! Every friggin song Perfect.

[@durrrrl3435]

Yeah, I like that album too, lots of good songs on it! They didn’t “get back on track” with Ram It Down, either, that’s the worst album they ever made!! Painkiller is awesome though!!🤘

[@jeffjackson9679]

I think half of Turbo's issue was bad production. When you hear those songs live (such as on priest...live!), the songs sound a lot better, except "Rock You All Around The World" God I hate that song!

[@heldcomposer]

Turbo is so beautiful!

[@h8sjws735]

I get why Turbo makes the list, but "Out in the Cold" was a killer track, and the album was Different. After Defenders of the Faith, Turbo was just too radical a departure for most Priest fans I knew, it grew on me though, I always had an appreciation for the more commercial sound. Wasn't my fav, but has a place.

[@JackEGee-il9mz]

Turbo is a great album imo. I think it’s just as ‘commercial’ as British Steel but just with synths. In particular, ‘Locked In’ has the greatest Judas Priest guitar solo in my personal opinion

[@loganheroux5733]

Out In The Cold is one of my top 15 Priest tracks of all time… killer

[@tjhooker824]

I’m a dumb millennial so i have no problem with Turbo. I have no context for it so i take the songs at face value

[@Gary-vv5bg]

@@JackEGee-il9mz locked in is so fantastic, def one of the best solos haha, reckless is very catchy as well, imo the only really awful songs on Turbo are Private Property and Parental Guidance

[@seangagnonProvidenceR.I.]

Couldn’t have said it any better . And Out in the Cold is most definitely a great track .

[@crazyking1896]

Saxon are one of my favorite bands ever, probably the most consistent metal band ever. They don't have a bad album in my opinion, I like Destiny for songs like Ride Like The Wind, For Whom The Bells Tolls, Calm Before the Storm, and Red Alert.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

I dig Destiny too. Cheers! 🤘

[@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812]

I like it too. Fans can just be idiots.

[@unclejackluminous1470]

Red Alert is one of my favorite Saxon songs! Destiny grew on me and I LOVE it now! Saxon Will Rule The Galaxy Forever Ride Like The Wind is perfect! Jericho Siren and S.O.S. can't be beat! Saxon can do no wrong... New album in a couple of months.

[@husq48]

Plenty of bad albums; "Crusader", "Rock the Nations", "Forever Free" and "Dogs of War."

[@unclejackluminous1470]

@@husq48 clean out your EARS... Those are ALL MASTERPIECES!!! maybe try another band? I suppose you want a REFUND! Maybe speak with the MANAGER?! -clean out your EARS!

[@themadmattster9647]

I will admit, some of the most hated albums by a few bands are some of my faves.. zero fucks given

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@NWOTHMFullAlbums]

Before watching I was curious to know how many of the albums mentioned here I’ll have to admit liking. I agree Raven, Savatage, Anvil, Accept are not even close to their best, but are not really bad albums. Now about Riot, Black Sabbath, Saxon and Judas, I really like these records. Cold Lake is my pleasure guilty. I can see why people don’t like it, but I think it’s great. Never listened to Canterbury, to be honest. The reviews kept me away.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Yeah, I don't really dislike any of these records, sure Cold Lake wasn't the best choice in direction for the band but it's better than the sellouts of the 90's. :) Which I think we can say about all these records.

[@Cornelius798]

At the time Celtic Frost wanted to jump on the glam metal bandwagon. Like it or not the glam bands at the time were selling albums. In my opinion Cold Lake would of maybe edged to the cusp of selling many albums but Tom's vocals did not fit well with the overall vibe of the album.

[@Fiddling_while_Rome_burns]

Canterbury has been reassessed and is nowadays considered a classic, just way ahead of its time.

[@itkojecockot]

sure, "Eat The Heat" was a bit overproduced, but if you compare it to most glam albums from that era, it surely aged much better than Poison, Bon Jovi, Europe etc.....

[@P.A.T.]

Try Ishmael and To The Devil His Due…great great songs from Canterbury.

[@LeatherRebel75]

"Seventh Star" has definitely seen its profile rise in the ensuing years since it first came out. It has a pretty die-hard set of fans of that particular lineup. I think it's a pretty awesome album for what it is.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Yeah, I don't hate it either. these albums are far better than the albums of the 90s that the fans love to hate. haha Cheers!

[@strawhousepig]

Tony Iommi meant it to be a solo album, but the label forced putting the name Black Sabbath on it. So is it even really a Sabbath album? I would pick Technical Ecstasy as a Sabbath album fans love to hate.

[@AgentJotun]

Maybe it's because I've heard all of the early Sabbath too much, but I find myself thinking Seventh Star and Born Again are the two best Sabbath records!

[@THEEArmoredSaint]

@@AgentJotun And, Headless Cross. So much good Sabbath!

[@clintking7377]

Seventh Star...is a great album..Glenn Hughes on vocals..I loved it

[@steamh4mmer264]

Turbo is one of the best Judas Priest Albums

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@toddplummer1187]

Definitely!

[@acdcking1234]

Yup no sarcasm

[@themadmattster9647]

Out In The Cold is a masterpiece

[@saulmartinez2114]

Ha, ha, not for me

[@takodabostwick8507]

Judas Priest's Turbo isn't really that bad! It's pretty solid in my opinion. And Celtic Frost's Colt Lake isn't the worst album ever! There's a ton more worse than that!

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Yeah it has it's moments, but a lot of fans hated it when it came out. :) Yes, it's not about how bad the albums were, this is more albums that disappointed and made fans upset.

[@hmpz36911]

Cold Lake wasn't that different than Pandemonium

[@LouisWinthorpe622]

@@hmpz36911 eh...?

[@asiankaos3861]

I think if cold lake was their first album people would like it but it was just in comparison. Dance sleazy is a great song.

[@david29497]

I really like black sabbaths 80s albums even though direction wise they were all over the place due to linup changes every 5 minutes.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@marcelotigre79]

Songs from Sabbath´s Seventh star: In for the kill, turn to stone, seventh star, Danger zone, heart like a wheel, Angry heart Fans should lisent this album again, for me is a masterpiece of the 80´s

[@NuckyArch18]

I didn’t like it when it came out. I’ll give it another listen.

[@jonowens460]

This album Roxxx; saw it live in 86; always dug it...

[@lewiscarty5517]

I personally like Seventh Star and Turbo, I think they are fantastic albums, and personally are great in their own ways. I know that St. Anger and Risk are probably the most obvious, but if I have to choose Iron Maiden, I think it’s a toss up between a few of them, but I choose The Final Frontier, because I have seen many people put hate on that album, and I didn’t like the album at first, but the more I listened to it, the album has grown on me quite a lot, and I don’t think it’s bad as many other people say.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Yeah, I don't dislike these albums that much, sure they were disappointments when they came out, yeah albums of the 90's is so much easier to find, there weren't as many complete failures in the 80's. Cheers!

[@johncampbell3806]

I agree I like Seventh Star and Turbo is ok I don't hate it. Now Final Frontier I can't listen to. I gave it another try just last week and I think it's awful. The title track is killer and regrettably the first song do I had to sit for an hour wondering why this album exists. I know people who love the album it's just not for me.

[@jaega4247]

I feel this way about just about every album since Bruce Dickinson's return to the band. I don't hate any of those newer albums, but I guess they just feel kind of bland and very similar to each other in my ears - though there's always one or two songs that stands out enough on each album to make it worth listening to.

[@johncampbell3806]

@@jaega4247 I agree. Now there are moments I like but no album since Bruce's return has been solid all the way through. Book of Souls for me was close.

[@nickp3949]

It’s my favorite of the reunion era and honestly it’s really the only reunion era album that I like. Not a fan of the last two tracks (too dull and uninteresting, like a lot of their post reunion stuff in my opinion), but the rest of the album kicks ass.

[@loganheroux5733]

Priest is one of my favorite bands of all time, and I’ve always loved Turbo. In my top 3 JP albums of all time, catchy and metal at the same time.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@loganheroux5733]

@@RuthlessMetalYT especially when I saw Priest live in September, Turbo Lover was one of their my favorite live tracks they played. The Synth is such a unique sound for that time period and what a catchy song

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

@@loganheroux5733 yeah, but the synths and those basic drums just made some of their fans furious and I can agree that it was a bit too mainstream of a record.

[@jaega4247]

@@RuthlessMetalYT Perhaps I never listened too much to "mainstream" music at the time, since the album doesn't really strike me as such. I can certainly understand why the synths and basic drums doesn't fit the bill for most of the fans though.

[@daninilsen7657]

I remember we loved to complain about Metallica`s self-titled album when it was released. We did like it a bit as well, but I also understand why we were quite frustrated. The quality of the songwriting on the album is slightly overrated, and it lacks a fair amount of the elements a lot of us who grew up with the early Metallica albums fell in love with.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@unclejackluminous1470]

Yeah, like " what the fuck were they THINKING, following up Justice with HORSESHIT

[@durrrrl3435]

@@unclejackluminous1470 You can thank Bob Rock for that!

[@petrilampela]

@@durrrrl3435 Bob Rock didn't write the songs lol. Metallica had already decided to switch direction to a more simple and radio-friendly stuff and they thought Bob Rock was the right guy to produce. And he did some great decisions as a producer, for example Sad But True would not be half as heavy if Rock hadn't slowed it down and suggested to tune the guitars to D. I hated that album when it came out because I had just fell in love with the techincal and progressive style they had on Justice. But to blame Bob Rock for the change is ridiculous.

[@b.l.fisher8230]

Me & all my friends loved Metallica, after that shit we were all done with them. All of us...

[@markboyd1696]

This list is so spot on and the commentary is so objective...wonderful! You included some albums (i.e. Canterbury) that I never see on these lists.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@JackEGee-il9mz]

Hearing you talk about Destiny makes me hopeful for a Saxon ranking soon…. would be awesome!

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

It's not in the plans for right now, but during 2022 I should be able to deliver. ;) Cheers!

[@unclejackluminous1470]

Saxon Rules the Galaxy Forever

[@deantodd8103]

"Breaking The Law" and "You've Got Another Thing Coming" were radio friendly, with catchy hooks. But they were still pretty heavy. Not Priest's absolute heaviest, by any means, but still pretty good. "Turbo Lover," in contrast, made me want to cry, it was so non-metallic.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Yeah, Turbo took things ever a step furter into the mainstream. Cheers!

[@brooksrownd2275]

Turbo suffered from over-production, but the songs are good even tho some are more "mainstream". I love the live album from that tour, and Turbo Lover is one of my favorite Priest songs.

[@deantodd8103]

@@brooksrownd2275 I had the live album! Everything sounded better live, I'll grant you that.

[@jdg6336]

yeah turbo lover was dreadful. i was like ugh. pass hard

[@alexanderferus7816]

Agreed

[@arturslunga3415]

Great video and channel. Your analyses are always spot on. Also I like the video format, no filler just content. Subbed.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Thanks boss, I'll do my best. Welcome and Cheers!

[@edgaragent0077]

Turbo is actually a really good album! The B-side is great some of the songs on the A-side is not as great but I stil love the album!

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@KhukuriGod]

Didn't like Turbo that much as a teen but always enjoyed the title track, Out in the Cold, and Restless. The others were meh.

[@gregoryrau3894]

I love "Strength Of Steel". It's actually one of my favorite Anvil releases. I think they managed to pull off the more rock oriented songs, and they still had some killer tracks like "Paper General", "Flight Of The Bumblebeast", "I Dreamed It Was The End Of The World", and the title track. In my opinion, Anvil does have a couple of "not great" releases, but "Strength Of Steel" is not one of them. I'm glad to hear someone else liked it too.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Yeah, Anvil was never my favourite band, they often kinda released middle of the road records, early on groundbreaking for sure but mid 80s and forward it was kinda a standard thing.Cheers!

[@daveyboyd784]

Lmao... I clearly remember being completely dumbfounded upon seeing that "Cherry Orchards" video for the first time. My brain was short circuiting as it struggled to connect the sounds and images emanating from the television with the fact that this was indeed Celtic Frost on the screen rather than the video just being some clever prank which had been thrown together to mess with the fans. Seeing those striped drumsticks twirling every 5 seconds and hearing Tom G Warrior croak out the chorus for that song left a scar on my mind which still hasn't managed to fully heal to this day. That was definitely one of the most impactful "what the fck" moments I can recall from that era, lol. 🤯🤮😆😅😂

[@noneyadamnbusiness33]

Cherry orchards was the first song I ever heard by Celtic frost... definitely a what the fuck moment when the second song I heard by them was circle of the tyrant's.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@richardcrook2112]

The problem with these albums was in the days of vinyl, to skip an unbearable song - you had to get the needle out of the groove and then be something of a marksman to get it in the right place for the next good song. I don't think I ever heard the beginning of Black Sabbath's Turn To Stone for that reason!

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@l.jamesbarlow3137]

I replaced all my cassettes with CD's. Now I have replaced all my CD's with vinyl. You think it was bad back in the day skipping a song the sound quality more than makes up for it. Today's hassle, and it really isn't because once again the quality of the vinyl experience over-rides any inconvenience, is that a large percentage of records that used to be 1 disc are now 2. So you have to flip the record twice and change the record. They make the grooves twice as wide and are able to fit more info than ever now in the groove. The Black album 30th Anniversary re-release sounds incredible. Pearl Jam "10" Redux is insane and every Pantera album on vinyl is the best you'll ever hear them sound. The first time you drop the needle on Cowboys From Hell & Dimebag rips in with that riff and Phil screams Ooooohhh Come on!! You will never want to listen to a CD again. The sound of a logarithm recreating a musical sound with a digital approximation is an abomination. It is not the sounds of a real world instrument. Just a a digitally encoded imposter spliced together thousands of times every second. Vinyl truly represents the music as it was meant to be heard. Besides live, vinyl is the only legitimate medium. Just MHO. I want people to understand what they are missing. Love that my stereo and vinyl don't offer to sell me things or spy on me. Every song is just our secret. I now pass the conch sorry if I bogarted a bit :)

[@richardcrook2112]

@@l.jamesbarlow3137 That's really interesting, you must have a very good turntable. I'm forever stuck on CDs though, my record player didn't sound that good back in the day. I actually found it in a skip and fixed it - the drive belt had fallen off. I remember The Legacy by Testament sounding particularly bad. I'll never forget the sound of my first CD player, I was a lifer from that point onwards.

[@dietersmit6639]

I think Turbo has it's own unique place in their discography. Just like Point of entry or Jugulator or Nostradamus has. It shows their range and eagerness to experiment. I agree though with what you say of Ram it, very underrated but in my top 10 of Priest's albums.

[@TheMoribund666]

I was so shocked you liked Saxon's Destiny - I thought I was alone! The band was shockingly good at making some catchy hits, personally I found it more gripping than their heavier material because the songs didn't all sound the same. Underrated album for sure!

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Saxon always delivers!

[@husq48]

What sounded the same? I absolutely despised this album when it came out! I remember when I first put it on the turntable, "Ride Like the Wind?" I thought that was an odd song for Saxon to cover, but ok, next...then "I Can't Wait Anymore" came on and I thought, "no way, this can't be Saxon!" So I opened up the album to double check, and yep, there was Biff and the boyz looking like drag queens! 🤢🤮 I threw the album out and never gave them a second look til "Lionheart" came out. Surprised again, this time pleasantly!

[@MetalPilgrim]

Funny enough SO MANY people said that they actually love Turbo when we talked about it :) Guess it's Love or Hate :)

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

hehe, yeah. Seems like it. Cheers!

[@weemt07biker74]

I'm a massive Priest fan, been into them since 1980, I loved this when it came out.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@andrettski8686]

Jim, you are like a mind reader, this list is so spot on. And I think you could do a series of vids on this topic. So many bands have done those 1-3 records where their fans are just going 'WTF' were you thinking?

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

I had a hard time thinking of 10 albums, especially from the 80's, it's way easier with the 90's. So many duds during that decade. :) Cheers!

[@LadyFairChildVideo]

Honorable Mentions: Slayer- Diabolus in Musica Judas Priest- Jugulator Deicide- InsinerateHymn Venom- Possessed . Calm before the Storm Black Sabbath- Born Again Kiss (not metal, but somewhat)- Music from the Elder, Dynasty, Unmasked i persoanlly love all the above albums.

[@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812]

Born Again would have been unbeatable with a better sound production. I still give it 7/10

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

yeah in the 90's almost every metal band put out some stinkers. Cheers!

[@LadyFairChildVideo]

@@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812 i know alot of people that aboslutely hate Born Again, they call it Purple Sabbath.

[@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812]

@@LadyFairChildVideo yeah well some people are stupid as hell and extremely close minded.

[@maofas]

No way, Born Again was a fantastic album. Worst album cover yes, but great album.

[@gavinrabinowitz1255]

Personally I really like Turbo and don't think it deserves to be in this list . I understand some people have issues with it but the album grows on you . 7th star is also not too bad. Out of all the bands on this list the only one I really think is a disgrace is Cold Lake . What a joke of an album . Great video !

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Yeah. not all fans agree but I think Turbo has been singled out as their weak point back when it came out.

[@anjaevers848]

Saxon - Rock the Nation. This album I have. Concert was great. Biff Byford is brillant! 👍 🤘Destiny was a great album.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Yeah I dig it too, but some fans don't like the mainstream direction they took. Cheers! 🤘

[@unclejackluminous1470]

It was only temporary. Saxon Rules the Galaxy Forever

[@dailycrittersinmyyard4849]

I was wondering if Discharge were metal enough to make the list with Grave New World…guess not.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

I didn't think of them but Grave New World is a horrible album. haha Cheers!

[@Klatt09]

Except for this album Discharge is more 'metal' than most metal bands

[@avelinosilvadias]

Ssshhh your meant to keep that quiet 😉

[@morebeer7673]

I love Cold Lake. I bought it the day it came out. Yeah, the image was awful, but the songs were terrific. A heavy metal, Hold-My-Beer moment, where two guys at a bar ask, what if an extreme metal band did one of these popular hair metal albums? So Tom and Martin answered the question, lol. The one bad thing was Tony Platt's production, which was flat and lifeless. The follow-up, Vanity/Nemesis, was a more fully realized version of what they were attempting, but without the tongue-in-cheek imagery.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

It was a bit too soft for me personally. To Mega Therion is just so much better. :) Cheers!

[@ryanritchey3574]

Unpopular opinion: Pyromania is a good album, hysteria isn’t but Rocket is a good song

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@Menieres4Life]

Sabbath’s Seventh Star was and still is a killer album. It’s just way more melodic due to Tony’s bluesier guitar playing and Glenn Hughes vocals. This album has so much heart put into it. I think you need to revisit it and crank it loud.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

I dig it, it was just that a lot of fans of black sabbath didn't. Cheers!

[@jaega4247]

Turbo was actually the one album that got me into metal in the first place, and though I know it's not much liked by other Priest fans, it definitely still has a very special place in my heart to this day. Guess I'm just a sucker for the metal + synth combination. I'm not sure what makes the album sound too "mainstream" though. To me, British Steel is the one that stands out as the most "Radio-friendly", to the point where I actually got sick at hearing it playing at every channel out there.

[@jaega4247]

I'd like to add that Judas Priest has remained as my favorite band to this day very much due to the fact that they've changed their style - if ever so slightly - with just about every album released. Turbo is a very good example of this, even if I can understand why it's not liked by everyone.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Yeah it's one of their best selling albums if not the best. Cheers!

[@khelatar]

Dio's "Strange Highways" could also be on the list... "Cold Lake" kind of sounds like Celtic Frost doing a cover album, with a really odd choice of covers. They liked to experiment, but went about it the wrong way that time. Cf. Voivod's "Nothingface"; they took a risk in dropping most of their thrashy sound on that album, but they kept their... well, Voivod-ness intact -- and the fans loved it.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Sure, I kept it to 80's metal albums, otherwise it would have been too easy.

[@_zoinks2554]

Cold Lake. It had been quite rare for many years. Tom even delisted it from the "official" discography for a time. I had to buy a copy to complete my CF collection, also for the lolz. I rage sold my original pressing back in '89. RM, you summed it up well. I will add that Tom did it for the money. Unfortunately for him this destroyed CF for over a decade. A far cry from Hellhammer indeed.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

yeah that makes sense. Those hair metal records sold well back then. Cheers!

[@mikekrause3671]

i beleive he also did it under the influence of his short lived marriage to a certain woman who wanted him to go in that direction. love talks.

[@red_rogue73]

All the glam fans I knew hated it even more than CF fans did.

[@ericcampbell6370]

I never learned to like Turbo or Ram It Down either. I thought Destiny was good for the most part. The Saxon album that I hate is Innocence Is No Excuse. I actually love Seventh Star. I still play it pretty often. It's not really Black Sabbath but I like every single song and Glenn Hughes did an awesome job. The only Sabbath that I hate is Forbidden. As for Cold Lake, it was definitely a misfire. It could have been an interesting aberration if they'd gone all the way with it. The album fails on multiple levels. Celtic Frost seemed practically infallible prior to that. Oops!

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@Hy-jg8ow]

I think Forbidden is underrated.

[@Ratt2004]

1st Raven CD I ever purchased was the Pack is Back, surprisingly, I still listen to it, as it has some good tracks on it. Same with Restless Breed, among my Top 10 albums. Seventh Star, Destiny, Eat the Heat, & Fight for the Rock all have a good track or 2 on them each. Turbo had 1 good track, Out in the Cold...doesn't help when the album art looked like a hand giving a HoJo to Go.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@alvinn.5659]

Canterbury is a great album, never comprehended.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

alittle soft though.

[@thedddemon]

Another excellent video! I think I've watched everything on your channel. Keep up the good work! :)

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Damn, that's awesome! Cheers buddy!

[@archangelofcoffee922]

Morbid Angel "Iluvdivininamansanus". Worst metal album EVER. Nuff said.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@dominikweber4305]

I think the title already says enough

[@Hexxecutioner]

I'd take Turbo over Demolition any day of the week. I have Turbo on cassette and LP, while Demolition remains the only JP studio album I've never bothered to collect.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

I would too. :) gotta love some 80's cheese. Cheers!

[@vinaymulukutla358]

I have a copy of Celtic Frost’s Cold Lake. It is a rare, out of print album that was very controversial so there was a thrill in owning such an album. As for the album itself though, I can see why a lot of fans revolted at it and how Tom G. Warrior disowns it. The album is nothing special.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@morebeer7673]

I have it on cassette and CD. Bought it the day it was released, Great album that pissed everyone off, lol.

[@veeopehareparrt7986]

The thing about Cold Lake that makes me give it only a 3 (on a scale of 0 to 10) is two many riffs sound alike in many of the songs, and I REALLY DESPISE Ollie Amberg's guitar playing, it's totally not in tune with any of the songs, loud and noisy, and honestly didn't make it any more metal sounding! I do, however, like They Were Eagles, Cherry Orchards and Juices Like Wine, all in a row too on the album!! :)

[@DokkenSabbath]

I genuinely like all these albums (except maybe The Pack Is Back). I like when bands change their style or lineups, as long as the songwriting is still great. I listen to music with an open mind. Admittedly I was born in the 90's, so I didn't experience when these albums came out, so I had no expectations. I listen to these albums for what they are. Nothing wrong with an experiment as long as it pays off. I also LOVE Glam/Pop Metal/AOR/Melodic Metal/Rock, so commerciality doesn't bother me as long as it's not cringy, like Quiet Riot's QR III album or Raven's Hyperactive off of The Pack Is Back. Just my two cents.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@TheNothing6]

"I'm your turbo lover, better run for cover." 🤣 😂

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Run forest Run!

[@ronaldclayton8347]

I've always wondered what the hell happened to Judas priest between Defenders of the faith and turbo.In two years time the went from making one of the best heavy metal albums ever made to an album that's total crap,it was so bad I've never even listened to ram it down.Painkiller has a few good songs but still doesn't compare to British steel, screaming for vengeance or DOTF.The only album I listened to and liked that came out after DOTF was jugulator and that was a great album but Judas priests greatest years ended sometime in 1985 before turbo came out.

[@mybluguitar6051]

There's actually a fascinating story about what happened. Long story short, Judas Priest got fucked over by the record company. Turbo was their tenth album and they wanted to do something special for the 10th album. At that point, they realized they had two different types of fanbases: one fanbase loving the commercial side (British Steele and Point of Entry) and another fanbase loving the speed metal side (Screaming for Vengeance and Defenders of the Faith). They wanted to initially make a double album called Twin Turbos where the first half would be commercial (Turbo based songs) and the second half to be speed metal (Ram it Down based songs). The studio would not let them and made them release two albums back to back. Not only that, but the studios forced them to make sure the albums were full length. So if it sounds like both Turbo and Ram it Down have songs that were written in a half assed way, it's because they were. They were contractually obligated to do so.

[@1chiTheKiller]

Listen to Ram It Down but skip Johnny B Goode. That song is awful. The rest of the album is like half Defenders Of The Faith, half Painkiller. It's awesome.

[@Joybuzzard]

Seventh Star is an example of when you need to make a decision and not try to go 2 ways at once. Iommi recorded it as a solo album, the label wanted a Sabbath album, but they compromised and went both ways at once, calling it a Black Sabbath album with 'featuring Tony Iommi' and having his picture on the cover, like you would with a solo album. They should have had different art and no 'featuring' since WTF does that even mean when he's the only continuous member?

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Yeah, there were some weird decisions made that hurt the band a bit. It was like it was black sabbath but not worthy of the tag black sabbath. strange.

[@ezioauditore7427]

That Anvil album is pretty good and unlike many people my favorite song on Turbo Lover is Reckless.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Mr. Assassins Creed! ;) Cheers!

[@paulburrows7908]

"Seventh Star" should of been a Tony Iommi solo album in my opinion. Still got the cassette copy. "Turbo" was my first Priest concert of many, and my second least favorite album.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Yeah it was intended to be a solo album but the label said no. ;) Cheers!

[@joaobabler1584]

Judas Priest - Turbo IS GREAT, Songs/Guitars/Vocals All Awesome

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

but those synths and the drumming is kinda basic. Cheers!

[@wcnmvp3820]

I don't care what anyone says, Turbo is a top 5 Priest album for me

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers! 🤘

[@alannovatolozza]

Next ranking: "albums Hate to Love"... Like Metallica "black album", etc... ;)

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

hehe albums that people are ashamed for liking. ;) Cheers!

[@sensualandu]

seventh star's deluxe edition is more important. 2nd CD involve Ray Gillan's great live. but now very difficult to buy this deluxe edition. what a shame... RIP Ray~

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers! RIP

[@paulburrows7908]

Yeah because Ray was selfish and screwed over his band mates in Badlands for his actions. So all the record labels stripped them of all royalties, and album releases with Ray's name on it. That's most likely why it's so hard to find rare albums.

[@sensualandu]

@@paulburrows7908 great information. Thx 😄

[@ryanjacobson2508]

It's never been officially confirmed, but rumor has it that the women Gillen infected all have families who sued the record labels that released anything with Gillen performing. So basically the record labels would have to pay royalties to the families, or gain permission from the families, if they were to sell anything with Gillen on it. The labels have chosen to just avoid re-releasing anything with Gillen on it.

[@ryanjacobson2508]

@@paulburrows7908 The royalties went to the victim's families, right? I don't know if it ever was officially confirmed but that's a strong possibility and also explains why no label will re-release any Gillen stuff. They don't want to pay the families more money or get sued by them again.

[@geoffhynoski6951]

Based on the timeframe you restricted it to it's a pretty good list. I like how it defines albums based on the response to them not necessarily their quality. I wonder sometimes if people read the video titles before commenting. The list was albums fans love to hate people!

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

You're the first one that noticed the timeframe, haha. Most other comments were about me not including some 90s Metallica album or such. Yeah, it's not me hating on any of these records, I think most of them are tolerable. Cheers!

[@highonsleep4219]

Turbo is one of my favorite priest records. Private property is a killer song, fun to sing along to.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@edwardkodai1319]

I did like Eat the heat and Seventh star. They were good in their own right. Not in anyway holding up to previous or subsequent records but still in my opinion totally listenable.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

absolutely. Cheers!

[@conspiracionesy]

Judas Priest (Point of Entry which I think is a masterpiece, and Turbo very different sounding but I like it very much)

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers! 🤘

[@MichaelWH]

I like Point of Entry

[@MichaelWH]

No "Stained Class" though :)

[@FutebolNaMente]

we're missing those 2, 3 videos per week 😆🤣 cheers 🇧🇷 nice content, by the way

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

It's impossible to post that often for me and have a working healthy life. So 1-2 times a week is enough for right now. :) Cheers!

[@atena1632]

Turbo ? I like " Out in the Cold" and title track.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@user-jy3lz4km9i]

The biggest album of Heavy Metal is : ANVIL- FORGET IN FIRE. Greetings from Bulgaria!

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@tjcaruthers5593]

The vocal melody for Turbo Lover is so fucking catchy. Yes the synths are a bit up front and center and the rest of the album isnt that good. I do think Turbo Lover is better than Living After Midnight and You Got Another Thing Coming. Next.....

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of any of those songs. :)

[@jaega4247]

Agreed. Living after midnight may actually be my least favorite Priest song, even if it's just because it's been played to pieces by all the radio rock channels out there.

[@tjcaruthers5593]

@@jaega4247 I mean if its advertised as a song from a pioneering metal band I would expect a metal song not a darling of FM rock radio for the past few decades.

[@simpleanswer8954]

@@tjcaruthers5593 Still a bunch of this moronic "Metal isn't on the radio" stuff, huh? Guess we better tell Metallica they were'nt ever metal, because I hear their old stuff all the time on my local station. Black Sabbath? Screw those guys. You can't be metal AND get radio play. Radio automatically means not metal.

[@tjcaruthers5593]

@@simpleanswer8954 whoa calm down. Never said metal was not on the radio. But with Priest the radio stations will play Living After Midnight before Painkiller. In the 80s FM radio shied away from the heavier Priest songs hell heavier songs from any band. Metallica wasnt a staple to rock radio until the Black Album unless there was a radio show dedicated to the heavier faster more underground music.

[@jordyzelaya1459]

Turbo is a great album.I saw them twice on that tour,couldn't disagree with you more.Good videos,really enjoy them.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

But a lot of fans disliked it due to the use of keyboards. So there is really nothing to disagree with since it's facts. :) Cheers!

[@ralphrucker1021]

For me THE disappointment is Face the Heat.after 5 killer albums like Restless and Wild, Balls to the Wall and Metal Heart. Actually I loved some of the albums in your list when they were released in the 80ies. But I hated me to love them 🙃

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@ryanjacobson2508]

I thought Metal Heart was pretty weak. Even the title track has a chorus that sounds just awkward and out of place. With Balls to the Wall they were poised to be almost as big as Maiden or Priest, but they seemed to start running out of ideas in 1985.

[@kkwok9]

Nice job You present the content very direct. Appreciate it, appreciate the tact. Most of us would be saying things like "this band sucks, this album sucks, this is cr@p..."; you know, original generic insults. Much respects to you and your channel. God Bless

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Thank you Sir. Cheers!

[@Avalk9724]

Cold Lake is a quite good album if you just listen to it and forget it's CF's. But I understand the hatred.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@Lazze376]

Nr 1 is a slam dunk it’s an Atrocity that Never should have been imo. As Always great content, brother. Regards Countmeister

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@ronnywilson2112]

"Cold Lake" is way better than the ones from Anvil, Accept, and Saxon. You forget to put Iron Maiden's "No Prayer for the Dying", Tygers of Pan Tang "The Wreck-Age", Venom's "Temples of Ice" or "The Waste Lands".

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Yeah, I skipped the 90's and maybe I'll do a part 2 some day. Cheers!

[@MichaelWH]

Those 2 Venom albums were bad :(

[@outis439-A]

Those Venom albums weren’t bad.

[@Billssock]

If I were to start a metal podcast, I would want someone with your knowledge as a host. I have to admit, you surprised me!

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

I did have one a long time ago. :) But nobody listened. haha Cheers!

[@tommyisnot1]

I always loved turbo

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@johnpeace971]

Rhett Forrester is what made me pay attention to Riot. Restless Breed and Born in America are great, and I don't give a shit about anything they did before that

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@johnnypairoux4356]

Raven had to change their sound thanks to their American signing and those business-idiots who wanted them to be more radio-friendly Saxon..I like Destiny more than their covers-album. And Turbo I prefer over Point of Entry or Ram it down. I think that almost every band that lasts so many years are having at least one bad album except Metal Church, they never disappointed me

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Hail Metal Church! Cheers!

[@Questformetal]

Good picks I know turbo gets a lot of hate which is why it’s in this video but I still enjoy it a lot. Great video 🍺

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Yeah, the generic drums and keyboards aside, the album is alright. Turbo Lover I can't stand but the rest is alright. haha

[@l8631]

Thanks for the video. I don't hate Cold Lake nearly as much as the Internet at large, for what it is, it's a decent enough record. Just a shame it had Celtic Frost slapped on it, that's the biggest offence I suppose. In a perfect universe it would have been a Warrior solo album prehaps.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

yeah that would have made more sense. Cheers! 🤘

[@themadmattster9647]

The worst thing are the vocals and the live versions of old songs on that tour were abominations

[@l8631]

@@themadmattster9647 I wasn't alive when cold lake released so I didn't know that was a thing, neither did much research for any bonus tracks if that's a thing.

[@morebeer7673]

@@l8631 He's probably talking about the live at Hammersmith video they released from this tour. For the set, they "Cold-Laked" the older songs and it didn't really sound that great. Tom's guitar was buried in the mix and all you could really hear was Oliver playing everything way too fast, lol. Stephen was actually a damned good drummer as shown on the follow-up album, and Kurt was a great guitarist and writer (he played bass on Cold Lake).

[@Jermeister12]

As far as Riot "Restless Breed" I love it 😀.Always have always will . 😀I love Born in America also.😀

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@barryslayer6224]

I go with you. But Turbo in my opinion is a great album and I like more than the nearly boring following ones...even their overrated Painkiller would come much later in my JP playlist 😉

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

oh no. ;O Cheers!

[@jarunia17]

It isn't overrated. It's actually rated perfectly - as a classic masterpiece😅 The title track is overrated however, and vastly overplayed.

[@barryslayer6224]

Of course someone who says, that this is a masterpiece, also says, that it's not overrated 😂 I do not think so, but this is ok 😉

[@Diabolik771]

I think I'll get a Turbo T-shirt just to piss people off. I never had an issue with this album. Priest wasn't afraid to take chances. They all sound awesome on this record. Next...

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Do it, get one for me too. ;) Cheers!

[@maurobertolone5198]

It's interesting that St Anger replaced Load as hated, when it was simply plain unimaginable . And Metallica managed somehow to almost pull off an even more hated with Lulu. Made you think that Load was "miss hated" , it didn't deserve as much and that It's got some rock or melodic art value in it . But it's amazing this string of albums , how you can change , perception , with time passing .

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Yeah, they keep sinking lower and lower. Cheers!

[@LouisWinthorpe622]

Metallica have had their 3 strikes and now they are 'out', as far as I'm concerned. I don't expect them to release another good album, ever again. Best to look for good music elsewhere.

[@themadmattster9647]

If you watch the DVD that came with ST Anger, it’s the last time i even saw Lars trying to put any real energy or passion into the drums.. controversial take I know

[@SMEDSRUDmusic]

@@LouisWinthorpe622 You dont like metal? Metallicas Hardwired …. Has some freaking Great songs. Hardwired, atlas rise, Moth into flame and the epic thrash metal song « Spit out the bone» epic masterpiece ! I really dont Know Why people loves to hate metallica , its trendy i Know. I have been a fan since the demo «no life til leather» and was the firs in my country that got kill em all in 83. My favourite period is 83-89. Best albums and really untoucheable live , black album is a good heavy metal album, and way more fast and heavy that many other bands in the metalland. Load and reload i really hated for 15 years but OMG some epic heavy tunes There, «blending me» , «outlaw thorn» «fixxer» , Yes more melodi and hard rock inspaiered, St.Anger was Also h skap in the face with the sound and the drums. Actually i have seen them live 2019 when playing frantic and St. Anger. It was fucking Brutal to listen to St. Anger live , brutal in a good metal way. Check it out here on YT. Death magnetic is a decent metal album, with thrash tunes, but loudnesswar killes it. But a really Great bunch of songs thar are more than good. The last album just beeing better and better, best after justice. Just the song « Spit out the bone» justifies the last ten years 😊😊 Lars drumming was a little off from 2000-2019 but IMO good enough, didnt ruined the songs at all for me. Now 2021, he s fucking back almost, drumming really good, and tight. Metallica will forever be the best metal band of all time, they Can play thrash metal, speed metal, heavy metal, heavy rock, punk , hard rock, rock, blues, jazz, all the cover songs they have done we all Can agree to that. Saxon ,iron maiden, etc cant play thrash , iron maiden is not IMO a really metal band more hard rock. Slayer for an example couldnt play remeber tomorrow by maiden. Tom Araya, EVER had the voice. Love Slayer, priest etc, but i really dont Know Why the biggest, best and most sucessfull metal band of all time metallica gets so much hate? Yes i was sad when i heard. Nothing Else matters on the radio, i was 24 years old, suddenly «my band» was mainstream. I could not care less nowdays. Even black metal is mainstream now at least in my country. 👍👍😊😊 cheers mate 👍🤘🤘

[@Menieres4Life]

Metallica started dying with AJFA and completed the task with the Black Album, that’s when they became parodies of themselves and Commerciatallica was born. 🖕them.

[@wesleywarsmith1113]

I love Heavy metal and love Judas Priest but I have no problem with TURBO. It's a great album and I sing the songs all the time. All of their first 8 records had a distinct sound and this one was still Rokkin to me. I see why SOME of the fans don't like it. But to me I love it. And so do most of the woman Priest fans. When I saw them live on the Epitaph tour and they played Turbo lover all the woman In the audience went crazy screaming and dancing.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@dingdong6069]

'Forbidden' is far more hated than 'Seventh Star' as far as Sabbath albums go. Most fans know it was supposed to be an Iommi solo effort so it gets cut some slack.

[@anthonyrivers1619]

I still swear by Cross Purposes!

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

yes, but this was albums from the 80's. it was more common for bands to fail in the 90s and 2000s.

[@dingdong6069]

@@RuthlessMetalYT Hmmmmm... er.... ok... I missed the '80's only' rule that isn't in the vid's title! Haha!

[@CannibaLouiST]

St Anger was ahead of its time. People back then had no idea what "trolling" is.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

true!

[@MrScatalog]

Cold Lake deserves a modern listen.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers! ❄️

[@Nick-qf7vt]

Major kudos for including Riot! Idk why people hated Restless Breed so much. It's a fantastic album! Yeah it isn't Fire Down Under, but very, very few albums are.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

True! Cheers!

[@frankwells7520]

Dunno what happened in 1986, but a lot of heavy metal bands released unconvincing hard rock oriented albums looking for a commercial appeal: "Turbo", "Rock the nations", "Fight for the rock", "Fighting the world", and "Stronger than ever".

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

yeah, there was a big shift in 1986, thrash metal became huge that year and the old heavy metal bands all more or less went in that melodic commercial direction. I guess it was the labels that saw that cash could be made if the bands changed their sound.

[@rockfyre3095]

Yep. Headbangers Ball was a treasure trove of bands that were new to me. And then I get introduced to Celtic Frost with a video called Cherry Orchards....

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@SaintMartins]

1. When a band loses their original singer & hires a new singer, just break up. You're a cover band now. 2. Never mind the music, the Raven album cover alone was embarrassing for their fans. 3. Judas Priest using synthesizers on Turbo was blasphemy to Metal.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

1. Depends, Tony Iommi was Black Sabbath, not Ozzy. ;) 2. True 3. Kinda, Turbo ain't a disaster though. ;) Cheers!

[@the_lichemaster]

I'm surprised Iron Maidens X Factor isn't mentioned. Poor Blaze gets a lot of unwarranted hate. Not his fault Bruce left. A lot of unappreciated tracks on that album (far far better than Virtual XI - Angel and the Gambler still gives me nightmares).

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

These were albums of the 80's it would have been to easy doing 90's albums and beyond.

[@brendanpatterson3929]

I still remember my absolute disgust when I saw Cold Lake!!!! It was heartbreaking to say the least. Turbo is definitely a disappointment to but there were always new bands coming out with good stuff thank God!!!!!

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@elimalinsky7069]

The style change from Defenders of the Faith to Turbo wasn't nearly as jarring as that of Into The Pandemonium to Cold Lake. It was like two different bands playing two different genres only with the same vocalist or something. The decision to go that route baffles me to this day. The closest abrupt style change to this I can think of off the top of my head is when Corrosion of Conformity went from blistering 200 BPM crossover thrash to droning 60 BPM sludge metal.

[@andersclausnielsen7736]

Udo was not "fired", Where do you have that from? :-D He decided to go solo. ( On his forst solo album "Animal House" Accept were even co-writers. )

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

From Udo himself: blabbermouth.herokuapp.com/news/udo-dirkschneider-i-never-left-accept-they-fired-me/

[@JayTyrus]

I love the thumbnail, I knew right away what #1 was going to be! "Hurt me soooo good, dance on my wounded chest...gimme a 1000 kises"lol. Turbo at #2 yeah not a fan of that commercial flop....but at least it has "Reckless, "Turbo Lover", and" Out in the Cold"...& coming right after imo JP's best album "DOTF" made it even worse for Turbo. However, I despise "Point of Entry" much more despite "Desert Plains", & the sing along anthem of "Heading out to the Highway". The rest of the album felt more like a bunch of filler material. Don't agree? go listen to "You Say Yes" a few times lol.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Yeah, I don't hate on these albums but people weren't happy with 'em. :) Gotta enjoy some 80's cheese from time to time. :) Cheers!

[@morebeer7673]

Psst, it's "Kill me with a thousand kisses", but I know what you mean, lol. Still love it though.

[@garyserdoz6915]

Agree with all except Restless Breed. Different direction, but that album definitely rocks. As does Born In America!

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@nexusvideo]

I really liked Turbo Lover. I don't care it had a mainstream sound. I also listen to some mainstream music.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Yeah, more people than I expected has defended Turbo in the comments. :) Cheers!

[@vesalampinen]

Celtic Frost's "Cold Lake" is rather rare sight in record stores these days. Since Tom G. Warrior hates the album so much it hasn't been remastered at all. I finally found my copy (used 1988 vinyl) about three months ago. The group photo in the back cover looks hilarious but somewhat misleading. The band had nothing to do with Poison. 🙂

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

hehe, no but I think they wanted to be more of a darker and heavier glam metal band there for a while or something. Cheers!

[@adammesic]

Black, Diabolus in musica, Pink bubble go ape, Virtual XI, Fly on the wall, St. Anger,

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Yes

[@dercomandante3362]

The biggest disappointment in these days was the loss of GUY SPERANZA (R. I. P.) : I've read in a metal magazine (Rock Hard or Aardshok) that Guy was getting tired of the music business, so that he decided to quit his job as vocalist and work as a vermin exterminator. One of the most fascinating voices EVER in HM history was gone!! I was so frustrated, sad and angry at the same time. Rhett Forrester was imo a mediocre singer and so "Restless Bleed" was a mediocre album.

[@dercomandante3362]

*Restless Breed

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Yeah the reality for most bands, hard to make ends meet. Cheers!

[@conanthebarbarian7853]

I can't believe there are those defending Turbo? Turbo lover? Ram it Down is just an extension of Turbo Lover, Painkiller was a good album, It was Judas saying " were not pussies we can still rock this shit".

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@enriquevp77]

I really like a lot some of these albums, like Accept's "Eat the Heat" which is their best album in my opinion, is bold, immediate, hard rock without filters. About RIOT's "Restless Breed" and "Born In America" I think both are phenomenal albums and Rhett Forrester is an incredible singer, the album's art covers are amazing, it just happens that those albums are more Hard Rock oriented. Raven's album is also excellent. I think I love all the albums on this video maybe with exception of the Judas and Sabbath albums, all the rest are phenomenal.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@gullscomic]

Cold Lake, ironically is how I found out about Celtic Frost. I had the Doomsday News VHS compilation, and they had the Cherry Orchards video. I dug it! I love Cold Lake.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@larsnilsson3438]

I agree with you, concerning Accept, Eat the heat, no Udo, no Accept, that´s it. Don´t think Seventh star is such a bad album, but call it Black Sabbath, that´s a another story, Totally agree with Turbo, a complete disaster, in my opinion. Judas Priest, the legendary top metal band -. of all time, releasing an album like that, completely unreal to me. 1984, they recorded their best album, Defenders of the faith, with the great lyrics; "Let´s join all forces rule with an iron hand and prove to all the world, metal rules the land" (Heavy duty) Genius! But after that Turbo, totally disaster. Ram it down (1988) and Painkiller (1990) managed to keep up the legend of Judas Priest.

[@RuthlessMetalYT]

Cheers!

[@mattbarbarich3295]

Saxon - Crusader, Accept- Balls to the Wall, Deep Purple- everything after Perfect Strangers, Van Halen- Diver Down 🤮! Yes Canterbury by D.H. broke my heart and bought their demise.😥