RV Show Disaster: Shoddy Builds Enrage at Morongo Expo

Shocked and disappointed with a Forest River 2023 Riverstone Legacy 419RD fifth wheel RV at the Morongo Casino RV Show in Cabazon, CA. This fifth wheel was promoted as having the same MSRP as a Brinkley G4000, but the Riverstone paled in comparison. Despite the high price tag, shocking build quality issues were revealed. Only the Brinkley G4000 stands out as a worthy investment. Don't miss this eye-opening comparison. Check out the Brinkley toy hauler fifth wheel at the end of the video or click the link below to go straight to the Brinkley toy hauler video.
Brinkley G4000 Video
• Unveiling the Ultimate...
Chapters:
00:00 Preview
00:30 Ride to Cabazon
02:40 Beaumont RV Show
04:45 Riverstone Tour
07:03 MSRP Sheet📑
09:00 The FAILS😡
13:10 My Rant!🤬
14:02 Vehicle Specs. Sticker
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#brinkley #toyhauler #brinkleymodelg #BrinkleyG4000 #toyhaulerrv #recreationalvehicle #fifthwheel #forestriverrv

[@rickgriffith1]

To do a comparison to the *Brinkley G-4000 click here:* kzbin.info/www/bejne/npmcgJJjnqeMpNE

[@moorecamping5503]

Even though this video focuses on Gen-Y, there is some good info on how Brinkley puts their units through a rugged road test and how they come up with the best hitch and suspension combination including the use of Sumo springs. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4mamHame5mbpsUsi=J9P0cuqi2Q_K8L6_

[@rickgriffith1]

@@moorecamping5503 Hey Moore Camping. I’ve seen this before and you’re right, it is a good video. Thank you for sharing.👍🏼😎

[@anthonyasmussen8732]

Please, everyone, quit buying these rv's until the manufacturers start building them correctly. I refuse to buy a new one.

[@rickgriffith1]

I’m with you Anthony! The only new rv I would ever consider would come out of a Brinkley factory, but if that doesn’t pan out then it’s pre-covid built only. Thank you for commenting and hopefully subscribing.👍🏼😎

[@angie-xy5sf]

i would not buy Brinkly yet. they just came out

[@rickgriffith1]

@@angie-xy5sf So I should buy from a long standing manufacturer like this one and end up with the kind of quality you just saw in this video? No thank you Angie. I’ll pass on this and find me a Brinkley. Thanks again for watching and commenting.👍🏼😎

[@pierremcculloch9971]

Agree 100%

[@pierremcculloch9971]

How many times do I have to say it… do not buy any RV’S

[@jerrytalley802]

Prices keep going up, quality keeps going down. It’s a shame

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi Jerry. It’s phenomenal what they charge for these RVs only to have to constantly keep patching them up after every outing. Thanks for stopping by. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@digibyteorjustnibble9486]

Because idiots buy them anyway...

[@MicheleHeinyScott]

Did my research in 2018. Bought in February 2020. Bought a 2003 Thor of California Jazz 2770RK with a new roof, for $6000 from original owner. Then, put about $30k into it. Still want to work on suspension next. Probably another $5k. Mine has has lasted 21 years and will probably go another 10 to 20 years. I'll have spent less than $50k. Anything built after 2008 is garbage!!!

[@rickgriffith1]

Oh to be young again Michele. It warms my heart to feel the passion of your words. My wife and I gasp at the prices of RVs and what you get for your money nowadays. There was a time in our 33 years of marriage that we would have taken on the task of remodeling and creating our own customized rv, but now with age and physical limitations we resort to excessive research, a hefty rv inspections budget and a lot of luck and prayer. I hope you subscribe to my channel before you go and check out some of the other RVs that we’ve considered along the way. The Canyon Star video being my favorite. And please come back and update us here on this thread with your progress with a link to a video of your accomplishment. I can’t wait to see it. Safe and happy travels to you.👍🏼😎

[@MicheleHeinyScott]

I hear what you are saying and please know that at 58 it's a challenge. But that's why there are professionals that do the work for you. Look into people like @rvfixerupper to do the work for you.

[@rickgriffith1]

@MicheleHeinyScott You go girl! I’m just barely older than you. I admire your tenacity. Tipping my hat 🎩.👍🏼😎

[@marckruse2181]

This is best quality I have ever seen from them. They must have improved their production a lot. 😂😂😂

[@rickgriffith1]

Now that’s funny🤣! Thanks for stopping by Marc. Please subscribe before you go if you found any value in watching my video. Happy trails.👍🏼😎

[@williammyers5409]

We bought new a 3 axle Forest River toy hauler and right out of the lot the entrance door opened. It was jigged wrong from the factory. The island sink was not even piped into the gray tank,. and therefore, all the sink water just dumped onto the insulation. It had millions of maggots underneath before we finally found the problem. It was over 23 things wrong , but the factory said it was normal wear and tear after 11 months.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi William. I have to ask you if you had the unit inspected prior to purchase?That’s one of the worst stories I’ve heard yet. If not The worst. Unfortunate and disgraceful. We haven’t finalized our rv mode type yet but I’m pretty set on it not being a Forest River or Thor product. Whatever it ends up being it will have an inspection prior to purchase. Not that it’ll make you feel any better but I wonder if an inspector would have even caught that while the unit was brand new still. Certainly after a little usage, but I don’t know if it would have been caught if the unit was never used. Thank you for the heads up and for watching and commenting on my video. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@scottelwood8746]

Why in the world would anyone spend 200 K for a RV. One could take some nice vacations for that.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi Scott. I can’t explain it to you if you’re not into RVing. But my answer would probably be the same if we were talking about boats. Same cost comparison. This unit, poor quality and all is still out of my price range, but they sell all the time to folks who can afford them. One of my favorite sayings when it comes to discussions like this is that just because I can’t afford it doesn’t mean it’s not worth the money. I’ll tell you what I do think is worth $200k that I don’t have is a Newmar Canyon Star toy hauler front engine diesel motorhome. Hopefully you’ll subscribe and see my video of that model and find out what we end up with later this year. Happy travels and thank you for watching and commenting.👍🏼😎

[@johnstephens3638]

Brinkley is probably the ONLY manufacturer I would buy if shopping for a new Trailer.........if you can't afford one, look for a 2018 or older higher end unit. Junk is the norm now.

[@rickgriffith1]

John you’re preaching to the choir brother. At first we were planning on a new Brinkley fifth wheel toy hauler or a two year old class-a Newmar Canyon Star toy hauler. But as time went on and economic swings occurred we have had to lower our purchase number. Now I’m praying that Brinkley comes out with a travel trailer toy hauler which should be considerably more affordable. Or I’m gonna get a five to ten year old diesel pusher and trike trailer. Thanks for stopping by. I hope you subscribed. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@moorecamping5503]

Us as well! Ordering their 3500 TH next week.

[@rickgriffith1]

@@moorecamping5503 Awesome choice!👍🏼😎

[@melissacomer8404]

Purchased a pre-pandemic 2018 Jayco Whitehawk 25FK. It suits the two of us and our 3 doxies. It's not perfect but seems better than most. Everything works and is in great shape. Warned by many to stay away from anything after 2021 no matter who made it.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi Melissa. You did it right. I’m a firm supporter of pre pandemic builds exclusively nowadays. I’m sure you did much better with your purchase than buying new with today’s poor quality builds dominating the rv market. Thank you for stopping by and watching my video and taking the time to comment. If you would be kind enough to subscribe before you go if you found any value in the video, I’d sure appreciate it. Happy travels.👍🏼😎

[@lkj0822g]

As an aside, if you will note, there are two slide-outs (one on each side) on the upper deck. Given the issues with "frame-flex", that rig is going to come apart in a few months of travel. Every video I have seen regarding the frame flex issue had slide outs on the upper deck. Unfortunately, most buyers will walk into that camper and say "Oooh, look at the refrigerator. Oooh, stainless steel appliances. And a dishwasher. King size bed!" and then completely overlook the issues you pointed out concerning build quality.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hello Lee. Well said and I couldn’t agree with you more. When I was preparing for this video I was excited to see the inside for all the happy reasons that folks have about RVs. But once I got inside I realized that this video would end up being more of a public service announcement for RV shoppers. It’s sad that manufacturers and dealers consider this rig ready for purchase. Thank you for stopping by and sharing your thoughts. I hope you subscribe before you go and check out some of my other RV considerations that I’ve recorded. Especially my Canyon Star video. It’s my favorite. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@largemarge1603]

@lk, Staples into particle-board. "Nice decals!"

[@davereynolds259]

Grew up in Elkhart, IN. in and around the RV industry working in many facets from production to management for 15 plus years and exiting after 7 years as warranty/service manager for a major class A motor home manufacture at the time in 1980. Seeing the many disgusting videos recently of the horrible quality and nightmare stories customers are having to deal with is appalling. Only thing I can see that may have changed since the 60's,70's is the units are a little more stylish and their ridiculous prices !!! believe me, I thought I'd seen it all but, absolutely !! nothing has changed.. and the real disgusting part is how many "multi,multi millionaires" the industry has produced. You couldn't beg me to invest into one of these products regardless of the manufacture, they all seem to be the same... The entire industry needs a major major, reckoning.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hello Dave. Thank you for watching my video and especially for commenting. I appreciate your comment more than you can know. It’s honest and qualified and it’s not falling on deaf ears with me. You’ve had wonderful experiences I’m sure along the way with RVs at your disposal. You have to see my predicament. I need an alternative to just not participating and enjoying something I’ve wanted to do for years. The good Lord has given me this day and no promises for tomorrow and I’ve come to realize that I should be making more out of every day given to me and stop waiting for a better time to act. I see no alternative but to do the most research as possible and hire a good inspector when the time comes because I’m going to see this country from an RV’s perspective until someone can offer me a better idea. And please don’t suggest cruising or traveling abroad. Respectfully, 👍🏼😎

[@davereynolds259]

@@rickgriffith1 Thank you for your kind reply. I think you are 100% on target in contracting a reputable inspector in addition, I might suggest having a lawyer review the warranty and contract before sealing any deal especially considering the amount of money were talking about, its called Due Diligence !!! In review of the countless videos being posted I believe, the time has come that consumers demand these companies learn to "Earn Your Business" and if more people followed your approach it can happen. The fact these companies are getting away with treating customers the way they are is just unethical. Good luck in your search.

[@rickgriffith1]

@@davereynolds259 Hello again Dave. Unfortunately, I agree wholeheartedly with what you’ve said. These dealerships and manufacturers are due for a comeuppance. And I do have an attorney in mind for help in the future. Quoting him, he says to treat any relationship with a dealership and the paperwork involved as though you’re preparing for a divorce. It’s sad that things have come to this today, but until there is an acceptable standard set for this industry consumers have to prepare for battle with every purchase consideration. But it shouldn’t be all doom and gloom when it comes to buying an RV. There are the obvious fun considerations and I’ll leave you with that. Thank you again for sharing your views here with me. I hope you subscribe to my channel and see what we end up with when it’s all said and done. Safe travels my friend.👍🏼😎

[@davereynolds259]

@@rickgriffith1 I have and again, good luck.

[@rickgriffith1]

@@davereynolds259 Thank you Dave. Take care.👍🏼😎

[@angie-xy5sf]

brinkly has only been out year or so they not passed the test.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hello again Angie. I know by now I’m probably coming off as a Brinkley fanboy and to a certain degree I’ll admit that I am, but not blindly though. They may not have gotten to the final exam yet, but they’ve aced all of their semesters so far and the only manufacturer worth taking the risk on in my opinion. Thank you for watching my video and taking the time to comment. I hope you subscribe before you go and see some of the other RVs that we’ve considered along the way. The Canyon Star video being my favorite. Happy trails.👍🏼😎

[@kentancock6587]

Have you looked into ATC 5th wheeler toy haulers? It’s an all aluminum build, thus saving that weight for your toys and removing rot and mold issues from wood interior Also the stickers on the exterior said SOLD someone bought that chunk of crap, and MANAGERS SPECIAL, oh it’s special alright..😂😂

[@rickgriffith1]

Hello. I was just singing the praises of ATC to an earlier commenter. Almost verbatim. I just don’t like the open concept and lack of slides. We need our elbow room and a little more warmth in their finishes. But an excellent trailer for sure! Thank you for watching and commenting. It really helps my channel. I hope you subscribe to find out what we end up with. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@ReymundoRodriguez]

Wow thanks for the info

[@rickgriffith1]

It’s my pleasure. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. It really helps out the channel. Safe travels my friend.👍🏼😎

[@dgriffin6074]

I used to camp with a neighbor (now deceased) in an 80s Airstream. It NEVER broke down. I think RV manufacturers are in self destruct mode and have no desire to build real quality and durability.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi DGriffin. I couldn’t agree with you more about rv manufacturers and their lackadaisical approach to improving things. Airstreams are an awesome product and they don’t have a lot of moving parts to have problems with down the road like slides. Although I do need a couple of slides in our camper requirements list. Thank you for stopping by and sharing. I hope you found enough value in my video to subscribe and check out some of my other videos like my favorite, Canyon Star class-a toy hauler. Watch me try and get a 3 wheel Harley-Davidson into the garage. Spoiler alert…it was a fail but I learned plenty. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@billmorrow1401]

I wonder if warren buffet still owns forrest river?

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi Bill. Thank you for stopping by. I hope your visit was worth subscribing to my channel 🤞🏼. I just checked Wikipedia and it shows him as being the current Chairman and CEO of Berkshire Hathaway. Which is the parent company of Forest River. Thanks again for watching and commenting on my video. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@zacharycampbell06]

Any current trailer still being built with the old problematic Schwintek slides can't really be considered "top of the line". There is a reason why many manufacturers are choosing to go away from them.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hello Zachary. I agree with you 100%. You can’t hear my commentary in the video because my voiceover overrode it, but that’s basically exactly what I was saying when the camera was focused on the Schwintek slide mechanism. I understand that the Lippert Slim Rack Slide System is a much better option for slides of that size. I appreciate you taking the time to watch my video and comment on it. I hope you subscribe before you leave if you found any value in your visit with us here today. Thank you in advance and safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@MikeWitzenburg-fb9tn]

We have an older Newmar DutchStar class A. Very solid unit with real oak cabinets. I would never consider buying a new one.

[@rickgriffith1]

I’m with you Mike. If Brinkley comes out with a new, more affordable travel trailer toy hauler we‘ll probably be considering it very seriously with a new truck. I had recently been researching a 20 year old pre-def Country Coach class-a until I found out that my state of California has apparently put a target on that genre of diesel pusher with recent CARB rulings being implemented. If we don’t get the Brinkley then we’re probably looking at a five to ten year old DP with def. Newmar is my favorite def coach. I’m hoping you’ll subscribe to my channel before you leave and check out my Canyon Star video, kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5DOqWeGgs6BhpY where I have an impossible time getting my trike onboard. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@MikeWitzenburg-fb9tn]

Thanks Rick, Yeah my 1st choice was a County Coach but got a good deal on this NewMar. Might think I’m crazy but the next one will be a Newell or Prevost. We are currently at a Rv park miles from our house. Have a good weekend!

[@rickgriffith1]

You do the same my friend.👍🏼😎

[@randykemper9630]

In your search Richard are you looking at structural build also? Riverstone is the only one that has a steel base and constructs it to eliminate flex frame. I'm currently stuck between the Brinkley G4000 and the Riverstone 4513dst. In all fairness, that one on a Managers Special Sale and it was not the one that is compared to a Brinkley G4000

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi Randall. I agree with you about it not being an apples to apples comparison. I even admitted that I was really hoping that one of the Riverstones that were there be a toy hauler, but that didn’t pan out. I had to go with what was in front of me which was a 2023 Riverstone. Up until seeing this unit I was a fan of the brand because of what I’d heard, but I couldn’t get past the fit and finish of this one to even make it worth my while diving further to the bones of the matter. This was my first Riverstone experience and now my last. I only had so much time to invest in what was meant to be a positive video, but I was disappointed with what I witnessed and it turned out as you saw, a public service announcement. I think the dealership was foolish to put this unit in the show, but I guess that didn’t matter since someone bought the unit warts and all. Thank you for spending your time watching and commenting. Good luck with your search. I’m a big fan of the G4000 as I’m sure you guessed if you watched the pinned comment linked video. Come back and let me know what you end up with. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@just.bob.j]

Imagine that wall paper after a few dozen hot showers and that molding after 30 or 40 thousand miles?

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi Bob. Not a pretty picture for sure. Hopefully the person buying it has a plan. They had to see it. Unless they bought it sight unseen and no inspection. I don’t know. Thanks for commenting. Please consider subscribing before you go. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@outdoorslifesurvivecraft5078]

WOW!! That was sad!! In 2021, I bought a Forest River Wildwood for $40k that was in better shape than that. But even at $40,000, I still think they could have done better. I had all the bad trim, the sink leak, the nick in the countertop and a couple other things fixed before I even took it off the lot. The dealer was awesome! It took them a month to get it done, but they made the factory come and fix everything, at no cost to me. Plus, I did a couple upgrades while it was there. As for the quality of these RV's, I know people that build these things. That's why I understand the lack of craftsmanship. They have a pretty good turnover rate and half of them are high all the time. Before I bought mine, I researched dealers for months. I found 3 that I would be willing to buy from. The one closed to me is Bish's RV in Coldwater, Michigan. That's where I bought mine and if I ever buy another, it will be from them again. They did not push anything and actually saved me money. Check out youtube channel Josh the RV Nerd.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hello Outdoorslife Survivecraft. It’s great to hear from someone who did the research and have it pay off with a satisfied purchase. Good dealerships are hard to come by and it’s great to hear that your dealership did right by you. That’s too rare nowadays. We’ve been searching to the point of analysis paralysis, but I’m hopeful that it will pay off by the end of the year with something worth all the aggravation. Fingers firmly crossed 🤞🏼. I hope you subscribe before you go and keep tabs on our progress. Safe and happy travels in your Wildwood.👍🏼😎

[@largemarge1603]

@outdoors, You mention 'building RecreateVehicles'. They are *assembled* from components supplied by low-bid contractors.

[@rickgriffith1]

@@largemarge1603 Thank you for watching, commenting and hopefully subscribing. I really appreciate it. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@mitchellbarnow1709]

Can I have a Date Shake from Hadley’s in Cabazon? I grew up on those, vanilla shake with lots of small pieces of dates!

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi Mitchell. I’ve never had a Hadley’s shake yet. I don’t swear very often, but when I do it for a Shields Date Shake…lol…see what I did there?😂 Thanks for stopping by and commenting. Safe travels my friend. Don’t forget to subscribe before you go.👍🏼😎

[@mitchellbarnow1709]

@@rickgriffith1 I’m now a subscriber with notifications turned on!

[@rickgriffith1]

@@mitchellbarnow1709 Hey Mitchell thank you for that! Now if I can just come up with another video idea…lol. Kidding. I appreciate you Mitchell!👍🏼😎

[@timshull59]

I thought I had lost my mind when i paid 47k for my 2018 Lance 1172 truck camper....

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi Tim. Well done. I’ve seen some pretty cool truck campers on KZbin and I certainly see the attraction. Consider yourself lucky that it checks off all your boxes and that you bought at the right time. Those puppies ain’t cheap! Thank you for stopping by. Don’t forget to click that subscribe…oh you know the rest🤣. Safe travels 👍🏼😎

[@calr4459]

Research the major problems with the Lippert frames that RVs are built on……serious and expensive problems. Regardless of how much you spend.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi Cal R. I can see why you would say that since Lippert is pretty much the only game in town when it comes to supplying frames to most manufacturers except for a few that build their own frames like Luxe, DRV and Spacecraft. Lippert frames are made for each manufacturer according to the specifications provided by each purchasing manufacturer. Frames are not one size fits all sitting on a warehouse shelf being pulled off the top for the next order. They’re engineered for the specific needs of each manufacturer. And the fact is that some manufacturers spec their frames better than others. My research indicates that Brinkley is one of those manufacturers that go the extra mile. No pun intended. Time will tell in my opinion. Thank you for watching my video and taking the time to respond. I hope you subscribe before you go and check out some of the other RVs that we’ve considered along the way. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@cabracove]

LOL, the Superduty has more headroom than that thing. Plus you can always turn the lights on...

[@rickgriffith1]

You lost me with that one, but I appreciate you watching and commenting. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@cabracove]

@@rickgriffith1 Van. E350ex. Hi Top. Has everything I need. Power for the lights is always on, draws no current off.

[@dieseldummy4250]

I just bought a salem, from forest river. A lower end trailer, and the fit and finish is substantially better than what you showed on that top end rig. Thats wild.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hey diesel! I’m glad you got a good one. Hold on to it and treat it well. Thank you for stopping by. I hope you subscribe before you go and check out some of the other rigs I’ve recorded. My favorite is the Canyon Star video. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@jefftruckenbrodt2819]

Everything Buffet has touched with Thor buying companies out turns to crappola because they think they don't have any competition. See what falls under the umbrella of Thor and run. I know they haven't got their mitts on Winnebago and Airstream as of yet and evidently not Brinkley either. They've also got their hooks in Tiffin.

[@rickgriffith1]

I believe Thor is the largest company of all of them and Brinkley is managing to stay out of their reach so far. Thank you for taking the time to comment. I hope you subscribe and check out some of my other videos like my Canyon Star toy hauler video where I try and load a three wheel Harley-Davidson into it and things didn’t go as planned. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@moorecamping5503]

I’d like to say I’m surprised by the poor quality, but I’m not. Brinkley’s are in no way perfect but the quality and manufacturing process from Brinkley is a huge step above most manufacturers. I highly suggest everyone view their manufacturing tours by BTBRV and Josh the Nerd as well as the tours of their units. Brinkley did away with drop frame construction which contributes to frame flex and their LCI frames are at least 30% stronger than most and the frames are made for full timing and constant travel. Going with the 3500 TH this summer. Once u walkthrough and around a Brinkley, the choice is easy. Thanks for the review!

[@rickgriffith1]

Hello Moore Camping. I’m so glad you watched my video and took the time to comment. Your words are refreshing and give credibility to what I’ve been saying in this video. Heck, you almost quoted my exact words as I entered the G4000 in my Brinkley comparison video. As you can tell, I’m a Brinkley fan. And I’m anxious to see what they come out with next in the way of travel trailers. Specifically a toy hauler option. You made a wise choice in manufactures and given yourself a great advantage moving forward in your RVing adventures. I hope you come back and see what we end up with. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@silaslongshot941]

$20,000 or $200,000, same cheap, shoddy crap underneath the glitz and glamor. De-laminating wall surfaces, tacked together drawers, crappy plastic plumbing. Buying new is risky cuz the dealer / manufacturer will play time delay games until your 'warranty' has expired, or point fingers at other suppliers for issues like frame breakage, etc.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hello Silas. Those are all valid concerns. Thank you for sharing. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@leeshaver7825]

If it was Bemount RV Sales that put that show on they're crooks we brought a 2014 Jayco J Flight BDHS from them in 2017 The experience buying from them was a nightmare we live in the trailer still and there is so much money we've put into this trailer fixing things that shouldn't have broken and we were lied to just to get us to buy this trailer crooks

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi Lee. That’s an unfortunate situation. I hope you’re able to enjoy your camper and not just spend your time working on it. Good luck. And thank you for taking the time to watch and comment on my video. I hope your visit here was worth subscribing and checking out more RVs that I’ve recorded. My Canyon Star video is my favorite because it shows my struggle getting a three wheel Harley-Davidson into the back of that toy hauler. Spoiler alert…it didn’t end well.👍🏼😎

[@doorguru168888]

The police are there because that RV you looked at is a crime.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hey Doorguru. Now that was funny! I appreciate the laugh. Thank you for stopping by and especially for watching the entire video, which is obvious from your comment. You’re awesome! I hope you subscribe to my channel and find out later this year what we come up with for our RV solution. I’m just as curious as everyone else. Thanks again for watching and commenting. It really helps out and keeps the all too important algorithm happy with my channel. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@kn-qz7by]

Pretty shocking shoddiness!

[@kn-qz7by]

If a very quick walk-through in dim light exposed all these glaring deficiencies imagined what lurks in places you CAN'T see!

[@rickgriffith1]

I was amazed at the poor craftsmanship.

[@rickgriffith1]

I completely agree with you. I can’t stress enough to people that are in the market to buy an RV to get it inspected before you buy it. I don’t care how new or shiny that it is. Don’t just take the word of an RV salesman. Thank you for watching my video and commenting KN. Please subscribe if you found any value in being here today. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@ColeslawLarry]

Top of the line? RV makers cant even put a quality coach in a RV show!

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi Coleslaw. Wasn’t that hard to believe?! The idea that this dealership examined this rig and determined it was ready for market is absurd. The disappointing reality is that they were right in doing so because apparently it paid off and someone bought it. And it’s because of that pending purchase that I’m convinced that nothing will improve with manufacturing quality of most RVs any time soon since the dealerships and manufacturers see that the masses will buy anything. It’s a sad state of affairs that we customers have to wade through and find the lesser of all evils. Thank you for stopping by Larry. I hope you take a second to subscribe before you leave and check out some of the other RVs that we’ve looked at along the way. My Canyon Star video is my favorite. You should see me trying to get a three wheeler in the back of that thing. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@chonkyb3134]

Those Lippert frames are total garbage !

[@rickgriffith1]

They’re pretty much the only game in town when it comes to frames. Hopefully things will improve with the spotlight that’s been shining on them recently. Thank you for stopping by and sharing. Please subscribe before you go if you got any value from my video. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@jameskeen8063]

Whats giong to happen when its towed down a rough highway ?

[@rickgriffith1]

Agreed. 💯%! Thank you for stopping by. Happy trails.👍🏼😎

[@marksr8784]

Big discount but still way off....😊

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi Mark. I agree. The distance between the MSRP and the sales price has always full of smoke and mirrors. Thank you for watching the video and commenting. Please subscribe if you found it informative. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@jerrytalley802]

These companies should be embarrassed to let these roll out of the factory.

[@rickgriffith1]

I agree 100%. Quality control is far to lax with the rigs coming out of these factories. Thank you for stopping by and commenting.

[@scottkeeney1]

Next video please cut the music. It’s very difficult to listen to you with that music playing.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hello Scott. I’ll keep that in mind on my next video. Your comment is encouraging to me since you mentioned next time. I’m optimistic that you subscribed? Thank you and safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@Buck0seven]

FR is owned by Berkshire Hathaway since 2005. They are forced to build cheap and fast to satisfy their corporate handlers. I have an RPod and it has had so many issues. Slide broke, plumbing issues, cabinets falling apart. Junk. Never again will I buy a FR product.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hello Buck. Your experience is unfortunate, but common it’s sad to say. In all fairness, I believe that all the manufacturers have been taking advantage of a captive audience with putting out poor quality with no regard for improving quality for their customers. My appreciation for the Brinkley brand stems from them being the new kids on the block that’s trying to address historic problems with RV manufacturing and improved the overall situation with the quality of the products they put out for their customers, but that comes with a hefty price tag. I’ve been considering a fifth wheel toy hauler for the longest time now, but because I can’t afford a Brinkley fifth wheel I’m hoping that they come out with a more affordable travel trailer toy hauler by the time we’re ready to purchase something. Otherwise it looks like it’s gonna be a five to ten year old diesel pusher with a trike trailer in tow. Thank you for stopping by and watching and commenting. It really helps my channel. I hope you subscribe before you go and check out some of my other RVs that we’ve considered along the way. The Canyon Star video being my favorite. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@Buck0seven]

@@rickgriffith1 I agree that Brinkley is doing something different! Sure the price reflects it but if it lasts a decade and is reliable, the cost of entry makes sense. There are some small US companies like ATC and NuCamp that are doing it right

[@rickgriffith1]

@@Buck0seven I 100% agree with your assessment. And I’m familiar with ATC having good quality, but I know nothing about NuCamp. Thanks for sharing.👍🏼😎

[@mikeandre9027]

Wow that is pretty crazy.I have a 2003 forest river 38 ft cardinal And it's still solid as a rock. Just like the 1st day came off. The assembly line that just lets you know the build quality. Of the newer builds My other traveling rig is a 2019 grand design.Imagine 2600 r b and it's even in better condition than this one👍🏻👍🏻

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi Mike. It’s great to hear from folks that have had good experiences with their RVs. It give me hope that things might be better than they seem. It looks like you bought your RVs during two different, but very distinct time periods. Before two separate market crashes that had heavy duty effects on the quality of products being made afterwards. Hindsight being 20/20, you did great with the timing of your purchases and the return in quality that you received. Bravo my friend. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@mikeandre9027]

@@rickgriffith1 Thanks, I appreciate it.I just didn't want to buy a 2020 21 or a 22 model.As I know, those are AK.A covid bad quality bulbs

[@rickgriffith1]

@@mikeandre9027 Absolutely. Thanks again for stopping by. I hope you subscribe and watch my other RV videos and stick around to see what we end up with. Take care.👍🏼😎

[@mikeandre9027]

@@rickgriffith1 👍🏻👍🏻

[@user-nv1dk9ex1f]

Now we know why the lights are turned off. This Riverstone RV is worse than Grand Design. LMFAO!! What a piece of crap.

[@rickgriffith1]

It had stunningly poor craftsmanship. I walked out of it just shaking my head.😖

[@angie-xy5sf]

F ing Crazy. some of these will bankrupt in couple years building crap

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi Angie. I agree completely. It’s happened before. Thank you for sharing.👍🏼😎

[@user-nv1dk9ex1f]

I too have been looking at RV's. Im leaning towards a Super C RV on the F550 or F600 frame with the Ford diesel engine that has enough power to pull a motorcycle trailer.

[@rickgriffith1]

I’m hoping Brinkley comes out with a travel trailer toy hauler real soon since it’s looking like that will be the only Brinkley that I’ll be able to afford. Otherwise it’s looking like a five to ten year old motorhome with a trailer in tow for my trike. Have you seen the Ironhorse Trailer company motorcycle trailers? They’re awesome, but of course they ain’t cheap. Check ‘em out. Thank you for stopping by and checking out my video. I hope you subscribe before you go and check out my other RV videos (especially the Canyon Star video) and follow along and see what we end up with. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@user-nv1dk9ex1f]

@@rickgriffith1 ATC makes some good stuff. They make many different trailers. Motorcycle trailers and Toy Haulers. I think they are out of Indiana.

[@rickgriffith1]

I’ve heard nothing but good things about ATC. But I could have said the same thing about Riverstone before I saw this one. ATC’s claim to fame, besides building stacker trailers, is having no wood at all in their live aboard trailers and they don’t have slide outs in any of their trailers. They’re like the Airstream of fifth wheels with a price to match. They also have that open concept interior going on, but I’m not a fan of that style and my wife needs those slide outs for room and comfort. I mentioned the Ironhorse Trailer strictly as a small tow behind trailer for transporting motorcycles and light cargo behind a motorhome. Good luck with your Super C search. Come back here and update this comment thread when you select something. Safe travels 👍🏼😎

[@Itsa_Mea]

Check your tow capacities first. Majority of those chassis once built into an RV are close to its max ratings and could barely tow a 4x8 flatbed trailer.

[@rickgriffith1]

@@Itsa_Mea I’ll definitely be checking. Thanks again for your input and supporting the channel with your viewership and comments. Happy trails.😎

[@johnjaco5544]

Wait til you drive down the road,these things will fall apart,look at all the you-tube videos.These are pure junk.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi John. I’m planning on doing my due diligence as Dave suggested, but ultimately I’m going to have to expect some hiccups as we make it down the road. I appreciate you watching and commenting. If you found any value in my video I hope you’ll consider subscribing before you go. Safe travels.👍🏼😎.

[@johnb4183]

$212k for that junk lol ! Get an airstream

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi John. I can’t argue with you on that. It’s a shame what dealerships are throwing at us nowadays. Thank you for watching the video and commenting on it. That really helps out the channel. Well, that and subscribing.😉 Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@kjisnot]

I'm not into RVs but this video popped up today. Those wall covering and trim problems in the bathroom look like a structural problem. The room looks like it's sagging or twisting and the covering is the visual symptom.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi Keith. I can’t argue with your assessment. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to find out that that unit was twisted. It’s just sad to see what rv manufacturers are letting out their doors and even harder to watch people paying for it. That rv I showed was a pending sale.😖 Thank you for stopping by. I hope you subscribed before you left to see other issues I’ve covered. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@time_on_target]

The build quality on everything today is so bad. Have you ever looked at ATC trailers?

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi time_on_target. I’ve never seen an ATC trailer in person, but I’ve seen nothing but outstanding reviews of them on KZbin. Kinda like the Riverstone product line in the past. I hope the ATC proves to be a better video if I can find one nearby to examine. Thank you for commenting and taking the time to watch this video. I hope you subscribe and check out some other points of interest I’ve covered. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@maggieesquivel4533]

Thank you. As I do research, I think I'm buying a used trailer. They are better made.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi Maggie. I agree with your approach completely. If I were going to buy a used rig I would be looking at pre COVID builds starting from 2019 and older because I believe the workforce was more stable and accountable then. Good luck with your search. If you don’t mind subscribing before you go I’d love it if you would come back here and update this comment thread and let us know what you end up buying. Thanks for watching and commenting. It really helps my channel. Happy trails.👍🏼😎

[@charleslalonde2324]

bad management like the auto makers ,

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi Charles. I’d be happy if the RV manufacturers could build their products as consistently well as the auto makers and stop putting out crap 💩. Thank you for taking the time to comment. I hope the video was helpful and worth subscribing to the channel for more. Have a great day and safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@jerrytalley802]

I just noticed something and a lightbulb went off in my head. I know there’s so many problems with RV failures these days and we hear “THEY ARE NOT DESIGNED FOR FULL TIME USE”. But I just noticed the washer/dryer/dishwasher included. Who needs all that for Occasional use. Comment on no power. For $135,000 it should have starter solar panel, charger, battery, you could run the lights. If these things are falling apart brand new, what would happen if you actually used it.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hello Jerry. Great points. Thank you for taking the time to watch this video and commenting. It really helps out the channel. I hope you subscribe and check out some of my other RV content like my Canyon Star video. It’s a Class-A motorhome toy hauler from Newmar and my favorite RV pick. Take care.👍🏼😎

[@user-gl9iz1bp1r]

Why would I bring more problems into my life? Trying to simplify my life.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi B. I think you’ve got the makings of a funny t-shirt going there. Thank you for stopping by. Hopefully you liked my video and chose to subscribe. Take care.👍🏼😎

[@talldude5841]

Easy answer here. Never buy any RV's made in Indiana.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hello Tall Dude. That’s one way to handle it. It would severely hamper your results as you know. I believe the Oliver trailers are made in Tennessee. Now there’s an option for a quality built trailer.🧐 I hope you subscribe before you leave and check out some of the other RVs that we’ve considered while shopping for our rv solution. My Canyon Star video is my favorite. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@randalljames1]

ain't Cabazon without dinosaurs...

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi Randall. Thank you for stopping by and commenting. Yes, the dinosaurs are still there. One is all pink and the other one is sporting a tuxedo. I drove past them several times while making this video. I even mentioned them while creating this video, but they didn’t make the cut for this video. Is that something that you would like to see a future video on? 👍🏼😎

[@XtremiTeez]

Forest River is JUNK! We bought a brand new 2021 Grand Lodge 42DL in 2020. The fit and finish is TERRIBLE, inside AND out! Pieces just fall off or are hanging and about to fall off. I've had to fix so many things on this camper. Someone in the business told us that they hire literal meth heads to put these together. NEVER BUY FOREST RIVER!

[@rickgriffith1]

It’s unfortunate that we buy RVs to enjoy the outdoors with only to have to spend so much time patching them up every time they’re moved. Good luck with your rig. 👍🏼😎

[@larrysilverthorn9353]

I feel bad for people spending 150,000 for junk.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hello Larry. I feel the same way. That’s why I was compelled to change the tone of this video from an initial “feel good” RV video to what’s turned out to be a public service announcement for would-be RV buyers. I went in bright eyed and bushy tailed and left out disillusioned at best. The moral of the story is that RV inspections should be a critical part of the RV purchase process. I hope you subscribe before you go and check out some of my other RVs that we’ve considered since starting our search. My Canyon Star video is my favorite. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@edbern7387]

Crap is crap at any price......

[@rickgriffith1]

Well said Ed. Short and to the point. I like it. I’ll try and be equally succinct. Thank you for watching and commenting on my video. Now if you would kindly subscribe before you go you will be the hat trick of the day. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@gj6209]

Great video! What JUNK! The price of something like this is a joke! I can build a small CUSTOM HOME on my 2 acres for 200,00! I don’t travel enough for this cheapie lifestyle. Why do people need something this freaking big to travel in??? I think…it’s “look what I have” syndrome. I’m never impressed.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hello G J. Thank you for your kind words. I believe the folks that buy a rig of this size would be using it to live in full time or “half time”, months at a time, and want the comforts of what a home usually has. But that’s just my opinion. Thank you for taking the time to watch my video and comment. I hope you’ll subscribe if you got anything out of watching it. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@FREEDOM195844]

Not impressed at all with that RV!

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi S J. Unfortunately, neither was I. But luckily for you I have some better examples on my channel. Just click that subscribe button and check out what we’ve seen so far. We’re continuing to search out every option. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@gaylefanelli9054]

That's pretty sad

[@rickgriffith1]

I know, right?!👍🏼😎

[@user-iw5ce9px3f]

RV's have always been crap........

[@rickgriffith1]

I agree Randy. But there are more less aggravating choices that will give you a better camping experience. I hope you subscribe before you go and check out some of the other RVs that we’ve considered along the way. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@allermenchenaufder]

Attended Pomona RV Expo a few years back. Mediocre design for most manufacturers.

[@rickgriffith1]

It’s reached new lows over the past few years from what I’ve seen as a hands on shopper. Thank you for stopping by. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@edyoung6573]

Absolute Junk!!!

[@rickgriffith1]

I hear you Ed. It’s hard to believe that a 2023 model is being presented in this light. Thank you for stopping by and watching my video and commenting on it. It really helps with the KZbin algorithm. I hope you’ve subscribed and you go and check out some of the other RVs that we’ve considered along the way. The Canyon Star video is my favorite of all of them. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@paul311emain]

DRV, Luxe…just saying.

[@rickgriffith1]

I hear you William. And I’ve toured them both. Top shelf quality to say the least, but they are also at the top of the spectrum price wise and weight wise and need to be hauled by a Freightliner M-2 medium duty type truck or full HDT in order to be towed safely in my opinion. Putting both options out of my price range. But I agree with you about both. Just because I can’t afford them doesn’t mean they’re not worth the money they command. Thank you for watching and commenting and I sure would appreciate you subscribing and checking out my other videos including my favorite RV, the Newmar Canyon Star. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@paul311emain]

I’m down with the Brinkley for weight and quality.

[@jerrytalley802]

Trailer toad

[@rickgriffith1]

You lost me with this Larry. What about trailer toads?

[@jerrytalley802]

Were you talking about towing something behind you? I comment a lot and trailer toad is a high quality dolly set up that motor home people use a lot when the tow heavy trailers behind them. Look it up, guy in Texas makes them. If you weren’t asking about or commenting on towing, no idea why I mentioned it, lol

[@rickgriffith1]

@@jerrytalley802 Thank you Jerry. I appreciate all of your input. Keep the comments coming brother. It really helps my channel out. Take care.👍🏼😎

[@jameskeen8063]

I have a 2015 Redwood 38RL that is as good as that River Stone , higher ceilings.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi James. It’s great hearing from folks with good experiences. I’ve heard that Redwood puts out a good product. It’s great to hear from an actual happy customer. I hope you subscribe before you go and check out some of my other videos. The Canyon Star video being my favorite. Safe travels.👍🏼😎

[@markf6829]

I understand why its on sale for $135K. They want to unload it as is.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi Mark. I agree with you for sure and it looks like it worked out for both sides since a sale was pending for this unit. So someone saw something in it that I didn’t. I hope you subscribe before you go and check out some of my other RVs that I’ve considered along the way. The Canyon Star video is my favorite. Happy travels.👍🏼😎

[@gregdelong1539]

Why does that bell keep ringing, I had to stop watching.

[@rickgriffith1]

Hi Greg. It was associated with the pop up subscribe image playing at that time. Thank you for watching. 👍🏼😎

[@BroJerHWG]

Cosmetic garbage... now wait til you find out the frame quality... cant pull itself down the road? Imho😂😂😂😂😂...

[@rickgriffith1]

Ain’t that the truth!🤣 Thank you for watching and commenting. It really helps out. I hope you subscribe and check out some of my other RV videos. Especially the Canyon Star video. It’s worth watching if you’re into toy haulers. Safe travels.👍🏼😎