RWBY - 8x10 Ultimatum - Group Reaction

[@Pakaiea94]

one of the best scenes and you guys talked about “Omg it’s the voice actor that play vegeta “ 😂 save that till the end guys.

[@sittingcrowd912]

I was literally howling at my monitor

[@wickedbob66]

@@sittingcrowd912 HAHAH! So was I. I'm in my room alone yelling " SHUT UP! THIS IS IMPORTANT!" lol

[@MoxiePoxy]

It's impressive that the girls can remain focused on the show even when the boys are constantly talking throughout it lol I would've already lost it and told them to be quiet. I miss Chris in these reactions.

[@drakuse7702]

So true, it’s annoying

[@jamesdalessandro8728]

It's insane. It's almost like they do it on purpose just to piss them off and us.

[@ImpeccableZentertainment]

"Oh man but dont you know thats Chris Sabat cant you hear listen dont you hear it i can hear it now did you hear that it sounds like him listen"

[@ImpeccableZentertainment]

Mike has been annoying af in pretty much every reaction ive seen him in

[@avril.m.l]

It is ridiculous, you can't make a valid criticism if you weren't paying attention to the show because you're constantly talking over it 😩

[@coulsonintahiti]

One day, ONE DAY, the boys will watch the series instead of dissing people during plot moments and character development.

[@Lucifer_Crowe]

Ironwood: Penny, stop these mind games Penny: zzzzzzz

[@micahdear2380]

Atlas is BY FAR the most nationalistic kingdom. Watts is being “trusted” because Ironwood still sees him as another Atlas scientist on his payroll. Just one that he had to keep at gunpoint

[@Nimbl3_f0xx]

Oscar put up his green bubble shield at the end of the last episode. That's how he survived.

[@SaintBigfoot]

The ships he shot down were automated, but that was the definite moment where I went “Oh this fucker is fully off the deep end.”

[@Mirality]

And not the part when he shot the council member for daring to argue with him?

[@SaintBigfoot]

@@Mirality That part made me go “What the fuck” but fell in line with his own commentary in the past. This was the moment where he just left the rails and descended into bullfuckery

[@arcadius2569]

Yeah the point where you see his logic literally has no other rational than his own very narrow perspective. Mantle is valuable to them. Mantle can be held hostage by me. If they help me, I will leave it. If they don't, I will destroy it. RWBY has nothing to protect so will then help me. Absolute bonkers.

[@Aaronlune]

Ironwood is meant to be a bulwark. Oz thinks Salem is literally unstoppable. It made a certain kind of sense to put someone who will never yield against an enemy who will never die. Ironwood’s plan is to get Atlas higher than he thinks Salem can reach with the Staff’s power. If the staff is out of reach Salem can’t win. And bringing more people into Atlas risks enemies getting in. There is a cold detached logic to his actions. It’s the detached part of his logic and the fact he can’t course correct that makes him an antagonist now.

[@TheToxic35]

Nah, Harriet’s motivations are completely different than The Deep. Harriet wants revenge for Clover’s death, carrying immense hatred for all those she believes responsible for it (RWBY, Qrow, etc.) when all she’s doing is masking her own self hatred for not being there to protect him. She’s not sucking up to Ironwood to gain favor with him. She’s doing it because she believes Ironwood feels the same as she does. She’s always been moving to fast to see the finish line. She is unable to see what her actions, and the actions of those around her, are leading to.

[@rwrsluster]

Imagine comparing Harriet to The Deep 💀wtf

[@purpleirken1529]

Still valid for hating her though-- She's a jerk and an idiot =_=

[@MichaelaEvans]

​@@rwrslusterright? The Deep is a creep. They're completely different characters with different motivations! Wtf 😒

[@effortlessfury]

Ironwood has been paranoid since he was first introduced in the show; him bringing his army unexpectedly to the Vytal Festival was due to his paranoia. He said to Oscar mid-V7 that stopping Salem was the most important thing, "nothing else matters;" Oscar responded that some things were more important, like their humanity, which differentiated them from her. Ironwood was not exaggerating. Remember that Ironwood said to Watts last season that he would sacrifice whatever it takes to stop Salem (and Watts responded that he hoped Ironwood would). Ironwood was not exaggerating. He's been telling us how far he's willing to go but no one took him seriously enough. Ironwood has never been able to trust anyone but himself to "make the right decisions;" even as far back as V2 when Glynda told him it was high time he trusted others, and his follow-up to that was to go behind Ozpin's back to Vale's council and take more control over the Vytal Festival. And Ironwood HAS been adaptable and creative: his plan to bomb Mantle is adapting to new circumstances and resources. He has a hierarchy of priorities and Atlas definitely ranks above Mantle on that list, but what he's most focused on is stopping Salem and when all else fails, that is his one and only goal. THAT'S where he's hyperfocused and unflinching. Also, y'all are saying Watts pulled one over on Ironwood, but Watts did exactly what Ironwood wanted. Ironwood wanted the vault open so he could use the Staff. It just so happens that Salem has the same goal, wanting the vault open to take the Staff for herself. If Penny hadn't been able to resist Watts' programming, she would've done exactly what Ironwood wanted. The Gods' power is why Salem can't die. Ozpin's magic can't change that.

[@RectPropagation]

Yep, yep, yep! It's interesting that Ironwood said he didn't want to end up like Lionheart when really Ironwood was the one who betrayed Ozpin first.

[@effortlessfury]

@@RectPropagation In fairness, Ironwood didn't join Salem like Lionheart did. Still a significant distinction.

[@konstellashon1364]

@@effortlessfury and Ironwood really thought he was protecting the Festival. All because Oz and his secrets. The Council sided with James because Oz's decision to send a team his own school rated under-qualified on an important scouting mission made no sense to them. Said team proceeded to prove their rating when they failed to prevent The Breach. It's not like they're supposed to know that they're main characters. Their POV was Oz committing neglect.

[@effortlessfury]

@@konstellashon1364 yes, but Ironwood knew better, and yet he presented the situation to the council knowing they'd lack full context, which would give him leverage. He used the secrets he was entrusted with to take control, knowing Oz couldn't defend himself fully.

[@konstellashon1364]

@@effortlessfury Ironwood knew better about what? He had no idea about Silver Eyes. His POV is that Oz lacking action after a Salem minion tried to infiltrate the tower.

[@DigiCount]

Also, you guys should rewatch his convo with Jacques in V4 and think about how significant everything he was saying is in hindsight. EDIT: "He was handsome and he was very stern so they trusted him." Mikey coming through with the read

[@TheHollowTiger]

It's a fantastic bit of storytelling/foreshadowing, because if you actually take a step back and examine what Ironwood is saying it's full of red flags, and reeks of the beginnings of an authoritarian regime. But because the person bringing up those points is Jacques, who is awful, and we (the audience) have been conditioned to dislike & distrust him on principle, we brush it off. But everything he said about James back then was true.

[@Jordan-gp3mj]

Interesting that they haven’t realized one place to look for a fugitive Schnee would be her own damn house or property LOL

[@ShnNar1000x]

The men are talking too much and talking right over the story and the dialogue. As a result, you are missing a lot. BTW, if you go back to last episode, Oscar clearly surrounded himself in a protective bubble before he blasted Salem and the whale.

[@lectro_legendary_electroni1852]

THE BEST!!! monologue from watts. I absolutely love that he chose to speak his mind when he was going to die.

[@codyschultz7260]

Not gonna lie, pretty frustrating to hear them constantly talk over/misunderstand half the damn show. Watts' breakdown of Cinder's character and actions was amazing, and they just...talked about the voice actor's other work...

[@Axel_Kasai]

That was a little disappointing but I feel like it wouldn't change how they reacted to the end of watts' rant, so it's whatever.

[@celticwolff5429]

Once again RWBY proves it is too complicated for this group to follow. Same 2 problems they always have. They talk over the show then complain about things they miss. And, being "professional" reactors, they watch too many shows to remember basic details like where Penny is.

[@alexwisz9527]

Kinetic Energy is the energy of motion. That cane, like a self-winding watch, has been mechanically storing energy with every movement it's made over THOUSANDS of years.

[@ItsB1998]

Kinetic energy, but can't destroy nothing but Grimm. Logic 101.

[@cbhensoncbhenson5515]

@@ItsB1998 It only destroyed the whale. All the flying Grimm just got shook by the blast. You can literally see a dozen Grimm flying behind Winter immediately after the blast.

[@ItsB1998]

@@cbhensoncbhenson5515 Kinetic energy that sent waves that could send legions of Grimm flying, but can't damage any of the building windows. Logic 101

[@boopboop9313]

@@ItsB1998 bro this world literally has magic, gods, evil monsters, semblances, dust, and auras what about any of this is "logical". If you want "logic" I suggest you watch something like Dr. Stone that probably won't help since you seem to want your shows to be 100% realistic and logical.

[@divinewrath2144]

I feel like they talk through so many parts in this show maybe I just like this show so I notice it more than I should

[@wilmerventura7886]

Yeah it’s weird having them talk and laugh over both Watts’s rant and Ironwood ultimatum, but to be fair they still understood the episode

[@vgfunman]

I think the problem ultimately w group reactions is that you're always gonna have a Michael or a Suraj that tend to talk a lot during scenes. Which is fine, I think - let them be themselves. Unless they talk over important details and then ask why they haven't gotten important details in the discussion or something lol

[@DaOnlySpace]

I mean it's normal tho...whenever you watch anything with your friends you make jokes and talk over stuff

[@zakariyyabrown7287]

@@DaOnlySpace ik right, its cool and fine, some people take this show to the heart.

[@alex132788]

Ironwood's Semblance does not mean he will never change his plans. It allows him to suppress his own emotions, so that he can always do the most logical thing. Which, in this case, as he believes it's impossible to beat Salem, he wants to save as many as he can. His failing is in that, suppressing his emotions, he can't see that everyone else is disgusted by these actions. He thinks everyone should go along with his plan, because it's the easiest way to save some people and keep 2 relics away from Salem.

[@rinkusan978]

Upvote

[@MonsterZeroLITE]

His semblance is being neurodivergent*

[@jamesdalessandro8728]

Oscar has Ozpins magic. We saw Oz use it to make a protective barrier in his fight with Cinder. We should just assume that's what happened. Also Cinder was right about what Watts did with Penny. Salem wants her to claim all of the Maiden powers, so Watts should not have programmed Penny to self destruct.

[@TheKingofHonoredOnes]

No Salem only wants the relics so she can destroy the world. She doesnt give a damn about the maiden powers. Once penny opens the vault and gets the relic Salem has no use for the winter maiden.

[@seraphimrosenhart173]

I get that you guys like the voice actor of Vegeta, but you went on about it in the middle of the episode for so long you missed a substantial part of a great monologue which also serves to give depth into Cinder and Watts a little more. Can we please keep the non-show related stuff for discussion instead of talking over the episode because you guys miss soooo much sometimes.

[@MarcMagma]

Man, I love Watt's. He's so fun to watch, especially when paired up with Cinder.

[@dontaviousjackson1791]

Yeah and he's not wrong.

[@cbhensoncbhenson5515]

I’ve seen a lot of people say that Ironwood’s plan to hold Mantle hostage is such a far departure from him previously. But the reality is he already made the decision in volume 7 to condemn Mantle to death by trying to lift Atlas into space. The only objective difference between his two plans are, inaction vs. direct action. In Ironwood’s mind, the people of Mantle are already as good as dead thanks to Salem so he has no qualms about sacrificing people who are already going to die, in order to, in his mind, save the world.

[@TheGreater-ScopeVillain]

I love how Suraj is still fully aware that Cinder has her own plans to defeat Salem and take over, and just how hyped he is about it!

[@DeadLog]

just so everyone knows, Ironwoods plan was to lift the city up into the upper atmosphere to keep grim and Salem away from the Relic of Creation and Maiden. He was trying to save Atlas and in turn the world because Salem wouldnt be able to acquire all four relics meaning she couldnt bring the gods back to get rid of the planet. If he was successful i doubt Salem would have not stopped in trying to get that relic, but best case scenario she gives up or takes another couple lifetimes to make a grimm capable of getting up there. He had a noble goal, but his semblance made the path to get there downright inhumane

[@vegvisir9276]

not even bother trying to explain it, these morons have to pay people to remind them of their own names when they wake up each morning, roadkill have better iq's then each of these goombas

[@sassui90]

Ironwood goal has been Atlas for a while, to save the world "we are saving who we can" it's that or the entire world disappears, and he's not wrong but the way he gets consumed by that fear made the Tin man lose his heart. His method to be unyielding and strong, trusting no one but himself led him astray, but like Salem said "There will be no victory in strength".

[@mauseratti226]

I honestly don't think Ironwood is acting out of character in the slightest, he has always been extremely paranoid and concerned about the bigger picture, ever since he was introduced in vol 2 when he thought the crime wave going on in Vale and Salem's big play would be stopped by aiming a big gun at them. He already thinks that Mantle is a lost cause, RWBY and company are just delaying the inevitable in his eyes and he is not about to risk the people that he CAN save to appease a few city blocks, he will loose no sleep for finishing an agonizing ally if it'll means that the rest get to live. No more mercy means no more weakness, Salem's greatest strength according to him. Also in regards of his semblance, given that all actions of his have been in according to his characterisation I'm inclined to believe that it doesn't actually guide his actions but rather empowers them, like he pushes through the pain in the Watts fight; it turns him into a missile guided by his beliefs instead of his beliefs being guided by his semblance. He never was a clean cut good guy, and his actions reflect that.

[@jordanparks5446]

You guys talked through watts speech and it’s one of the best in the series. A little disappointed but I get the hype…

[@luigigustav8687]

We have to remember that part of Ironwood's plan is to keep Staff away from Salem forever.

[@TriXJester]

Watt's teardown of Cinder is by far the most satisfying thing

[@RectPropagation]

I still want to know how long Ironwood has had two seats on the council. Because we know that Atlas allows worker abuses, faunus discrimination, and child slave labor. We also know Jacques considered Ironwood a friend until the dust embargo, so it doesn't sound like Ironwood has previously done anything that would hurt the SDC's bottom line (like pushing for worker's rights). So I have to wonder if that's because Ironwood has only very recently had enough power to get his way or was this yet another hint that Ironwood was never going to care about saving these people? (The other option is that Ironwood tried to get things changed but couldn't get the third vote he needed to side with him but that would have been good to know!)

[@wilmerventura7886]

I think your on the right track, Ironwood would turn a blind eye to the SDCs wrong doings as long as they supplied dust and most likely funding for new weapons like the paladins, their partner ship only broke down because of Ironwoods increasing paranoia Also Ironwood cared more about stopping Salem and “saving the world”than anything else, he clearly cares not about the living conditions of the people he’s “saving” which is what The entire Mantle conflict was about I’m hoping the Arrowfell video game can address some of the things we didn’t get to see in Atlas, not saying that it makes up for it not being in the show but I’d appreciate the added lore value

[@konstellashon1364]

@@wilmerventura7886 but Ironwood's two seat titles are appointed by virtue of being Academy head and Military leader. So could this limit his authority over civilian matters like unethical business practices? I think Penny's dad said it was only recently that Ironwood started throwing weight around.

[@terminus333333333333]

Except his military record which is probly extensive, the point of having someone like that at the helm is that there are some decisions that are difficult and impossible, but somebody does need to make them, no matter how horrible it may be. Where some might fall or turn back from exhaustion, he'll keep going. This is one quality that's important for leadership, as it allows him to explore all options for success but also very dangerous ethically. His only objective here is basically "survival", (because "vanquishing" Salem has already been confirmed to be impossible to him, thus the leaving the only survival as the only alternative). Not of all, survival period, and thus he's putting aside everything that might diminish those chances, and ready by all means to do it, even tho those are still being guided by fear.

[@TheGreater-ScopeVillain]

Watts: _"Salem sent you to bring me back!"_ Cinder: *_"I missed the part where that's my problem."_*

[@aceofspade2120]

The part that really impresses me about Ironwood is that he, in his paranoia, makes him think that it's not a question about achieving his goals. Atlas is all about achieving goals no matter what. Ironwood is simply focused on his plan, and removing whatever is in his way is the key to victory to him. It's interesting to see his cognitive dissonance in action cause it MAKES sense to him to have an Ironwill. But it's dangerous when it goes too far

[@malachihoapili573]

his semblance helps him block out all emotions leaving only the cold logical decisions

[@vsimp2956]

They don't even know what ironwoods plan is because they don't pay attention to shit and have the collective long term memory of a gold fish. It's fair to be criticizing him, but at least do it for the right reasons.

[@brandondodge6040]

I agree it's fucked up. But I understand why Ironwood is doing what he's doing. If Salem gets all the Relics, the Gods will come back and destroy the world. Ironwood wants to keep at least 1 Relic out of Salem's reach so that Salem's goal will be impossible. Sacrificing a City in the process. And this was all apart of Salem's plan. In Volume 6 Watts mentioned that Ozpin would be able to get through to Ironwood. They planned on turning his own trauma against him so that he'd become the very thing he's always fought against. Doing most of the work of dismantling Atlas for them until they needed to strike the final blow.

[@valathor95]

You better follow through on that double drop because I immediately liked the video after you said that.

[@dominichumlie]

This late into the Volume, people seem to forget that the staff of Creation is in Atlas and from the beginning everyone agreed that it takes priority. While I believe Ironwood has long crossed the line at this point, no one else ever had a plan for Salem's onslaught. It isn't a graceful approach, I think Ironwood's paranoia and distrust after V3 was the first culprit here, but team RWBY (especially BY) is also certainly responsible for what happened end of V7.

[@nomisunrider6472]

Yeah Ironwood is an example of how it doesn't matter how well intentioned you are, unchecked power will drive you mad. RWBY nearly solved all his problems for him but all he could see was someone "defying" him. He forgot what he was fighting for and just grew obsessed with control. It's the same reason he trusted Watts. He believed that since he'd tortured and forced Watts to work for him that he had control.

[@noirnova8260]

Remember that ironwood's semblance is what makes him make irrational decisions.

[@sineaterdred1]

Dameron called Ironwood at first sight. Mikey and Dameron saw it coming but Dameron had no love for that guy😎👍

[@charliebushman9877]

I love that Chris Sabat is in RWBY

[@wilmerventura7886]

Well this chapter certainly caused discussion I’m wondering how confused they will be when Ruby starts talking about silver eyes and the Hound Favorite line from next chapter “Boop”

[@adog733]

That’s the whole point of his semblance. Whenever he has doubts or struggles with decisions, his semblance doubles down on his goals and consequently tunnel visions him.

[@mlgnerd13]

But then shouldn't he have been able to calm down after his aura breaks in a later episode? Semblances don't work when your aura is down right?

[@xanthartheanimeking5290]

@@mlgnerd13 semblances dealing with the mind could be different we'll never know

[@adog733]

@@mlgnerd13 Yeah, don't think we ever got an explanation for that one.

[@mlgnerd13]

@@xanthartheanimeking5290 But we should know. And honestly, that little change would have saved his entire arc. Having him have to deal with the consequences of his actions while under the influence of his semblance would have been a great bookend. But what really happened is that they wrote a dumb character choice in volume 7, tried to cover it up with a half assed semblance excuse, and then never used that in the story

[@MonsterZeroLITE]

@@mlgnerd13 its almost like rwby has bad writing

[@boopboop9313]

damn literally one of the best monologues in RWBY and half the couch was talking over it To quote Tyrian. "That is a tragedy"

[@TenebrousFilms]

Pretty lights, great lighting; followed by the excellent Cinder/Watts scene. Cinder hasn't had a win since the fall of Beacon, and she's finally been forced to realise it. Oscar bubble-shielded himself before letting loose, like Oz shielded while fighting Cinder. It's amusing to know that every strike on every enemy with that cane helped produce the big bang, including Cinder, Leo and Hazel. We finally get a moment of sibling interaction, but when Blang and Yang reunited, I yelled, "Kiss, you cowards!" at the screen. Complete agreement with you on Harriet, and yes, Ironwood has literally been reduced to a cartoon villain... he's obviously just read the Dramatic Lighting chapter in the Tome of Treachery. I'd be happy to watch Harriet die, but Ironwood's *character* was assassinated the moment he gunned down the councilman in cold blood.

[@liss_Th]

I'm surprised that they didn't talk about Watts' surprising speech. It was in a very good monologue

[@vegvisir9276]

they didn't hear any of it because they never shut up

[@taylorbateman3219]

Gotta bring back Chris to help keep the sound levels down on the left side.

[@treefiddy209]

I feel like the biggest red flag for Ironwood early on was his reliance of androids in his army. He wanted units that wouldn't question his orders, and follow through without emotion compromising them. This resonates to me as his orders get more and more questionable as the show continues on. It's just he eventually snapped when Salem confronted him in Volume 7. He was no longer willing compromise on his plan to save Atlas.

[@ItsB1998]

He wanted Androids to not risk people's lives on the battlefield.. that's actually what he said

[@treefiddy209]

@@ItsB1998 Yes he did but I'm trying to look back with context. He was already under turmoil after pushing for Atlas to overwatch the Vytal Festival and then he went against the people of Atlas and closed the borders(which was a move in his opinion that would help Atlas) but it instead it divided the Kingdom's even further. I'm just trying to show/say that the cracks in ironwoods armor we're there, we just didn't know how they'd play out until it happened.

[@ItsB1998]

@@treefiddy209 I wouldn't say turmoil. That only happened after Beacon. He was willing to hear Oz out until his "send the scouts" plan caused the destruction and deaths in Vale from that train

[@konstellashon1364]

@@ItsB1998 while Oz's "send the scout" idea was valid, there's no explanation for why he chose a team his own school rated under-qualified. We the audience know that Team R gets special treatment because of Silver Eyes, but Ironwood and the Council who sided with him don't. So this is actually Oz secrecy biting back again. Maybe James would've worked with Oz if he'd been told, "Hey, you've heard the myth of Silver Eyes? Well, I'm going to send this inexperienced team with a Silver Eyes leader to see what happens."

[@daysand123]

The moment Watts channeled the almighty power of the omniversal God Bully McGuire.

[@noremac7216]

"You ever wonder what Ironwood would look like without a beard?" Ironwood was literally introduced without a beard. He didn't have a beard all through volune 3 and didn't start getting stubble till volume 4 or 5. I swear you do this on purpose, you're just baiting engagement 🤣 you have to be

[@DigiCount]

It may be that he means in this art style, which we haven't seen.

[@ISAFMobius18]

Fun Facts Fact 1: This is the first episode of RWBY to come with a photosensitive warning at the start of the episode. For epileptic people, the moment in question is when Oscar destroys Monstra, and lasts from 2:53 to 3:19. Fact 2: On February 17, 2021, Kerry Shawcross announced that, due to the severe winter storm wreaking havoc in Texas at the time, the release of the tenth episode of the Volume would be delayed by a week to February 27 to focus on the production team's safety. Fact 3: Caroline Cordovin and the Colossus are seen on an Atlas Military poster in the underground station. Fact 4: The scene between Ironwood and the Ace-Ops was supposed to be staged around his main deal but was later changed to the central table to make the blocking flow better. Connor Pickens found it funny that they had been building up to Ironwood smashing his desk with the number of times he'd slammed his fist into it only to end up destroying the table instead. Fact 5: Originally, the scene where Yang's Group contact Blake after Monstra's destruction was placed after the Ace-Ops were shown recovering from the explosion. The shot of Neo skipping through the haze was used as a bridge between the scenes. It was moved to later in the episode to help with the pacing. Fact 6: It was hard to write the scene where Yang's Group lead Emerald down the subway tunnel as they needed to balance how harshly they treat Emerald with how she eventually needs to be comfortable enough with these people to join them permanently. Fact 7: The lighting in the subway tunnels reminded Connor of the Apathy scenes in Volume 6. Fact 8: In one version of the script, Ruby's Group were the ones heading through the subway tunnels to meet up with Yang's Group at Monstra's remains. They would have had to push through large crowds of people who are panicking and trying to evacuate and it was decided that those scenes would be too difficult to animate and would have made less sense than Weiss simply giving them directions to the manor. Fact 9: The sun coming up in this episode is thematically appropriate since it marked a major turning point in Volume 8. Fact 10: For the scene where Yang and Ruby's Groups meet up again, Connor sent the scene from the end of "The Lord of the Rings: Return of the King" where the hobbits are hugging before Frodo departs to the animator on charge of the scene, Vince Cavaluti. Connor specified that it was not the scene where all of the hobbits come in and greet Frodo after he wakes up in bed. Fact 11: Kiersi Burkhart loves the detail of Blake covering her cat ears when the high pitched emergency tone sounds. Fact 12: Ironwood's spotlight was inspired by a "Predator" promotional image where the Predator was over-lit, which Connor gave to the animation department while working on this scene. Fact 13: Ironwood's bright blue eyes contrast with the otherwise desaturated image in the spotlight to create a cold atmosphere. Fact 14: It's implied that in order to get the image of Ironwood they wanted, different renders with different lighting were composited in post-production.

[@mirceaorjanu432]

I liked Ironwood from the beginning, but his actions now are definitely wrong. For me, it's not character assassination, he was paranoid from the moment we met him, and after Beacon Fall and him learning that Salem can't be killed, and the scene from last volume with Salem hologram, it all piled up. Plus, we have his semblance (Marketa was wrong about this one), that pushes even further his actions in directions that are morally good, even if he thinks that is for the good of Atlas. He is a complex character...I really dislike what he's doing right now, but I understand how he became like this. (RWBY lying to him didn't help at all, as well)

[@ezrawillow551]

Seems like they forgot the reason why Ironwood wants Penny in the first place.

[@blueblade6174]

What are you talking about? They literally brought up him trying to raise Atlas out of Salem's reach.

[@eagleangel5568]

I actually really like ironwood as the like threat it's terrifying and I didn't know that watts actor is the same as Vegeta that's funny can we get a dragonball reference and I can't wait for yalls reactions to the next two episodes

[@Neon00000]

I'm glad Mikey said it. The only thing people liked about Ironwood was that he was handsome and confident. Half the fandom losing their shit over their irondaddy turning out to be evil was hilarious. Ironwood never gave what yall claimed he gave lol

[@avril.m.l]

I disagree, he showed many times he cared and was doing what he thought was right to protect people. It's like you must've been watching with your closed if you missed it 😂

[@itsjustvin7630]

Nah I didn't like him for his looks. He was annoying in vol2 and warmed up better after that

[@bel410la]

I think Watts at the end thought, oh well if she's gonna kill me, I'm going to get all my thoughts about how much she's a brat out of my head.

[@PheonixFire]

Ironwood: "Bring me *all* the dramatic lighting!"y

[@KdeeBUBBLES444]

I think this might be my favourite episode of the show PERIOD especially from a directing standpoint, from the opening where the bomb goes off to the Watts monologue to the lighting in Ironwood's broadcast its all just excellent. It's a shame y'all don't like what they're doing with Ironwood, and while i think it could have been done better i don't really view it as a character assassination (especially not Bellamy level my god) cause he's had all these traits since Volume 2 it's not like it's all popped out of nowhere in V8. He's always been giving Dictator Vibes, and tbh the only reason he's a "good guy" is cause he's anti-Salem, a lot of his actions in any other context he'd be immediately viewed as a bad guy. There's just parts in V8 that are a bit too "cartoonish" that can be a little hard to swallow if you were hoping for him to turn back to the good side. I've always thought Ironwood would turn into an antagonist eventually, but that never stopped me from liking him in the same way that i like Salem. He's a cool (mostly) well written character, no reason to be salty just because he turns bad, the difference lies with whether or not you find him an unlikable villain and stop enjoying his screentime which varies from person to person. Also if you'll notice Ironwood says he promised to defend "this kingdom, its technology, its future" but makes no mention of the people.

[@KdeeBUBBLES444]

A quick fix in my opinion would have been having at least one scene where Winter wholeheartedly tries to reason with him. It will almost work but ultimately fail (whether its cause some more bad news interrupts or something else idk) and then he continues with the "must protect relics" path that he's on now. It'd be a chance to actually show someone he cares for trying to get through to him (cause its frankly ridiculous that nobody does), and it'd be a chance to give Evil!Ironwood some more nuance, cause i can agree that he becomes a little one-note once his turn happens. Additionally it would add more emotional weight to their fight in the finale.

[@RectPropagation]

@@KdeeBUBBLES444 "cause its frankly ridiculous that nobody does" - He literally murders a guy for accusing him of being afraid. He shot Sleet _right in front of them_ in the first episode of the volume and you're surprised on one wants to confront him?

[@KdeeBUBBLES444]

@@RectPropagation except that doesn't seem to bother anyone enough for them to waver until much later in the volume and it doesn't stop Marrow from confronting him in episode 11 when Ironwood is clearly MUCH further off the deep end. You cant have it both ways. And im not saying i wanted Winter to come in swinging like Councilman Sleet or Marrow, im just suprised the writers never had her calmly try and talk to him (even early in the season) when they're clearly very important to eachother and that is likely something she would do. Some rando barging in and yelling at him about his decisions is not gonna have the same effect as his daughter-figure urging him to see reason like sorry those are false equivalencies. Im content with Ironwoods arc as-is, I was just suggesting it as something that would possibly improve it for people that were unhappy with his portrayal.

[@RectPropagation]

@@KdeeBUBBLES444 Of course they're bothered by it; it scares them into compliance until Marrow's had enough. A character finally getting angry enough to stop being afraid is not trying to have it "both ways". And I didn't make a comparison between a conversation Winter and the confrontation with Sleet. I said that it's unreasonable to expect anyone to try to reason with him after witnessing him murder the first person to question his martial law order. It doesn't matter how well he would have responded to Winter talking to him; it matters whether Winter thought it would be safe to do so and it does make sense that she didn't.

[@GILLIGFAN]

21:55 presumably someone who put Ironwood in that position saw decisiveness as a good quality but they underestimated the cons of Hyper decisiveness and stubbornness 🤷‍♀️

[@Ridorana12]

sh*t's about to kick into high gear

[@percussionfellow6168]

0:35 But does she know Chan? One of the most important teenagers in the Fire Nation?

[@Axel_Kasai]

24:49 i think ironwood is more like Daenerys than cersei. Because ironwood did start out wanting to help people and it wasn't until people started scheming behind his back and questioning his decisions that he decided enough's enough

[@jaredstuder2167]

18:50 Ironwood said “Execute Order 66!”

[@sunnysidesouffle8348]

The reason ironwood was put in that position was because his semblance of doubling down means that he would do whatever it takes to protect people But ge was kept in the dark about so much once he was shown how impossible the situation was his purpose became futile It's a die an idealistic hero or lice long enough to see yourself become the villain They never thought someone so bent on justice and protecting the people could turn that into a poison

[@sunreginatto_99]

The girls really focus on the episode. The boys on the other hand 😠

[@naturalnicknick5490]

It's actually because of his semblance he's in that position Ironwood is a mentally strong individual when it comes to goals that he needs to achieve and that power that he has powers hi through pain and anything else in order to achieve it

[@yumaclips3635]

Comments help me here Which tier do I have to buy to get full reaction? Help!!!

[@jonathanrobinson198]

Ironwood has no reason to care about them fighting Salem. All he’s ever wanted to do is leave but RWBY and friends make that impossible and haven’t been helping Atlas. Even the whale plan was just to get Oscar. So in Ironwoods situation he’s fighting for his life with no backup.

[@CyberDalek17]

Vegeta was spitting facts

[@tonerc.8191]

The Westing Game isn't exactly chess based aside from metaphorically but it is a good book.

[@tvftw1]

Not explaining Ironwood's semblance at any point in the main series is one of the most confusing writing choices I've ever encountered

[@Axel_Kasai]

That's probably because they didn't have the idea for his semblance until after they finished v8

[@gamemaher]

@@Axel_Kasai they revealed his semblance at the 2020 RTX at home panel. They were only part way done with production of Vol 8 by then. They confirmed the writing for the season finished in mid April, only 3 months earlier. they certainly already had knowledge of his semblance while working on Vol 8, they just never showed or mentioned it in the show for some reason

[@MrChefBoyardee]

They could've just made it his personality trait tbh

[@Mirality]

While his semblance does help explain how he got so far down the wrong path, ultimately it doesn't really matter all that much to the plot. It's already clear enough that he was doing those things and wouldn't back down, it's not really necessary to know why he was like that. It could just as easily have been another reason.

[@marinadiaz1762]

I loved Ironwood until he was a threat to Oscar 30:59 Exactly! "He was handsome and very stern" I wount lie. Attraction definitley had me lmao

[@AshSmashReacts]

12:35 To me, that feels like RT is playing it a bit safe.

[@criticcreature2121]

Cannot wait for Volume 9

[@WolfZBB]

Damn, Suraj with the 100 reference.

[@Bakemer94]

Wish they would've gone back to just the 4 of them reacting, there wasn't nearly as much talking over the show.

[@gradient6654]

Watch minnal murali it's a indian superhero - story oriented film....

[@ezrawillow551]

eh i still enjoy Ironwoods character.

[@sridigitalphotovideostudio325]

Eega movie reaction Director is SS Rajamouli

[@archerkuro4158]

I mean a broken clock is right twice a day

[@mikelcatalan4421]

Not gonna lie, i really didn't like how the show handled the team RWBY vs Ironwood conflict this episode. What used to be a conflict about people having different aproaches to solving a situation regarding a possible world ending threat, with both sides making valid points became about Ironwood going nuts, so Ruby's side is now in the right by default. Literally everything that was causing their conflict was solved: Salem got taken out of comission for a while, stopping the invasion and team RWBY found a way to evacuate the people in Mantle. But, i guess we needed to extend the conflict.

[@mermidion7552]

i mean, the whole series was always "Ruby is Right by Default" it is one of the points that really aggravated me about this show. if Ruby had a different opinion than any grownup than obviously it turns out that the Inexpierend kid is right and the grownups are wrong cause the kid happen to be ruby. There is one episode to come, where she loses it a little (and only very little for a very very brief moment) before she gets right back to handling everything and being right. i mean the show did not only mistreat ironwood but also Ozpin...and Crow... it really isnt hard to see a pattern here

[@konstellashon1364]

@@mermidion7552 yup. And they literally use dialogue to shill her. Like Yang in Vol 5 saying, "Ruby somehow always knows the right thing to do." Um, what?

[@itsjustvin7630]

​@@mermidion7552 vol 9 says hi

[@jammaj5426]

Sadly the reason it doesnt make much sense is because the writers were desperate to make him a villain, so he had to start doing irrationally stupidly "evil" things to get it across to the audience. Its literally Good vs Evil in this show, no grey area. You are gonna notice that in a bit when Emerald says a certain line. Its what a certain youtube says, you either 100% with Team RWBY or you are a villain.

[@ThatDandyGuy]

Man these guys just don’t stop talking huh? It’s like watching a conversation with a show in the background and not a reaction lol.

[@vegvisir9276]

its seriously annoying, these morons do not deserve how many subs they have

[@SubzeroBlack68]

Ironwood is the true hero of the series

[@CrabyMan]

Tbh Ironwoods semblance is kinda bad writing, but it is what it is

[@Axel_Kasai]

Kinda. It's like saying Roman torchwick had a semblance that boosted his charisma.

[@grim862]

Careful what you wish for

[@palmerthemedic7449]

I never really understood ironwood for this, at this point he's being evil to be evil mantle is all being evaced by the ships, Salem has been dusted for a few hours. He did not need to shoot those ships down and threaten mantle. The problem has pretty much been taken care of by team RWBY and Co and he's just being a dick now.

[@jakobecameron7732]

IDC HOW BAD SHE IS RN. I LNOW SHE CAN BE A GOOD PERSON JUS LIKE FOR THE REST OF THE ACE OPS. Lol I even like CINDER….. yea Ik.

[@TheGreater-ScopeVillain]

Well, *_I_* for one really like Cinder. 👍

[@askingalex2319]

are you guys gonna watch Vinland saga ?

[@lexlarae8466]

So close in likes for the double drop.

[@mcalpingeoffery]

You guys still thinking about doing the soundtracks? Or what about RWBY Chibi you can cram like 3to4 episodes a reaction and it is pretty funny

[@Anu32148]

I feel like they should do the soundtracks and then go for the RWBY anime!

[@nicholasjones7542]

Remember team rwby is the reason he broke completely

[@georgemitchell1705]

wow. the talking over dialog has gotten bad again. Do you guys get together and immediately start in on the "reaction". Maybe should have a chat session before to get it out of your systems before the reaction starts.

[@ZuZU-rio]

it is insane that you have in't watched KGF movie , this movie is lit bro

[@zakariyyabrown7287]

I'm not apart of the rwby community because its toxic as hell, I only watch the show but I wont lie Mikey and Dameron (I'm not sure how yo spell their names lol) were talking alot, I could tell that the girls were struggling to hear the show, that's unfortunate.

[@martinezhuertajoseenrique6423]

I'm still waiting for the reaction to Westworld season 4. Today's chapter was brutal. I hope they can react. 😓

[@DB_08-u2b]

Ironwood only gone on the deep end because of of team RWBY lying behind his back if they would've told him the truth when they first got here he wouldn't have been a cartoon villain and they could've stayed and worked together with him instead of them just shifting the blame onto Ironwood. He wouldn't be a cartoon villain and he wouldn't need to bomb Mantle but no them RWBY had to lie to him just because they didn't trust him and yet when Ozpin didn't want to tell them the whole truth he thought that they would hate him and not trust and look at what happened what he predicted actually came true but no team RWBY has to be the ones that are in the wrong they can never take fall or blame for themselves they always have to put on someone to make it seem like their the good guys just take up responsibility for yourselves for onve come on now.

[@TheKingofHonoredOnes]

True team rwby didnt handle that situation correctly but you cant expect them to self reflect right now. And that doesnt excuse Ironwoods actions either. Hes still in the wrong no matter what happened to get him there.

[@TheAngelofFate17]

Exactly and this is why I call team RWBY and co hypocrites but not in a hateful hater way. Speaking on logical terms they are looking at it logically, hypocrites. Because they bad mouth Ozpin for lying and keeping secrets and then they go around and do the exact same thing. They go along with keeping secrets and then Blake and Yang keep another secret by talking to Robyn. The only one who called them out on keeping secrets is Oscar, which makes complete sense. And the sad thing is that by the time they decided that keeping secrets was a bad idea it all had boiled over, Ironwood was at his breaking point and by then it was too late.

[@DB_08-u2b]

@@teeonbates7570 I'm not being a hater to the show all I'm doing is stating what i have seen in the actions of team RWBY if I was a hater I would stop watching the show entirely I'm still going to watch volume 9 when it comes out next year and i will give my constructive criticism but not in a "oh I hate this show RWBY sucks" type of way I'm still watching the show I still care about it I am not a hater for the show all I do is review it nothing more.

[@Inigmamc13]

Can we have the normies react to some bleach at some point it would be a shame not to have them have a look at it give bleach some love guys