RWBY Is: Doing Slow Burn Romance Right With Bumbleby

[@Enigma2Me]

0:00 Prologue 2:46 Volume 1 5:51 Volume 2 10:42 Volume 3 14:40 Volume 4 18:15 Volume 5 23:39 Volume 6 32:00 Volume 7 35:32 Volume 8 37:31 Volume 9 44:29 Endscreens WHOOOOO! This was easily the biggest thing I've ever edited, and came with a lot of challenges and roadblocks that I didn't really expect until it dropped onto me. Part of it is because of needing to create new assets for the background, editing Xel's avatar in order to make it usable against the backgrounds, and also having to go back and rewatch parts of the RWBY series that I vaguely remembered, but had kinda forgotten overtime in order to get the right footage. I've also received feedback further below on how I needed to increase the length of time that my editor's notes were included, since they went by far too fast for some folks and thus couldn't be appreciated, which I'll keep in mind for future works.

[@Tyrantlizard874]

Thanks for everything. Seriously, this near-flawless masterpiece was worth the wait. 👍

[@ZIPPY-VA]

Finally, someone gets it. This was an engaging watch and I'm so glad to see content not just about Bumbleby but one that is more or less celebrating the show for what it is rather than just trashing it and it's refreshing. Thank you. 😊

[@xelwriter5485]

Thanks so much for the kind words, I am so glad you enjoyed the video!

[@ZIPPY-VA]

@@atlas3556 Nice opinion ma dude, have a nice day. 😉👉👉

[@atlas3556]

@@ZIPPY-VA *objective facts

[@ZIPPY-VA]

@@atlas3556 If that's what you believe then cool, you go ahead and do that. 👍

[@homunculus7]

As an actual member of the lgbt community if you believe this is what planned representation looks like please get some help.This was insulting and the Bi erasure is just gross and insulting

[@Isa-nw4hp]

First time watching your videos, loved it right away. Great job! thank you for your hard work doing it, this seriously gave me years of life specially now that we are waiting for V10 to be greenlighted.

[@Tyrantlizard874]

Given what just happened with RT, that might take a while longer......at best. Still, I wish Crwby and Xel well in their respective future indeavors. #greenlightVolume10

[@xelwriter5485]

Thanks for your kind words!

[@lustigername9377]

It's so nice to click on a RWBY Video from a creator I don't know yet, and for that creator to actually not just completely shit on the show for once. A Video about RWBY simply praising an aspect of it for once is just very nice to find. Keep up the good work.

[@xelwriter5485]

Gosh mood, if interested there is a list of positive RWBY KZbinrs out there somewhere.

[@oligerspanier6936]

If it exists, then I need it really badly.

[@Tyrantlizard874]

@@oligerspanier6936 Well, you're in luck: this entire channels filled to the BRIM with faith-in-humanity-restoring videos like this. Just watch out for the audio of the first few videos, as you'll only hear them at full volume unfortunately....

[@jolksjumbojemi]

no misses, editors notes all lovely, funny AND intuitive! also massive kudos to the editing - crazy detailed work it makes me watn to fucking cry how you've encapsulated many, many things that mattered in their shared arc. honestly you earned yourself a fan in me and i'm very very happy to have found this video because this is the simplest way ever to debunk haters who say bumbleby has never been built up to... cause tho i managed to notice the signs ten years ago, some people still insist it wasn't built up at all... somehow? p.s. bits of subtle storytelling i'd like to add: blake's pistol shot charged adam's sword, which allowed him to slice through yang's arm. the slow-mo also lines the separation of yang's arm right infront of blake. also, to add to the "assault-coded" note, the stab to blake feels somewhat invasive and explicit and the thought of it is actually sickening especially since it's implied blake was around 12 when she joined adam's cause. sun was the one who informed yang that blake left... implying he stayed by yang's side to make sure she finds out. weiss and sun are the best wingpeople in history. yang was already affected by the apathy the moment she saw the cadavers with weiss and this has gotten her to let her guard down in the shed, and maybe even how her ptsd was triggered. but firstly, blake wanted to get yang alone to talk and that's why she proposed to go with yang to find stuff - she was visibly upset when yang was not happy about it. leitmotif "nevermore" played when they returned to the gang post-adam fight, then leitmotif "all that matters" played during blake and ruby's hug in the airship, ruby looking back to yang during it. also! somehow, ruby brought them together and back again.... cause that's all that matters. "when you through so much with someone, it kinda changes things doesn't it?" and both blake and yang looking disappointed when harriet replied, "but that's the job - we don't confuse the two". leitmotif "trust love" played while blake and yang were discussing the morality of their robyn mission. when may mentioned that fiona's got the boys+yang helping out at the other side of the plot, both blake and nora were obviously worrying about their respective partners. this kinda fell into place with nora and blake resonating with each other in v8 so much. blake was already running through the frames when everyone was still in shock about yang bouncing off the platform. the heartbeat in the bgm could be interpreted as blakes, too. but GOD, DUDE. you did 45 minutes of the most thorough work i've seen slicing and dicing how their relationship and arcs truly brought them here to this naturaly progression and how they've helped each other heal with understanding, respect and so much courage to love..... they're just THAT subtle and well-written. media literacy is so important and your work is such a showcase on why it is so and how RWBY truly needs its viewers to be observant and analytical to enjoy the layers it's intended to have. thank you for your hard work! i'll share it to friends again and probably watch this as my comfort video for the rest of time now, LOL! i feel so completely seen and validated for the first time since the release of yellow trailer. amazing work, wish this was the one that's going viral about RWBY and specifically bumbleby cause clearly you've studied the piece and treat it with respect. wow.

[@xelwriter5485]

Thanks so much, so glad you liked the script and I am sure Enigma is happy the editors notes land as well as they do. I am also just generally heartened to hear this video did its job i terms out outlining their progress from strangers to partners to friends to couple, thank you! I really wanted it to be a fun and easy reference for people dealing with exactly those kind of nonsense claims! Oooh much obliged! Mhm I can see it, granted I think the fight with Adam in general charged it not just those shits but yeah agreed, it'd add extra guilt to Blake. Oh 100% on the assault coding with the stab and where Adam made it, very much yokes. Mhm much truth on the Apathy arc there, good eye! I am not so good at picking out music cues so this was really neat thanks a ton! Very much yes o the Harriet segment, I mostly left it out cos while it was definitely adding to the build up the conversation could have been none romantic changes or romantic and I wanted it to only be the most explicit stuff as possible, though honestly this def could have stayed. Oooh nice work there! Yup, Blake & Nora got some mad vibes going on there. That bit was sooooo good, I thought I had highlighted it at least visually XD Thank you so much for all the kind words, this is a wonderful and insightful comment and it brings me so much joy, so glad this video could fulfill its purpose and bring you joy as well! Thanks on the sharing and comfort video cos I do that sometimes to with this one :3 With your help it can go viral XD Seriously though thanks so much for this!

[@djsaucy_tonight]

Oof, this observation is soooo good and goes together with the video like an amazing dessert! Thank you for all these tidbits! It just gives me more data to reshare with all the Bumbleby Naysayers. I mean this video is a goldmine and this comment hows how much you pay attention to the show as much as Xel Writer! Kudos to you both!

[@jolksjumbojemi]

​@@djsaucy_tonightTHANKS BUT I FORGOT TO SAY IT'S IMPLIED THE SEA FEILONG GRIMM WAS SUMMONED BECAUSE OF BLAKE'S GRIEF ABOUT YANG...... THAT SCENE WAS RIGHT AFTER YANG DROPPED THE GLASS 💔

[@djsaucy_tonight]

@@jolksjumbojemi My mind blown 🤯. Of course. That totally makes sense! Now that BeeGees song, "How deep is your Love?" just entered my mind lol.

[@Sparten7F4]

'Heart of gold, dumb of ass' made me choke lmao

[@xelwriter5485]

It fits very well XD

[@redlikerubes_]

absolutely incredible! it's such a relief to hear someone who TRULY gets it.

[@redlikerubes_]

such an underrated video and channel, everything here was PERFECT. amazing video!

[@xelwriter5485]

Thanks so much for your kind comments, so glad you like my work!

[@charlesbaldwin3166]

I had to watch that scene after they fled the farm an embarrassing number of times before I realized Maria was talking about Yang.

[@xelwriter5485]

I didn't realize it the first time either, it was only later that it occurred to me :)

[@DaniTheUntamed]

This is now my favorite video on youtube

[@xelwriter5485]

Thank you, honestly its kind of mine too ;)

[@matt0044]

Given recent… developments, I hope to spread this around more. Give hope rather than wallow in despair and uncertainty.

[@Tyrantlizard874]

If it helps, I posted an entire eulogy for RT under one of Xel's "I've had to ban this person" comments under this video. Specifically, the one with 9 replies. Felt like things needed to be said, so I did just that.

[@matt0044]

@@Tyrantlizard874 Eh... maybe in time. It's... still raw for me.

[@Tyrantlizard874]

@@matt0044 Fair. Here's hoping things turn out well. With RWBY and it's former creators especially.

[@Number1Rival]

RWBY and RvB will live on, if not through official production then it will live through the fanbase it has created, and through the dedicated work of archivers working to preserve as much content as possible. As for the staff at RoosterTeeth, I believe most of them will probably find work somewhere else, wherever that road they travel takes them. Of course, WB may scrap the idea of selling the series, and just decide to shelve it, or it may be sold back to former RT staff under a new name, or whatever happens, RvB has made its mark in internet history, and RWBY may enter a period of either revival, official continuation, or fandom custodianship that will allow it to live past RT's closure.

[@Tyrantlizard874]

@@matt0044 ......yeah, I'm morally obligated to warn you, as a fellow fan of the franchise, before you respond to the other guy(?): *they're being dishonest here* , and I absolute hate to be the guy to say what I'm about to say but here I go anyway..... This is the same individual who completely disreguarded said workers elsewhere whenever it was convenient for them, most notably to make the "iRoNwOoD gOt ChArAcTeR aSsAsSiNaTeD" argument that's gotten completely disproven time and time again. Rather hypocritical too, considering that **they themselves** are perfectly ok with "character assasinating" Xel and myself by implying that we were bullying some hater of Volume 9 Ruby (this was in the comments of Xel's "Ruby's relationship with Penny and Oscar" video). In reality, Xel rightfully defended her with factual evidence, while I myself simply told them how much I dispised people who hate something because they didn't bother to pay attention, and wanted no further part of it all whatsoever. Got being portrayed as a teenage edgelord for my efforts too. All pretty much behind our backs and pretending to stay "neutral", problably not realizing that I happened to see all this when I rewatched the video in question. You can go and see for yourself if you don't believe me. Either way, take care of yourself in the future......😔🙏

[@whatthehellisthisname]

I can't thank you enough for making this video! People's issue with the ship, though now I can proudly say "couple", was mostly that it felt forced to them. But that's really not the case, unlike most romantic portrayal in media, it wasn't all that in your face and it clearly wasn't love at first sight either, which I'm very thankful for, because not all real life romance begins at first sight either. Since RWBY is heavily symbolic, it's very important to look into the visual portrayal, relationship contrast, body language and other aspects which makes RWBY such a tale-like story and you showed that perfectly. And another aspect that clearly showed that Blake and Sun weren't on the same wave-length in V2, was when Sun told Neptune: "And the best thing about her? She is a Faunus!", when Blake said in the following episode: "I want people to see me for *who* I am, not *what* I am." It was clear from just the character designs and traits, even the original designs, that they meant for Blake and Yang to complement each other in ways that other partnerships did not. As Pyrrha said, "Aura is the manifestation of our soul", it's safely to assume, that, considering Blake's and Yang's aura colors are one another's primary colors, that they're soulmates, destined to be together and it was very beautifully written imho. I need more wlw slow burn.

[@xelwriter5485]

I can't thank you enough got your kind comment! Yes, extremely well said there, what makes BB so unique and interesting as a couple is both its slow burn nature and intern how that ties into it being subtly woven into the plot and characters as far as interactions go, which makes it feel more realistic and organic to me as well. Thanks so much and again well said! Yeah, honestly there's so many scenes along those lines that just show he does not get the wavelength Blake is on and often even runs contrary to it that its hard to pick just one. Yuuup, its well well thought out and built into the characters from day one!

[@CaseyG-go6js]

Really nice video. Very insightful and love the animation and edits

[@xelwriter5485]

Thanks!

[@luna7087]

Amazing video I don’t see a lot of videos talking positively about Bumbleby on KZbin, so this video was a nice change of pace. Bumbleby has always been a comfort ship for me since I was 14 back when I first discovered Rwby; so seeing someone talk so positively about the ship and why it works and how they have developed over the series is so nice. I especially loved how you pointed out how Bumbleby has always been planned since the beginning of the show, because a lot of people tend to ignore that or act like it wasn’t. I also like how you pointed out that while; Blake and Sun care for each other they didn’t match each other when it came to fighting styles or when to being on the save wavelength. As much as I like Blacksun for me I always thought Bumbbey storywise made more since, even thought I do believe Sun was important for Blake’s development in volumes 4-5. Again wonderful analysis and I hope you keep making amazing videos.

[@xelwriter5485]

Thanks so much, I am glad I was able to provide such a service and even the balance a little! Same, not the same age but same in the sense this ship was a real comfort and joy, writing about this was so enjoyable! Mhm, like there's attraction and affection there, but as far as having a stable relationship with good communication and understanding goes.... No. Thanks so much and I'll try!

[@hi-viz]

@@exaltedfalcheon1793 "Wasn't planned" Yet everyone involved in the show repeatedly says otherwise

[@xelwriter5485]

The first 3 minutes prove you wrong. @@exaltedfalcheon1793

[@atlas3556]

@@xelwriter5485 it's tied to the White Fang plot... which is fundamentally broken. Which breaks the ship entirely. It's not "slowburn", you're praising something that's not even there. Also the fact that they get together after killing thousands of people by destroying Atlas and Mantle, and overall dooming Remnant destroys the ship for me.

[@o0ugi860]

​@@hi-viz yes, because they definitely wouldn't say all that just to pander to their rabid fanbase.

[@hi-viz]

Damn this was amazing. Summed up everything I've always felt about them but it's always nice to get those feelings affirmed by others. I'll never forget how something just clicked for me in V3, speifically at 13:36, that these two were going to be endgame, and I can't deny feeling smug about being right.

[@xelwriter5485]

Thank you very much! I am glad this video did its job and same, the entire V3 end game was basically sending up a signal of the oncoming narrative.

[@lee2807]

great video! really reinforces why I adore bumbleby so much!

[@xelwriter5485]

So glad you liked it, thank you!

[@souperssoup]

this is such a great video of their relationship...holy moly it's beautiful

[@xelwriter5485]

Thanks so much!

[@BardockSkywalker]

This took months for you guys to make... Worth it

[@xelwriter5485]

Thanks!

[@Tyrantlizard874]

@@xelwriter5485 Happen to be available by chance? Somebody got booted off the comment section entirely, and OF COARSE people are suspecting that 🫵 you had something to do with it. I seriously doubt this actually happened (and other people are pointing out PLENTY of other possibilities), but now would be a good time to address all this before this get turned into a defamation of your channel, and **neither** of us want that to happen.....

[@xelwriter5485]

I already tried to address it here and I'm not going onto twitter, though a follower of my work has posted some necessary context so that is all that can be done for now. @@Tyrantlizard874

[@Tyrantlizard874]

@@xelwriter5485 .....alright, enough is enough. Do you see what a certain "someone" (not saying who, but surely you got the notification) is saying over there? Yeah, it's official: I'm *done* trying to be reasonable. I honestly, *truely* believed that I had something OTHER than the usual KZbin comment brain rot going on here. I really did. But no, all we have here is yet another "oH, tHeSe CrEaToRs (in this case Crwby. Typical...) ArE tOtAlLy RuInIng EvErYtHiNg GuYs. BuT YoU cAn TrUsT mE tHoUgH, iM wEaRiNg ThIs TiN FoiL sO nObOdY cAn MiNd CoNtRoL mE", just with a more "artistic" (for lack of a better word) language to hide it all. **sigh** Guess this is what I get for putting any trust in this fanbase, I guess. God, I hate said fanbase, I really do. Going offline for a while before I lose my faith in humanity altogether, and hopefully get rid of the migrane I just received. Hopefully things will turn out better for you......

[@Tyrantlizard874]

@@xelwriter5485 .......And here we again. First couldn't see OR interact with my own freaking comment.....and of coarse it got auto-deleted again soon after. Seriously, FIX YOUR SYSTEM KZbin!!!!!!😡 **ahem** so in other news: Do you see what a certain somebody said over there? (hint: On the meme comment's replies.....'iRoNwOoD gOt ChArAcTeR aSsAsSiNaTeD gUyS. YoUr'E jUsT bEiNg MeAn To CrItIcS') Yeah turns out, it's the exact same nonsensical conspiracy theories and willful ignorance that I'm sick to death of, just with a "sophisticated" coat of paint attatched. Then again, what the hell was I expecting anyway? I REALLY should known better by this point than to trust RWBY "fans" but....... **sigh** keep on you guard up around this head-case, fair warning. So yeah, I officially got a migraine now, so I'm going to go offline for a short while. Hopefully things will turn out better on your end, while I reflect on the mistake of trusting anyone in this hellhole of a fanbase.....

[@Yashieyama]

This was an incredible breakdown of the relationship, and although ive said almost everything you mentioned for the past several months since the end of volume nine, there were details ive missed which you have a good eye for. Great video and hope this may help those who either didnt see the slow burn relationship build up or probably got a heavily editorialized version of it come to a better understanding of yang and blakes relationship over the course of 9 volumes.

[@xelwriter5485]

Thanks so much, I am so glad you enjoyed it and feel it worked as intended!

[@spinoirrex2433]

The relationship where i got giddy and elicited about them confessing that they love each other, shaking while watching that scene for the first time

[@xelwriter5485]

Gosh mood, I was flipping out with joy.

[@lhhOriginalGrey]

The layers to these twos development is beautiful ❤ That moment with Qrow makes me desperate for a deep dive into Ruby and Yang's childhood

[@xelwriter5485]

Completely agreed, easily my favorite romance in fiction!

[@sublimecc]

This made me emotional I’m ngl

[@xelwriter5485]

I felt the same writing and then finally watching the finished product :) Thanks so much, I am really amazing by Enigma's editing! When planning this script one of the key things I wanted to do was to basically hold up a neon sign to most moments of foreshadowing and build up and show how they weaved together over just talking about the kiss or what I like about the ship I really wanted to emphasize the narrative strength of it. Well said there, the intent very much was to show the thought and care CRWBY put into the relationship!

[@omg789lolzz]

Absolutely wonderful video! I loved bumbleby ever since the trailers and seeing their relationship grow, develop, and blossom throughout the show has been so worth it. They mean so much to me and it's amazing to see a wlw slow burn relationship like theirs that represents wlw love so well. And the slowburn was definitely worth the wait!

[@xelwriter5485]

Wonderfully said all round, thanks for the comment and i am so glad this essay did the pairing justice!

[@amayaharig4330]

I know I'm a bit late in saying this but because we know Blake's been in love with Yang for a while considering she didn't even hesitate to say it back, it makes Blake's anguish about Yang falling even more heartbreaking as she thought Yang died and possibly realized she never got the chance to tell Yang she loved her 😭😭😭😭😭

[@xelwriter5485]

Gosh so true, I think this is why she was so forward after they reunited, she didn't want to waste a moment, but also didn't want to make Yang uncomfortable by rushing her.

[@LintuWaterfall-ey9xo]

Ah, a good analysis video that isn't 3 hours long. XD I can only hope this video gets spread around the fandom

[@xelwriter5485]

I do aim to be efficient rather than bloating my videos, but there was legit no way to make this one five minutes haha XD Hopefully!

[@kgmotte2363]

The Editing and Commentary, along with memories of the Scenes Described had me in tears a few times there... With a Big Dopey Smile on my face... Thanks, I Needed that... A note to be Added to the First time Yang Sees Adam, while Blake is on the ground... Yang Just Flips on her Semblance even though she hasn't been Hit by anything... Her Semblance is supposed to be ALL about how she Takes Damage, or Pain that she Suffers, and turns it back against others... In this Instance, it Kinda Feels like it was EMOTIONAL Pain at Seeing Blake hurt that Turned on her Semblance... Kinda Goes to show how Close they'd already gotten. I Just noticed that this is confirmed when Yang is Face to Face with Raven, when she finally get hit in her emotional soft spot, her eyes turn red, confirming that Emotional pain Works to activate her Semblance, but it needs to be EXTREME. Also, going though this whole vid, Reminded me of the Ongoing Subtle Fashion/Colour Joke going on with Blake: "Black goes with everything"... It's why she has SO Absurdly Many Romantic Interests compared to anyone else...

[@xelwriter5485]

I am so glad this video had a powerful impact, thank you! Yeah, Yang's Semblance is intriguing in of itself and raises some very interesting questions if one is into theor crafting, good insights! Hahaha, Blake is basically a harem protagonist XD

[@RileyKeys467]

Love the video! One of the things I love about bumbleby is how it shows that a wlw slow burn relationship of 10 years can be planned for that the writers and staff all wanted since the start and seeing all the staff’s reactions when bumbleby finally got together was so heartwarming. This was a moment they’ve all been looking forward to since the beginning and you can really feel the love they put into their relationship and all of the work of gradually developing Blake and Yang’s relationship since the beginning planting those seeds of romance, growing the romance between them and finally blooming their romance with a beautiful confession scene that many worked hard on. Bumbleby is a romance that breaks people out of this mindset that every guy and girl will end up together because of the slightest interest shown at the start like with Sun and shows that two women starting out as friends can gradually develop feelings for each other and fall in love and be the endgame ship. It shows that it’s no different than when a man and woman start out as friends and fall in love later in the show even with other love interests presented. And people who think Blake and Yang starting out as friends and gradually falling in love is bad writing because Blake showed interest in Sun or they think “there wasn’t enough romance” at the start are missing the point in it being a friends to lovers slow burn romance. It’s supposed to start out slow. Blake and Yang are supposed to start out as friends and just because Blake showed interest in Sun at one point and spent some time with him doesn’t mean they were going to automatically end up together. The video here explains Sun and Blake’s relationship perfectly and how the seeds for Blake and Yang’s romance were always there from the start and even having a video of Blake’s VA talking about her characters romance before the show aired. So thank you for making this video because I feel like it can open the eyes to many people who might not have known everything about the writing of their relationship and make them understand how everything came to be ❤

[@xelwriter5485]

This comment is a beautiful analysis of my own analysis and I had a joyous time reading it! Thank you so much for sharing, I completely agree with literally everything you just said! I low key want to share this comment with some 'critics' of my video in the comments as it addresses their complaints, but I doubt they'd listed and you don't need to be exposed to their nonsense. Regardless, thanks so much for sharing your insights and for the wonderful comment, this made my morning!

[@Ammy-q4w]

"Stop pushing us out. It hurts more than anything the bad guys could ever do to us." This hurts even more when you consider how Pyrrha pushed Jaune away to protect him, and ended up being killed by Cinder. Thankfully, Blake let Yang in, so she didn't meet the same fate in her fight against Adam.

[@xelwriter5485]

Mhm, this is one of the reasons I emphasized near the end how they aren't rushing ahead or making other errors the other romantic couples have made in the show. It was the right time, the right place and they were in the right head space.

[@banilemim]

i absolutely adore this!!! so worth a rewatch!!

[@xelwriter5485]

Thanks so much!!

[@superbatzbatazr7723]

You know , beauty and the beast's technically a book before the movie so

[@Tyrantlizard874]

No offence intended (unlike some other people here in the comments), but......your point? It's still Disney's (modified) version of the same story, and is the first one people think of. Not to mention, both versions serve the purpose of this video, so.....*shrugs*

[@xelwriter5485]

(Shrugs) Not sure what that has to do with anything, homages are homages.

[@djsaucy_tonight]

crwby utilized mostly Disney adaptations, They didn't use the original Brother's Grimm. Basically they used what was already in the mainstream consciousness since this is a visual medium.

[@EthanKironus8067]

I don't even really "ship" it, but I will defend the show's handling of Bumbleby to the end. So obvious it was planned all along.

[@xelwriter5485]

Thanks for your support and true facts!

[@valeofundoing]

I didn't know crwby really had it planned out so early.

[@xelwriter5485]

Yuuup, its been a long, slow burn, but I think it was worth it!

[@valeofundoing]

@@yugotokusatsu289 I mean you can ignore 1:15 to 1:28 if you like... I suppose its just implying bumbleby. It also doesn't disprove the planned romance either. I tend to think production/skill limitations is what made the execution of the planned romance falter instead of constantly shitting on crwby. You do you with your edgy sheeple take, so cool.

[@valeofundoing]

@@yugotokusatsu289 Here is the specific clip with Arryn mentioning Yang before Kerry silencing her. lol kzbin.info/www/bejne/raDchJiJg6d_adE

[@millieboon]

Yes , I love that we are getting it now . Like so many are like oh they are just pandering but it makes sense as yes v9 there is still a lot going on for the characters but it’s finally let’s them catch their breath as v1-3 the characters are still getting to know each other aswell as the world building so it would be to soon v4-5 obviously they were separated and v6 they are getting back into their grove but feelings are still hurt and still need a bit of time to forgive and over come past trauma on both ends (Adam) then v7-8 they are definitely showing more affection again and showing they are in a good place but the events are keeping them occupied and v9 is a different setting and finally allowing them to act

[@xelwriter5485]

Excellent breakdown there, very well put and yeah one of the only other good confession moments would have been their V8 reunion but the thing is that is a crowded scene with lots of characters and would instantly be overshadowed by Ironwood's announcement. This moment, ten years in the making needed and deserved to be emphasized.

[@evelynmoore3766]

You really summed up why the ship is so good and why I love it so much! Great video! And yeah them getting together is just the start! I’m so HYPED! I bet if we get an epilogue we’ll get confirmation that they’re married although a bumblebee wedding would be a fun way to end the show

[@xelwriter5485]

Thank you, I am so glad you felt this video did them justice! Same, super hyped and gosh a BB marriage in an epilogue would be amazing!!

[@GGBeyond]

I not normally interested in romance in shows, but with so many people saying this relationship "came out of nowhere" or "panders to the LGBTQSorwhatevertheacronymisnow", I started getting curious about why that is. I started watching RWBY this year and I binge watched it. I picked up on around half of the details you pointed out in this video, starting in volume 2. I think a lot of the hate that Bumbleby gets falls more broadly with the hate that RWBY gets in general due to its supposed "bad writing". When a critic points out something explained poorly or doesn't make sense, more often than not you can point to a part in the show (not even the books/music/etc.) where it's explained or at least apply some critical thinking to get it explained. I don't think they're necessarily being homophobic, but I think they're missing those subtle details that Blake and Yang were giving off. A lot of details in the show are unspoken and are usually conveyed through the use of body language, or indirectly implied by something else, which is my best guess as to why people can miss them. I think the best way to enjoy RWBY is to watch it all the way through without any interaction with the fans or haters. I've noticed this with other viewers and reaction channels as well. If the show is queer-baiting or the writing is as bad as the critics make it out to be, I would think we would notice it on our own just by watching the show and not enjoying it. It also helped that newer viewers didn't have to wait an entire week for the next episode or a year or more for the next volume (we do now though). People likely forget small details on long hiatuses, while us newer viewers will have them still fresh in our minds. I could see Bumbleby developing without being spoiled. It's only after I finished watching volume 9 that I starting checking out the community for RWBY and other content creators, only to realize that I was supposed to hate the writing... I still don't. I really like the show as it is right now and I want to see it continue.

[@xelwriter5485]

Fair and welcome to the FNDM, thanks for giving my video a try! Oh I don't think every critics is a bigot, though trust me some are hoo boy some are,but yeah a lot of critics don't give the show any credit and so don't really make an effort to pay attention, or deliberately downplay things to keep it within their preconceptions and as a result 'miss' the foreshadowing. Mhm very well said there, this is actually why I've stopped engaging with a lot of reviewers and critics before I watch something, cos its too easy for bias and drama to filter in and effect a viewing. Same and hopefully it will, thanks for the comment!

[@thegneech]

I've been waiting for this one! Some random thoughts... 1) Adam Taurus = "BULLy" or "full of BULL****"? (Spoiler: It's both.) 2) PLEASE leave your editorial captions on screen long enough to read! If I have to keep pausing and rewinding-by-two-frames-or-miss-it it completely throws me out of the flow and makes things more irritating than interesting or entertaining. 3) During the BMBLB v Adam fight, look at the flawless teamwork _after_ Blake gets knocked off the edge: Yang deliberately maneuvers Adam into looking away from Blake, plays up her fear to goad Adam into attacking, and then deliberately throws Adam's sword off over where she knows Blake to be. Big props to Yang's learning to be tactical, but also to their natural synch. 4) I feel like there's a lot to unpack in 'Worthy' that I've never heard anyone address. Who's worthy of whom? Blake? Yang? Both? What changed to make them "now know"? 5) Let us not forget their power-couple fighting through the rest of season nine. They both got a level-up!

[@xelwriter5485]

Glad it was worth the wait! 1: Indeed, well said! 2: I'll discuss that with Enigma, thanks! 3: Yes, extremely well said there, they compliment and work together so seamlessly, its amazing! (Though I will argue Yang was always tactical, I think very little of Tai's advice) 4: I feel it is both of them feeling worthy of each other/telling the other they are worthy. 5: Yes, their power coupling combat prowess is unbeatable!

[@Enigma2Me]

I'll keep that in mind the next time I add in editor's notes. I was trying not to be intrusive with my notes as well as making them coincide with XelWriter's commentary, so I didn't really consider that them being so short would be an issue.

[@thegneech]

@@Enigma2Me Thank you!

[@thegneech]

@@Enigma2Me (Also, just to be clear, I like the editorial captions! That's why I hate missing them. XD )

[@hubakon1368]

I love everything about this analysis.

[@xelwriter5485]

Thank you!

[@rileyduncan3927]

I’m really happy Yang and Blake got together at last. Blake’s relationship with Adam was not healthy, as he never truly loved or cared about her and was only manipulating her to stay by his side. But now that she’s with Yang, her second love, she finally gets to experience real romantic love for the first time, and the song Worthy proves that they are soulmates.

[@xelwriter5485]

Very well said, I completely agree!

[@willvandom5105]

the internet NEEDED this video

[@xelwriter5485]

Thanks so much!

[@Damascusdalek]

Xel you are a godsend for this truly

[@xelwriter5485]

Thank you, happy to be of service!

[@ravenbranwen-of4xt]

Man this is what the doctor ordered! I needed this positivity compared to all those hate videos against the show

[@xelwriter5485]

So glad I could fulfill the channel and videos purpose!

[@FullmetalNinja25]

Where did you get the clip of the Bumbleby confession in Japanese?

[@xelwriter5485]

You'd need to ask my editor Enigma about that.

[@CJFrostthorn]

Mannn, this video was on the back of my mind for so long- don't know what took me so long to watch it, but gosh, I'm glad I finally did! I can tell you, this video essay had me in awe and in tears all over again. I discovered RWBY for the first time right when I was heavily torn up because I was slowly realising I was gay and had surpressed that for a long time- and Yang and Blake were the first time I saw a genuine romantic relationship forming between two girls. Seeing them helped me soooo much in discovering who I was- especially with Yang being my favourite character overall. I was never one to really ship characters, but these two managed to get me shipping them virtually from the start and especially following that scene in volume 2 before the dance. I really loved looking at all the little hints and thematicism throughout their arcs. I mean- they were so interwoven and their stories so essential to one another, it could hardly be a coincidence. I can tell you- I squeeled like a little girl when they kissed in volume 9. This breakdown of their arcs, designs, all the hints and even more was so thorough- it took me back through the entire rollercoaster again. I thoroughly enjoyed the entire essay! Gosh, that must've taken hours upon hours though! Thanks for all the effort, Xel and Enigma!

[@xelwriter5485]

Thank you so much for giving this essay a look, I am so glad you enjoyed it so much! Thank you for sharing something so personal, I am glad things have improved on your end. Everything you say here is such a big part of why representation matters. Bumbleby do have that effect, I am usually a multi-shipper and even then often consider it secondary but these two moved into my brain and haven't left since. The V2 scene is also where it really kicked off for myself and most others as well. It took a lot of work but it was a labor of love and very worth it, thanks for the comment!

[@CJFrostthorn]

@@xelwriter5485 Thanks for providing a space to be vulnerable

[@Tyrantlizard874]

Before I even finish this video, Allow me to present to you the following message to not just toxic shippers, headcannon extremists and RWBY haters, but really the entire internet these days, as this feels important enough to be heard: "I get it! I certainly get it: you're CHILDREN. That's why the trolls put you all in the pool to duke it out! News flash: the Internet is a crappy parent! Well when my (theoretical) kids cry about "fairness", I remind them that fairness is the philosophical tooth fairy: there is no fairness! What are you-- **sees female member** Ugh fine, not guys. What are you *CHILDREN* coming here for!? Look, you won't get everything, but you'll get SOMETHING. Stop with this 'fairness' crap and make some compromises! Then go home to your friends, cosplays, merchandise, etc. And brag about hot much you got 'em! OR, you can go back and go 'oH, wE dIdNt GeT eVeRyThInG wE wAnTeD, sO wE gOt **NoThInG...cAuSe We'Re BiG bAbIeS!!!!!** What's. It gonna be? (Assuming that people decided to be reasonable for a change) Good, now look at Crwby's show and PAY ATTENTION! It's as fair as it'll get (as long as RT's management behaves)! And trust me, it's WAY better than RWDE's version." **Brought to you by your's truely, the Ace Ventura creators (via the series), and inspired by one of Xel's previous videos.....as well as a "thanks for everything you've done" sort of thing**

[@Tyrantlizard874]

A little addendum: turns out, the modified quote is from RUSTY Venture, rather than "Ace" anything. My bad y'all. 💀

[@djsaucy_tonight]

This deserves a round of applause. 👏👏👏👏

[@Tyrantlizard874]

@@djsaucy_tonight Thank you very much, good miss(?). For what's basically an edited copy-paste, this still took a fair amount of effort (especially for a KZbin comment), so happy to see that people appreciate the gesture. 😔🙏

[@Tyrantlizard874]

Honestly? Gay shipping isn't even my cup of tea (so to speak. I'm not LGBQ+ in the slightest), and I STILL enjoyed myself, both in hindsight and that glorious V9 scene. **That's** how I know just how hard the writers went to make this work. Also, that RT behind the scenes stuff REALLY goes to show just how willfully ignorent Crwby's detractors all to often are (like in this very comment section, predictably). Oh, and beyond all that: this video was worth the wait, wacky editing and all. (Especially 42:43 to 43:05. Doubt it was intentional, but it's hilarious all the same. 😆)

[@CrimsonXE]

Fantastic vid, I saw it mentioned elsewhere and will say it myself here that this really is the post v9 edition of "Bumbleby is not forced, and here's why" vid essay in the best way. Further notes (hopefully if this goes according to plan cuts off here with a "read more"): Truly the only way good faith actors can't see what's being shown is ignorance, heteronormativity, and lacking in more mature relationship building. That involving emotional bonding, comfortability, understanding, and more subtle showing of attraction/interest. Instead of immature teen rom-com garbage that has cringey showing of blatant superficial interest. Its even put as what RWBY romance looks like, cause its a through-line in Arkos, Renora, and BB. "It has to be earned" which is exactly right and why I love BB so much, because they put in the time and care to build the two characters in a natural manner to entering into a relationship after realizing their feelings went beyond friendship. Also on the Monty wavelength is that he did the red herring/rug pull on hetero before with Haloid, presenting to the audience (who likely were dudebro gamer types) the idea of Samus x Master Chief (m/f); only to reveal in the end that it wasn't MC but a femme Spartan named Nicole who gets with Samus (wlw). Yang is everything that Adam pretended to be, but for her its legitimate. Strong, kind, understanding, listening & compromising, loving, self-sacrificing, and even ironically enough sympathetic towards faunus equality. I also think it says a lot that Blake even in v3 was putting Yang in the same mental space as a former romantic partner; like not a former friend or whatnot but a romantic partner. Not to mention being annoying when people completely fail to understand where Blake is coming from in her doubts, namely that she's an abuse survivor with a lot of baggage that weighs on her. Seriously if Sun were supposed to be a romantic option, like some try to push; he'd have been right there with Yang going after the in-danger Blake. That should be a clue-in that BB is the romance. On top of that is Armed and Ready furthering it by adding in that Yang's thought was "there's nothing I won't do for her", which is some seriously MC to romantic interest type of thing. I really want to know if that shot of Sun in the background staring at Blake clasping Yang's hand in the foreground was intentional or not. Just cause it screams that it was but I've never seen it confirmed that it was. Sun's attitude towards Blake really doesn't come across well given what she's gone through, especially once one reads the v4-5 comics that show just how deep into depression, self-hatred, & guilt Blake is in at that time. Blake's lines when going off on Sun hits that much harder in the feels after reading her mental state in those comics; like it can't be stated enough just how bad the mental space she's in is. Like I like v1-3 and 5-6 Sun as a bro for Blake, but v4 Sun just really comes across as an asshole. Continuing with that idea, Sun's eavesdropping on Blake's talk w/ Ghira comes across even worse when thinking of how it undermines what little control Blake would feel she had over things in her life. Her control over being vulnerable and who she shows it to, which would also tap into "Adam baggage" as its made very clear how domineering he is. I like Sun as a bro but I also acknowledge his screw ups and shortcomings, which many try to handwave. Yang's wanting to be there for Blake + gently stroking her image in the picture = completely demolishing the notion that Yang was "angry" at Blake. I've been in the space she was in during v5, its a storm of numerous emotions swirling together at the same time. Even though its a small bit and goes between in-universe and out-of-universe: there's a look at -> look away nervously -> look back at gesture Blake does towards Yang as she's rising up from the Vault; which is exactly matching to a gesture done in an episode of Always Open by Arryn and Barb that shows attraction/interest in someone. I really hate how people try to twist Yang grabbing Blake's hand and pulling her out of the Apathy house, namely ignoring that Yang had just had to watch Blake almost get her insides blended while feeling nothing about it due to the Apathy's effect. Ofc she's going to prioritize getting her the hell out of there. The scene pre-Comm Tower is still one of my fav Bees scenes cause its just so cute and also pretty blatant with them being romantically into each other. Like literally only thing missing is Blake brushing her hair behind one of her human ears, which is probably exactly why it wasn't done xD Possibly in the top 5 of the most blatant cases of their romantic build & attraction with "gay panic Yang + blushing Blake in response" being 2nd and ofc the bridge being 1st cause its literally their canonization xD There'd be too many honorable mentions if I started doing that so I'll leave it there. I think it should also be noted that Yang sees the type of verbal and emotional abuse Adam hurls and hurled at Blake that shaped how she became going into Beacon in v1. v4 had Renora facing the embodiment of their trauma via "Nuckles"; v6 had BB facing the embodiment of their trauma via Adam; and both having shot-for-shot airship parallel scenes. It should be noted how Blake also starts regaining her original flirty and cheery self from before Adam as shown in the v4-5 comics with her as a 12-13 year old. So Yang truly mending Blake to her true self. All the rewatches, all the listening to Worthy on its own, all the gifs, and yet that bridge scene still sends my heart racing as my eyes watery. Its just so well done and beautiful. "It couldn't have happened sooner." THANK YOU. Like that is exactly the case, any sooner would've taken away from the relationship.

[@Tyrantlizard874]

THANK YOU!!!!!!! Seriously, I'm not even LGBQ+ myself, and I'm *still* confused as to why the franchise attracts the worst kinds of people. This is representation done the way it's supposed to (I.E in service to the story, rather than the other way around), as well as an unfortunate example of "anti-woke crowds being just as horrible as the thing they seek to destroy", among other things......

[@CrimsonXE]

@@Tyrantlizard874 Originally because dudebro/gamerbro incels that came w/ RvB popularity and back when RT was more aligned to that side of things and they just never paid attention to really Monty himself's own recurring theme in his works. Badass women being badass and even falling for each other in at least one. They expected a run-of-the-mill hetero only anime-sque show, where the guy gets rewarded with his crush girl cause "nice guy". There's also just homophobes and bigots that use the exact same recycled ignorant "logic". Plenty of sexism, bigotry, and homophobia in those veins. I've even seen some go after Barb and Arryn for celebrating the ship that they've been waiting 10 years to see happen calling it clearly pandering and taking advantage of LGBT+ (nvm that Arryn is bi herself and Barb is "on the spectrum") or saying merch for the ship that people have been craving for years is doing so. Yet likely also turn around and say nothing about Marisha and Laura from Critical Role doing the same for Imodna (which I also love). The same type that'd side-line the MC's to boost up male characters, cause they fail to understand what the show is about or what its core is. Like I'm LGBT+ and have a long list of shows that have a romantic pair in them including LGBT+; and RWBY w/ BB is easily top 5. Not only for putting in the time and care to build up the pairing naturally over 9 volumes with numerous arcs between them, but also Blake actually feeling bi rather than "lesbian w/ bi sticker slapped on".

[@Tyrantlizard874]

@@CrimsonXE Yeah, that all sounds about right unfortunately. Thanks for the info, as well. It's just that....well, I'm "on the spectrum" (Autism + ADHD) as well and **off** the 'gay spectrum', and this whole thing still mangages to be mind boggling. That, and there's also the part where I've mostly lost faith in online critique thanks to the RWBY fanbase too, so I legit apologise if that's an issue.

[@CrimsonXE]

@@Tyrantlizard874 I've been in this annoying fight for years now, hearing the same exact garbage over and over again. The really baffling part is that those people will respond to pointing to canon with you being the one that's delusional and making things up. Also trying to call canon as headcanon. I've learned to break it down into 2 camps across media: 1) critique that is valid and based in things like story not making sense or characters not fitting that isn't about bias or preference. "That's a satellite and this is a WW1 era movie, that doesn't make sense"; and 2) "critique" which is fully bias and preference which goes into even things like the anti-woke cis-hetero male only space. "This movie is horrible cause its shoving LGBT+ down people's throats and >insert character< is just so mistreated.". Cause its not even limited to RWBY, in regards to LGBT+ the only ones that can get by without the disgusting parade are like softcore porn ones that give the male incels service to get off to. Treat LGBT+ with respect and its whining ahoy. Even Horizon Forbidden West had to deal with the garbage. Trying to keep that vague to not risk spoiling anything.

[@Tyrantlizard874]

​@@CrimsonXEWell, at the very least, I'm thankful that, here at least, I can appreciate people who have this practically extinct trait known as "common sense", and I get the impression that so do you. High five. 🖐

[@dragonforce627]

Absolutely amazing video, I'm so happy to see so much positivity about Bumbleby. I've been shipping Blake and Yang for quite a while, Blake and Yang have been my favorite characters in RWBY since the beginning. I was so happy to see them finally confess their love for each other!

[@xelwriter5485]

Thanks so much for the kind words, I am glad I was able to be of service! Same on all fronts!

[@banilemim]

I love that you brought up Ilia!!! The point that Sun and Ilia are narrative foils is genius!!! Also people tend to not include Ilia in the bee journey, which is such a shame since she did contribute a lot to it!!! Thank you for making this video!!!

[@xelwriter5485]

Thank you and honestly it flabbergasts me when people wanna discuss the BB narrative and don't bring her up, cos like, she's right there, serving as a narrative foil to the other would be love interest who is a friend, how can it be ignored?! XD Thanks for the comment!

[@banilemim]

@@xelwriter5485 YEAAAHH!!!

[@harmonyheart9491]

You really captured what makes this ship so great and how well it's written. Can't wait to see our girls take the next step together as girlfriends

[@xelwriter5485]

Thanks so much I am so glad I did this wonderful romance justice and same!

[@romualdcaffeserre6230]

Very good work keep it up

[@xelwriter5485]

Thank you I shall try to!

[@xelwriter5485]

I have removed @exaltedfalcheon1793 from the channel, the reasons being the following: Spam posting, trolling and dishonest debate conduct. IE, making multiple posts all repeating the same basic line designed specially to antagonize readers and opening dissenting statements with stuff like, "But I am just a homophobe for saying that right", essentially putting themself into some kind of victimized position where-in anyone who disagrees with them is both bullying them and making 'baseless' accusations. If you can't maintain at least basic decorum don't bother posting, I don't waste time with spam, liars or trolls cos ya know, stuff to do.

[@Tyrantlizard874]

Welp, the ban hammer wielded by "itchy trigger fingers" finally arrives. And yeah, basically using human decency as a hostage meat shield is a **special** kind of underhanded. And somewhat expected, sadly......

[@Tyrantlizard874]

Also, have you seen the replies to the "BB haters" meme I posted? I feel like you'd have something to say in the discussion down there, though I acknowledge that you're already pretty busy as it is, so I'm just pointing it out here.

[@xelwriter5485]

Hah, pretty much XD My view is if you can't even feign have a real discussion don't bother turning up. Its why I left that fairly rude but still conversational person further down. Yeah I don't thin their arguments hod water but at least they tried to engage in something other than petulant name calling and worse @@Tyrantlizard874

[@xelwriter5485]

I am unsure I've seen it, sorry, my alerts are still all messed up half the time >< @@Tyrantlizard874

[@Tyrantlizard874]

@@xelwriter5485 For that second comment, I'm refering to the one with the funky text font (tHiS OnE) that also has the video down at the bottom

[@Citadel_Of_My_Thoughts]

Brilliant summation of the most beautiful romance in media. Well done, friend.

[@xelwriter5485]

Thank you so much!

[@SSnoIdontWantOne]

I so appreciate seeing others point out all the little things that built up for this. It was like Legend of Korra but longer drawn out and like, "am I crazy?" Oh no.. there are other people seeing signs too.

[@xelwriter5485]

So glad I was helpful, I think the other advantage RWBY had was CRWBY knowing they could do it from the start, while with Korra the writers had to be very, very careful to thread that needle or lose everything.

[@xelwriter5485]

I have also been forced to remove @yugotokusatsu289 from the channel, the reasons being spam posting and deceitful conduct: The spam posts were barely ever more than three words, all of them insulting including calling fans an "Infestation" while the deceitfulness was rooted in denying objective reality when it comes to statements made by people on the show and of events that happened in the show itself. If you need to lie to win then you have already lost.

[@Tyrantlizard874]

For better or worse, some of their (and the other banned person's) comments are still here if somebody repied to them and vice-versa. Just a heads up, in case you intend on a total purge here. Oh, and I suspect that a certain red-eyed penguin is another Insidious/PartyRocks666 (forgot the actual number, and I don't care enough to check) situation ready to happen (if it hasn't already), so I'm just here ready with the popcorn.

[@xelwriter5485]

Dammit, I'll do some digging, thanks @@Tyrantlizard874

[@xelwriter5485]

I can't seem to find them, can you possibly link them to me and also maybe save the links just in case YT erases them @@Tyrantlizard874

[@Tyrantlizard874]

@@xelwriter5485 .....and apparently, they're completely gone now. Must've gotten corrected by KZbin only **after** my assist attempt. Ah well, I'll remember the links thing for next time, so I'll see what I can do later. Edit: JUST realized that my original comment got auto--deleted AGAIN. Seriously, I'm still asking the same question you and everybody else here is: *WHAT'S GOING ON!?* And here I was just trying to help. Gosh darn it, KZbin......

[@xelwriter5485]

Blaaaag why won't YT fix this stupid error, I think some of my own comments have disappeared at this point!! @@Tyrantlizard874

[@julesbelieves9662]

This was a most wonderful experience. I adored this analysis. Thank you so much

[@xelwriter5485]

Thank you for this wonderful comment, I am so glad you enjoyed this piece!

[@BeetleTricks411]

What would you consider the turning point for Blake and Yang in terms of being more drawn to one another. For example with Rosegarden even if not canon you could say for Oscar drawn to Ruby was Volume 5 lifting up others like she usually does, and Ruby it was Volume 6 due to Oscar being utilizing his emotionally sensitivity and sincerity from living on a farm like Tippetarius more properly

[@xelwriter5485]

Interesting question, if I had to say, for Blake it was probably Burning the Candle though I don't think she consciously realized it. Yang would need to come before that as I am a Yang fell first, Blake fell harder truther, but its harder to place given how the story relies more on subtle background build up than big moments 9 times out of ten, so I'd say it started more as a crush she wasn't entirely aware of and grew from there.

[@namesarentimportant1]

Bumbleby haters are going to find this so infuriating. Great video, the story and growth is amazing between those two and what a slow burn.

[@CaseyG-go6js]

Who cares about the haters

[@Tyrantlizard874]

@@CaseyG-go6js other haters of the series in general, unfortunately......

[@CaseyG-go6js]

@@Tyrantlizard874 There are haters for literally everything so why pay attention to them lol. Just let them be

[@Tyrantlizard874]

@@CaseyG-go6js true, though simply "leaving them be" is far easier said than done I'm afraid.....

[@CaseyG-go6js]

@@Tyrantlizard874 Eh not really. All you have to do is ignore them and then they're essentially ranting to a wall or block them and move on. They can only access your space if you let them you know plus it's pretty easy to regulate comments on KZbin, so if OP wanted to they could easily block the person and get rid of any nasty comments they see and keep things more peaceful

[@Vinylmelody1517]

I remember how mad some anti bumblebee people were when Bmblb was released. Funny in hindsight

[@xelwriter5485]

They were so bitter & screeching how "Its not canon,! A song doesn't make it canon!" Well look whose canon now babies!

[@Tyrantlizard874]

Same goes for the exact reverse of everything both of you said too: Didn't the same people dismissing Bumbleby's songs ALSO claim that BlackSun's songs were strong evidence too? Oh the hypocritical irony.....

[@spencermalley10]

Is there anyone you think would be a good romantic match for Sun "deserves better than aquaphobe millhouse" Wukong?

[@xelwriter5485]

Not off the top of my head. A friend of mine like Ruby/Sun and kinda got me neutral on it but otherwise not that I can think of.

[@spencermalley10]

@xelwriter5485 Shame. Ruby/Sun would be pretty hilarious, though. Sun would be all, "All right, Xiao Long, you took my waifu, so I'll take your little sister. Equivalent exchange"

[@xelwriter5485]

Sorry @@spencermalley10 Ruby: And what makes you think you're the one leading the charge here? >:3c

[@thegneech]

Honestly, Nora would be a good match for Sun, except, y'know, Ren's right there...

[@xelwriter5485]

Huh, yeah they would be quite fun actually, good insight @@thegneech

[@matthewpaul6904]

What do we Bumblebee fans call ourselves? The swarm? The hive?

[@Tyrantlizard874]

I dunno either. All I know is that, not counting all the haters, "RWBY-fan apes together strong!" **monkey noises** (Yes, that was a Party Crashers reference. Bite me)

[@xelwriter5485]

I'm not sure if we have a group name, but that is a cute idea!

[@bluecheese7447]

You made me wait toooo long for this video😩😩😩😩

[@xelwriter5485]

Sorry!

[@eren34558]

Well done! You really gotta show this elsewhere!

[@xelwriter5485]

Thanks and if it helps I did share it on twitter, tumblr and reddit, but feel free to share elsewhere if you like!

[@PrismaticFlower-zi8hi]

I have noticed a concerning trend in people to treat criticism as an important message that the writers must read to right properly. Whenever in reality, criticisms are essentially opinion pieces. They are all going to be different, whether due to people having different experiences, different tastes, or recognizing different stuff. Even just in this video, Xel has pointed out multiple parts that others don't necessarily notice or even consider. That doesn't necessarily mean their criticisms are wrong. Someone not noticing is something that can be critiqued since it didn't get the message across to that person. Different people have different ideas and thought processes, so someone not seeing Bumblebee signs early on can also act as a critique, since to them it wasn't actually a sign of Bumblebee. Neither of these has to be false for Xel's video to be true. But too many people try to make it binary. Too many people see that someone didn't notice Bumblebee developing to mean that Xel is wrong. Too many people don't consider the early signs of it to actually be signs too, and decide that Xel is wrong. And this has become a real problem. Critique cannot, and should not, be a binary thing. It should not be that it's a bad show or a good show. It should be that it failed to get its message across to this person. It failed to garner the attention of someone with this background. And it should also be the opposite. Ultimately, critique is related to the self and how it perceives everything, and every critique is going to be colored by your personality. This also means that critique is not something that needs to be noticed by the producers. Because sentimentally, there are too many critiques out there with varying opinions to actually be useful. And it's further hampered by the fact that critiques both utilize hindsight and are about already published work. I mean, it should be pretty obvious that creating a critique about V1-3 6 years after it was released isn't going to actually help unless you show how any problems are still happening. Right? Guys... you're scaring me here. Though now to actually be serious, critique is also highly overrated in that it's not as simple as just doing what the critic is saying. Whatever the critic is saying is broken and could easily be a plot point in the future. And for example, let's just look at Bumblebee. Getting rid of it now after so long isn't going to actually fix anything, it will just break even more things, as the story itself would need to bend to justify why they suddenly broke up and Blake back at Sun's side again. That wouldn't be a useful critique at all. And there is simply too much critique out there that it's nearly impossible for anyone to be able to sort out the useful critique from the rest, especially since some of that critique would have been useful before the production of a certain season, but not after that volume was produced. TL;DR if my post above doesn't make any sense: Critique isn't inherently good to have. It relies on your own personal experiences to determine whether you consider something a problem, and it doesn't disqualify other people who don't consider it a problem. It's not something that is a simple binary. Writers themselves can't accurately use critique, since it in hindsight, might end up affecting a future plot point, changing to match the critique might negatively harm the show, and the critique itself might not be considered a problem by the writers, who themselves have different ideas and personalities. Along with that, there is so much critique that producers can't really sort through it all of the time to find critiques that work.

[@xelwriter5485]

Interesting take

[@RWBYfangirl9320]

I love this couple. This couple stands out to me more than any other couple. Ik people keep saying that this couple is the worst and doesn’t have enough development. But idc what they say. I see that a slow burn Development in my eyes, works. I did research on the couple and the more knowledgeable about this couple, the more I love this couple. And I love that the crew and the cast love this couple sooo much, they waited for a long while to reach this point. I’m soooo happy for both Blake and Yang and their relationship 🖤💛🐝 Love the video 👍

[@xelwriter5485]

Bumbleby is amazing, those who didn't see the build up just jammed needles in their eyes out of spite or bigotry.

[@matt0044]

The detractors below seem to follow a train of thought about your takes and reading on certain scenes being little more than "headcanons." To me, you definately did plenty of leg work to support your arguements and this video shows how far you've come since your smaller scale videos. To others, they set up this "Pics or GTFO" goalpost that's set up on wheels so it can always move back. Did that last part make sense? Basically, I'd hate to blame CinemaSins for this since they're only one part of a problem that's as old as Fandom itself: the desire to be "right" at the cost of imagination of how something that might not do it for them might actually work. Funny, considering that the Pro-Adam portion of them will defer to what are interpretations at best and actual headcanon at worst.

[@Tyrantlizard874]

By the looks of it, they've had to move the goalpost so much that they might as well have ran the entire Indy 500 on foot or something. But yeah, pretty much explains why the BB haters (and really, RWBY ""critics"" in general) tick me off so much, dispite not being a superfan of the ship myself: WHY IS IT SO HARD TO JUST SAY "I was wrong. This is well done, just not in the way that I wanted" PEOPLE!? But no, they just **had** to basically lie, cheat, and even steal (V9 got super pirated. And I think we all know why), all to try to prove some superiority that they never had to begin with. Ugh....

[@matt0044]

@@Tyrantlizard874 Even pirating and talking about the thing is pretty counter intuitive.

[@Tyrantlizard874]

@@matt0044 Very true. Then again, so is everything else they do, which honestly is just a symptom of the all too widespread plague of scammers that is the modern online critic in of itself......

[@Helloandwelcome55]

@@Tyrantlizard874They also love to play victim like crazy.

[@Tyrantlizard874]

@@Helloandwelcome55 ALSO true, sadly. And rather Ironic, considering that they themselves love to go "wElL aLl CrItIcIsM iS vAlId"..... except when personal accountability is involved. **facepalms**

[@maxentirunos]

It's kinda weird, you know That despite this video having 1.2k views and a quarters of the ratio being dislikes, there isn't any counter argument comment here, not even troll ones.

[@CrimsonXE]

Cause they know full well anything they have to say would be called what it is and torn apart. That being salty, homophobic, and inaccurate to the point where some have some entire other AU memory of the show. Like I've run across one person elsewhere trying to say how BS was given so many songs before v6, when that isn't at all remotely the case. Or them acting like BS had emotional bonding, major events, and Sun totally fighting Adam; when none of those really happened except in their heads.

[@CrimsonXE]

@@CelticPhoenix Of all the people to step into this territory its the sexist, racist, transphobic, homophobic (unless its to appeal to cis-het males), openly doing an asspull to bring back a fav character, ignorant, obnoxious jackass of them all. As if your straight know-nothing ass has a clue about LGBT+ romance or romance in general, especially given your nudge-nudge wink-wink towards putting a victim of racism (Velvet) with the one that aimed racism at her (Cardin). There's nothing wrong with this vid as someone that's been watching the show since 2012, has been in lockstep with it the whole time in noticing the BB builds, is LGBT+, and knows what actually builds long-term mature romances. I'd burn through character limit just going through everything wrong just one of your vids; nvm trying to cover them all. A brief covering of it: faunus "heat cycles"; art that suggests Ruby blushing at Roman; a completely out of place sauna scene; trying to make a creepy ass shitbag like Shay into a "nice character; femme main characters being shoved to the back to push forward male characters instead; playing the worlds smallest violin for Adam (and likely Ironwood in the future); etc. On top of that you have the sexist bigoted bitch Kaiser who doesn't have a clue on the show, BB, or the writing mature characters overall. Xel is fully within their right to block who they want to maintain their space, especially in the case of your post just now that can count as advertising your content on their content in a malicious manner. Given that its you and Kaiser, it'd be 5hrs of obnoxious cis-het incel men shitting on an LGBT+ ship from a place steaming with homophobia, sexism, and ignorance from people that like to hear themselves talk.

[@CrimsonXE]

@@CelticPhoenix Its never a "pleasure" when involving you or the rest of the braindead sexist bigot incel squad. Also regardless of who you aimed your comment at, it not only popped MY notifications but also is on a PUBLIC forum open to anyone jumping in on it. [Slander: the action or crime of making a *false* spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.] There's not a slander or to be more precise not a lie or false statement in what I've said. Its all born from having seen your bullshit personally and knowing its accurate. As for intentions, oh its very clear what those are just going by the aforementioned things that paint a sexist obnoxious picture. Not to mention some racism be it surface level or deeper involved going by the putting racism victim with racist victimizer + faunus heat cycles + trying to expand said racist's story out to try to redeem him; said racist being a white douchebro male that barely anyone in the viewership liked or saw worthy of being redeemed due to his core personality. Yet you latched onto him, really doesn't take a lot to make assumptions there. But that is actual conjecture/ speculation rather than fact; though only because I haven't fact checked a twitter post of yours that also ran into racist territories. Oh so I can boost your engagement + deal with your sycophant followers that repeat the exact same garbage over and over again, then ignore facts to instead call me delusional (cause facts able to be pointed out in the show and my own lived experience as an LGBT+ person don't count in their minds)? nah, like don't get me wrong I love swatting flies but its boring after hearing the exact same homophobic/ignorant dogwhistles over and over again, then being told I'm delusional for knowing canon. Oh and the "you're coming into their comments attacking them, TOXIC!". So nah, think I'll stay where I am. Its also rich coming from you who came into this comment section with a link to a clearly bad-faith bigoted anti-BB vid from people that don't have a clue on the show, the relationship, the characters, or irl LGBT+. Disagree all you want, everything I've "asserted" by you is based on shit your ass has put out or views expressed by you. Good for you, Kaiser on the other side made a 2hr vid of bigoted ignorant bullshit trying to tear down a gold tier LGBT+ romance as a cis-hetero male; then proceeded to talk over LGBT+ people that called his ass out on it. Be nice or kind to one's select group of "friends" or circle jerk more like, doesn't equate to being non-bigoted/non-homophobic/non-sexist. There's plenty of irl celebrities, political figures, etc that'd try to use that to defend themselves akin to "But I have a Black friend." As for your 3rd: I know nothing about them, thus don't have the same things to put on them. I also haven't watched the vid to see if they share you and Kaiser's views, but if they do then they can be put in the same camp. In other words it isn't a matter of discriminating, its a setting them to the side with benefit of the doubt that they aren't as disgusting and shitty as the other two. Going by your statement just now I should've just assumed that they were just as disgusting and shitty as you two by association and thus going for the throat towards someone I know nothing about. If anything I'm guilty of being compassionate towards someone unfortunate enough to be associating with you and idealistically thinking their better than you and Kaiser. Anyone that wants to try to suggest it was sexist, queerphobic, or ablest is free to do so and then get torn apart when I present my history. Considering that history involves standing up for women's rights & a preference towards femme led shows & media as well as taking issue with them being turned into walking fanservice or degraded to boost up a male character; I am LGBT+ and have a long list of media with LGBT+ romances and characters in them that I love as well as being anti-terf, pro-trans; and ablest is a mixed bag because no one has a clear cut concept of what it looks like. I can both stand by that and step in to defend myself any day of the week. So yeah, go fk yourself cause I'm not giving a "have a nice day" to someone like you. Especially in this case where you try to bring your anti-BB bigoted garbage to this vid.

[@KaiserShounen]

@@CrimsonXE Hey, Crimson. Nice to see you remember me. However, your memory is a little off. My video didn’t even make the 1 hour mark. But hey, don’t let me stop you from giving me so much credit. Also, I am very confused (mainly about how my video was homophobic, but I’m sure we’ll get to that later). But what puzzles me is the part where you say that I “then proceeded to talk over LGBT+ people that called his ass out on it”. How exactly can I talk over someone… in a comment section??? It definitely wasn’t, since I left you alone until I gift-wrapped you a response video, which is the one IMMEDIATELY after the Bumblebee one. There were two other people who disagreed with me, but one of them didn’t even watch the full video and made a bunch of assumptions (and you know what we say about those), and the other not only didn’t watch the video but also insulting me for even daring to think the ship wasn’t good. It's not exactly a good call-out post, but maybe that's just me. Now, on to the homophobic angle. Seriously man. Throughout my video, I barely even reference Blake and Yang’s sexuality at all, and pretty much every single gripe I have with the pairing has to do with how it was written. Most people who would disagree would simply say that I am wrong, and we can actually engage in a good-faith discussion. But I guess that just isn’t enough for you. The only way you could even fathom that my video was biased against Bumblebee BECAUSE they are gay (because that's how homophobia works) or if my video resulted in harmful homophobic outcomes is if I do not hold the same standard for straight ships. And since we are in the mood of sharing each other's history, allow me to share mine (aside from irl stuff because I want to keep that private lol): 1. I made a TWO-PART video (1hr in total) explaining my thoughts on why RenNora was a badly written relationship using very similar standards to how I judged Bumblebee. Don’t thank me for reminding you about that. I’m sure it was easy to miss. And I have even said publicly that Arkos wasn’t good either. And no LGBT+ people, to my knowledge, were harassed. 2. In my Bumblebee, my response video to you, and even my recent addendum, I made many tips for how the ship would be written better, mainly involving giving them MORE screen time to flesh them out. But I guess wanting more scenes is an anti-gay tactic now. Good to know. 3. In case the two above are somehow not enough, there are several hetero ships in media that I think are bad for many of the same reasons as Bumblebee. Here’s a short list: Sakura X Sasuke (Naruto), Heero x Relena (Gundam Wing, pretty much insert 90% of canon Gundam ships in here), Deku x Ochaco, Kenshin x Kaoru, insert almost any Gundam romance, Marinette x Adrien, Starco, Danny X Sam, Lion-O x Cheetara, and Mordecai X CJ/Margeret to name a few off the top of my head. But hey, if you’re in the mood to defend these ships as well, be my guest. Agree with me about the ship or don’t; just keep the moralizing out of it, friend. If you wanna chat, name the time and place.

[@CrimsonXE]

​@@KaiserShounen Considering how often I've gotten pulled back into your comments and just how disgusting you & said comment section are; it'd be unusual for me to not unfortunately. Especially considering the amount of sexism, homophobia, ignorance, pulling double standards, and disgustingly attacking the VA's going on there. Also "credit" rofl, um no if anything it dragged on. Especially given a lot of it was the same ignorant, sexist, and just flat-out bullshit bullet points that all your type do towards not even just BB; but towards 90% of LGBT+ pairs just with different surface level paint on it. Things that are easily debunked paired with a complete lacking in knowing relationship development outside of "teen rom-com". Let's see: peddling ignorant dumbass shots at an LGBT+ ship, including multiple bigoted dogwhistles; over-talking LGBT+ on an LGBT+ ship with both your ignorance and homophobia on full display; and even going on to essentially endorse the more disgusting comments in your comment section. Yeah, see you're blocked so whatever vid you put up I didn't see and probably am better off without having seen it. Cause I've already seen enough of your bigoted sexist know-nothing braindead bullshit that is stuck at again the level of a teen rom-com to last me a good amount of time. Do you think I expect your cesspit of a viewership to go against you? ROFL, even setting aside the sycophantic aspect that your type attracts; there's also just the homophobes that want somewhere to spew their disgusting commentary towards an LGBT+ ship. Which your ass provided for them and joined them in no less. Ones that when presented with FACTS and CANON try to call the party presenting them as delusional or creating headcanon. BB happening hurts their poor wittle feelings, so facts, canon, and reality don't matter. The reality is that I called out every single issue in your bad faith, sexist, and bigoted hack job of a vid that is riddled with your own idiotic shortcomings and ignorances. You legit had someone claiming how there were sooooooo many BS songs pre-v6, when nope there's not a single one; but they were adamant about it being a thing. Which represents your vid and those aligning to it pretty accurately. A bunch of know-nothing, sexist, and homophobic incels trying to tear down an LGBT+ ship. Here's a newsflash if your talking points pop up in regards to every single LGBT+ ship across media, then its more of a problem with your own homophobia and you reaching for ignorance-based bullshit to take an issue with something. Regardless I go back to that vid being a cesspit of the more disgusting elements of the shitdom & HTDM. I stand by every single thing I said because its all from either canon/reality, factual, or from my own lived experience as an LGBT+ person. You on the other hand have nothing but salty sexist homophobic bullshit backed up by nothing, but you not liking it. Everything you state can be debunked and torn apart as a result, but then your little dipshit ass plays victim or deflects. Call out posts don't need to get thumbs ups, they just y'know call out the bullshit. And I can guarantee there's more pro-BB people than your type, as evidenced by newcomers, neutrals, and especially a majority of LGBT+ being happy/ecstatic with BB. Its only disgusting bigoted pissants like you that have an issue, which says plenty. You really are braindead, huh? Or just mentally incapable of words, statements, views speaking for you. You a cis-hetero moron made an entire vid bashing an LGBT+ pair with right-wing homophobic dogwhistles that are hurled at every single LGBT+ pairing there is; you puffing up the hetero alt; over speaking LGBT+ that pushed against your shit; essentially endorsing the disgusting bigoted people in your cesspit of a comment section, and even the state of that cesspit reflecting what your vid does. That's not even diving into you intentionally ignoring things that were in the show or require even a basic level of reasoning and media literacy to get. Dumbass you shit on BB, yet raise up BS; dismiss moments and builds for BB, yet act like BS has a damn red carpet; and again are a fking cis-hetero incel dumbass parroting the same homophobic bullshit that is hurled at every LGBT+ pairing in media. Literally I could pull your bullshit up alongside Harlivy bullshit bigots to have the EXACT SAME SHIT, because once again its born from your own ignorant ass not knowing what you're talking about. Which is why cis-hetero shitbags need to stfu about LGBT+ pairings. And don't even fking try to pull the "the moments for BB were debatable at best", cause as of v9 NO THEY AREN'T. Because of that every single moment of "is this romantic build or is this platonic" flipped to "its ROMANTIC BUILD". Burning the Candle was ROMANTIC BUILD; the confrontation with Adam was ROMANTIC BUILD; etc. And don't even get me started on your disgusting ass view towards Blake and failure to understand where v4-5 Yang was at in terms of her feelings towards her; where your moronic ass acts like she's raging. Likely cause you don't have a clue what its like to be in that emotional storm state, well I do. Not to mention the numerous things that basically tell the audience that Yang isn't really angry but hurt when it comes to Blake. But y'kow your dumbass has to make it a bash. 1. I don't really care as all that does is once again re-iterate that your dumbass doesn't have a damn clue on relationships. On top of that it doesn't even fully apply, because I highly doubt you pulled out the same dogwhistles for them that you did for Renora based in ignorance & homophobia. Though I can totally imagine you going sexist towards Nora. Though I'd likely tear your ass a new one over Renora too, because I'd wager you use hole-riddle bullshit against them. 2. Once again haven't seen it, but also probably just more of your sexist and homophobic garbage being spewed; because your entire approach is that you're right everyone else is wrong. When you can be directly proven wrong by those that watch the show, pay attention, and have no hetero filters. The scenes the two have are more than enough to establish their relationship, while also balancing with y'know the bigger story; because to quote someone else here "it isn't the BB show". Using that to attack the LGBT+ pairing and in a manner that attempts to act like what they do have isn't enough = another of those homophobe dogwhistles they love to run to. As I've said to others and will repeat to you: RWBY is NOT a yuri/shoujo-ai that revolves around BB. In other words your ass doesn't care about the time, you're just reaching for something to swing at the pair. Also you once again dismiss the moments that BB does have, while trying to boost up BS's nothingness. 3. The only pair in that list I'd defend via knowing them would be Kaoru/Kenshin; because they bond over the series. But again I'd wager the issue is them not drooling over each other enough for it to register for your stunted ass. Sasuke/ Sakura is in absolutely fking no way in the same vein as BB, but congrats on even in this showing your clueless ass for what it is. Raelle/Scylla (Motherland: Fort Salem), Ava/Beatrice (Warrior Nun), Harlivy (Harley Quinn the Animated Series), Imodna (Critical Role campaign 3), BeauYasha (Critical Role campaign 2), Sammy/Yaz (Jurassic Park: Camp Cretaceous), Cait/Vi (Arcane), Ada/Leon (Resident Evil series), and even the oddball out: Kate/Anthony (Bridgerton s2) all have elements similar to BB. I'll stick right where I am seeing you as the sexist, homophobic, ignorant, braindead, stunted, and know-nothing incel that you are. One that relies on spins, lies, ignoring of reality, denial of facts, dismissing of moments, and doesn't hold up against someone that knows their shit. All cause "LGBT+ ship". I'm someone that is within the LGBT+ bracket and has enjoyed numerous LGBT+ pairs across media as well as hetero ones, based on elements that actually make relationships. And it sure as fk isn't drooling or gushing at each other. My advice is for your cis-hetero incel ass to sit the fk down and shut the fk up. Especially since your entire personality has "knock my ass out" energy. I can assure you that I'm not the type that's going to back down or go along with your garbage. I have no issue tearing into you or your sycophants as I demonstrated in the comments of your vid, where the recurring theme was either ignoring or trying to dismiss away facts & reality.

[@revisitedgrunt3706]

This was an amazing video essay. You did a fantastic job. It constantly annoyed me when, to start, people thought that Bumbleby was a crack ship and would never happen, simply because Sun winked at Blake as he ran past her. Then, when it became increasingly overt in Volume 6, we started to hear the “it came out of nowhere” arguments. As you have expertly pointed out, no it really didn't. The people that constantly complained were either homophobic, ignorant, or had absolutely no media literacy whatsoever. Once again, great job.

[@xelwriter5485]

Thanks so much for the kind words and well said!

[@Helloandwelcome55]

Really wish people could just see this with their own eyes, but instead they simp for an abuser like Adam.

[@christopherpeelerii9700]

adam should have been a mentor to blake not a love interest people are upset of how his character was handeld not because they simp for him

[@Helloandwelcome55]

@@christopherpeelerii9700Well he was never a mentor to her, don’t know where people got that idea from and oh please you have not seen half of Adam meat riding, some say Blake was the abuser or say he was ment to be a hero, I mean just look at his design.

[@christopherpeelerii9700]

@@Helloandwelcome55 it was litteraly stated in rwby vol 2 when blake says adam was a mentor to her . and i never said adam was supposed to be a good guy i just think his potential as a villain were wasted. he could have been a morely grey character who fought for the fanus rights and stood up against human oppresion and used leathal violence to achieve equality for fanus.now if they were going to make him a different character who callous and uncaring about others it could have been done without making him a crazy ex boyfriend.adem could have had traits similar to koba from the planet of the apes series who wants start a war with the humans in order to save the apes and have his revenge but who will also kill any ape who disagrees with him.adam had very little fights senes in the series we never get into his backstory on what caused his to become this monster that he is now .they never had wiess see the scar that was on adams face or have ruby intereact with the person who cut of her sister arm.and yang should have had panic attacks during her fight with adam.and the reason people are calling blake an abuiser was because how she was treating sun.this comment was really long and just needed to explain my issues with the show.

[@Helloandwelcome55]

@@christopherpeelerii9700Yes he was a mentor to her and clearly something more, also a half truth. All this other stuff is literally just being to upset the show isn’t going in the direction that you want. I’m sorry what Freedom fighter wears a damm GRIMM MASK that’s not exactly subtle, why do you think Blake left in the first place it’s turned into a terrorist organization? And of course you agree with them that Blake is the abuser, even though why would she not be an emotional mess after seeing her teammates arm be cut off in front of her and Sun was wouldn’t just stop minding his own business. Stuff like Yang having a panic attack mid fight would make her entire recovery arc pointless. Don’t know why you had write an entire essay going on about where you WISH the show went not how to possibly improve it, two very different things. That’s fanfiction if you want to write that that’s on you not the writers of the actual show.

[@xelwriter5485]

Gosh mood :/

[@matthewmccoyd2578]

Aka, the better Beauty and the Beast remake

[@xelwriter5485]

XD

[@atlas3556]

*the shitty discount Beauty and the Beast which destroys the racism subplot for the sake of a ship

[@matthewmccoyd2578]

@@atlas3556 Oh, crawl back to the Red Sea, salty boi

[@atlas3556]

@@matthewmccoyd2578 POV: no argument Adam is the audience's intermediary visually for the White Fang. In pushing the awful "abuser" plot, it ends up creating a negative impression of the White Fang... who are fighting against abuse that Faunus like Adam suffered. It also paints everyone who is loyal to Adam as evil.... even though these groups are FAR more complicated. Adam's takeover makes no sense logically either; if he was so unstable and narcissistic and openly violent, he wouldn't be able to acquire enough power to overthrow a terrorist leadership. And his "charisma" is never displayed; he's either ranting like a lunatic, or being edgy and weird - the polar opposites of successful terrorist leaders like Prabhakaran (LTTE), who actually went out of their way to cultivate a cult of personality - having actual charm, which Adam lacks. Sienna Khan shouldn't have stayed in power for so long if she didn't have a strong cult of personality, yet everyone decides to just side with Adam out of the blue. It's all crappily shaping up for the showdown at Haven, but the whole thing is fundamentally broken. In the end, Blake's faction is portrayed as the pure good guys, while everyone under Adam gets painted as a lunatic like their leader. It's not realistic, it's moronic.

[@atlas3556]

@@matthewmccoyd2578 also, what is Yang? The beast? She's not the beast, but instead more fits Gaston unironically - she's willing to disregard everyone, including her own half sister while she's breaking down under stress, for Blake. Adam also doesn't fit the beast because his portrayel is so comedically bad it's impossible to believe that a loser like him could even exist - he's more the crowd that joins Gaston, on steroids. There is no "Beast" or "Gaston" here. There's nothing painting Adam as "Gaston" because Gaston was charming but secretly shallow - we never SEE that side of Adam. His goal of destroying humanity - his bloodlust - is made clear. There's no "secret side" to Adam, he's as he appears; an angry edgelord.

[@starlightwoah]

LESBIANS!!!! being real, this video is incredibly well written and deserves way more attention than its getting!! keep doing what you do, this is awesome.

[@xelwriter5485]

Big mood and shall do, thank you!

[@Helloandwelcome55]

Arm yourself the Bumblebee haters will be summoned soon Edit: Yup there already here

[@xelwriter5485]

Let them come, I have a block button and an itchy trigger finger X3

[@Tyrantlizard874]

​​​@@xelwriter5485 I'm just going to keep my distance and grab some popcorn for this one, cause there's already a blatant troll in the comments and I do NOT want to get caught in the crossfire. O.o

[@CaseyG-go6js]

Who cares about the bumblebee haters

[@Tyrantlizard874]

@@xelwriter5485 Also, dunno if you even remember my mentioning of a "pet project" of mine a long ways back (you'll see which one at the end).....but it's here in the comments, and while I'm not trying to force said comment getting pinned....I legit wrote rough drafts ever since the announcement of this very video forever ago, all because it's a message that definately needs thrown out there these days, so do what you want to I guess?

[@xelwriter5485]

Hmm, sorry I am very sleepy could you share more details @@Tyrantlizard874

[@lookinforgoodshowsz]

I heard the strangest thing today. I was told that the more fanfiction of a property (in this case RWBY) it means the more hated and badly written the source material is. That just floored me it was so against everything I had ever believed about writing I just didn't know how to respond or better yet refute such a damaging claim that was quickly trumpeted by about a dozen others.

[@Tyrantlizard874]

By that logic, Danganronpa is complete trash, cause there's a TON of fanfiction available for **that** franchise. I'm willing to bet you see the problem here, along with the fact that......maybe simple age is a factor? Funny how THIS is not a consideration either.....

[@xelwriter5485]

Its a weird claim, though if one squints you can see it with some series like Fullmetall Alchemist not having tons of fics. However its also blatantly disproved by say, ATLA having tons of fics. So its basically one of those "I will only choose to sample evidence that supports the conclusion I made before I did my research" claims.

[@KillaCheeto56]

I didn't come into RWBY for the ships, but rather the fights, cool weapons, and crazy monsters. So, saying this as someone who isn't much of a shipper, I have one big question. Why did Bumblebee and Black Sun become the most talked about ships. Like, what makes them so special? Edit: I just want to make it clear, this isn't me hating on the ships, just genuine curiosity about why they blew up so much.

[@Tyrantlizard874]

I feel like Monty Ohm himself had something to do with Bumbleby, at least. After all, he did strongly support the idea of queer characters in RWBY, so it's natural that people will get attached to the idea. Then again, the internet **loves** to ship everything with a pulse too......even when it makes no sense, logically OR morally. Beautifully well done either way, even if I didn't think much of it pre-V9. As for BlackSun.......**sigh** nothing against the ship itself OR Sun as a character mentioned myself, but I've seen too many people use both as a means to be as spiteful to Crwby and their fans (plus Bumbleby shippers) as Adam is to everyone around *him*, so I wouldn't be suprised if BlackSun got popular as a hate tool of sorts...

[@KillaCheeto56]

@Tyrantlizard874 Thanks for the answer. I've been trying to get one for a while now. That point about shipping everyone with a pulse is hilariously on point. I don't really think Black Sun was born purely from a place of hate for Bumbleby since I saw people start shipping both around the same time. I wonder if RT should have made it more obvious that Black Sun wasn't happening to possibly try and quell the ship war in some way. It would still happen, of course, because the internet will be the internet, but maybe on a less intense scale. I think the BB hate would a little less toxic if RT didn't have the characters comment on their relationship in the show when the two of them would show any form of romantic interactions with each other. Especially since the other ships like Renora and Arkos didn't have that happen as far as I remember. If I were to pick a side, I think I would go with Black Sun purely because it would likely give Sun more screentime. And with more Sun on screen, we get more Gunchucks on screen. And that's always welcome.

[@Tyrantlizard874]

@@KillaCheeto56 You're welcome, though I have to warn you that I'm not the best informed when it comes to the online landscape. Problably for the best, given how the RWBY critics managed to kill my faith in online critique. Xel would definitely know for sure, though. Anyway, considering that the fanbase seems to go out of it's way to misinterpret literally everything that Crwby tries to say (Curious Cat secretly made fun of the writers themselves, and THAT got twisted into bashing the critics somehow), I don't think that changing other character's reactions would change anything really. Hell, it might've caused MORE drama in of itself. Because sadly, that's the kind of ""fans"" we're dealing with here. Not that BlackSun shippers themselves are the problem here, mind you. In any case, here's how **I** look at it: I can wholeheartedly buy (and at times a sucker for) any given ship in a given franchise *IF* said ships are supported by canon. In the case of RWBY, I can see BlackSun working if Sun was allowed to get a handle on Blake's thought process, though based on what we've seen in canon (especially this video), it would take a LOT of work in a series that has VERY little time to accomplish everything that it needs to. Still, massive props to Sun for the *gigachad* move of letting Blake do her own thing. And yes, gunchucks and character development are welcome indeed. 👍

[@KillaCheeto56]

@Tyrantlizard874 Yeah, I think I agree on the character reactions to BB being different wouldn't really change much. That was more of a personal gripe for me. Made the show feel like it was trying a little too hard to make people accept that it was going to be canonized.

[@Tyrantlizard874]

@@KillaCheeto56 I mean, we're talking about a fan-favorite pairing that Crwby ALSO wanted to happen, that may also be a sort of love letter to Monty himself (though I can't confirm that myself. It's common sense talking, really). Plus, as shown in the video, there's a suprising amount of cultural/narrative weight to the two as well before the ship itself got started. On those grounds, I can't really blame Crwby for going as hard as they did, cause honestly? They pretty much HAD to do so. So if it **still** feels forced after all that......well, blame the audience that loves to deny canon in favor of their own fanfictions (I'm looking at YOU, Ironwood and Adam stans......).

[@hi-viz]

Why are the antis still here nobody cares how you feel by this point

[@xelwriter5485]

They defined their personality around hating RWBY and gave up all other facets, interests and hobbies.

[@Tyrantlizard874]

@@xelwriter5485 To be perfectly honest.....that seems to be most of the internet (online critics especially) these days. Not towards RWBY specifically (though you and Hi-Viz are still talking pure facts here), but literally **everything** seems to have diehard haters being the ones who get all the spotlight before any form of positivity whatsoever. Reason being: 🤑

[@Tyrantlizard874]

4 months later after this comment, and people STILL refuse to let this go. So at this point, I'm convinced that these people are more salty over RT handing them mirrors more than anything, with the reflections being called "Adam Taurus", "General Ironwood", and maybe "Douche Schnee" depending on how you view that last one

[@Number1Rival]

​​@@Tyrantlizard874 Refuse to let what go? If it's let go of Bumblebee just existing, then we have a few problems with that. If people are going to continue discussing Bumblebee in any way, (analyzing and reviewing, praising, etc.) then the conversation will never cease because people will continue to share their opinions. This is the case with all forms of media discussion. If there is conversation going on, then there is conversation to be had, and the conversation will continue as long as people continue to converse about it, and the media continues to be talked about. Of course "the anti's" are going to continue talking about Bumblebee if others within the RWBY community continue talking about Bumblebee as well. There's also the cultural and historical significance of Bumblebee that will keep it in the minds of many so long as anyone continues to acknowledge Bumblebee's existence.

[@xelwriter5485]

Another day, another troll to block, this time its @moribundblue926 because if all you can offer is insults then you don't actually have anything to back up your claims and should maybe F-off with the other homophobes.

[@elcidsecundo3097]

They made Adam Taurus from the main villain in s 2 to a simp by the end of his character. The fans wanted Bumblebee and got their wish.

[@xelwriter5485]

... (oO) Adam was never a main villain, simps don't try to kill the person they desire that is incels, Adam was always a middling villain at best, don't blame BB fans that we didn't worship a loser like you did.

[@hi-viz]

Salem was literally one of the first characters to exist

[@matt0044]

He had one scene in Volume 2 and a few but significant scenes in Volume 3. Yeeeeeeeah, really "main villain" energy. Mind you, whatever dignity he tried to project whittled away with how Volume 5 had Blake throw his efforts in his face.

[@atlas3556]

​@xelwriter5485 Adam's so disasterously handled that it's painful to watch. RT realized they couldn't handle a racism subplot and decided to cut it off in the most pathetic way possible.

[@greyworld6242]

I still don’t care for this ship and just wish it’s foundations and execution were handled better for it’s beginnings and it’s end point but still this was an ok video.

[@CrimsonXE]

Um its "foundations" are great as it comes from emotional bonding, understanding, chemistry, having the one party strengthening the other, comfortableness, and maturity. Which long-term mature relationships all have as their core basis or should. The execution also is great given that they weren't treated as a token LGBT+ pair, but as just another romance developing across the show that had numerous phases of their relationship as the story progressed. In other words you're just another salty jackass.

[@Citadel_Of_My_Thoughts]

Funny how people like you always say that but never explain what you mean. It's almost like you don't have an actual point.

[@Helloandwelcome55]

Strange how people say stuff like “I don’t care about ship” yet usually never shut up about it.

[@CrimsonXE]

@@Helloandwelcome55 I mean you'd think they'd at least come up with some new stuff, but its always just the same recycled bigoted/ignorant dogwhistles that shows they're lacking knowing anything about LGBT+. But y'know everyone should value cis-hetero incels over LGBT+ opinions about LGBT+ relationships /sarcasm.

[@xelwriter5485]

So this is a bit of friendly fandom advice: No one wants to go into the comments section of a video, post or fic about something they like, be they the maker or viewer and hear someone say they don't like it and think its bad. Even if there is a "But you did it OK" it at best comes off as rude. Which is all before you opened with a negative premise which you chose not to substantiate, IE, you didn't come here to have a debate, so it by and large feels like you are just intentionally being rude, with a back handed compliment at the end to allay anger. If someone writes a pairing in a fic I don't like, I don't tell them "I hate this pairing, but you did OK" or "i hate this show but your rendition is good" cos it always comes off as very disrespectful. You are obviously not obliged to agree with me, though I would argue I laid out my reasons quite well. But I do feel there is a certain degree of manners to which we should extend to others, which generally includes not opening with what could be charitably called an insult and less charitably called a baseless insult. You did not need to do this, but you did, and all its done is make you come off as being rude and disrespectful. I don't expect a response, but it would be nice if you took sometime to think about how you engage with others in fandom and to remember we're all meant to be here to have fun.

[@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel]

Can't really agree. If Yang smiling at someone and being nice to them in the early Volumes was an indication of a future relationship, she would be dating half the cast, by now.

[@xelwriter5485]

I need you to watch the video again, find the part you reference, time stamp it, quote me and then outline exactly how I, 1: Hinged my entire argument on a single smile 2: conveyed my claim by only describing it as a smile 3: Then explain in what world you zero in on one line in a video that's over 40 minutes & think making a dismissive and inaccurate comment about it somehow disproves anything at all, as opposed to making you look either disingenuous or incompetent.

[@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel]

@@xelwriter5485 I am not going to do that for the same reason I zeroed in on that particular thing: I don't really have this much time to spend on Bumblebee. I just saw the early friendliness between the two pointed out as a setup for a future relationship and disagreed, that's all.

[@jolksjumbojemi]

​@@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel dog u had enough time to send a comment like a sneak diss... i think u have plenty of time in ur hands actually cause clearly you've got nothing better to do 💀

[@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel]

@@jolksjumbojemi You say that as if those things are equal in how much time they require. Does it take you 45 minutes to write a KZbin comment?

[@Savannah_Simpson]

…Did they really though? Like, I really love their getting together scene but like everything before that was incredibly shallow and mostly “show don’t tell”. Were told by Marrow the “always pair up” but only see it in a couple montages. We’re told it a regular occurrence that they go off and do their own thing but we never see it. Like would it have killed them to give a glimpse of them together that time they went out dancing with Team FNKI? Like, they had a prime opportunity there and they didn’t take it.

[@CrimsonXE]

Um the show is RWBY and is an action/fantasy w/ a bit of romance in relationships, so the expectation you seem to be presenting is extremely off. This isn't a yuri/shoujo-ai that revolves around just them and their romance. Actually if you look over the course of the volumes so far its shown that they do indeed pair up all the time. Also "shallow", um the hell no it wasn't. Burning the Candle's emotional bonding + Yang being vulnerable + Yang understanding Blake is NOT shallow. Yang gently stroking Blake's image + breaking down like a separated lover towards Blake is NOT shallow. The entire fight against Adam and the dialogue within is NOT shallow. You want shallow go look at v1-4 of BS instead. As much as I would've liked to see them dancing, what exactly would be the relevance to the main plot or anything outside of just doing exactly what the HTDM accuses them of in fanservice? This is like the clothes shopping thing that people thought/wanted to happen, but wouldn't have actually fit. Though the "going to a club" type of thing was shown in a flashback in the v4-5 comics, where the two went on a "not-a-date" date. Now for the "did they really though", yes they absolutely did. Multiple major events, emotionally bonding with each other, multiple arcs both as individuals & as a pair, faced their shared walking nightmare together, and being what the other needs. A top tier friends to lovers romance that isn't the entirety of the show, but an element within that the most. That isn't given massive "give us our credit", but just a naturally developed slowburn relationship the same as Renora. I couldn't have asked for anything more, because doing so would damage the real-ness of the pair turning it into more of a sugar LGBT+ aimed fanfare, instead of a realistic earned slowburn type.

[@Citadel_Of_My_Thoughts]

Hate to tell you this, but the show is RWBY, not the Blake and Yang show. When you have 20 mins to not only develop characters but also move the plot along you have to rely on your audience being smart enough to fill in the blanks. Sadly, CRWBY has really overestimated their audience and their capacity to follow what's going on.

[@CrimsonXE]

@@Citadel_Of_My_Thoughts And 20mins was only in the latest volumes, nvm the 5-10min episodes early on. And the last part is definitely abundantly clear cause the media literacy shown by certain veins of people is in a basement level.

[@matt0044]

Did you not watch the video? Hear it out?

[@xelwriter5485]

I suggest watching the video again and maybe also remembering neither Arkos not Renora is held to the same absurd standards BB are and to maybe consider why that is.

[@Tryton-A-Morris]

Does this dude watch or read any other media besides rwby, DC, and dragon ball? In the potentially 5-10 years you’ve been a RWBY fan, has nothing else caught your eye, nothing else you’ve enjoyed, nothing that you see as quality? This feels like a dude that has seen less than 10 things in his life, and his praises and criticisms show that. Not just in this video but in a lot of his other videos There’s no way someone can be talking about RWBY *this* much like it’s anything more than disappointing if they’ve seen more than 5 anime or shows or books or media in general. Granted it seems Xel doesn’t like to talk about anything that is wrong with RWBY so I can’t even say if he thinks there is anything he finds as a flaw in RWBY. I’d have appreciated the Bumbleby ship if it the climax of it wasn’t in a situation where they HAD to confess or be stuck forever to their knowledge. Also that Jaune line of “I’ve been waiting for that forever” afterwards was so bad in universe and out of universe, but that’s just personal Jaune distaste. I’m happy that you’ve been able to have your ship, good for you. And good for you that you find a series that you like, but bro, broaden your horizons. There’s better shows out there, there’s better books out there, trust me, all it takes is one google search.

[@Enigma2Me]

Here's an idea: Don't make assumptions about what people watch just based only on their KZbin channel. How condescending do you have to be to think that just because YOU don't think the show is worthwhile, that it means that anyone who does value it must be a lowest common denominator idiot who "just needs to watch better shows", as if YOU have the right to decide what WE get to decide is quality? Did it ever even occur to you that maybe we DO enjoy other media and shows that you deem "better", but that we also enjoy shows like RWBY just fine, and that Xel's points might be because what they value isn't inherently the same as what YOU value in a story? You don't know ANYTHING about any of us. You don't know anything about Xel's interests. And you don't have the right to pretend you know better just so you can march in here, treating Xel like their videos, their analysis has no value just because YOU deem them to be without value.

[@Helloandwelcome55]

Don’t know why you see yourself as this high and mighty individual, but whatever it takes to feel like you’re above someone for once I guess.

[@Tryton-A-Morris]

@@Enigma2Me I *literally* say I’m glad you can find something you can enjoy, and I’m not gonna ever say don’t enjoy rwby, but after watching this dudes videos and interacting with him, he has only really talked about those three things and has made basically no references to anything else, what else should I think? I don’t think rwby is good, yes, but I never said it’s worthless, I’m asking, what else do you like other than this? And I’d ask the same questions to you, what else have you watched? When did I call ANYONE here an idiot? Don’t put words in my mouth. I think that the fact that he praises things that happen in other shows and books as unique and rare to be telling that he doesn’t seek these things out. *Thats* my problem. If you like slow burn romance why don’t you talk about it more? Why don’t you read some things like it. It really didn’t occur to me that he reads other media or shows that might do this better, or even worse, because he never talks about said things? In his video about deaths and rwby, he brings up dragon ball as an example of what “most anime do” when anyone who’s seen anything other than dragonball knows for a fact that is disingenuous. You’re right, I don’t know anything about you or xel personally, that’s why people make videos. To share things they enjoy are don’t enjoy. And the lack of other media he talks about is why I come to this conclusion. And lastly: I don’t think I’m better than xel in any way except two: I don’t delete dissenting opinions, like he did in his previous rwby videos, and I don’t hurl insults at people when I’m arguing, like he did when I last spoke to him.

[@xelwriter5485]

So just off the cuff, I genuinely dislike being addressed with male pronouns, you likely don't have reason to know that so I'm not holding it against you but its hardly a secret either, so ah, yeah just to note. Anyway, yes I do watch and read things other than RWBY & DC, I have a fairly extensive anime collection for one, among my favorites are the original Kino's Journey, Arjuna and more recent examples include the Witch from Mercury & Little Witch Academia. My reading includes stuff like Teppu, Nix of Nothing, Surviving Romance, Stormdancer, the The Gentleman Bastard Sequence and Bloody Rose. I have read or watch most of these things concurrent with RWBY as I am more than happy to engage in several pieces of media at the same time. I don't really talk about them much because none of these series have dedicated hatedoms who spend their time maligning and misrepresenting the show, or a fandom so entrenched with its own fanon that the actual lore is basically ignored. IE, I talk about RWBY & DC a lot because I feel they don't get the kind of media analysis they deserve. If I did more videos on Witch of Mercury I'd not be adding much to the discourse beyond another voice saying, "Its good" so I don't bother as there's no real sense of necessity to it. They were not going to be stuck forever, Jaune literally said the Ponderstorm would pass and they didn't have to confess as they could have just kept telling each other minor secrets and gotten close enough to jump. I thought it was fun, and rather reflective of CRWBY's mood given they've been on this train longer than literally anyone. You thinking RWBY is bad does not make it bad, my videos outline why I think its good, you don't have to agree but I do expect you to at least take me at my word that I research and reflect on these matters deeply. If I didn't there wouldn't be any video essays at all.

[@xelwriter5485]

Why would I reference other media in a comments section on a RWBY or DC video when said comments will be about said franchises @@Tryton-A-Morris Genuinely curious. Also not to be blunt but the "You can enjoy it but it sucks" is rather back handed and rude at best. When you say you think someone only enjoys something because you think they don't engage with any other media and that the thing they enjoy is bad, it comes off as though saying they are ignorant, or otherwise stupid. Also the reason I don't discuss slowburn queer romance much is because as I said they are rare. I've watched plenty of anime, action movies and so on and as I said, a lot of them tend to frame deaths, heroic sacrifices and such in a gallant, glorified way, or in a sort of peaceful, intimate way that does not capture the terror or pain of death, I use DB as a reference point because its both an extremely well known franchise and a rather strong example of what I am talking about. I am not about to list off every piece of media ever that I don't think handles death as well as RWBY does because that is both like firing flaming arrows into a dozen different fortresses at once and also a waste of time video wise and a bad way to communicate a point structurally. You should maybe try coming to conclusions less casually given I have done some other videos, Witch from Mercury & Nimona for example and if you do want to bring it up maybe do so in a way that is less directly confrontational and disrespectful, as sitting down at someone else's table and opening with what is essentially an insult is not a great way to start a conversation. I don't delete dissenting opinions, I delete posts that are either deceptive or supremely disrespectful, such as Insidious who repeatedly called me delusional for reference a time stamped canon event. If I was rude to you, well I suppose I apologize, though given how you have opened this post, it doesn't exactly give me a lot of faith that I would have reason to feel charitable.

[@laf5755]

If you generally think that this romance is good I would like to explain to you it is not at all because it destroyed the show. Turn the fanbase into one of the most insane undesirable thing ever and the most relevant the show ever had in years was Ruby being homophobic becoming a meme because on this ship. All problems with the show start with this.

[@Number1Rival]

Even as I am more critical of Bumblebee, and RWBY in general, this is just untrue. All the problems with the show and characters do not start with Bumblebee. The problems with the writing in general does not start with Bumblebee.

[@Citadel_Of_My_Thoughts]

Welcome to the Internet where someone can spend hours making a excellent video with supporting evidence and then some ignorant fool comes along and says "nuh-uh!" and their evidence is: "Me no like".

[@laf5755]

@@Number1Rival When I say it starts with bumblebee, I mean it starts with letting shippers have Affect on the show.

[@laf5755]

@@Citadel_Of_My_ThoughtsYes, indeed. Get bent Scrub.😈😈😈😈😈😈

[@Citadel_Of_My_Thoughts]

@@laf5755 So you're a troll. Looking forward to your deletion and block.