RWF Players Got BANNED for WHAT??? | The Bench Ep. 07

[@TheBenchPodcast]

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[@sebh102]

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[@Icculus224]

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[@jacksondewar1188]

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[@Zellyk]

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[@Fngoomba]

Rip Bozo

[@Ardwell19]

growl's avatar is getting wilder every week xD

[@dariasraven]

We need one with a monocle for his guide videos now. Like a professor type of look.

[@iiSeaCoooooooow]

They did a great job teaching delve enjoyers the mechanics of M+. From Bran abilities that require the player to respond to a ping sound effect and move accordingly, to small aoe circles that mimic the end boss of Necrotic wake. The different delve stories that mimic tank routing. Bran vocalizing frontal cones. Frontal cones literally being named frontal cones. They did a great job preparing the transitioning delver into a mythic plus'er

[@joaquin5028]

DONT STAND THERE!

[@MrPizzaboy19]

Based

[@싸넬동지-7성담배]

FANTASTIC ! (ouch my ears)

[@Kmaitland89]

good, they should've been banned.

[@playlistb3795]

Ban em longer. Make them know that cheating is not tolerated.

[@highgrade9]

​@poorchris this might be the most unhinged response I have ever seen lol

[@michaelmoran2125]

​@poorchris they're not able to compete at any blizz event now. If Method does get a 4 day ban on even 40% of the raid group that could jeopardize them at 3rd place. I'm with ya but perma ban isn't the solution. I got caught exploiting in WoTLk 10 day ban.

[@WorgenDeath]

I would have been okay with longer bans if they hadn't caught so many innocent people in the crossfire, I never did double weekly quest hand-ins or even having multiple active accounts during levelling, I literally just played the game, I am 12 renown from regularly playing the game, I didn't farm every rare or boost stuff with dmf cause I didn't care about minmaxing renown and I managed to catch a ban. someone else in my guild was also banned, they were 14 renown, keep in mind you could have been 17 already if you heavily optimized it without any exploiting. People got banned for having their kids on a seperate license on the same account levelling together. it's really good that they are taking a stance on exploiting, but holy fuck did they drop the ball in determining if someone did or didn't exploit. (before someone tries to claim that I am lying about my rep and must have definitely exploited, you can check it on the wow armory under reputation, worgendeath-tarren mill)

[@TheTykus]

You guys needa chill dawg. It’s only game why you gotta be crunked up so bad

[@eltzerbridge9037]

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[@Tytykiller]

I can't believe Growl is slandering my name and starting drama. I didn't leave 30 dungeons this weekend, I left 34.

[@jazmudry]

Tettles is so out of touch when it comes to dps balance, yet so confident. I wish I was like that when talking to my boss about the work I didn't do or know how to

[@tonydinh8905]

He talks too much and listens too little.

[@vincenthamel3420]

If you start watching this podcast at 12:10 EST, the podcast will end just in time for you to see the extended maintenance notice.

[@snowii5561]

jokes on you the servers were up ten minutes early

[@vincenthamel3420]

@@snowii5561 Yeah, what were the odds!

[@SpragerWoW]

"Arcane is hundreds of thousands above other people" - pulls up sheet, is in fact thirteen thousand ahead of the next, closes sheet XD

[@potatoslim2332]

LMAO he clicked off that tab so quick once he saw the numbers

[@michaelmoran2125]

Ehh he's only one order of magnitude lol

[@OMGITSJAD]

Also totally ignores that a spec may do well when played by an always perfectly performing simulation that's standing still but may or may not fall off hard due to realistic mechanical intensity or just requiring the player to play perfectly as well...

[@OMGITSJAD]

DPS sheet has WW at 1.57 mil and Arcane at 1.58 Arcane is doing hundreds of thousands of DPS more and needs huge nerfs! 5 minutes later Is Windwalker even good???

[@potatoslim2332]

@@OMGITSJAD yeah man i'm ngl i do hate watch tettles some but he makes me laugh so it all makes for a good time

[@lovelywaz]

4 Days "ban" two days before Heroic Week starts is as funny joke as thinking RWF raiders will get scared and stop doing these shenanigans... 😆😆

[@SatchaDahmi]

Agreed this seems like a warning shot from blizz. They knew they were doing it heroic week which wouldn't have as much impact but is still quite serious for folks. Sucks for those that get banned but Blizz is being nice and setting the stage for the future when there likely won't be a heroic weeks in the future. The scary thing is the MDI comps not being able to compete but blizz may drop that. I also like that they are rolling back. This response seems fair so far from blizz. Sad that some "innocents" might have been caught just by normally playing and using multiple accounts but that is such a small small portion.

[@davidchapman6504]

Very appropriate that the bans get talked about in episode 07. :D

[@Max-lc1sg]

first hallway of stonevault is gonna farm way harder than any boss

[@serelna4618]

Fire should be allowed to be bad. Fire was the strongest while the other mage specs were mediocre to bad. Let Arcane be in the spotlight, and Fire be in the gutter for a few tiers. As a mage, I would appreciate this quite a bit :P --- Context: I am the most mid Frost mage you will ever meet.

[@TheTykus]

I wouldn’t say that’s entirely accurate, but overall fire has definitely had the longest strongest streak. And I’m fine with it being last.

[@randygsmusic]

@@TheTykushas had the longest and most frequent occurrences of being strong im pretty sure

[@JakeSezz]

Been an Arc Mage ride or die since I started playing in BC. It’s so damn nice for Arcane to feel like the burst-y crazy fun it should be

[@deseanroot75]

As a long time fire main the issue is that since WoD Fire itself has never been good. It's always been the borrowed power. Fire being weak right now is just how Fire normally is when there is no borrowed power lol.

[@randygsmusic]

@@deseanroot75 wildly irrelevant since you’re not going to be playing those expansions as current content without said borrowed power. Add onto that the fact that a lot of those borrowed powers got baked into the talent tree.

[@SnarkyLesbian]

I LOVE the potion bombs. Not just because it lends extra value to Engineering, but also because on healer and tank I get to do more support abilities. Especially on like a Warrior, where I need any Support abilities I can get!

[@sicus5D]

Listening as I decided to try a tier 8 delve on my semi geared toon after raid, can confirm: had fun.

[@Rook986]

4 days is bullshit, they knew what they were doing. They were so confident the wouldn't get punished that they streamed them exploiting. Need to bring back perma bans

[@ryanchristenson1059]

Streaming exploits is especially bad and should be in talks for perma ban imo

[@curlyhead360]

Blizzard's policy up to this point has been to at most roll people back, if that. They almost never ban. It would be ridiculous to suddenly change the rules and then enforce a super harsh punishment. Especially since these players are competing to win, since Blizzard hasn't taken action before, it makes complete sense they would exploit, because if they don't they are at a disadvantage. 4 days is more than enough to make clear what the standard is and to not do it in the future.

[@Lyscian420]

Perfect timing. Servers going down. Let’s pray for an early finish to maintenance!!

[@wowsew]

Early lol? Just pray for no extentions

[@highgrade9]

Cope, just hope we don't proc a 4 hour extendo

[@elorateq3672]

Note with the recent nerfs to Delves, even healer rezzes now count. So a 5-party wipe now = bricked Level 8 Delve.

[@CeilingPanda]

AFAIK you always get rewards but won't upgrade the delve if you complete it with too many deaths according to kelanis video

[@fishtower1046]

Re the bans: it's extra funny that it corresponds to the length of time of early access, like this leg up is symbolically lost

[@Joel1031]

Growl's prediction is on the money here. I went into m0 with some guildies who were also mostly gear capped for what we could do pre-Heroic week and did everything without any issues. It was nice just seeing some boss fights extended to see more mechanics. I have more casual friends who tried to pug it in the like 570-580 ilvl range and had just miserable times lol.

[@TopicsWithSwerv]

Last boss of Ara Kara is my vote for boss that will cause the most depletes

[@Mighttester]

4 days is a joke should have been at least 8 days to miss a reset, if not the whole month.

[@coryp6868]

I'd have to agree I think missing heroic week would have been a game changer and a massive wakeup call for the guilds to get in line and play like everyone else... I'm assuming they didn't want to deal with mass outrage or w/e since RWF is the bulk of esports income for wow.

[@michaelfalkner1186]

Disqualification from the RWF at minimum, personal at absolute minimum, team needs to either replace or their participation is void.

[@michaelfalkner1186]

@@coryp6868 And that is why you won't see shit happen. Blizzard has long since allowed players to skirt the rules if they are of benefit to the company.

[@coryp6868]

@@michaelfalkner1186 truth

[@Frawt]

​@@michaelfalkner1186Blizzard doesn't run RWF. They don't finance anything, they offer no prize money, what the FUCK are you WAFFLING about "disqualification from RWF"? Blizzard should be disqualified for giving so little of a shit about one of the esports pillars of one of their biggest franchises, and you need to be disqualified from commenting for this absolute dog comment. Blizzard should be honoured people want to do this kind of degen shit for their game when they themselves put such a woefully pathetic amount of effort into building up that scene.

[@imotje]

“So what tettles is saying is” I love how growl is translating everything terrors says for the mole people 😂.

[@snowii5561]

if you're a mage and trying to solo bountiful delves most of the damage is melee so just play frost and kite the mobs

[@phulcq6716]

I've had by far the easiest time on t8 delves with my frost mage, solo and severely undergeared. Huge damage, infinite kiting and mob control, and actually loads of self-sustain tools if you pick them all up out of the class tree. Plus with bloodlust you can burn the bosses down so damn fast.

[@smallpandochka]

the problem with enchants is that they're expensive, yes, BUT cheaper than reagents, so not many enchanters are selling them

[@SunniestAutumn]

Eventually people will be able to produce high quality reagents cheaper and make the enchants with fewer high quality reagents, so it will get much cheaper, but damn. That weapon enchant was still like 25k. That's not nothing.

[@OrganicJKW]

I can make quite a few of the R3 enchants, but I just can't compete with how cheap they're selling for on the AH. I'm losing money making them right now, so I've stopped. It feels like half the community thinks prices will become cheaper this week with everyone dumping mats they've been hording, and the other half thinks prices will skyrocket with everyone buying.

[@Shadowxjen]

The cost is atm nearly half of what it has been a week ago, once the recipe to get storm dust from glimmering shards is patched in prices will drop drasticly again. Also for most its totally irrelevant if you got the best enchant or the second best quality.

[@Bobington11]

Some of the prices are also propped up by tinderbox prices because those are ~8k and there will be fewer people out in the world picking them up

[@OrganicJKW]

@@Bobington11 That's a really good point. That mat is used in ~20 recipes (plus as a mat in Sanctified Alloy which is used for nearly all BS epics), so it's going to remain a high value item for a long time.

[@Rockforce80]

Good start on account actions. Betting this is a warning shot to let them know that next time it's gonna be harsh. Setting the tone

[@el3ctros]

Do method raiders get to keep their insane crafted pieces they shouldn't have? If they keep the crafted piece from the renown crest, then they still have an advantage even with a 4 day ban.

[@coryp6868]

I had no idea people were struggling with awakening the machine, lol. Hadn't had issues on any role/spec so far xD

[@James_Johnson79]

Loot for delves is one big loot pool for power, but I think that the cosmetics are individual.

[@Thatwowguy22]

Mages have been getting away with this since before deathwing fractured our world it’s actually criminal.

[@evananthony4506]

This video helped a lot. Def earned my sub. Thanks a bunch

[@relhaz4326]

I spent 10 minutes doing stitchflesh because my pug could NOT figure out the hook. Despite my best attempt to explain it in say chat while tanking

[@Akilli315]

The back of the cat in the thumb got me here.

[@KharnTheBtrayer]

Rip bozos, i feel like blizzard needs to just start handing out these like 2-4 day bans for exploits since it doesnt just decide the race like a 2 week ban would but it makes it so people arent just degenerately abusing anything they can without punishment. Also if they just had a blanket you exploit you get at least a 2 day ban it would lead to less judgement call inconsistent rulings like they have done in the past where sometimes they do nothing, sometimes just a rollback and sometimes an actual ban

[@WodenRenztil]

This ban feels like a shot across the bow. Not long enough to seriously affect the race, but an example to everyone why you should exploit. I think the accounts involved should have been rolled back as well. Hopefully Blizz follows through harder on exploitation in the future now that this warning shot has been fired.

[@gitoffYoutube]

24 hallowfall is possible due the to bonus even being World quests, IF the rewards are similar to DF (2500rep for 1 specific renown and 50% bonus rep from world quests). I'm 19 1535 with hallowfall before the reset and will just be able to get 24 after everything if i get that rep from the World Quest bonus event

[@Gaius_Sinstone]

1:07:15 I think you guys misunderstood his question. He was suggesting a hard enrage that’s NOT a shield. 💀

[@wanderer977]

that is gotta be one of the best avatar pictures ever! lol

[@deseanroot75]

There is a portal room. Its next to the upgrade guys

[@zach7232]

Demo lock at 582 was a breeze for most of the delves solo

[@scs-yt]

We had BH totems, uldaman totems and AV last bost shards as DPS check mechanics

[@mikemikemikemike221]

Very happy that my reddit post made good content mid-podcast ! 🤣🤣🤣

[@KevinMcCoy87]

the radiant echo how to quest to unlock more dropping from delves is necessary just 1 time per account. Just did it after first tier 8 delve on druid main and then on my bdk did 4 tier 8 delves and got 4 echoes.

[@robusmc1713]

Rets Spender Templars Verdict Hit like a Marshmallow , its so sad to press, It used to hit like a truck back in day

[@Raagul]

tyty mentioned, log in dude

[@l3k13]

all hail queen growlsurek!

[@zachemorgan]

Blizzard with the hammer helll yeah

[@sombrego2260]

On the topic of the .5 patch looking like stuff that should have been in beta but devs ran out of time: I really don't think that's the case. It's just that they clearly changed their patch cadence for this new saga/coming expansions and they designed/implemented everything months ago. They took feedback in consideration and identified a few pain points such as Dark Ranger that really could use a rework. We have to consider the fact that specs like Lightsmith and Oracle were heavily criticized and very quickly changed during beta. Yes the Hunter specs aren't a huge success but they mostly work. They are just not super fun but they are not as problematic as Oracle or Lightsmith were (I would argue Master of Harmony should have been reworked too, the spec requires multiple weakauras to be interacted with in any satisfying way and that's just ridiculous). Is it weird that some bugfix are pushed to the .5 patch? Yeah it is. But we also saw the shitshow that a tiny bugfix on Helcaller has caused a few days ago where all the warlock players were crying. So I can also understand why they don't want to risk to cause more potential issues with the opening of the season and are ok with leaving most everything in its current state. All in all it's the most sane reaction they can realistically have with a seasonal format and honestly I'm surprised they reworked Dark Ranger and Holy Paladins so that extent already.

[@SunniestAutumn]

The DPS check problem in M+ also has to account for a scenario where a DPS player takes a dive or disconnects. You kinda have to be able to finish a dungeon, even if your resident guild mascot rogue or literally any Demon Hunter main is in your group. You know they are going to end up vanishing 15 seconds into a boss fight to the first avoidable mechanic every single time. If you've ever had an 8 minute Iridikron adventure in Galakrond's Fall, you know what I'm talking about. My point is, deaths are super punishing in M+ as is. We don't need more incentive to keep people alive.

[@DSMTyralion]

I hope the bans are real!

[@A_Coat24]

Can’t wait for the Bench MDI team

[@VDHmain]

Is it FINALLY the season where pugs learn to stack???

[@stonnyj]

There is a portal room inside the building located to the left of the upgrade building in dorn

[@sipi725]

I come to love the 3 weeks because as boring as it felt in the beginning for the First time in ages i spend time questing, farming, getting achiehments etc. Still im Glad we can start Gaming again :D

[@edwinrivas4541]

I still find it humorous how ppl spent 90 dollars for epic edition only to find out it meant absolutely nothing.

[@Saucemixer]

Justice for the Moleppl

[@dariasraven]

Yes...the new ascendant does look like a Scooby Doo villian. At any moment scooby will rip the mask off and reveal Dick Cheney!

[@Carsone22]

o7 Tettles with the hand wave for 12 splits 🤣🤣🤣

[@Zaeylo]

Growl and dorki going have to solo their podcasts next few weeks. Also the last mob pack in stone vaults already ego checks tanks and its going to destroy on mythic

[@itsDEEZY]

EU favoritism. Less days banned during splits. Typical.

[@awryn]

XD

[@Painchiller]

Haha

[@fioratft]

i love growl's new avatar

[@highgrade9]

Growl got a fatty

[@vtheman1850]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[@messaroundhandleit]

Max from limit says he doesn't exploit, and I believe he said he doesn't want his team to do it either. I am sure they do, just very smart about it. Good on blizz for finally suspending people, cause fk them for exploiting, 4 day ban nothing, but I hope it's more of a warning to not. I remember back in legion where people were able to repeat some quest for the artifact power, and they barely suspended people for maybe a week, and allowed them to keep the power increase, which was still like a month ahead of everyone.

[@eleakimbarrientos9803]

It was a warning shot.

[@DantesBlowtorch]

I have Hallowfall 18, with some hard grinding according to my math I MIGHT be able to hit 24 on reset edit: hallowfall 18 gives champion wrists BTW

[@Retrox1989]

Don't know why you would exploit the rep thing anyway, not like there's anything worthwhile in the rewards to do it.

[@itskhro]

Not putting "RWF ban live reaction" is gigachad behaviour

[@Starkimonde]

Im so tired of fire being the top mage spec every tier. Pls, let arcane shine for a tier.

[@Morbidt123]

When are we going to get a segment of The Bench teaching us how to prep for so that we use our time better than to just ilvl up? :

[@dickweed939]

2nd warlock comment from groool is underrated

[@svsv1191]

Max got that guy banned

[@appa5894]

Raiders being banned - Good. Fuck around and exploit you know what you are doing isnt intended. You need to be held accountable

[@waqipatel]

BENCH SUPREMACY

[@alexanderfullard4107]

Surprised growl didn’t say priests are gonna get buffed as looks like the weakest healer

[@patrice6373]

The ban is a bigger deal than you may realize when you consider that Method lost about half their roster for 4 days. That is A LOT of split gearing that is lost, that is a lot of planning (that is painstaking, and precise) that is thrown into chaos. The down stream effect won't be fully realized until mythic week comes out and Method ends up, possibly, several ilvl behind Echo/Liquid... Mid-raid wall might be a catch up opportunity in terms of gear, but that still slows them down. I wouldn't be surprised if Method struggles to top 5 this tier, as opposed to potential top 3.

[@poopnukem4079]

It's not really because the majority of people that follow the RWF don't care who comes 3rd. It's a big deal for Method but not really for most of the audience.

[@Dusii156]

But isnt it only like 1 and a half days of heroic week? It will hurt for sure but it wont matter as much as you make it sound if im not completely wrong here ofc :P

[@michaelmoran2125]

​@@Dusii156bro your math, stocking shelves buddy. Shits recorded yesterday, so there back on Friday.

[@Bobington11]

​@@michaelmoran2125so smug yet so dumb. Method's reset isn't until Wednesday so at worst it's 2.5 days of splits lost not 4.

[@el3ctros]

Except for the fact they all have max crafted pieces from abusing the renown, even with the renown roll back they will still have the crafted item equipped.

[@johncarmichael1737]

Idk if you guys have a Patreon but if you do add a tier that gets access the the unedited podcast lol

[@livvw]

"is windwalker good?".. its like okay lmao the ww theorycrafters have held their sims until now :D

[@thatepicwizardguy]

the sim sheet they even showed here has it SECOND in single target. only 17k behind arcane... enhance is less than 3k below them. if arcane gets hit WW is suddenly the strongest single target lol these guys are absolutely gaslighting saying WW is just okay. we can literally see the numbers... fire mage needs buffs but destro not mentioned? bruh. any class under 1.4mil sims probably needs a buff.

[@danielschultz96]

I did LFR raz like 10 times and never wiped once? even if half the raid dies, you can easily kill it with 10ish people left

[@squallsomnislash]

Grotesque isn't new. Dragonflies had one

[@bladeworxgg]

Oh seven and effs

[@Sargaxiist2022]

4 dats was too little. They should start handing out 30 day suspensions. Miss a tier and they wont try it again

[@KingKryptify]

I also got melee'd to death on my rogue in WtM. My tanks 20/20 it every time however

[@Frawt]

Then...you're bad. Did AtM (Awakening starts with an A, by the way, not a W) on my rogue, as Assa, pre-nerf, and had no close calls whatsoever. Consider just using your CC and your defensives.

[@mahatmaandi2347]

I do not want to see any shadowlands content for the next 4 years! Fire which ever dev decided that this would be good!

[@billkoun1183]

they are sleeping on enhance ... i bet two of them will be in the rwf comps

[@brandoncomer6492]

ban shoulda been longer

[@winterfreas7504]

PERMANENTLY BANNED FOR 4 DAYS

[@Epicmission48]

I wasn’t even 80 when I did my first awakening the machine lol

[@messaroundhandleit]

I never died on any class in awakening machine, how are people dying ? I blasted it, and I thought the mobs needed to spawn faster and or more of them.

[@garethmagis]

Wow a whole 4 days where they will just get on a different account and still play thier alts.

[@melenaus]

o7 pack watch rip bozo

[@alexanderfullard4107]

How do they not have enhance in their raid comp predictions

[@prettyblueskye353]

i must know the leak!

[@simonm1233]

They should have gotten banned long enough to actually impact their RWF. That would actually send a real message that blizzard was serious

[@carlostorresheredia]

4 days was a weak punish, they should permaban them!.

[@CarrotCannon]

See i knew better not to touch an exploit even once after the frog fiasco.

[@Midniyt]

bench HYPE

[@Trev0413]

Lmao shout out to TyTyKiller, what a troll

[@fireyaspen5290]

53:03 Idk, probably need some more mages