RX 7800XT vs RX 6900XT / The same GPU?

[@sweeflyboy]

The Iceberg voice really caught me offguard lol, really good!

[@b00marrows]

Wow. So Generation up, tier down for Half the price and generally the same performance? that seems pretty damn good. Man, almost missed, its even a decent (~10%?) percentage lower power draw.

[@Protector1rk]

Nope exact same perfomance, exact same the price. 7800 XT ≈ 6800XT, which sold on start for 650 bucks and can bought for 500 right now. 6950 XT with more faster vram and reworked chip was 630 bucks for new good non reference vevdor card in spring 2023. 7800XT is successor to 6700XT, because it have a lower class chip Navi 32. While all card in previuos gen line have flagship silicon Navi 21 in all beginning with 6800 non XT. That's really impress if you don't mind starting MSRP of 6700 XT in the amount of 479 dollars and it nowadays price. P.S. In 2013 AMD released R9 290X for 479$ and after three years we got RX 480 with exact level of perfomance for 229$. That's what i call pretty damn good..

[@b00marrows]

@@Protector1rk The prices are in the video. 6900XT was $999 on release in 2020. 7800XT is $499 in 2023. Half the price for the same performance.

[@Winnetou17]

@@Protector1rk Check your glasses, this video is not about 6800XT but 6*9*00 XT! Yeah, the street price is much closer now, but I still think it shows a pretty good generational improvement. Weird that the 6800 XT is so close though.

[@BonusCrook]

​​@@Winnetou17 thats completely irrelevant. RDNA3 is barely a generational improvement.

[@kramnull8962]

@@b00marrows And that only means anything to anyone using a POS card or buying for entry into the market. Remember, it is the people that buy in the first 6 months that keeps the wheels turning....... The rest are why we have no low end cards worth a buck, with 128bit vram. Because cheap people will argue with the value of free, because they wouldn't be paid to get off their ass and go get one....

[@batvenio3533]

I have rx 6900 xt sapphire nitro and with my old ryzen 9 3900x was a bothlneck. Now. I have it with ryzen 7 5800x3d and almost doubled the fps in many games. For example dead island 2 with the ryzen 9 3900x I had 70 fps with ryzen 7 5800x3d I got 120 fps.

[@HardwareLab]

Yes, there could be an fps increase. When you’re cpu limited. These tests are all gpu limited.

[@batvenio3533]

@stephan4923 3144x1440 how many cores didn't see

[@hyena-chase2176]

​@@HardwareLabat 4k yes but not at 1440p

[@glbernini0]

Got to hope continual driver updates will improve the 7800XT!

[@SheranAslam]

So it's like the 6800xt? Initially reviewers said it's on par with 6800xt now people are comparing it to 6900xt! Right???

[@VeteranSSVahramey]

In my country, the 6900XT costs $130 cheaper than the 7800XT, which one should I buy?

[@nickschmitz841]

I am curious to ask, I see the 6900XT is typically not sitting at 100% utilization but it often slightly below that. Would I be correct in saying that it is slightly bottlenecked by the 3900x ? Would it be beneficial to run the test with a 5800x or something along those lines to see if the results would change towards the 6900xt in some games ? Given the close numbers, I don't think it would matter but I wanted to point it out.

[@HardwareLab]

Not really, for most gpus out there it’s typical thing to run at 95-99% when they are bottlenecked, it is really rare to see the card that can actually show a 100. + cpu/gpu relation doesn’t work in the way “this cpu is enough for this gpu”, it varies a lot depending on the game, settings etc, so it can’t produce the results that is always slightly bottlenecked

[@nickschmitz841]

@@HardwareLab Makes sense, thanks for replying back.

[@guillaumepascal1333]

Definitly bottelneck. i swap my 3900x for a 7800x3D... and i can confirm even in 4k i was restricted by my 3900x ..en 1440p gain is hudge ( with an 3080Ti)

[@HardwareLab]

@@guillaumepascal1333 you are using different gpu, you are not telling what games and settings you are talking about, just “X cpu bottlenecks Y gpu”, this is not how it works

[@IceBreakBottle]

You think that CPU is enough until you put in a 5800x3d and see the performance gains. Even with a 5600x you will get performance gains over a 3900x lol@@HardwareLab

[@CalienW2]

According to AMD, the RDNA3 has a 50% more efficient Ray Accelerator, but in this case, we can see more RA units in the RX 6900 XT (80 vs 60), so the performance ended up being equivalent, even with lower consumption in newer architecture.

[@senol_ozen]

In the tests performed, ray tracing is not active.

[@VeteranSSVahramey]

In my country, the 6900XT costs $130 cheaper than the 7800XT, which one should I buy?

[@CalienW2]

@@VeteranSSVahramey Both have very similar performance. The RX 6900 XT has superior raw performance, however, RDNA3 optimizations and features like AV1 give the RX 7800 XT an advantage in the long term. It depends on what you consider a priority and with both you will be very well served, perhaps a decisive point if it takes a while to make a new upgrade would be the factory warranty.

[@VeteranSSVahramey]

@@CalienW2 I mean buy a PX6900XT from a private person for $427, which, of course, worked for a couple of years, or take a new 7800XT for $562, what do you think?

[@CalienW2]

@@VeteranSSVahramey It depends on what you play, and whether you're going to do other things with it, like streaming and using it to render/edit videos, for example. More modern games that are less optimized for Radeon will run better on the 7800 XT, but the difference still tends to be small and the 6900 XT is a monster, and if you have a PSU that can handle it, it's worth getting it and taking advantage of the price smaller too.

[@Azureskies01]

From what people say the RT cores from RDNA4 will be an actual boost, 6000-7000 was not...uhhh, "good" for RT. The raster performance is nice though. RDNA3 doing the same with less hardware leading to better power consumption is always a good benefit.

[@smithnwesson990]

Actually the 7000 series is a big jump in RT. Look at benchmarks comparing it to 6000 series.

[@Azureskies01]

@@smithnwesson990 It was NOT a big jump, yes the 7800 (60RT cores) for example is at the same performance as the 6800(72RT cores). That is an improvement yes but nothing to write home about. This is from someone who owns a 7900XT, RDNA3 is trash, wait for RDNA4 or just buy nvidia.

[@yomatokamari]

amd admitted they did not optimize raytracing on the rdna 3 cards and is leaving that up to valve to fix it. Intel being on par with Nvidia with worse raster shows this is a driver issue not a hardware one.

[@HankBaxter]

@@yomatokamari I'm confused. How is Valve going to fix it?

[@yacquubfarah6038]

@@Azureskies01 Why did you buy a 7900 XT? Im confused I got a 7800 XT two days ago coming from a gtx 1070.

[@VaroufakisTV]

I love your channel, keep it going amigos.

[@Ivan-pr7ku]

There's very little dedicated logic upgrades for RT in RDNA3. A bunch of new memory instructions that optimize BVH traversal in the local shared memory and (supposedly) higher ray intersection rate. Every other improvement in this generation is more or less general purpose -- larger/faster caches, more registers, wider ALUs and so on. Even the Infinity Cache improvements are not a clear cut. The 7800XT has half the size, compared to 6800/6900 series, measurably higher bandwidth, but tangibly worse latency. RDNA3 couldn't even brute force its way up, considering the meager turbo boost difference.

[@kramnull8962]

I think that's why AMD gimped the 6xxx drivers the week of September 23 when the 7800xt released.

[@wingman-1977]

If you have a 6900XT, it’s kind of pointless buying a 7800XT.

[@Yolcu61]

Dont forget 7 series have anti lag+ and fluid technology. İts a big feature

[@wingman-1977]

@@Yolcu61 F anti lag.

[@mohamad.h4300]

​@@Yolcu61fluid is coming to 6000 series too

[@VeteranSSVahramey]

In my country, the 6900XT costs $130 cheaper than the 7800XT, which one should I buy?

[@lemonke5341]

@@VeteranSSVahramey 6900

[@metagames6396]

you can get more fps in this benchmark if you changed the r9 3900x CPU with 7800x3d or 5800x3d

[@HardwareLab]

No, I can not because tests are gpu limited

[@pprocacci]

Indeed. He's GPU limited. A CPU will do nothing here.

[@IceBreakBottle]

You really don't understand @@HardwareLab

[@HardwareLab]

@@IceBreakBottle what don’t I understand? 🗿

[@BonusCrook]

​@@IceBreakBottlewow what an idiot

[@badishow4807]

As usual, the best!

[@LeGoooze]

A.I.ceberg sounded like the real thing!

[@Pawcio2115]

You basucally bought the same GPU twice

[@joelschwartz4679]

I think you should change the games you test rt performance on since these game you can't even tell that it's even on tbh other than metro exodus. I recommend games like quake 2 rtx, minecraft dxr, ratchet and clank, hogwarts legacy, spider man remastered, lego builders adventure for example as better titles for testing since you will see a major difference in visuals and performance.

[@HardwareLab]

In Forza, Cyberpunk, Watch Dogs it is very easy to spot the difference and RT really makes those games look better. Yes, there is a place for “softer” implementations of RT in test section as well (like dirt 5 and re4) but I’d say they are much more interesting to test than Quake 2, cause that’s the real task and the real games people are playing (including me). Quake 2 is just a tech demo basically. I do agree it’s a good idea to include more games like ratchet, spider man etc, I just didn’t have that much testing time and tested a lot of stuff I had installed. Anyway your request is taken into account, next time we will add some of those games 👍

[@Trampus10-4]

Cpu would have been the better choice in upgrade. 5800x - x3d, 5900x, 5950x all less or equivalent in value to the 7800 xt. All would have pushed ur 6900xt to its fullest. Still a 7800xt on par with a 6900xt is a good comparison. Could still do a cpu upgrade and see the results as well.

[@HardwareLab]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aae6lIena5WDmqMsi=FBMvB9zaasLm41c-

[@Fly1Style]

Faster cpu's will give you better framerates at 1080p and 1440p. But they have little to no effect at 4k. There's plenty of benchmarks on KZbin proving this.

[@HardwareLab]

@@Fly1Style it’s more complicated than that

[@soylentgreen3886]

Both cards are being bottlenecked by your CPU so of course they are pretty much tied.

[@HardwareLab]

Gpu load sensor who?

[@Ojref1]

Yes, go get a 5800X3D and re-run the tests on your 7800XT.

[@HardwareLab]

@@Ojref1 oh, seems like you are ready to pay for that. Do you need my paypal or bank details? As soon as I get paid will go and grab 5800x3d and redo the tests with exactly the same results :)

[@Zkurkom]

@@Ojref1will the 14th gen i5 bottleneck 7800 xt?

[@eriekstriker]

do you even know what bottleneck means?

[@afseale]

Great reviews, thanks!

[@m.m.3753]

My son has my old tuned 6900xt. 1.050V constant 2500 Mhz. On 1.125V 2625 Mhz and 0 drops! Thx Igors MPT!.

[@tomjones4318]

Always good to know your options.

[@F1neW1ne]

It's become pretty clear now that the 7800XT, based on price and uplift, is the replacement for the 6700XT. Same goes for 7900XT is the 6800XT replacement and the 7900XTX is the 6950XT replacement for all the same reasons. Why they chose to shift all the naming one peg up is beyond me.

[@HardwareLab]

Yea, the naming feels really strange 🫤

[@zeeesid2070]

Thank you so much for this video I was looking for a good comparison I got a merc 6900xt for 410$ but after eBay tax 485 wanted to see how much better the 7800xt was

[@mark2drfittechnopointsavage]

7800 свежая карта ,дровами допилят и будет на уровне присерео 6950хт

[@yellowfuntvix1459]

7800XT will definitely have video drivers for Windows 11 and Windows 12.

[@teflondom-w80]

seeing as how the 6800xt was so close to the 6900xt originally its safe to say that the 7800xt is only marginally faster than its previous counterpart and probably even closer to the 6800xt when you factor in the non reference models.

[@HardwareLab]

The models in the test are non reference, Red Devil 6900XT and Pure 7800XT

[@teflondom-w80]

@@HardwareLab Yes of course but the higher end ones will come with 5% ish differences, which is all we are speaking about when we copmpare 6800xt, 6900xt and 7800xt, It kinda puts all those cards within a minus 5% range of each other depending on which model you buy.

[@teflondom-w80]

and when you are within 5% then you can potentially call all 3 a tie, especially when the rest of the system can change everything, different components even in the same spec range can have that amount of influence on results.

[@brahim22526]

I am proud with my RX 6900XT

[@VeteranSSVahramey]

In my country, the 6900XT costs $130 cheaper than the 7800XT, which one should I buy?

[@brahim22526]

@@VeteranSSVahramey i think the 6900XT is the best deal here since it has same performence compared to RX 7800 XT and its cheaper.

[@nimaarg3066]

Don't forget that 6900 XT can be found for $300 in the used market.

[@Zandermo]

In what universe😭

[@VeteranSSVahramey]

In my country, the 6900XT costs $130 cheaper than the 7800XT, which one should I buy?

[@profizzle99]

You are extremely CPU limited. I average 43% more frames with a 6950XT at 4k in AC Mirage

[@mohamad.h4300]

amazing video my man . please test more games with 6900xt

[@halleycolet2269]

4k reso is too much for these two gpus, 1440p is the sweet spot for these cards.

[@blazinking310]

No disrespect but I feel that the gpus are being cpu bottlenecked that’s why the performance seems so similar, a more accurate test could be done with a newer cpu !

[@HardwareLab]

No disrespect but I feel you didn’t pay attention to the stats

[@waqarlashari2768]

​@@HardwareLabyour pc specifications brother?

[@Protector1rk]

What about MPT? You can buy 6800XT put it on the watercooled or change manufacter thermal greease on liquid metal for overclock via More Power Tool to 2600 for gpu and 2150 for memory. Such a modified card will be faster then 7800XT and cheaper. 7800XT is successor to 6700XT, because it have a lower class chip Navi 32. While all card in previuos gen line have flagship silicon Navi 21 in all beginning with 6800 non XT. And most important according to insiders, chips for 7800XT sat in warehouses for six months waiting for the previous gen gpu to sell out. So this gpu's already out late. First RDNA4 gpu planned for spring and RDNA5 flahship on the end of 2024.

[@pdmerritt]

Who cares? Let's put it this way....if this card had the same relative performance as a 7900xt snd they still charged the same price. Do you really care if it's a Navi 32 or is it simply a good performing card and worth the money? Well, in this case it performs more like a 6900xt definitely not as good as a 7900xt but it's definitely worth the money for the performance you get. The 6900xt cost 999.00 at release and last year it was still sitting at 680.00

[@kramnull8962]

I do that on a stock 2 year old MSI Gaming X Trio 6800xt.

[@zerozone5848]

@@kramnull8962 the fact that 6800xt is getting praised in a video about 6900xt vs. 7800xt should tell us how GOATED 6800xt really is.

[@proflex310]

If you were hoping for more, then you had to upgrade to 7900xt from 6900xt.

[@skinnycat8918]

6700 10gb got it for $330, still rocking all games at 1080p and 1440p

[@Protector1rk]

RX 6950 XT: just exist.

[@OnlyLuckyB2]

Its like rx6900xt but with faster vram and oc

[@ingmariochen]

Nice video but... show the power usage for next time, you mentioned at least 10 times and doesn´t put it in your video! 🤦‍♂

[@KhalylaKuhnt]

I was tripping and thought this were done with 1440p gameplay.

[@TurboD16z6]

No watt.... Why?

[@timothydavies5337]

hi all i was thinking of going with the xfx rx6950 xt but im not sure weather or not to go with the rx7800 xt as this card is rdna 3 as a pose to rdna 2 for the 6950 cos im thinking that over time the 7800 will serpass the 6950 over time with software upgrades so longgevity wise it would be the logical choise however on the other hand getting the 6950 would mean id have the peek of the second gen card witch is nice to know as is the best vershion of its generation this is something i am torn over and would really apprishiate any and all thouts regarding this matter thx . ps. thx for this vidio man very imformative great channel bro :)

[@LlGHT]

Get the 6950xt if its around the same price, it is 10% better in raw rasterization performance but consumes more power.

[@PineyJustice]

Spend the extra hundred bucks and go with a 7900xt. Any of them are going to be fantastic especially if you're coming from something older though.

[@timothydavies5337]

i think in the long run it will be a better card with software updates and its gen 3 as a pose to gen 2 so more fuchure proof aswell i gues yee thx for the feedback dude @@PineyJustice both SICK cards and very sexy to boot :)

[@PineyJustice]

@@timothydavies5337 Thing is, the 6950xt uses a lot more power, power monitoring changed between 6000 and 7000, with 6000 only reporting core power while 7000 reports full card power. A 6950xt at 325w is actually using as much or more power than a 400w 7900xtx, so the efficiency gains are not as small as you think just looking at the numbers. I'd either go with one of the 7900xt or xtx cards, or a 6800xt or 7800xt, the 6950xt just uses too much power and is too close in price to the 7900xt to be worth going with.

[@JMNovak1011]

Just depends on whats important to you and what your setup is. Perf/watts go 7800XT. Raw power, no power issues go 6950XT. I have a 6950XT on water, OC and tuned with MPT and I hit 2900mhz core 2410mhz mem(in game sit @ 2850-2875 core) and sucks down 500w. But I put up 7900XT numbers in games and benchmarks. Will serve me till next gen.

[@MerrillDragonAge]

Will 7800XT be bottlenecked by a 5700X? Don't recommend a Zen4 processor because I've already bought a mobo.

[@HardwareLab]

Depends on the games, settings, resolution etc.

[@АдамДзоблаев]

Next time AI would run benchmarks too.

[@TomRocket-zo3hf]

Do you think your 3900X is bottle necking the 7800XT and 6900XT?. Maybe you should get a 7700X + AM5 mobo + DDR5 RAM.

[@HardwareLab]

Maybe I need 7800X3D with rog strix x670 mobo and 7200MHz DDR5 to do a simple gpu test?

[@TomRocket-zo3hf]

​@@HardwareLab - Yes that would be a good idea as AM5 and DDR5 are much cheaper now compared to one year ago, although 7200MHz DDR5 will be very expensive. Originally, Ryzen 7000 series was rated only for 5200MHz but after numerous AGESA updates, this has now increased. The best frequency RAM to use is 6000MHz. See statement from corsair DIY builder - "What is the Recommended DDR5 RAM Speed for Ryzen 7000 Series?. While Ryzen 7000 Series processors support a wide range of DDR5 speeds, an ideal choice would be a kit of RAM rated for 6000MHz (6000 MT/s) per AMD's official recommendation".

[@TomRocket-zo3hf]

@@HardwareLab - Also, do not forget to enable resize bar on your gfx card and in the mobo BIOS.

[@TomRocket-zo3hf]

@@HardwareLab - I almost forgot to ask, but do you own both the 7800XT and 6900XT?. If so, which one do you prefer?.

[@HardwareLab]

@@TomRocket-zo3hf it was a sarcasm. Both cards are gpu limited in the test so there won’t be any difference…

[@HankBaxter]

Well, parity in RT means the new RT chips are a decent chunk better than before.

[@HardwareLab]

Yes, but their improved is almost on par with the improvement done on the rest of the CUs. That’s why I said I hoped for more

[@HankBaxter]

@@HardwareLab fair enough.

[@chrisbullock6477]

No they aren't is the short answer. But if the 7800XT was compared to the 6800XT it would be an even more different conversation.

[@BonusCrook]

What do you mean no? They perform about identically in the tests they ran.

[@kramnull8962]

AMD actually gimped up the 6xxx drivers the week that the 7800xt released. Thanks AMD for trying to pull wool over peoples eyes.

[@Shuttterbugg]

I noticed a difference between my 6950xt and 7900xtx that's for sure

[@HardwareLab]

Of course there is! 6900XT and 6950XT is basically the same card with 6950 only having faster VRAM. The 7900XTX is a lot better than 7800XT in basically everything- more VRAM, more CUs, more ROPs and TMUs

[@jamesg8246]

The production value of this video is good, well done. That being said 6900xt for anywhere close to $500? Not seeing it. Should have been a 6900xt vs 7900XT, more apples to apples to compare two 900 series cards from two generations. If anything this is a good show for the 7800xt which keeps up with what was a $1k card at the $500 price point while consuming less power. Also, 3900X cpu? Pretty sure we are seeing a bottleneck, time to upgrade the cpu to an X3D model.

[@HardwareLab]

At least in the UK, they have around the same price (6900xt and 7800xt), don’t know about the us and other continents But thanks for the feedback :)

[@roki977]

In new games 7800xt starts to shows its advantages and it will only be better with new drivers,,

[@georgelugenalt200]

Guys stop arguing about the CPU. At 4k, the GPU is 99% of the performance...

[@HardwareLab]

99% load*, for most cards and games you don’t usually see 100%, more of 96-99% with whatever cpu

[@alger-y3q]

Nope 6900xt is strong have better memory bandwidth more core shader

[@VeteranSSVahramey]

In my country, the 6900XT costs $130 cheaper than the 7800XT, which one should I buy?

[@evolucion888]

Holy CPU Bottleneck, seeing the GPU using 99% does not necessarily means it is actually 99%, there are some internal components like bandwidth usage and shaders that won't show 100% utilization as its very low end hardware that needs compiler analizing for that. Even today a 6900XT can show gains with a 7800X3D vs a 5800X3D, let alone a 3900X which barely faster gaming wise than the 2700X.

[@HardwareLab]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aae6lIena5WDmqMsi=GEhoRcnujf-b14YU

[@evolucion888]

@@HardwareLab Still it's a mediocre CPU. Even a 5800X can be a bottleneck and this video is a terrible example of a review.

[@HardwareLab]

@@evolucion888 didn’t you check the video? Even 3600 is more than enough in some scenarios. And in this review we are gpu limited. Terrible example of a comment…

[@evolucion888]

@@HardwareLab Wrong again, the CPU scaling with gains with Zen 3 are phenomenal. No wonder why you have so little subscribers with all that misleading data.

[@HardwareLab]

@@evolucion888 well I guess we don’t need subscribers like you who doesn’t even wanna watch the dedicated video that we made specifically about the issue you’re mentioning. All the proves are there, but you just wanna keep your ignorance 🤷‍♀️

[@davefroman4700]

I think all in all the 7800xt may lose a lil bit or performance, but it sure seems that the textures are a lot more vivid with it in most titles.

[@HardwareLab]

There’s no visual difference

[@alexsiniov]

I wont trade my 6900XT Liquid Devil to anything on 5120x1440p resolution yet it does not have at least 50% more performance. P.S. I had 3900x and upgraded to 5800X3D, 3900x was bottlenecking at 1440p. 50%+ load on CPU in games means it's close to max stable performance in terms of micro stuttering. I got this issue fixed by 5800X3D, wanted to upgrade to 5950X, but since I use PC mainly for gaming, I got 5800X3D for no need to add additional radiator to water loop.

[@HardwareLab]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aae6lIena5WDmqMsi=slKUsmzLLoyS-Ccu

[@chrisducati26]

First upgrade your ancient 3900x

[@HardwareLab]

Don’t see a problem with it, suits my need more than good still 🫤

[@chrisducati26]

@@HardwareLab the 3900x serious bottleneck that setup, even if you try to compare the 7800xt vs 4090 will will get the same results

[@HardwareLab]

@@chrisducati26 do you know what gpu load stands for?

[@HardwareLab]

@@chrisducati26 why not a 100% faster?

[@xxtheplague1xx280]

Both are valid points these tests are in 4k, essentially the rt ones as that increases the gpu load past the cpu limit. 1080p non rt would show a cpu bottleneck depending on workload. I think a 5800x3d is about 25-30% faster most cases. Instead try hooking up GPUBusy into overlay to show directly the balance of workloads. Loved the video keep up the grind brother 💪

[@atharhazrianto1329]

You can oc the 7800xt for more perf

[@HardwareLab]

As well as 6900xt

[@DorianColeman]

They are close because of the weak cpu

[@RoyDailyEnjoy]

SAME PRICE SO GO FOR 7800

[@hellopsp180]

7800xt wins IMHO. Newer, more power efficient will have longer driver support. Plus, since you are likely to buy it new, it should have less wear and tear AI voice sounds like he has a cold. So not good enough yet

[@AGENTEN-ry6lr]

my 4070ti super slaps them both.

[@ghostblaze01]

6900 is faster. And better oc

[@justdillon5759]

Most of AMDs gpu need driver updates to perform better just give it some time and the difference will be displayed

[@RED-ss4if]

Among

[@Bk_owns]

My 4090 eats both cards for lunch lol

[@HardwareLab]

And costs a lot more, of course

[@SuDialz]

I am proud with my RX 6900XT

[@VeteranSSVahramey]

In my country, the 6900XT costs $130 cheaper than the 7800XT, which one should I buy?

[@zerozone5848]

@@VeteranSSVahramey 6900xt