RX1200 and SP-1200 sound comparison

[@scaleshenry]

Simply put you guys did a great job with the RX1200! From the sound to the price point this is a homerun in this environment of DAWS!

[@Lofilegacybeats]

You right man. I use Reason and the kong drum don’t have that umph

[@PreciseSense85]

This is so fire, I had to pick up the rx bundle. You guys are doing fine work and never disappoint. An ASR-10 emulation next would definitely be a game changer.

[@_thevaporz]

That bundle deal is great, $39 for both.

[@theredfaceofficial]

Yes ASR 10 please 🔥🔥🔥

[@quantize]

@moodoom same dsp, ASR just had an expanded set of algos

[@oaliel8122]

How can you track out on this?

[@WildAnalog]

Y'all seriously nailed the sound! I am genuinely impressed.

[@seekingtruthonly.4299]

Now give US ASR10 and MPC 3000 and S1000 Please.

[@Mike_Benz_]

That would be so dope to have all these in the line up. Question though, why the S1000? Wouldn't the MPC60 be a better one to do?

[@seekingtruthonly.4299]

@@Mike_Benz_ I've owned both the 60II and S1000. I loved the 60, but stopped using it once I had a 3K The S1k is special. It's not as unique, but was the standard.

[@braien25980]

Not a asr10, the classic 13bit🍻

[@INeedTheTruth]

ASR10 with full modulations options 💯

[@akeyunturned2256]

@@braien25980there you go!

[@theredfaceofficial]

I’m super impressed, they compare incredibly well - hats off to you Inphonic 👏🏼👏🏼🔥🔥

[@Maulleygxxx]

Just copped 2 days ago. Couldn’t be more on time. I just sold my s2400. And was missing the hell out of it. But there was paradigm shift in my studio, I don’t want anything that cant be plugin controlled or doesn’t have a software editor. All of my analog outboard gear is plugin controlled. And want the same with my hardware instruments. So I said bye-bye to my s2400. And VOILAH! This came out. Thank you 🙏🏾

[@Lofilegacybeats]

I sold my s2400 also but for different reasons now we need a RX1200 controller

[@PRODUCEDBYLILDOUG]

​@@Lofilegacybeats that'd be crazy to have a sp1200 midi controller to go with it.

[@Lofilegacybeats]

@@PRODUCEDBYLILDOUG hey I’m working on one also dont get the vst version if you have Reason get the RE version it has a sample button on it

[@MrThecarrott]

@@Lofilegacybeatshaha me too! Did you find one?

[@Robert_Babicz]

love the plugin; goes straight into my regular workflow :-) thank you , amazing sound

[@SupaMarioJCS]

Dis is it!!! Inpohonik yall did that! The sound quality of this plugin is awesome!!!

[@SouthernEmperor]

Compared incredibly well for a $29 plug in. That's insane!!!!

[@h-voltage]

why is the attack very different on the plugin? It has like a small fade-in on the first transient on every clip

[@Inphonik]

We agree. This is the most obvious difference in our current audio model. We'll do our best to address this in the future.

[@seekingtruthonly.4299]

That's what I heard as well. The initial transient isn't there.

[@InspelaRecords]

Anyone who seriously complains about the sound of the RX1200 is nitpicking in the extreme! This thing sounds amazingly close and to say it’s the real hardware or nothing is pathetically ungrateful. For those who don’t have the original, this is a godsend! Absolutely brilliant and I can’t wait to see what you’re going to add in the v1.1 update you’ve mentioned on X. Keep up the great work! Just bought it and I’m totally loving it.

[@Mike_Benz_]

Really cool. And it's going to be in RE format, that is also really cool, thanks. Filter LP2 is the only thing that stood out to me as different from each other.

[@jordi1992-r3m]

Definitely a must cop to my arsenal of plugins

[@damonmelendez1543]

Thanks god you did this beg up samplekings

[@dopesnare]

Although I’m sure the good people at Inphonik welcome criticism happily. Some of these comments are nitpicking and complaining or straight up laughable. (While others are valid) Enjoy a good thing when it comes your way and enjoy your life. If your looking for something to complain about or be angry about you’re sure to find it. The opposite is also true. "I hear a 0.5 db dip at 600hz, shit’s trash" , head ass. Lmao 💙 Every time with every company on every product on every platform, there's line up of people whining about it. Before you think I'm on some brand loyalty BS. These are the facts. ☮

[@freshkidblaze]

I know one thing, it revived old loops I didnt include in my packs. It pitches & colors samples in ways serato sample or simpler can't even with 3rd party effects. I can't wait to see what updates they do to the sampler.

[@jayonbaby]

I’m so happy this has more than 10 seconds of sample time

[@amob2710]

This is a god send.

[@CreamOfBeats]

Any chance that this will be made as a plug-in for the MPC drum machines? ..not the software.

[@Inphonik]

We'll see what we can do!

[@CreamOfBeats]

@@Inphonik an MPC that sounds exactly like an SP1200 would be epic! 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@chosenonebeats]

MPC doesn’t support 3rd party plugins in standalone, just use it in controller mode & you got it

[@aqueous5099]

@@chosenonebeats Yeah, unless MPCs start supporting vst3, it’s going to remain an echo chamber. Standalone solves it though, you right.

[@kobey95]

it would be great to get a feature to sample sounds directly from input sources. but thats already by far the best sp1200 emulation thank s a lor

[@pauliescrolls]

Is there a way to just pass sounds through it? Like putting on a drum buss for example to use it as an effect.

[@Inphonik]

Hi! No, the RX1200 doesn't have an audio input. If you're looking for such an effect plug-in, please consider Wavetracing's SP950.

[@pongtrometer]

Be great to have an input for live processing and sampling in an update.

[@robo.2k]

I find myself using this more to process samples to use outside of the vst rather than actually making beats with it. Great sounding emulation! Also, is there currently a way to zoom in while trimming samples?

[@MachineCityAudio]

I use the scroll wheel on my mouse while trimming the samples

[@niklassilen4313]

Very brave to do such a comparison. It's in the ballpark but yeah, it's not exactly the same now is it? There's more 2nd or 3rd harmonic distortion in the SP1200 in general (it sounds "thicker" and slightly louder even if the volume peak is matched) and your LP2 filter is not the correct shape.. still, this is impressively well in the same ballpark.

[@Iron-Soul]

Maybe future updates can correct all that.

[@aqueous5099]

I could tell more on my headphones, but on my laptop speakers, the difference is like 5-10%. This is pretty incredible.

[@stuartdavid8493]

@@aqueous5099The difference between Abbey Road Studios and a Tascam portastudio is 5-10% on your laptop speakers, you absolute balloon.

[@spectralknights2]

Pls make it an actual sampler that can sample like the hardware. And improve the slicer too

[@bietfriek3601]

I like the sound but when a sequencer isn’t planned make the best of it as a sampler and/or effect. Recording straight onto a pad and/or using the signalpad as an effect (like RX950) would be cool. Since I like the sound of the SP1200 (but on screen not the size) the GUI could be made a bit more effective, it’s code, we don’t have to get away with EPROMs and that kind of stuff. Think bigger buttons and less unused grey space. On my MacBook Air (13inch) I can only use the smallest GUI setting, anything above that makes the plugin so big, I cannot access all the controls anymore, making it useless. I don’t want to sound harsh, I really like the sound but still think things could be more efficient for the end user.

[@whistletom]

Why would you use the clunky sampler from the SP1200 when you can just use your DAW? It's literally a plugin so you're already in the DAW and you can drag any sample straight onto the pad.

[@bietfriek3601]

@@whistletom in my opinion because the clunkyness adds to the workflow, sound and feel of an SP1200. In the original and just as with a MPC60, sounds are cut/trimmed by ear instead of a visual representation of a waveform. You end up with samples that may not start at the beginning but are cut/trimmed because they just sound right. Besides that, in Bitwig I’m not able to drag and drop a bounced piece of audio from my project onto a pad, I first need to save it and dig it up from the specific folder. Being able to load RX1200 as an effect and sampling an input would make that easier. I think the question is what the end user and developer want. Do we just want the sound or a straight emulation? I.m.o. with a straight emulation the sequencer/workflow is part of the deal, hook up a dedicated controller and of you go. When it’s about the sound in a DAW it’s about how you get sound in and/or thru it + the tune function. In that case and at this moment I find the SP950 a better choice, especially since you use it is an effect and because it’s way less space on the screen (only ran a demo of it). When it comes to screen size: On my 13 inch MacBook the GUI on 100% is fairly small and 150% is too big, adding some more options would be very welcome. I also read something about the transients and harmonics well, that’s the magic of the MPC60 and SP1200, they seem to add something punchy. Don’t know what it is, as a layperson it feels like some sort of VCA that boosts the transients.

[@Reggi_Sample]

@@bietfriek3601wouldn’t want this at all. Even MPC have waveform views to chop and edit, to do it by ear map it to a controller and don’t look at the screen?

[@dakidd729]

@@whistletom Coz hes not smart

[@chosenonebeats]

Great plugin love how it sounds, I think copy & paste has to be the very next update you guys do🙏🏽

[@RonnieThisGo]

Does it make your drums hit hard tho? I think most ppl buy the SP 1200 because of the converter and the sound you get in your drums running them through it.

[@Inphonik]

Hi! You can listen to our demo songs kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6m9l32lpt6hjJo But the best way is to test the plug-in. If you dislike it, ask for a refund to cancel your order.

[@playpm]

Hope there's an effect plugin version of this (I know I already own one, but still want to try your solution) it can be easier for ones who don't want to jump out of his current workflow but still want the amazing sound.

[@Inphonik]

Wavetracing has what you need (you're referring to this one, right?) ;)

[@playpm]

@@Inphonik right, I can never remember their brand name lol, anyway, congrats for this one~

J’ai l’impression que le vst est plus shiny dans les Hi ?

[@jamessterlingjr.3744]

Just curious, could I play the drums in "GM MODE" with my controller or assign samples to a key ???

[@Inphonik]

The RX1200 is not designed as a General MIDI sampler, but you can make your own GM preset if you like it. The presets from the RX1200's Factory collection are not GM mapped.

[@grafikwork3808]

Is it possible to copy or duplicate a pad?

[@esahm373]

Would be great indeed, since I use duplicate pad all the time for this production style, especially for chopping up different parts of the same audio on different pads. In the meantime you can just load the same sample on multiple pads, but of course it's not ideal, since you would also have to manually copy the settings on each.

[@Inphonik]

Working on it!

[@grafikwork3808]

@@esahm373 same here, that’s what I do, works fine. Really like the sound on this app💯🔥

[@marcusherbold993]

Nailed it!!!!

[@baybaggins3429]

Has the attack problem been solved? It seemed like there was a fade in the transients. I didn't see it in the last update on the site. It would be great if you fix it. We've been waiting for a long time.👍

[@spikewilliamz8803]

The attack on the RX decay is chopped off a lil bit... You guys should look into that

[@TheOneJPtv]

Well Damn. 🔥

[@luis996]

Hi guys, I'm impressed on how good this plugin is. But there's something odd in the attack of the kick and in the low en in general. The sp1200 sounds punchier and tighter than the RX1200 When tune down is more noticeable. I own the plugin but I do not own an sp1200 so the only way to compare is through youtube videos. Can you check that out? Thanks guys!

[@Inphonik]

Thanks! We know the current model can be improved. At the moment we're working on adding practical features like duplicate/copy pad, embed samples in preset, as well as the iPad version. After that, we'll see what we can do.

[@alanmawdsley6090]

Did these get implemented yet? Especially the issue with the attack @@Inphonik

[@thegoldenamerican]

dynamics are not as wide in software version… I can tell the difference, but it’s pretty good imitation

[@Allious131]

There isn't a difference get those ears checked

[@AgentsofRush]

If you could drag and drop edited audio from studio one's timeline or pool like TAL sampler that would open up a huge amount of workflow goodness 👍

[@Inphonik]

We'll see what we can do!

[@AgentsofRush]

@@Inphonik Brilliant 👍

[@MPHORROCKS]

I love it but there are some buffer-size/timing issues in Logic Pro 10 that currently make it unusable for me, unfortunately. Real shame! :(

[@marcusherbold993]

I’m sure they will update it

[@Inphonik]

Working on it!

[@Free2010Spirit]

@@Inphonik Please Update !!!

[@MPHORROCKS]

@@Free2010Spirit Yes. Please fix it as so many of us just can't use the current version. Even when I reduce the buffer size by half, it's still out of time. Shame the Beta-testers missed it!

[@Skulptursound]

Im pretty stoked to get this as a RE, I really can’t wait… who is the dev on this??

[@Inphonik]

The RE is imminent!

[@bdxfhsf]

@@Inphonik Thank you and I'm just about to trial the RE version but I've read that when using the individual outputs they are still in the main output, too. So, perhaps all one does here is simply turn down the main output once all individual outputs are connected, I guess. Thanks

[@bdxfhsf]

@@Inphonik Ok, so in the RX 1200 RE version in Reason, individual channels going into the Mix channel of the SSL style mixer work but the main output does not cut out automatically but actually sounds great doubled up with the individual channels. Although having these mix channels is cpu intensive for whatever reason. Unfortunately, no channels work (individual and main) on the 14:2 Mixer?! Finally, could do with some mutes and solos, plus, automation of bank buttons so I could use in a combinator. Excellent device and patches, a 49 keybed works great here although there is an option for linear, cool. Nicely laid out GUI and a full amount of CV for all channels.. BIG UP!

[@luxurypickx]

Awesome

[@river718]

GREAT JOB!!!!

[@donaldbittner4654]

The drums sound a little thinner on RX1200

[@ChristopherJenkins73]

So I purchased this a few days ago as the RE and really want it as a vst now.. 😢 I want to be able to use this beast outside reason... Can I get some Love?

[@dakidd729]

🤣😂🤣😂🤣 $30 gonna kill you big boy?

[@ChristopherJenkins73]

@dakidd729 Hey Goofy! 👋🏻 They gave me the Vst for the purchase of the rack extension! It was part of the deal, so you know! Now Scram...🤣😂🤣 Lil Kidd!

[@snares3326]

did anyone compare this to the sp950 plugin?

[@snares3326]

ah, i have only seen this video, thought this could be used as a effect, like the sp950. it does sound better though, less harsh

[@snares3326]

would be very cool and handy to have a pitch slider" only version as a insert effect. cant wait to play with the current version though!

[@bietfriek3601]

@@snares3326 Something like SP950.

[@tali813]

You guys should make an ipad version and a mode that limits you to 20 seconds of sampling time like the Rossum Sp 1200.

[@Inphonik]

The iPad version is in the works!

[@diesdas3226]

Nothing but the real thing!

[@esahm373]

I think the problem is partially that you use an example that already has the SP-1200 sound baked in by default. So it's hard to tell which degree of the SP-1200 sound is due to the way the sample sounds initially and which degree is attributable to the processing in the hardware and emulation. Could you instead use a sample straight from vinyl or a clean audio file?

[@Inphonik]

Hi! The "original sample" heard at the start of the video was made in Reason with Reason modules. So it can be considered "neutral"

[@esahm373]

@@Inphonik Oh thanks. I thought I heard some of that SP-1200 characteristic already in the original sample.

[@freshkidblaze]

Is there a way to make sp1200 regroove patches?

[@Inphonik]

We'll see what we can do

[@bdxfhsf]

ooh that would be cool ;)

[@lextron-audio]

Is there any chance this will be available on IOS?

[@trendtrader4010]

Brilliant

[@vinylselektaz6475]

Will you be adding a built in sequencer soon?

[@Inphonik]

We like it simple so I'm afraid this is a no for now

[@eraldlesi]

No demo?

[@Inphonik]

We don't make trial versions. Instead, we guarantee a refund if you ask to cancel your order.

[@0e0]

transients are totally different and so are the low mids. but the workflow is fun and matters more than splitting hairs about sound

[@A_Class216]

I want to purchase this but i just feel like i can duplicate this sound using rc20

[@tommyk88888]

Will this come to ios? 🙏🏻

[@Inphonik]

Working on it!

[@tommyk88888]

@@Inphonik 🤩🤩🤩🔥🔥🔥🥳🥳🥳 that would be amazing!! Can see this one selling really well on ios 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@djfalafel666]

😍😍😍

[@homeybeats]

nice

[@CreamOfBeats]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@KeysBeMe]

Part of the allure and what gave the SP’s their sound, was also the sequencers swing, groove and timing, so to leave that feature out is a bit of a miss in my opinion. The user may have wanted to use the SP’s sequencer to drive the host DAW’s clock. All the same, may be a viable software alternative to the real thing or Low Hiss Systems eSPI-1200 which hasn’t really matured or gotten any real follow up support. We’ll wait and see on this one and if Arturia takes the bait and makes their own SP-12/1200 (already familiar with the Emulator keyboard they’ve reproduced).

[@_thevaporz]

Watch for Puesa's sp1200 clone. It's the real deal.

[@bietfriek3601]

I had an MPC60 that would also have a “special swing/groove”. What people seem to forget though is that on the MPC60 and SP1200 you have to cut/trim your sounds by ear instead of a visual representation of the waveform. That means that not every sample will start at the beginning and that adds to the overall timing. Adding some standard swing get’s you going.

[@saren6538]

@@_thevaporzhow you know

[@kryskrys2305]

iOS ?

[@Inphonik]

Coming soon!

[@noaharkadedelgado]

0:13

[@Urbek077]

That sp doesn’t sound like sp tbh as the sp does not ring on zero and does not gradually give out more ring (with one step more ring ankther less then the next one more and so on) but the sample at zero is an indicator this is fishy

[@aqueous5099]

On my normal speakers, it’s like 95% there. No complaints from me. 5% is not worth $6000 in this age.

[@Urbek077]

@@aqueous5099 but what I’m saying is that the sp1200 in this video is not an sp1200 as an sp1200 does not have that ring sound on zero pitch, this is a doctored comparison at the very least

[@saren6538]

⁠@@Urbek077I wondered that as my sp1200 doesn’t ring on 0 either .. I’ll get the plug-in and do my own comparison

[@jordachejones4319]

there is no way, this cant be real

[@AlexiKaay]

Oh yes...

[@JasonToll-il5ln]

Listen to the transients when pitching up. Sp 1200 wins

[@thegroove2000]

Its a shame that you didnt emulate the actual in built seqencer and standalone. Why not do it?

[@Inphonik]

We chose simplicity instead of making a sequencer that will run inside another more advanced sequencer.

[@croay]

something is wrong there... I prefer the plugin for some reason

[@grimeyneedle1527]

It's good but in an A/B test I could clearly hear a difference, particularly in the low end.

[@Inphonik]

We too still hear differences. This model is "fair enough" for the initial release. We won't hesitate to make it evolve along the way, thanks to the feedback we receive.

[@mushshrap6471]

The hardware snobs always say this and they always end up failing the blind tests. 😆

[@Allious131]

Yea but we can still make a beat better then hardware snobs who say this, i bet after we are done making bangers no one will notice. The only people who look at grave detail are the ones that suck at making some heat anyways.

[@grimeyneedle1527]

​@@mushshrap6471 dunce you're comparing a sound vs a sound provided by inphonik. i havent had hardware since 2005 with the whole hurricane katrina stuff

[@grimeyneedle1527]

@@Allious131 wth lol.... you're supposed to be listening to the sound closely since you know they put up an A/B comparison video. but yall niggas tampon bleeding because someone says they can hear a difference?

[@hailnaryproductionz3661]

Lol it’s close!!!!! 😂

[@AdamsBrew78]

The hardware had better timing.. sounded more natural and well paced. The difference was more noticeable when tuning up than down. The tone was great on the software - timing is just a bit too strictly quantized, sounding more rushed than hardware.

[@korreyshortime3141]

what are you talking about?

[@AdamsBrew78]

@@korreyshortime3141 The timing being off when pitch shifting. If it’s not obvious to you by ear, you’d be able to see the difference in the transient positions in your DAW if you have both the hardware and software demo lined up on their own separate tracks. This plugin has excellent potential, but there’s always room for improvement in any emulation. If the idea is to get as close to hardware as possible, this is the type of thing they’d probably want to focus on dialing in.

[@Kayford1979]

Timing? I don’t think they incorporated the sequencer in this vst. If the timing is off this most likely is caused by the Daw sequencer used

[@FairchlldMusic1]

I heard a slight difference in the speed of the playback, although the pitch seems on point (one vs the other)

[@Allious131]

@@korreyshortime3141 He's not talking about anything he's mad like others that he spent thousands on useless hardware.

[@reonom8825]

Excellent sounding plugin, way too cheap for this quality. The only real difference I could hear is on the LP2 Filter comparison.

[@theonethatslept9450]

"Uda imin presenda quuntium alicidisci nobis consequ iandipsum labor sim veruptaest, te odi qui sus eos eium conseque am sum aut faceaquod quid quatem." Um, Inphonik? Care to explain why this is in your Manual Lol

[@Inphonik]

Probably some graphic designer who did sleep on his dummy lorem ipsum text :) I'll check that! William

[@theonethatslept9450]

@@Inphonik Thank you for the response, I was more curious than anything else. It's under the "Open Content Folder" Section. Huge thank you to you guys for developing what became my favorite plugins within a day, capped the Bundle with the RX950 and I absolutely love making music with them. The sound is gorgeous, gritty, phat and just delightful in so many ways. The RX950 pairs incredibly well with the RX1200, I am amazed by the work and love you put into your Plugins. Thank you Inphonik, keep it up.

[@joeyf808]

sounds like the 1st beat is cutoff, unusable.

[@larrytan73]

See, there are many tests you can run. Everything will come down to the consumer in the end. The truth will be revealed. People will discuss whether it sounds positive or negative. I'm telling you right now, Bro! your mistake. It's not standalone! There are too many options, man! ..

[@larrytan73]

You know this means nothing!? We don't know what you did!

[@Inphonik]

Made a reference sample in Reason with a groove, a rhodes and a tamborine. Sampled it into our SP-1200. Recorded the SP-1200's output with all desired settings. Rendered the RX1200 with the exact same settings. Cut & edited in Adobe Premiere.

[@japanairhome]

RX1200, lack of musicality. I love RX950 though.