ryan trahan and haley pham need to press pause

[@asleepyjk4619]

ryan is literally dating the person he would make fun of in his commentary vids.

[@uzomajovitachinenye7531]

i swear i made this comment on one of his youtube vids . he is becoming the person he hates so sad

[@justthetruth3950]

Yeah!! I made a comment like that too

[@elisabef]

The thing is she wasn’t like “this” before

[@brookehardingn]

i love ryan and haley but i feel like she is somewhat controlling? like all of a sudden when they moved in together he stopped cussing, doing commentary making fun of people, and always talks about god now. i feel like she wants him to be this perfect angel. but i don’t really know. it’s what she comes off as

[@finleywestover7108]

😭😭 old ryan was so much better. i miss the commentary with ryan yerrow, running videos and him just being himself. Haley just makes it feel so superficial now

[@riley-qo9je]

I just don't think they understand that you get married and get a house because you're mature, you're not mature because you got married and got a house

[@jasonvietta]

ooooooh this

[@lovehorsesforever8]

YES EXACTLY

[@JenMcQueeney]

well said

[@rebeccasrandomness3045]

Well said

[@tejasviniv6902]

Wow

[@jenniferh9612]

“eDucAtIoN iSnT nEceSsARy” ms pham education has been sociologically proven to be a major tool for social mobility how can she even say that

[@bekinddrinkwater]

@abbu babu it's not the fact that people are telling them what to do, or even the fact that they're doing something else in the first place, it's the fact that they're both (primarily haley tho) so flippant about the fact that higher education is a crucial and necessary part of so many peoples' lives. they act as if one can just choose what they want to do and make a decision based on what makes them the most happy rather than factoring in so many important other things, like financial status. ryan and haley can do what they want and choose to ignore comments regarding their own way of life, but when they blatantly disregard good faith criticism telling them they shouldn't be telling people 'just do what you want' and practically advertising and promoting not going to college, that's when the line should be drawn.

[@NomNomGirl1]

abbu babu schooling isn't necessary but education 100% is. You see all these celebrities who claim to be scammed from bad business deals but in reality they didn't read the fine print. Even Kanye West is now complaining about bad business deals he made because he wasn't educated.

[@moni4515]

It’s SO concerning to see how she’s surrounded by yes men which is why she can’t take constructive criticism. All the false info she was spreading during her podcast and lily would just say “yeah that’s true” and “yes I heard that too” is why she doesn’t try and educate herself and it hurts her audience. It’s sad really.

[@kyliemiller173]

i think she’s been surrounded by yes men for so long that now everything that isn’t a yes is automatically hate in her mind :/

[@dotcom3015]

Maybe lily was just as uneducated. It’s so weird to reduce everyone around Hailey as a yes man when none of us have seen all her interactions with others.its hella demeaning

[@hungergames1D]

I also noticed that during those clips...I was like "does this girl not have her own opinions?"

[@BambiIves]

They just seem like two kids from broken homes who are trying to make up for it by doing "everything right" and getting married, creating the happy family they didn't have.

[@antonxtte]

Facts

[@charlotted4642]

Bella M because it leads her into doing stuff the disingenuous to her and stuff she just feels like she needs to do to be a “good” christian or a “good” girl

[@samnguyen5508]

Bella M no they just shouldn’t have kids lol. clearly Haley doesn’t know shit about birth control and i really pray she does not get pregnant. Getting married, purchasing a home, and having sex without proper birth control are VERY big steps. They aren’t just “haha yolo” fun things to do. They are serious decisions with serious consequences. 2 broken immature people should NOT have children period. they are not ready to raise another human being!!!!!!!!

[@CALLMEKAFOI]

Sam Nguyen Why are we assuming they are broken just because they come from “broken homes”? We don’t know the healing they’ve undertaken or how their upbringing has even influenced their relationship for that matter. I think it’s a little cruel to deny people who don’t come from nuclear families the chance to start and enjoy their own :/

[@samnguyen5508]

d People from “nuclear” families can have kids AFTER therapy, and/or actual maturity. You aren’t mature cuz u can pay a mortgage bill :/ She can’t even say “penis” or “sex” lmao you think that lil girl is ready to raise a baby? If you can’t figure out birth control thats on you but she is endangering a lot of other lil girls who might fucking get pregnant!!! And she might get pregnant too!! that’s dangerous af. Kids aren’t fun lil toys you can have with no consequences. Kids will eventually be adults. You are making a life. Kids will NOT heal you or your problems. That’s selfish as fuck to think. And it is outrageously irresponsible to make FALSE claims about birth control (ie: u can only get pregnant 6 days out the month). Most people are not ready to start a family and Haley/Ryan are on the farthest end of not ready. They are both young and immature still so I do pray that they really don’t have kids. I pray that somehow she does not get pregnant. I would not even be surprised if they had a kid to keep the views coming in 🤦🏻‍♀️

“It’s more popular in Europe.” Dude, I am from Europe and no, it is not. I am twenty and I literally do not know anyone married my age.

[@zeynepenson]

It’s literally reverse. The average age of marriage in the US is a lot lower compared to the ones in a lot of European countries

[@lovehorsesforever8]

Maybe 100 years ago lmao but not now

Ashlee Royster exactlyyyy, lmao! I really am curious what she even meant when she said “Europe”. I feel like those ppl often don’t even know where Europe is and that it’s not only one country but many, many countries which are so different from each other. I mean I am from the Czech Republic (Europe) but if I went to e.g. Poland, country we border with, the mentality would already differ a bit, even though we both are Slavic nations. I am not saying that I can name all US states and pinpoint where they are but at least I don’t live in the bubble Haley is living in.

[@renee_6974]

It was popular in europe in the 17th century lmao. People usually dont get married until late 20’s/30’s around here

[@skycaroline9416]

yh same and hardly anyone in their 20s is married

[@ellarene3478]

also just because you buy a house at 18 and make a living as an influencer doesn't mean you are more mature than other people your age. how offensive.

[@ellarene3478]

also i feel like Ryan looks really uncomfortable in a lot of his vids w haley

[@unknown-jd3dz]

It does because a house is a huge responsibility and how many people their age an you say are ready to take that on?

[@yoshita4140]

​@@unknown-jd3dz having the monetary means to buy a house is very different from having the mindset/maturity to buy a house

[@linadams1965]

Lana just because you have the money to buy a house does not mean you have the mindset to handle the responsibilities of house ownership. Considering that they haven’t even fully furnished their house (they still don’t have living room furniture) and they’ve already bought another house to “flip”, just shows how little mental capacity they both have for this type of responsibility.

[@ellarene3478]

@@linadams1965 period

[@0xaliciaaa]

christian youth is quite crazy and out of touch with reality. the way she shames and talks about sex is also so harmful for young girls. why are you getting married if you cant even talk about sex? its embarssing to look at knowing the youth following she has.

[@isabelamoore337]

I’m a Christian youth and i think her views are very out of line from Christian views. She doesn’t seem very mature and isn’t good for ryan

[@0xaliciaaa]

Isabela Moore sorry, i totally should’ve mentioned that i meant the people that are similar to how she behaves, or really anyone that shames people for sex, orientation, sexuality, etc. i don’t mean christian youth in the way that you guys are mentioning yourselves! sometimes it’s the organized religion that is the issue, and not the fact that anyone follows god. i’m not religious or believe in anything for a lot of reasons, but christianity is based in love and acceptance - and it’s not what i get from her :/

[@isabelamoore337]

Alicia Grimes it’s all good! I completely agree with you! Hope you have a great day :)

[@magnoliatree123]

Alicia Grimes Despite being taught to speak love, we are also taught to shed light on the truth and God’s word, which you can better understand by reading the gospel. Christianity definitely isn’t about “love and acceptance” but more so serving, praising, and telling others of our God. We can’t pretend to turn a blind eye to many sins and be all about acceptance, which is being more worldly and Christian.

[@0xaliciaaa]

Kapush Cinema i’m not reading the gospel anymore but thank you for voicing why many people do not follow a religion who doesn’t practice speaking love and picks and chooses “sins” to smite people over.

[@ThemedNumber02]

When you’re here for KZbin drama but you get a slam dunk session of financial literacy in the middle of it

[@lallivillagomez7517]

bossy LMAO but I mean at least we learned something throughout these 2 hours😂

[@anniepaul574]

ALSO an entire class on the menstrual cycle and birth control~

[@aliyahrants5092]

i was shook haha

[@jennikookie]

LOLOLOLOLOL

[@caitlingee642]

bruh school could never

[@isabelladuretto9162]

The “We already have a house together mentality” is as dumb and immature as my mentality at 15yo with my first boyfriend who was toxic af, I would be like “We’ve been together 2 years already so I can’t broke up with him bc it means I have wasted 2 years of my life so I guess there’s not turning back now”. I’m not saying their relationship is toxic, but the mentality is, and it concerns me so so much.

[@starheartskull15]

They’re essentially kids who happened to make enough money to buy a house. Just cuz you have the money doesn’t mean you should, and just cuz you CAN buy a house doesn’t mean you’re mature

[@Fannywikstrom95]

Omg my 15 yo self feels very attacked

[@hopetateword]

Monica Diaz missing the point my friend. Maybe you are so happy and mature and able to buy a house and ready to get married, and that’s fine. But these two are saying they are ready to get married BECAUSE they have the money to buy a house, but that logic is bad, and is not a reason to get married.

[@rm3325]

For sure!! And this is already something super challenging for all long term couples, even older/more mature ones; my 30 y.o. sister was in a ~4 year partnership and absolutely miserable, but put off ending it for so long solely because cohabitating had fused their lives together to a point where she didn't know how to exist outside of it.

[@camilan6244]

This!!! My theory is that toxic relationships are similar to cults. You feel like you can’t get away because you would be admitting that you made a huge mistake and wasted a long period of your life as well as money

[@madelinekushner9292]

It's elegantly ironic that two people who've built brands off of being "carefree fun-loving teens" are so obsessed with being mature adults

[@themango9644]

Its cuz they got married. Bad decision. getting married makes you think you need to mature up like buying a car and a house

[@joyifu]

@@codymenesini5102 how ironic

[@Alexa-so4jh]

@@kate-zh4ny he’s not even religious, the reason why they married so quick is because they wanna bone but Haley doesn’t wanna bone until marriage. Now Ryan has said he’s fine having sex before marriage but he’s not doing it with Haley because he respects her wishes and loves her. So probably would’ve waited more if that wasn’t the case.

[@uLone]

Would you rather them having their brands being carefree with them *not* trying to be mature adults? Because that just results in what Logan and Jake Paul use to be.

[@Hughjasslol1]

@@codymenesini5102 Haley's channel, maybe. But Ryan is killing if more than ever now

[@javipaz410]

i deadass watched a 2 hour essay about r&h. thats more than the time i have spent watching them combined lmao

[@pepperminterica]

Lol same!

[@astoldbyfrancia]

Same 😂

[@joysloan1483]

If she was that dissapointed about greece, she should just wait until her wedding night...

[@dodalele6509]

omg THIS SENT ME

[@yesi07]

Lol well let’s hope for the best!

[@dogcatdogable]

Ryan's waited so long it's about to be a wedding minute

[@grey4570]

@@dogcatdogable STOP HAHAHAHAHA

[@rebecca5253]

Whats crazy is the pressure might not even let him perform as this happens to many men during their first time and we already know how that’ll bruise her ego especially since shes not educated at all on the topic

[@Alice-gc3mr]

The sad thing is if Haley were to see this she wouldn’t even stop to consider any of it

[@JenMcQueeney]

She posted on her story that Ryan is only showing her positive DMs about it.... so so typical

[@jennaazeez1367]

i totally agree. constructive criticism keeps you grounded, and haley seems to be completely brushing it off. i feel bad watching this VERY YOUNG couple kind of ignore these very important points that were brought up in the video

[@JenMcQueeney]

Jenna Azeez ugh she just responded to someone under her last insta about it but we know from Ryan she hasn’t even watched it yet ... she said she’s not who she was last year like girllll so much stuff has happened within the past couple months!

[@jennaazeez1367]

Jen McQueeney exactly. she really should make a video about it and address it. everything seems super vague and ik she’s probably just processing it rn but something has to change.

[@EverythingHP]

@@JenMcQueeney she limited her insta comments - i don't think it was necessary - i haven't seen actual hate coming from this video, but she does tend to disable or delete comments about hate... idk maybe she needs time to process it, but i think its a little wrong to limit Instagram comments

[@macellanguyen]

i think hailey believing she can go to college just because she wants to is very naive. yes she maybe would have the money but she didn't finish high school.

[@sauberseb8997]

she was in her senior year too like- girl rlly should've j finished

[@JaxiXD210XD]

I didn’t even realize she said this- I’ve never looked into applying for college without a high school diploma but I hope she understands that there are requirements to apply/to get accepted

[@laurenfalzarano1210]

She mentioned in one of her older videos that she finished hs online

[@baileywalter4538]

“the thing is it’s not a western idea” “it’s more popular in europe” girl- I know you didn’t finish high school but you should know that the western world is EUROPE, the americas, and australia

[@ES-fe9uw]

!!!!!!!

[@Emilia-hj5xw]

Also can Americans stop acting like Europe is a country? Every single European country is super different, you can’t generalize it AT ALL! A Spanish person and a danish person are so crazily different.

[@dongolongbingbong918]

MYbe if u alll weren’t friiiicking FUCK haters u would stand up for Haley!!!!!!! Fake fans you are all mean MEANIES MEANIES MEANIES MEANIES

[@sophiaholness9823]

Dongolong bing bong says the one blowing up

[@unknown-jd3dz]

Eastern Europe isn’t part of the western world

[@emmamae4244]

the birth control situation pissed me off so much. she spread so much false information to her young audience and it really showed how uneducated she is.

[@themango9644]

That's y her young audience needs to be educated themselves

[@emmamae4244]

The Mango that doesn’t justify it. she is an influencer and she should know better than to spread information that she clearly hasn’t educated herself on. saying you can get only pregnant 6 days out of the month is so stupid.

[@themango9644]

@@emmamae4244 it is. But That's y ppl need to educate themselves so they can know when ppl say something false.

[@emmamae4244]

The Mango that’d be nice but that doesn’t mean it’s gonna happen for everyone.

[@themango9644]

@@emmamae4244 it needs to

[@natmich2040]

Let me say this for all their young viewers... having money, buying homes and getting married DOES NOT MAKE YOU MATURE.

[@Amberknabe]

Yep moving out of your parents house and working is what makes you mature

[@prettyeyed2251]

And it doesn’t give you a pass to market whatever you want on the internet 🙃

[@seanamonroy889]

Amber Knabe they did do that? KZbin is a job and they both run their merch stores

[@alishanaqvi7316]

did i just watch a 2 hour video about them. yes. I have been trying to find someone that was just as confused by them buying a house to flip when they have no expierience lol

[@AmandaSantos-if9jc]

i found the people that think what i think but never had the words for

[@lydie9992]

How does one gain experience...by practicing and doing something. Lol do you expect them to gain experience by not trying?

[@alishanaqvi7316]

​@@lydie9992 because people who flip houses usually have some practice and they learn how to make it work. All the designing shes done is for her room? lmao

[@lydie9992]

Alisha Naqvi I dont think a degree is necessary in order to start something but you’re right, i think she is rushing into a huge project when she hasn’t even fully explored real design within her own spaces.

[@14Mlast14X3]

Alisha Naqvi no one gets a degree in flipping houses. If you go to any investment convention the experts will all encourage you to just go for it and take the first risk in order to gain the experience and learn.

[@chloes6213]

What literally frustrates me the most is that Haley always making false claims about the medical community when she has no idea how it is even structured. Nurses are nurses, doctors are doctors, physician assistants are physician assistants. In no world are nurses doctors or doctors physician assistants. Now if someone is a nurse and decides to go back to school to get a medical degree then yes, that nurse can become a doctor. Or if a doctor wants to go back to school and get a nursing degree then yes, that doctor can become a nurse. But they all have different functions in the medical world and have different degrees.

[@orenthalcorneliushayesakag4285]

IK it’s so crazy... like doctors are in MEDICAL school for typically about 13 years and nurses go to NURSING school for 4.. they both have completely different jobs, they just both work in the healthcare field

[@V1ckyK4r1]

I think maybe she meant a nurse is still a medical provider, but yeah schooling/experience/certification determines your role in the medical hierarchy and what you’re legally allowed to implement as medical care. She is kind of ignorant about a lot of things and seems too arrogant to want to correct them.

[@orenthalcorneliushayesakag4285]

SplitDecision my mom is a nurse LMAO no i’m not.. nurses work just as hard if not harder than doctors within the field and they are the backbone of hospitals. the point i was trying to make is that haley was expecting a nurse, who is not a doctor, to be a doctor. it’s unrealistic and totally unfair to nurses who already work so hard for patients

[@sadienew941]

The way this video is marketed as a long essay about how Haley and Ryan are young dumb rich kids, and is, but also gives super in-depth advice about religious relationships, abstinence, pregnancy, age, buying a house, investments, contraception, social media, mental health, healthy relationships, and divorce cycles is absolutely insane. This is exactly how drama videos should be. Forever. It's not even like learning from them but learning so that we can correctly make better decisions for ourselves. Thank you sir.

[@brianner3378]

Exactly what I was thinking, I learned so much valuable information from this video. I appreciate all the time and effort put into this to help Halie and Ryan but also the viewer.

[@callingcolleen]

She thinks the nausea is bad on birth control? Girl, good luck when you get pregnant.

[@brookehardingn]

lowkey worried too. i want their marriage to workout but she will get pregnant if she’s not careful. she said she wanted kids around her 30’s so that could be a problem for their marriage. i don’t think she would get an abortion either considering how “christian” she is

[@genoswest7253]

I feel like she undermines everything with this “it can’t be thAT bad” attitude and gets shocked when it happens. Such a harmful way to go on about life. She needs an actual parental figure :^(

[@themango9644]

@@brookehardingn i didn't even know she was married....now i found out shes not using birth control...i know who she is and used to watch her but I'm disappointed lol

[@starheartskull15]

Literally my old teen coworker told me, when she was pregnant and I asked why she hadn’t been using protection, “I tried the pill for a week but it made me feel nauseous so I went off it”. Girl now you’re nauseous for 9 months!!! At least with birth control, or at least I’m my experience the pill, you gotta let your body get used to it for a few months then you’ll feel mostly fine 🙄

[@idontknow-tj5vo]

"if someone wants to get married at 17, thats their timeline" um WHAT? 17 is a MINOR. A CHILD. they cant CONSENT. istg saying that "everyone has their own timeline" is true to an extent, but this is because life "milestones" require emotional maturity that they clearly lack.

[@donotenter_3311]

i dont know Yo!!! I’m a 17 year old guy and tbh I am not ready for marriage yet. Especially at this age, like let me graduate HS first. And go to college before living with someone forever and raise kids. (Or a pet). I can’t even raise myself yet. 😭😭😭

[@asapsharad7989]

​@@donotenter_3311 different ppl grow up at different rates. You arent everyone. With your age yiur parents probably worked their ass off so stop crying lil bro

[@savvygrace3376]

I've been watching Ryan and Haley for a long time and have been confused as to why I've been almost fascinated with the bad taste they've been leaving. I couldn't put my finger on it, but this video is really spot on. It's almost like they're "playing the part" of an adult for their audience but instead of coming across as inspirational role models their performance is shallow and misguided. I came to this video expecting a hate piece but I stayed the whole way through because it was more influential towards my thoughts on marriage, money, and maturity than any of the shit Ryan and Haley have been spewing. Keep it up, I'd love to see more videos like this on the platform! As evidenced, educated people educating the masses is in fact important!

[@sachk6065]

i feel the EXACT same way about being fascinated with the bad taste

[@rainkaine4416]

sachii. k. me too

[@juliasoszynska1168]

Savvy Grace me too! I couldn’t get myself to unfollow them because it’s so fascinating to see them navigating thru the criticism lol. I also loved this video, it made me reflect on so many things

[@rachel5399]

She's okay with rebranding herself as his wife, boasting with pride that they're mature enough to handle marriage so young, but is afraid and uncomfortable by PDA? Even when he openly said it hurts him? Make it make sense.

[@xtessalynn]

i haven't seen anyone else comment on this -- did you notice when he was genuinely talking about how her rejection of his physical affection hurts him she was LAUGHING???

[@Luna_Lucy._]

@@xtessalynn Y e s, so weird!

[@danafradi8607]

To be fair.. a lot of people are uncomfortable with PDA. I don’t take that as a sign of her immaturity, but I think it points to her Christian views of being “good” and “pure”.

[@rachel5399]

@@danafradi8607 I can sympathize with people with higher anxiety levels, don't get me wrong. But, not only is she hurting him by not even being able to hold his hand, especially when basic affection like that seems to be the only physical and intimate contact that the relationship gets, but she is majorly contradicting herself. You cannot be mature and an adult if you cannot listen and empathize with your partners needs too. Christain or not, that is very childish. Also, it's incredibly phony that you rebrand yourself and your content to being a future wife, when you cannot even give someone a kiss on the cheek in public. You cannot make a point on the internet by deleting comments online that are not hate, but legit critiques. You cannot say that people are projecting themselves into your relationship, when you are establishing a personality on social media as someone else.

[@rachel5399]

@SplitDecision I'm not going to debate with someone who thinks 1. I was insulting them by critiquing a flaw they fail to realize, which is what the video is about, proving to me that you didn't watch it or comprehend, and 2. Someone who thinks "make ya face make sense," is an insult. I will leave with this. My comment, and this video, is pointing out the fact that those "kids" think they're adults, and are possibly making huge mistakes financially as well as mistakes that might harm them mentally and emotionally in the future. None of this was hate, I was a fan of Haley up until a year ago, when I noticed her personality was lacking and quickly becoming selfish and recycled. Seeing her decline and become so arrogant is heartbreaking. The fact that you portrayed my comment to be out of malice, without failing to understand my point, proves your character to me instantly.

[@najiakhan7265]

no one: haley: sO bC iM a sEVeN oN tHE eNnEaGrAm

[@entriesfrommytwenties8146]

Najia Khan I get so annoyed that she bases her life decisions and justifies her actions on that.

[@naomijonathan2948]

i really hope he sees this. I’m 15 and christian and i looked up to haley and lily quite a lot and this video has really made me think and probably has shaped some decisions i’m gonna make when i’m older. The birth control section really made me think. thank you

[@basementbats]

So proud of you for being open to evidence-based criticism/advice and seeking to educate yourself 🙌🏼 best of luck

[@naomijonathan2948]

@@basementbats thank you! :)

[@evelyn2420]

I agree completely, I am 15 and Christian as well and I’ve been a fan of Haley for quite some time, but I kept an open mind to his criticism. I’m glad this video was so educational as I’ve learned a lot from it.

[@arianabrowne9955]

Me aswell. I had been thinking about love and all recently and I found that like haley I can be very naive from this video, a great eye opener really. Personally I feel I'm very goal driven, which has recently came to my attention, never really thought I was but I guess I have been, but that isn't what life is about truly, I feel like haley kind of holds those values too which can come to her demise sometimes. Taking life slowly is truly a gift that we all have we just need to unlock our true selves. All the love to you guys, I wish you a bless journey! 💕💕

[@JenMcQueeney]

Wow I could never put into words why haleys condescending handling of sex to her audience has bothered me for so long, but now I see the hypocrisy of her saying everyone has their own path in life while simultaneously indoctrinating her fiance and mother and shaming others is what really was triggering me. As someone who grew up in a catholic household and had to work through sexual shame, this was really eye opening for me

[@ambergreig3768]

"I'm just trying to stay pure" like okay so I'm dirty because I've had sex???? okay sis

[@JenMcQueeney]

Amber Greig literally I was one of the first comments on her Greece vid saying exactly this that got hundreds of likes. And her “apology” video glanced over this by just saying “if you know me you know I didn’t mean to offend” ...... like ok that’s not anything meaningful

[@thaliap3125]

Spot on

[@thewdisdeadyup46]

I can’t even begin to understand how much work was put into this video. From the research, compiling of video clips, voice overs, to the editing. This video was so well done and very educational. It made me asses my relationship with my own serious boyfriend and I’ll be asking him some of the 31 questions because they’re things I haven’t really considered. I’m sad this video isn’t reviving the credit it deserves. I liked the video due to the amount of time put into it and the amount of education presented in an unbiased format. Great job!

[@kirstencabatu]

this other girl in the Call Me Candid podcast is either the worst or the best enabler I just can’t..,,, who just blindly agrees with everything someone says and has no other thoughts of her own at all??

[@dinakarassane4123]

Honestly She's really sweet! I just think she's non confrontational and lets haley get away with too much

[@julianajaasma6816]

@@dinakarassane4123 yess and also Haley tends to interrupt her I actually like Lily but they are not a good duo

[@kirstencabatu]

HeyHeyHeyyy that sucks :-( i can totally see her being a sweet girl, I just hope she realizes that agreeing with everything haley says isn’t doing her any favors at all. Might get tangled in some mess, especially with the birth control mishap :-(

[@kate-zh4ny]

she seems really sweet, she is a people pleaser and I am too but I think she needs to realize what she is doing.

[@nikahatt]

When she started complaining about how the nurse wasn’t a doctor 🤦🏻‍♀️🤮

[@BubbleCatFTW]

nikahatt it literally insulted me bc im a nursing student who sees the type of shit nurses have to deal with at clinical LOL

[@rainkaine4416]

BubbleCatFTW my mom’s a nurse and honestly she works harder than some doctors in her workplace lmao. Also the way nurses get treated is so fucking shitty considering they are like the backbone of hospitals

[@JordanLouw]

I'm a med student and if the past couple years have taught me anything, it's that nurses do a shit ton of work that most healthcare facilities would not be able to run efficiently without!!! Major respect for the nursing profession

[@BubbleCatFTW]

Turtle if you watched her Greece video she literally said she didnt trust the nurse bc she wasn’t a doctor/qualified healthcare professional. She blamed the nurse when Haley herself wasn’t truthful with the questions the nurse was asking. The fact of the matter is nurses are more experienced than doctors are because they spend more time at the bedside with the patient. She’s basically undermining the whole community of Nursing, which includes Nurse Practitioners who are able to literally care the same level as a doctor. Yeah nurses don’t have MDs but This is why her statement is problematic.

[@BubbleCatFTW]

Turtle I meant to say nurses have more experience than doctors because they spend so much time with patients. Thus expanding their knowledge. Pardon the misunderstanding.

[@audreycat1791]

How does this not have more views???? Like this was so good like I-

[@Kittycretacious]

Talking about how mature you are is the last thing a mature person talks about. It’s like Haley is constantly trying to convince herself. From what I’ve seen of Ryan, he has a very calm and seemingly mature presence. (Though I’m not actually sure of who/how he is.) Hayley seems to have a young soul, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but she’s always fighting it back. You can see this very clearly in the videos before her Greece video where she has a video about dressing like a boss /being a lady boss or something. She’s like a child playing dress up/ house. The maturity she so desperately attempts to portray only makes her seem more childish.

[@ninjadrops196]

Yess this!!!

[@morganwilliams4689]

Yes they also remind me of Robert and his girl friend I forgot her name but some people just naturally act young.

[@kate-zh4ny]

Agreed

[@brileigh6099]

Stopped supporting them a while ago. Sucks to see the fame get to their head. :/

[@kate-zh4ny]

I support Yerrow the most now, I barely support Haley anymore and Ryan’s videos are honestly still pretty good so I still watch him. I feel like Ryan’s changes are because of Haley though.

[@rrosewaterr]

I feel bad that she's building up losing her virginity the way she is. I know everyone's experience is different, but from most girls, including myself, the first time is quite uncomfortable. For me, it look about 6 attempts at intercourse to finally be penetrated. I had to stop the previous times because it was too painful and I got too into my head about the process because I also grew up with the concept of "losing my purity" and guilt.

[@bettyb5259]

Thank you for this! Hope you're doing better ♡

[@rrosewaterr]

@Tonia Mukami thank you

[@rrosewaterr]

@@bettyb5259 Thank you

[@emilyyoung2179]

same happened to me, i really hope she comes back to reality because things don’t go as smoothly the first time or like us multiple

[@themango9644]

Should've got drunk. It would've been fun-er

[@annareitler9395]

I am so glad you made this! I agree with e v e r y t h i n g you said. She’s been driving me crazy ever since she dropped out, and I used to love her. I want to scream when she talks about reproductive health.

[@annieroan875]

Or really when she gives any life advice that she herself has not experienced :/

[@ciaosunny4216]

THIS

[@Haysalto]

Same!! I used to be such a fan of hers but slowly over the years as I’ve kept up with her I’ve realized how out of touch she is and how detrimental her “life advice” is for her younger audience! I’m glad I’m old enough to realize that she isn’t the best person to be taking advice from...

[@annakoon9067]

I know exactly what you mean. Her content has irked me a lot lately as well. Especially the amount of entitlement she carries while spreading misinformation. Like, girl, if you want to drop out of high school, fine. However, please make it ABUNDANTLY clear to your young impressionable followers that they should not also drop out of high school or opt-out of college just to follow your example!

[@deborahwey4183]

yep yep yep

[@helloalexandraa]

I really don’t care if Haley or Ryan watch this, but I do hope their fans give this video a chance so as to unlearn some of the problematic life and medical lessons they teach on their platform. I played this video as background noise, but around halfway through, I was hooked. Even as a 25 year old woman, I learned something new. It’s also so obvious that these two are basically playing house and it’s really hard to hear them talk about life as if they have the perspective and experiences of a couple so much older. A mature 19 year old is still a 19 year old. Being an adult is far less glamorous than they make it seem and it’s honestly a privilege for them to decide they’re not kids anymore when some people don’t get that choice.

[@emiliacwaskdl1934]

She deleted my comment on her Instagram asking why she was not social distancing lol. It’s disappointing seeing smaller, “unproblematic” influencers like her avoiding critique.

[@Vivian_here]

I wondered the same thing with all her friends preparing for their wedding.

[@giannamartin8608]

I’ve commented about this a few times. She boasts about how she and Ryan wont be the couple to have a “long engagement” which just means she’s planning this wedding with no regard for the pandemic/social distancing. She and Ryan have a large circle of friends, all of whom do not wear masks/social distance, so I expect the wedding to go similarly. No one really knows when this pandemic is going to be officially over, and as an iNflUenCEr, she should be leading by example and not showcasing her planning one of the most irresponsible things you could be doing right now,,,

[@Vivian_here]

Gianna Martin yes, the fact that she’s really expecting to have her wedding soon is really bad. Like the fact that she and Ryan doesn’t wear a mask is wrong, like that’s the least they could do.

[@linzymetz8036]

Their wedding is on November 8th, and if I read correctly, Austin is banning all big gatherings through Christmas. So idk how they are going to legally have the wedding

[@Vivian_here]

Linzy Metzger Texas is “opening up” (as if we’ve been quarantining this whole time but I guess I didn’t get the memo) but cities like Austin and Houston have rules about large crowds.

[@K3LM4]

Ryan was such a good business man, like with neptune and everything, seemed like his mind was so good. Since Haley got to his life he did a lot of premature choices, they didn't even celebrated the first year of relationship cause he was almost moving with her, he bought a house and was already planning marriage. He lost track of what he was doing.

[@laurenandrews9108]

So the thing with Neptune (and feel free to correct me if i’m wrong) I don’t even think is a thing anymore??? My boyfriend bought a water bottle from it awhile ago and I was curious if it was still a thing and I couldn’t find anywhere to actually buy from it.

[@nirnrooty]

i cannot believe ryan expressed his very real and true feelings on how when haley rejects him for PDA things and how deeply it hurts him, the other people and his girlfriend LAUGH? man he should have ran.

[@mothmadi_]

he still can if he wants to

[@christianbosse_]

This is why I came to watch this video. I’d never watched her content until literally this month. And the way she physically reacts to him expresses disgust but her face expresses happiness? Confusing……..

[@hunneydarling625]

@@christianbosse_ She was probably raised strict Christian. I was raised in a Christian cult and it took over 10+ years of therapy to help me be comfortable with intimacy. I was taught it was wrong and would often give mixed signals.

[@rilamous]

I understand that university is not for everyone and especially in the US, it is a giant financial burden (tertiary education in my country is very cheap in comparison) but I have to say that it really irks me how incredibly naive and flippant their views on higher education have been. They obviously have differing circumstances from most people so it makes sense to a degree. But what they fail to realise is that institutions like universities offer spaces for massive personal growth to occur, and that is something that has been immensely life-changing to myself personally. Like I said, it’s not for everybody, but what they fail to see is that sometimes it’s not about the content that you are learning in your specific vocation, but about leaving your high school circle and mindset, interacting with different kinds of people, and learning different ways to think about things and approach life. These are also things that can come with age and life experience. It is entirely frustrating to witness people saying “we skipped that step” as if life is just a series of instructions that need to be carried out. You’ve hit the nail on the head when you said that maturity comes with life experience and until you actually experience it, there is no short cut to getting there. I think these views can warp the way that their viewers see things and it can potentially be harmful to them. I really do hope that they take some time for some introspection and don’t see it as something negative but a way to be better people. I don’t think they’re bad people. It would be wonderful to see them understand that people aren’t always criticising them out of hatred or jealousy, but that they genuinely want to help. I hope that they take your advice and press pause.

[@ellen8421]

This is such a good point! The idea of learning for purposes of introspection, personal growth, genuine understanding of perspectives, and critical reflection cannot thrive under pervasive neoliberalism in the US that equates human value to economic output. I think that Haley and Ryan's rejection of higher education, when viewed with the lens of neoliberalism (capitalism), implicitly communicates that they do not "need" an education because they already are "successful" (financially). While Haley and Ryan's views on education embody deeply rooted problems in American education, Haley and Ryan also have those views because they did not learn to think any other way within the existing education system. Essentially, education in the US is more often seen as valuable because of its prospects for economic gain ("go to college to make more money"). Without a systematic economic and educational reform (i.e. low cost higher education) people will always have to weigh wealth as a component when considering if education is "worth it." I wonder if Haley and Ryan would have the same views about college if they went to school in a country (i.e. Sweden, UK) that didn't intimately entangle learning with finances. It's sad, but also expected, that they are unknowingly perpetuating this paradigm to impressionable viewers; they don't need college or can "skip that step" because they're already "settled" and "successful" adults. Education should be a process that involves critical reflection, communication, and inspires life-long learning, but unfortunately, Americans aren't set up to think of it as such because of the price of education, imposed quantitative measures of student aptitude, monetary opportunity cost, etc.

[@virginiakritikaki3710]

So many other comments as yours that need to be pinned for Haley and trahan to read

[@SJ-98]

Yes! I grew up so much while in college. Now I’m in a master’s program and moved to a new state with my dog and none of that is possible if I had dropped out of college. College is a more or less safe place to explore being young and relationships and interests. Not having that experience makes it harder to explore who you are so freely, I think.

[@10arcs4]

College is a scam here in the us I went to a 4 year university and still had trouble getting a good paying job then I went to a vote here and got my heat and air education and I found a job while I was still in vote h and now I make 50$ an hour starting pay know

[@JenMcQueeney]

I find their lack of filling the house with furniture very strange as well. The giant house was almost empty for months and their room as far as I know is still just a mattress on the floor... just doesn't align with buying a 1.5 million dollar house

[@kamkambasil]

YES!! I THINK ABT THIS DAILY!! IT HAUNTS ME

[@JenMcQueeney]

Kasha Bogdal right it’s so weird!! They did a vid decorating the guest room and office but everything else is so bleak and strangely empty to me

[@emersonelledge2219]

And they also want to be in real estate for “the interior design”

[@mariammollah8994]

i feel like a lotttt of youtubers do this to ‘prove’ they have money and then they don’t even have enough to properly furnish their houses

[@kamkambasil]

Mariam Mollah right it’s like they don’t actually know how to properly fill a space that size. they decorate it like they would an apartment, and then want call themselves interior designers lol

[@katiedavis9101]

Ryan and Haley need to take this in a positive way and not a negative way. They need to take this criticism and learn from it and grow. They need to go forward by taking this whole video in account and really really work on themselves. I do wish them the best and that they will be able to work this out! But they need to press pause.

[@h222ley]

katie davis facts, i hope that they come across this video

[@esther7857]

@@h222ley yeah actually Ryan posted this in his story and even encouraged people to watch it. That's why I'm here. Although he did admit that it's incredibly hard for him to listen to this because it's essentially just a stranger picking apart his life on the internet for everyone to see, he did say that it was valuable to watch. Haley hadn't watched it yet he mentioned because they are going through a tough time because they lost someone. I don't know if she'll eventually watch it or if Ryan is going to inform her about the gist of it.

[@johnnam1380]

I feel like as someone who studied educational psych, there's a lot to be said for DEVELOPMENTAL benchmarks. Yes, you can get married at 18, but are you developmentally ready? Yes, some kids go through more at the age of 9 than I have at the age of 26, but that doesn't make them more developmentally mature than me. I'm not sure what sort of argument I'm making right now, but I think it's something Ryan and Haley may not always keep in mind when they talk about the societal benchmarks. Also, I really appreciated the point you made about how dropping out of high school or college isn't an option for everyone, especially when they don't already have an income or a following. I still really like both of them, and I imagine I'll keep watching them. This was an interesting video.

[@chloj]

this video singlehandedly ruined my sleep schedule

[@jessicadcruz7305]

This is way too real 😂😂😂

[@MaggnesiumSulfate]

worth it tho, i learned so much omg

[@jordanc1330]

literally watching this at 3:02 am and I’m halfway through 😭

[@viniuachumi6440]

😭😭😭

[@tristenlee3455]

“No one should feel like they have to follow the typical social timeline” - cut to them fulfilling the socially pressured stereotypes of having a pet together, buying a house, and getting engaged

[@ihaveabbs783]

I went into this video thinking I would watch a few minutes of some person bashing on two people with 0 context... didn't expect to come out of it knowing how to buy a house and having my own views about marriage. Great video, I really liked how every point was thoroughly researched and thought out. This deserves so many more views!

[@SJ-98]

Same! I genuinely don’t know who these people are, but I finished the whole video. I’m not in a relationship or at risk of getting married any time soon, but this video game me a lot to think about in regards to relationships and marriage

[@Hannah-nh5qj]

I’m not sure if the issue is necessarily hard-core fans staning them no matter what, but rather a fan base who checked out and no longer pays close attention to their actions. I’ve been subscribed to both Ryan and Haley for years, but I’ve slowly stopped watching their content. At times I’ve asked myself, “how did I subscribe to this?” But I stayed subscribed. I’ve skipped over their videos unless they’re suggested to me, and in the videos that are suggested, I can’t necessarily pin point what seems different. I’d say other subscribers might be experiencing the same thing when problematic creators slowly fizzle out.

[@MsInesSantos]

THIS!!!! it's this for me too!!

[@respecttheduck4770]

All of this. I don’t think I’ve attentively watched their videos in a while. Don’t get me wrong, the content should grow and change along with the creator, but I feel like there’s no variety. There’s nothing to keep me engaged. I know that the vid will probably taking about the wedding, debating over decor or food, and then Ryan ultimately agreeing with Haley.

[@perpetuallyconfused2508]

Hannah omg that’s exactly what happened to me

[@she_esh]

@@respecttheduck4770 word

[@april7335]

it just sucks to even watch them because it just seems like they’re living in their own fantasy instead of the read world :/

[@priya4458]

all these comments praising everything u said (which yes i absolutely agree with) but more importantly, bless your sOUL for explaining a mortgage and buying a house

[@naominavarro1901]

“You can’t buy your way past the mental maturation process in your 20s” These two: 👁👄👁

[@Branderson1010]

Technically she’s 19 lol

[@tea_n_5467]

One of my best friends is christian and she told me it’s pretty common for christian kids to get married super young because they want to be able to have sex and for it to not be a “sin” as it would be if it was premarital sex. I bet that’s playing into part of all this too, Ryan and Haley are both young and are feeling sexual urges just as most people their age do, but due to being christian they can’t act on it without “sinning” so they’ve found a way around it by getting married young, which unfortunately again shows they’re not mature enough for a huge life decision like that

[@chewie221b]

Yes, so true. I am a christian and it's true what your friend says about many christian young adults marrying very early; I've seen it in my specific community various times and it doesn't end well sometimes. My biggest problem about them getting married is that their relationship seems so backwards. So if they're supposedly good christians, shouldn't they get married first and then move in together?? A lot of people (edit: specifically non-believers) move in together when they're not married and that's because it's a decision they've made to move forward in their relationship because they love each other. But the fact that they're getting married BECAUSE they bought a house sounds more obligatory to them being legally stuck with each other through a mortgage contract RATHER than getting married for the sake of love and marriage itself. Does that make sense to anyone??

[@julianaraspe]

Most churches keep the damn thing a secret. Like they just don’t talk about it other than “it’s for marriage!” That’s how I grew up and thankfully I wasn’t young rushing to get to it. Too bad they don’t teach that hey God loves you no matter what, even if you have sex outside of marriage. Then maybe they wouldn’t marry chad from youth group at 18 lol

[@michalkatec.6841]

Some young Christians are like that. But a lot of Christians are really raised with the idea of getting married and having kids and the specialness and forever partner and sharing a relationship with God and being one together is how it works. Now I am a Christian so don’t mind my next statements. I believe that you aren’t promised a spouse or forever partner (it’s a very popular conversation with young Christians). But, a lot of people close to God feel that it’s time for them. And it tends to work. My cousins are now married in the middle of college, and they’re living in a nice fulfilling way for them. Also young Christian couples go to pre marital counseling most of the time So they get prepared for the marriage ahead of time and walk through engagement slowly. So they get engaged fast, and don’t get married for a very long time after.

[@michalkatec.6841]

Valeria Martinez yes. In the Christian faith you aren’t supposed to live together before marriage. By Godly standard, if you live together you are basically married but not under the Lord.

[@tea_n_5467]

Valeria Martinez It absolutely makes sense! It definitely feels like they’re obligated to get married now that they’ve bought a house together :/

[@JenMcQueeney]

Ryan and Haley’s Instagram stories about the video.... Haley hasn’t watched it and is only looking at “nice messages” that Ryan’s showing her... like it’s just another echo chamber of people saying everything’s fine just like their videos I really really hope they address people’s concerns cause you can’t claim to have grown and learned if you refuse to listen to any criticism and address it

[@isabellaiarocci7671]

when I saw that it lowkey hurt because it proves she doesn't care and doesn't really respect her viewer's thoughts if they aren't positive.

[@yesi07]

She literally said all of the comments are irrelevant in this video, which I understand partially but then again no

[@JenMcQueeney]

Yesenia Ulloa she said that??? Damn

[@sarahdude7907]

@@yesi07 oh shit, where'd she say that??

[@yesi07]

Sarah Dude you’d have to watch the video but I’m referring to the part where she is talking about her wedding night , she’s wearing a pink sweater. For context, she says that she considers the opinions of people who are close to her and know Ryan and her in person, but not of the people in the comment sections. She said they’re all irrelevant or something along those lines. I understand her rationale as it would be emotionally taxing to try to please everyone, but to generalize all of the comments as irrelevant was a sign of immaturity because sometimes we should at least consider outside comments

[@mrhippoluvsme]

It's interesting too that Ryan wasn't religious before Haley so kind of seems like he liked Haley and she told him how she wanted things in the relationship to go according to christianity and Ryan just went with it because he was excited to be in his first relationship. They don't seem to follow any other Christian principles just the sex before marriage thing so I wonder how Haley's identity is going to collapse even more after she loses this virginity complex. If you watch Aspen Ovard she got married at 20 and now 5 years later her and her husband made a video and said they don't regret anything but looking back they believe they were way too young and shouldn't have gotten married then.

[@renee_6974]

Amy G i think we can expect a video like that in a few years from haley and ryan. Something called ‘a talk about our marriage....’

[@haleyh6921]

I actually thought about Aspyn and Parker too when watching this because they got married young as well but even just watching their videos then vs Haley and Ryan’s, it’s evident that Aspyn and Parker (although still young) were more mature at their age, and for Ryan & Haley that’s not a bad thing at all everyone matures at different times in their life it’s just frustrating to see them feel the need to justify their decisions that way

[@anabellegoodier9796]

@@haleyh6921 yeah, it's interesting how much more mature aspyn and parker were

[@angelinaramsey9241]

Amy G exactly what ive been thinking

[@sav-]

Exactly. Unfortunately, you can’t tell children this. 🙄

[@meelzz485]

Wait, why isn't this viral already????

[@justthetruth3950]

Here after finding out Ryan doxxed you. Haley only reading the good comments proving further that she is locked in an echo chamber. And Yerrow trying to paint you as some kind of stalker and then deflecting every valid criticism by posting a story saying "cancel culture sucks" as if that's what you were trying to do. I used to watch and like Ryan a lot. But after her relationship with Haley I stopped because they started to left a weird feel in my mouth. This video put it into words. Honestly seeing their responses made me really sad. And also, you can see that this comment sections is filled with fans or former fans who agree with all the points made throught the video. How can they be so clueless by dismissing what their actual audience has been observing from the past years. Are we all just "stalkers" to them?

[@kaitlyna2865]

Yeah 100%

[@claranoggle]

Wait so did yerrow make this video?

[@thepandalover0208]

@@claranoggle no

[@kaitlyna2865]

@@claranoggle Instagram stories

[@lyricwall-kuhn8413]

I don't like that she refers to women who follow her perception of "purity" and "wholesomeness" as "super sweet girls." So because someone has had sex, or isn't christian (or actually knows a thing or two about birth control) they can't be sweet? I always get what she's trying to say but it rubs me the wrong way

[@JenMcQueeney]

totally agree and its just another example of her vilifying anyone who expresses criticism

[@julianaraspe]

I waited for reasons more than just being a “Christian” and never talked about it being a “pure” thing. Like how was me not having sex more wholesome? I never felt like that, I was just waiting. Didn’t make me feel more “sweet” just was a choice. I hate that the way she talk about it makes other girls feel bad or makes them sound like less

[@courtdakid]

i can barely sit through my 45 min long lectures but here i am .... procrastination at its finest.

[@ell040]

i came from ryan's instagram story and i can see why he is upset about this video, but at the same time, i agree with a lot of the points made in this video. i have always been skeptical of the longevity of their relationship. i am fully aware it is none of my business, but i know a lot of people who got engaged quickly and it was either called off or divorced later because of rushing into a relationship. i understand that method works for a lot of couples, but the fact that they had known each other for mere months, barely as friends, before starting to date, then knowing they wanted to marry within three months of beginning to date, is alarming to me. i used to watch her content all the time when i was younger. she''s only a year older than i am, and i used to find her relatable. i'm in college now, working really hard towards a degree i feel i can remain passionate about, and it has shocked me how out of touch with the "non-influencer" reality she has gone. i used to relate with her struggles of high school and the embarrassing stories she used to tell, but i no longer watch her content because i cannot relate to her at all. i barely have any money as it is, but she is already engaged, getting married, already bought a house all at 19. i don't even think i'm going to even think about buying a house until i'm in my late 20s just because of my journey. i understand that the pressures in her life has made her life difficult in a way, there are new pressures of supporting herself, her mortgage, and her mom, but i honestly feel like she brought a lot of that upon herself. her lack of accountability is so frustrating as well. everyone in her life praises her humbleness, but the people around her ARE people who are on the same pathway as she is. she isn't the humble person she used to be. she's a new version of humble... but i don't see that as a good thing. i do believe her lack of accountability is going to be really damaging not only to her, but her younger audience as well. her lack of sexual education is... well... frightening. i can't say i'm an expert, after all i am an 18 year old virgin, but her hesitance to talk about anything remotely sexual is a little jarring. she was open about her "experience" with birth control, if you can even call it that, but she can't even say the word "sex" half the time. the reason, ryan and haley, if you are reading this comment, that people are so concerned about you as people, is because of the way you portray yourselves online. a lot of haley's fan base have been with her for years, when she was still in high school trying to balance school, dance, and religion. because of this, these same fans, who are often younger, still in high school, probably feel like there is a new pressure to find somebody to marry, buy a house stupid young without knowing the consequences, and start a life before even completing their childhood fully. the human brain does not stop growing until around 24-26, so there is still a lot of maturity lacking. haley always voices how she can just go to college at any time, but she didn't even graduate high school in the first place. i don't even think she completed the first semester of her senior year. if she wants to go to college, she would have to retake that entire year. i don't think she understands that college isn't some minor thing that you can just "do" whenever. it takes a lot of commitment, and because of her dropping out, she is already further behind. a college is a lot more likely to take an incoming freshman with decent grades and completed high school on time than a 20 something high school dropout who probably decided to go to college because they realized the path they took is not sustainable for as long as they thought. while i do think this video is a little harsh, and it may have been a little over critical since they are so young, i do think there is a lot of merit of what is being discussed here. they are constantly saying how "mature" they are about the decisions they are making, that it took a lot of thought and planning, but a lot of their decisions seem impulsive. maturity isn't just intelligence, it has a lot of other things involved as well, like being smart about mortgages and budgeting, maintaining a good credit score, making smart decisions, weighing risk vs. reward when it comes to doing something risky, like with a new business venture. though impulsive decisions could be beneficial in the short run, they don't really help in the long term. i've already learned that the hard way, but it seems like they are doing too many things to even think about past regrets or decisions. they are living life so quickly that i'm afraid (for them) that it's going to be pretty much "done" by the time they're 50. the point of life is to enjoy what you have now, enjoy your childhood. nobody is saying you have to rush into adulthood the moment you turn 18, and i think that that is a notion they are unintentionally promoting. i'm going to say it right now, though i hope and don't think they will end up getting divorced, i quite frankly will not be surprised if it happens. they have made their lives an open book now, for the most part, not a lot of stuff is private anymore, which is why a lot of youtube relationships fail. though it may be weird to heavily criticize or analyze the relationship of a 19 and 21 year old, people have a right to their opinion, and a lot of times, people will notice things about you that you and the others around you won't notice. though you don't have to take the advice of your audience, discrediting them without even taking a second to think about the merit of their claims is irresponsible, possibly dehumanizing, and upright disrespectful. by saying that you "don't care" about the opinions of your viewers kinda gives the impression that you don't care about them to begin with, and you don't care about how your actions may be affecting your own viewers. it's messy, irresponsible, and narcissistic (in a way) and i do hope that (after they cope with the loss of their loved one, i am so sorry for their loss) they make a video addressing these claims, and how they plan on changing for the better. there is still a lot of accountability to be taken here, and i think avoiding this full term is not the way to go. ryan did address this on his instagram story, but it was only 3 minutes what will only exist for 24 hours. it is not going to reach everybody. i hope that haley will actually watch the video after she feels better mentally, because i think she, of all people, needs to see this more than anybody. though it is difficult seeing somebody dig into your character this hard, if so many people are agreeing with the statements being said in the video, then it is time to reflect and take time to think about the legitimacy of the claims. all of the evidence used in this video is all public knowledge and primary sources, as stated in the beginning of the video, so it is impossible to dispute that any of the claims made about the past, but if SPV is wrong about any of the analyzations made in the video, i think that those disputes should be made public. ryan said in his instagram story that the analyzations of their characters is not true to how they are today, but i haven't personally noticed any growth or newfound accountability being taken by either of them. i don't want them to just say that they've changed or they have grown from their mistakes, i want them to show it. apologies aren't just for tell, and they are useless if you aren't going to pay attention to it after it's published and forget about it. the point of apologies is to take accountability for wrong judgements or actions, and to take the mistakes and grow from them, do better to not make another mistake like that, or do better to not make mistakes of the same vain in the future. the problem with haley is that she continues to show no growth between her past mistakes and now, and though the situations vary drastically, they all hold a similar tone. i really do have some faith in them (as much as i can since i am atheist) that they can be amazing people and promote goodness to their viewers, but i don't know how much longer to prove that they can hold that level of responsibility before their reputations are forever tarnished.

[@discotig7869]

This was so well written and yeah exactly.

[@chialovesuu]

thanks for this 👏🏽

[@katherineg8126]

you shoulda just made ur own video lol, you already have the script right here

[@ell040]

Katherine G well, there's a video already made about it, i was just stating my opinions about the points made in the video

[@simoneh.6302]

They seem so obsessed with how there is "no instruction manual for life" yet cite all their so called maturity to "skipping steps" and justify their marriage because that's what people who own houses together do. Its also just so embarrassing when they (specifically Haley) constantly feel the need to validate their entire lives- getting so angry and flustered shows, ironically, how immature she is! I could go on forever but thanks for a video that put my feelings into words and lowkey taught me so much outside of relationships.

[@deborahwey4183]

!!!

[@paremour]

Yes!!! They are contradicting themselves with every word.

[@dotcom3015]

I think it’s normal for people to get defensive and I don’t hold influencers to be above that. I bet you would want to prove that you’re right if I disagreed with you. You seem to think that their idea of maturity is wrong yet who’s to say yours is the right way? This is your opinion which people can agree with or not. Yet you seem so upset that they are not doing the right things according to you. you’re being just as ego centric

[@gilliangilliangillian]

Not to mention that "there's no instruction manual for life," but if you have sex before marriage that's bad because it says so in this book that I trust as the instruction manual for life.

[@hannaht1976]

hey go watch ryan yerrow’s story plz, even if some of the information in this video is valid this guy is a CREEP so plz don’t support his content anymore

[@belaracz4072]

it’s honestly so interesting to see the difference between haley and emma chamberlain who grew up in the same space around the same time and made very similar content for while... of course they have different morals and views in life but i feel like the way emma has carried herself for the last few years has really showed a maturity that i’ve never seen from haley. the way emma handles business as well as her personal life has always been so professional and appropriate and i believe she’s been a great impact on the younger generation. her podcast is honestly a really great source for advice, where emma talks about personal experiences she’s had and she’s been super vulnerable about how’s she’s felt navigating adult life that is think is super honest and i love listening to as a 20 year old woman and i would’ve loved to hear as a teenager. great video!! this really needed to be addressed

[@belaracz4072]

and i don’t wanna bring down haley because there’s nothing wrong with not being the most mature, especially since she’s 18, but i think she needs to realize that the information she spreads online is not the most informed and could really impact her very young audience who don’t know much better!!

[@dodalele6509]

totally right, the way fame and money didnt change emmas content AND personality at all is admirable she is truly remarkable

[@sarah23346]

“When I don’t want to do something, I physically can not get myself to do it” sloth is a sin haley 🙄

[@annalara427]

she blamed it on her being a type 7 on the enneagram personality typing tool...which is total bs. I am also a type 7 and her statement made me visibly cringe

[@briannam9408]

I came to this video from Ryan Trahan’s story expecting it to be a bad, hate video simply bashing them. But the way you articulated and executed your ideas truly put my thoughts about them into words. The thing that gets me the most about them is their lack of self awareness. It’s crazy how superficial the both of them have become within the past years. I really do hope the best for them, and at the end of day, it’s their life and they have the right to live it as they please. But a lot of their criticism is from people who are genuinely concerned for them, and want to see the both of them work out. I really do think that the both of them need to take a break from KZbin and social media, to be able to learn more about each other and grow. I hope that they learn from their mistakes and take this opportunity to grow as people, and I am really rooting for them.

[@youcheekylittle]

what was on his story?

[@briannam9408]

emma love It was a bunch of videos of him talking on his instagram story basically addressing the video

[@taragold6457]

emma love he talked about the video and was actually really respectful about it, said it was well made/ put together and that he talked to the creator over twitter. He didn’t go into the points in the video and refute them (I have a feeling he’ll do that in a video of his later) instead he said it’s hard to have their mistakes there for everybody on the internet to see, which I agree with, that can’t be easy. But he also said because of a death in their family Haley hasn’t been feeling great and as a result she hasn’t seen the video... I hope they both watch the full thing and really analyze what’s going on

[@kaepiper]

Tara Gold - i’m glad he seems to be chill abt n taking things into consideration. i hope that when she’s able to watch it she does too

[@meredith5171]

THIS VIDEO SPEAKS VOLUME. I am a 14 year old Christian girl who has just recently found Haley and Ryan from seeing their engagement posts all over Instagram. I thought that they were the perfect couple and an image to look forward to when I get older. I now realize how much harm Haley and Ryan could've done to my later years if I had never watched this video. I kept seeing this vid pop up in my recommended but it was too long for me so I just ignored it. I'm so glad that I found the time to watch this and to not take advice from a 19 year old on a love rush speeding through her life. Thank you

[@isabellaiarocci7671]

This makes me so happy. Please don't listen to anything from them. Don't rush your life!!!

[@sailorrobyn1790]

Happy you are thinking about your idols critically. I hope you continue to do so!!!

[@sagalaproductions]

why are they so obsessed with proving their maturity lmao ?? like just focus on yourself, enjoy your life, grow as you go. if you have to constantly talk about how mature you are,,, maybe it’s time to re examine a few things......

[@sagalaproductions]

​@Bella M girl i think you totally missed my point but ok,,

[@sagalaproductions]

​@Bella M i'm sorry bruv, i didn't mean to come off that way😳 i was just confused as to what your first comment was referencing bc it wasn't clear lol

[@andreachapa2328]

because people are always telling them how young they are so they feel like they need to stand up and say “we’re just mature”

[@sagalaproductions]

andrea chapa maturity is proven by actions not words

[@andreachapa2328]

Cinder Sagala people don’t live with them and can’t see them in person so what do you expect them to do?

[@JenMcQueeney]

Thank you for mentioning the ethics of this "flipping" phase as well because I thought I was the only one who took issue with the lack of awareness of the state of unemployment rates in our country. Like others have said, they certain live in their bubble and its sad that theyre so unaware that they so frivolously wave around their privilege. I live in LA and the sheer amount of people who had to move in with parents because they can't afford rent right now juxtaposed with haley and ryan opening an airbnb for teenagers is mind boggling to me.

[@ijeoma7963]

i really hope they put their egos aside and listen to what he's saying. like yes it SUCKS to hear your flaws being so blatantly called out and criticized. ESPECIALLY for people that have managed to surround themselves with yes-men, but I really wish more people, not just them but a lot of youtubers and celebs would realize that criticism is not necessarily a bad thing. Like they need to think a bit more critically instead of reducing all criticism to hate and jealousy. They need to develop the keenness that allows them to discern constructive criticism from actual hate and rude comments. Like the comment about Haley's lack of awareness during this time which was SO respectful (and it really didn't have to be) and the fact that Ryan said to 'be more kind'???? Like what does it for me is the belief that in terms of morals and maturity they are superior to most people their age, and it's just frustrating to watch and to know that they have such a young and impressionable audience... Honestly, I would pay real money to see them try to answer those questions at the end. Now THAT'S a video idea lmaooo

[@noahsmith5986]

Somehow this video made me feel so much better about being a normal twentysomething and not having everything together. It’s good to still be figuring things out and honest about it, because rushing into commitments you’re not ready for can be a huge mistake.

[@simplynautica3233]

I honestly wish you would’ve talked more about the different stages in life they were at when they started dating. Even if their age gap isn’t necessarily “inappropriate” or gross...the maturity levels and life stages they were at seemed so different. It seemed like the only similarities they really shared were being two KZbinrs...and maybe the fact that they both didn’t fit into their respective categories naturally (Haley was not a natural Emma chamberlain type and Ryan never quite fit in with the Danny, Kurtis, Drew, and Connor brand in my opinion).

[@simplynautica3233]

I say this to say that Ryan needs WAY more criticism for the way he love bombed (which was GENIUS ANALYSIS) a high schooler.

[@kc-wh8gh]

bro please put ads! you deserve that ad-sense edit: now that this video is blowing up prepare for the stans and the dislikes, i’m sorry. please watch the WHOLE video. also those saying that it’s weird to make 2 hour long video ab them, have you ever heard of documentaries? you’re in for a shock.

[@elisabef]

I don’t think he met the monetization requirements before posting this

[@EverythingHP]

he only just met the requirements for monetisiation today, and after you apply it takes around a month for youtube to get back to you, its disappointing, he really deserves the adsense

[@kc-wh8gh]

EverythingHP ugh that sucks!

[@nooraholtappels6255]

i don’t know. i think she believes those personality shifts and all of her separate interests that flip flop are her “7 on the enneagram scale.” she mentions it so often, and maybe she thinks that her rapid changing of identity, personality or interests are because of it.

[@nooraholtappels6255]

Luna Lucy this!!! exactly!! she says it all the time lightweightedly like “oh that’s just because i’m a 7!!” even if she is, she really really should separate her personal identity from a personality test she read on a free enneagram website.

[@charlotted4642]

i took the enneagram test & i am also a 7, but haley clearly puts way too much stock into it. one personality test doesn’t define you & she clearly think she does. i switch interests a lot too, but i don’t let that define me and she clearly does

[@renee_6974]

I feel like she doesnt know who she is/wants to be and is trying to find herself. She was forced to grow up and make money for her family at like 16. That shit is hard. I could be wrong but i feel like she didnt get a chance to find out who she is and who she wants to be because she was forced to grow up

[@slickmadisyn]

ultra christian girls looooove the enneagram test it’s so strange

[@passengerprincesspodcast]

Can we take a moment to appreciate the creator of this video? From a quick glance at his channel, this seems to be his first endeavor into commentary and long form content. He managed to create a structured and persuasive video without disparaging the subjects of the video. I would only expect this level of mastery after years on the platform. To the creators, you should be very proud of your creation!

[@DuckGoesViral]

well update: ryan’s channel is more popular than ever right now , haley makes book videos, and they deleted their family channel

[@jonahhammond2438]

They figured out their life.. the person who made this video is a parasocial fan

[@ashleydelanymessier]

this was probably the most entertaining thing I've watched on youtube in months. Everything about it was 10/10.

[@webrats6644]

why do they need to get married so young? cant they just stay as lovers and make youtube videos? there is no need to rush or hurry to get married. dont get me wrong i think having a family is amazing but their thinking is simple, they clearly have not struggled in life. and also, buying that 1.5 million $ house was a big mistake. they were making good quality youtube videos back in their old homes with much smaller spaces. what ryan and haley should do now is, cancel their marriage and continue to focus on their relationship, there is no need to rush or settle down quickly, they are taking life way too fast because they got rich way too fast of the youtube money. they still have all the time in the world, mid 20s to do so. they should continue to post youtube videos and content but not around their marriage and house hunting videos, because their yt comment section is full of positive comments that just boosts their egos to thinking that they are making the right decisions. It is extremely dangerous for them. this video is a reality check and a harsh video i hope their mental powers are strong enough to deal with this. I hope haley watches this, i know Ryan has already watched this video. this video could potentially change their life and avoid a BIG disaster in the future. also, thank you for this video. well made and informative, and entertaining. amazing.

[@erickaconklin1538]

why does it matter to you? i know a LOT of people who get married in their early twenties?? It just upsets people because they put it on the internet? that doesn't make sense

[@webrats6644]

@@erickaconklin1538 I think you misunderstood me, we are not hating on them just because their lives are on the internet. They clearly arent ready for marriage, their thinking and maturity level arent there, as seen in the video. what we want the best for haley and ryan is just to be PATIENT, wait a few years for their relationship to be stable, to get married, and do what ever things they want. For now they seem to be rushing their lives for no reason and its dangerous because marriage and buying a house its a HUGE responsibility.

[@erickaconklin1538]

we brats I am 20 and engaged, live with my fiancé and i’m in college. I’ve heard this a thousand times. If you aren’t in the relationship you do not know if they are ready or not. You see one side of them. Who says you need to have this perfect mature life before getting married. They obviously love each other, they already live together happily, and they are financially stable. I don’t see how they aren’t ready. I don’t see what type of maturity they need??

[@webrats6644]

​@@erickaconklin1538 I know some couples who get married young like 17, 18 and have a long lasting marriage and also couples who married young but also failed in their marriage later. But you are living a simple life with your fiance, this couple Ryan and haley is an engaged couple on youtube, their whole lives in career is on youtube. Their lives are far more complicated than other young married couples. So you cannot compare ryan and haley to other normal young married couples. The truth is, we don't know if their marriage is going to be successful in the future, they might be in love now but who knows? only time will tell. For the maturity level, haley speaking of the greece situation clearly tells us that she has not faced reality of life. Haley just responded from this situation that this video does not reflect her anymore. She is missing the whole point of this video. Also, their behaviour on camera, has some huge red flags. Haley hasn't fully grown, formed, or experienced enough. So does Ryan, they have been together for only 1 year. Maturity level is IMPORTANT for marriage to survive in the long run. They clearly aren't, Haley said that waiting for marriage is hard?? They both did not anticipate the responsibility. Secondly, the reason why they are rushing to get married is because they got rich way too quickly in a span of 2 years. That's why they are settling down for a big $1.5 million dollar home and a family. I guarantee if one day they got broke or in debt, they are most probably going to divorce. Trust me. KZbin career was never financially stable, even though their channels might be blowing up now, and they are living off well, who knows in 2 years time their channels do not fit in the algorithm anymore? Affecting hugely from their income since most of their income is from youtube. Plus they have to pay off mortgage from their $1.5 million dollar home. Also, if they focus on youtube career a lot, they might affect their married life and eventually get a divorce. I have seen a youtuber couple who were married for 10 years, but they were too focused on their business, they prioritise work over love all the time just to make a youtube video or their business, Thus a downward spiral affecting their marriage. As shown in this video, divorce rates are high for younger couples who get married, nobody can tell if Ryan and haley will still be together after a few years, What i am saying is, once you get married, there is no turning back. They can't avoid pitfalls from their own marriage.

[@erickaconklin1538]

we brats lol yall are too invested. they have more to their career than youtube. and even if their lives fail, i’m sure they won’t regret getting married young. it will be difficult for them to get too invested in a business and then get divorced, because they are taking steps to build a career together (like house flipping) which will strengthen their relationship. i just cant comprehend why it matters so much to all of these people. they are going to get married, they are going to continue their careers, and i truly think they are mature enough to work through it. i’ll let you continue to judge and doubt them though

[@chelseamacasaet7687]

after i saw kaelin (sorry idk if that's his name spelled right) and kyra, i was sort of reminded of cody ko and kelsey. they're 10 yrs older than these two and they still live in an apartment, have a dog, and have been together for a few yrs. in comparison, they're just living their lives, making content, and they don't have to prove to others that they're doing ok. i just wonder who haley and ryan want to prove themselves to? i just don't understand and it's crazy being someone who's abt to turn 19.

[@SpiffyMcSnazzy]

Ryan and Haley: "Apartment living just isn't for us!" Me, heading into month 7 of nonstop being indoors in our tiny apartment in a city: 👁👄👁

[@amber5802]

They need to be careful what they tell their young and teen audiences... that birth control thing sent me off the edge. And that’s just one example. They need a full reality check.

[@taylorgrace9024]

What birth control thing?

[@dotcom3015]

Why did send you off the edge? Who’s going to her for birth control advice? She shared her experience as a virgin who doesn’t know what they’re doing. Every girl goes through that process to find what works for them. People listening to her either aren’t having sex or already are having sex and have their method.

[@ItsIliana]

“Hate to break it to you, but your Christianity doesn’t preclude you from getting a divorce..just ask your parents.” damnnn

[@meena3377]

I’m so glad someone finally made a video like this.

[@alexnicoles5575]

Meena yes! I used to follow Haley but as someone who was in a relationship like hers, I cannot support it. It’s gonna hurt her so bad when things don’t work outs

[@sayan9566]

they sound EXTREMELY entitled especially Haley. I think they need to definetly sit tf down because yes they are rich, but it is so obvious how immature they are with life and money.

[@ischristinaok]

literally am rewatching this video two years later bc of all the information on buying a house bc it was so in depth. ik this guy got a lot of hate but as someone who’s ryan and haley’s age and is entering into more serious relationships it is a video that is very insightful and asks questions i think a lot of people in their early twenties should ask themselves. while i agree it is very parasocial and their personal lives are none of our business. i certainly don’t agree with the point of making a video like this. however it really did teach some great lessons on stuff

[@jennaazeez1367]

i’ve watched haley and ryan for probably a few years now and i wasn’t sure what was so off putting. i couldn’t put my finger on it but something was kind of bugging me, this video helped explain it. i still have respect for both of them, and i want the best for them, but there needs to be growth.

[@peachymozart]

i was worried this video was just going to crap all over them, but it is incredibly well made and you were kind to both of them.

[@layaneggx]

Haley watched the video and basically said that the stuff mentioned in the video doesn’t matter Bc it’s from a year or two ago.... she really will never learn to take accountability. This is why a lot of people stopped watching her

[@merrymermaid]

“people used to get married back in the day at the age of 13” yeah in the 1700s when the quality of living and average age of death were *significantly* lower than they are now. furthermore, the majority of these marriages were arranged and a young girl was forced to marry an older man in order for her family to gain prestige and respect. the fact that she uses that to *justify* her getting married now illustrates her ignorance and mis-information on the topic also, completely unrelated but what if they don’t vibe in the bedroom??

[@logangrace]

thank u for taking this off private my gawd

[@rileylovesbedcover]

I married young. My husband and I were 19 and 18 respectively and we were both Christians. I would not recommend it to anyone. Marriage makes relationships harder, even if you think that it will stay the same, it wont. And no matter how mature you think you are at that age, you just are not ready for it. My husband and I are still together, neither of us are christian any more which probably saved our relationship. We had to go through so much more hardship than if we had waited.

[@julianaraspe]

I was older than you at 22 getting married and it’s interesting that having God at the center of our relationship makes us stronger. I wish they weren’t trying to prove themselves to everyone instead of just living, knowing that God loves you no matter what- if you wait or not, which I hate how she may make girls who have sex feel like less or not as “sweet” or “wholesome”. I didn’t feel those things more before I had sex and didn’t lose that after I did. I am glad I waited to be more away from “church people” so I could be married before I was “Christian married” (meaning I didn’t wait to move in, combine finances, and overlap our love before the wedding ceremony). That’s how we saw how we’d work together. I’m sorry if you felt so rushed and too young, but I know God works all things for good

[@HailieHensley]

i’ve always liked haley but the recent phase of house flipping has really bothered me ): it’s sad because i don’t think they realize (or care) that rich people that buy up cheap houses are the reason it’s hard for low income families to get affordable housing... it also has kind of bothered me that their whole concept of interior design and house flipping has just been copying chip and joanna gains and using products from the magnolia collection at target. i also like chip and joanna gains but... idk that situation just seems super not okay to me. i also listened to the birth control episode of the podcast and it really bothered me as well. i feel like she started birth control and two weeks later she thought she was an expert on how it affects you and what the options are when she really didn’t educate herself at all and hadn’t been on it long enough to even know anything about the side affects. very sad ):

[@nighthawkdragon42]

Also, even though some people might see this video and think "wow you made a 2 hour video about this" and maybe see it as ridiculous or pointless, but I find this video so crucial because it brings all of their viewers back down to earth. I feel like everyone falls into the trap of comparing themselves to others and this just is kind of an eye opener for a lot of young people who follow Ryan and Haley so thank you for making this.

[@Kariheartspbandj]

This video is fantastic but god why is the transition audio in the debunked list of reasons they bought a house mixed SO LOUD?

[@uwu-fm2kj]

As a dutch teenage girl, I think I can speak for Western Europe; NFP is not popular here when it comes to birth control, the pill is the most used method of birth control (especially because its free till 21 in a lot of countries). NFP is actually seen as very risky here, and is discouraged greatly.

[@orenthalcorneliushayesakag4285]

i wish america was like that.. i have no access to confidential, affordable birth control as a teenage girl. if i were to go to a doctor or even get a prescription online, it would show up on my parents insurance.

[@anneliekebijlsma1493]

I'm also from Holland and I was honestly shocked at the misinformation in the podcast episode. Things like the menstrual cycle and contraception methods are such a big part of biology lessons here (for guys as much as for girls). I litteraly learned at the age of twelve that "the natural method" is ineffective, because you can EVEN get pregnant while you're on your period.

[@uwu-fm2kj]

@@anneliekebijlsma1493 ja ik was ook echt verrast, ik heb nog nooit iemand hier NFP als een daadwerkelijk anti conceptie idee zien peddelen. Die meid wordt zo zwanger als ze dat als enige gaat proberen...

[@uwu-fm2kj]

@@orenthalcorneliushayesakag4285 that sucks so bad.. I wish I could help u

[@nylahgreen3470]

Orenthal Cornelius Hayes aka Gibby Gibson what state do you live in? In Georgia, any form of birth control is free until you’re 19.

[@krux3759]

omg i cannot believe she just told everyone that you can only get pregnant 6 days out of your cycle :( that is so sad

[@Chloe-bv4dq]

I came here from Ryan's insta and wow, this is a slam dunk argument you've put together. I've watched 1 or 2 of Hayley's vids but seeing it all put together here is major red flags to her audience

[@Chloe-bv4dq]

Also bruh, did she actually say you can only get pregnant 6 days out of the month ☠️☠️

[@anahilopez9195]

What did he post on his insta

[@lou_jane]

@@anahilopez9195 he posted a story talking about the video, he seemed deflated and said it was hard to listen to someone criticize all your public mistakes but he ultimately seemed grateful for the constructive criticism. He said Haley was already going through some personal stuff and therefore wasn't going to watch it "yet"..

[@victoria-gy6gh]

dude i used to love haley but i seriously can not stomach her/their content anymore. it doesn’t even have to do with them getting married or buying a house (i also got married young and if i had the money i would buy a nice house too 🤷🏻‍♀️). it’s solely because it all feels completely unrelatable and ingenuine - things i seriously admired her for before (as someone with a platform). she really strikes me as someone who is unhealthy and unaware which is *normal* but ... damn sis , y’all won’t ever catch me making an actual reality show out of it. sad and i really hope they grow into their potential and stay down to earth

[@angelinaramsey9241]

she rlly thinks 13 yr olds used to deliberately want to get married?? they were forced to marry old men

[@cgrap02]

that comment she made irked me so much. it reeks of lack of education about the topic

[@soph8402]

and even it wasn't forced, the average life span back then was shorter. 13 would be a much higher age if it was scaled to current age span

[@phoebejennings7103]

Maybe not 13 but close

[@smagdarine]

@@soph8402 that's not true. people have always lived long lives (although the life span has increased - from late 60s to mid 80s), the reason the average life span was considered so short was because of the high infant mortality rate. if you survived childhood, your chances of dying old were greatly increased. getting married at 13 is fucking weird no matter what and was very often forced onto young girls who would then be raped and forced to have children.

[@laurenhaslam9075]

i hope they can get over the obsession with being "more mature" than other people their age - it really seems to be driving all these poorly thought out decisions

[@BP-to2mq]

Right?! I’m not bashing them or anything bu sometimes they jus have their heads so far up their own ass that they come off as arrogant. I hope this isn’t true but I get the feeling that they secretly think that they’re better than others their age.

[@Biblioksenagisi]

@@BP-to2mq ¨Secretly¨? They literally say they are more mature than people their age group.

[@BP-to2mq]

H.C., Eat a cake okay i admit i was holding back bc i cbf to fight w their 10yo fans hahaha

[@larasnows3133]

That's so true! No matter how mature they think they are, at the end of the day they're only 19 and 21 and have barely entered adulthood, they still have a lot to learn.

[@fantasticfaith1106]

Tbh I’m 10xs as mature as them and more educated and I’m 16.

[@hiitsaria]

As someone who's recently graduated as an interior architect I cannot tell you how much I CRINGED when they talked about their "interest in interior design". I might be wrong but it doesn't seem far from "I want to make houses look like they're from pinterest" which is nowhere near being able to design a functional and cohesive living space and makes me worried about the future of their business.

[@GKSoccer5]

hi its aria I really think they think that magnolia home from target will be the driving force of their real estate careers (lol) also chip and joanna gaines are not great role models as designers bc like 90% of the shit on their show isn’t even designed by them. like idk if they think hgtv is real life but I guess they’re gonna find out the hard way it is NOT easy and the budgets on hgtv and other stuff like that are also so skewed and unrealistic lmao

[@crftieph]

But she's studying now right?

[@GKSoccer5]

theycallmeangie if im not mistaken she’s studying for her real estate licensure to buy/sell houses and stuff like that, not necessarily interior design! both things go hand in hand but they are not the same and require separate education / requirements

[@brookehardingn]

they’re obsessed with fixer upper. none of their furniture matches (some but i stg each room has a different style) and as far as i saw her house is more on the modern side with a little bit of a farmhouse. and she just wants old school/ boho/ farmhouse and it’s just too much in my opinion. i don’t think she’s mature enough to be a realtor. it’s a lot of school (she’s obviously not used to) and you can’t be socially awkward and i don’t think it’s something she will like in my opinion 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@crftieph]

@@GKSoccer5 ahhh i understand. I'm an Architecture graduate so seeing people do thinga without a license also irks me but I have seen these things still e successful esp on KZbin. You can see Mr. Kate as an example. They don't have interior design licenses but they call themselves as such as from what I know. Let them learn. Everything can be learned if you want to achieve a goal.

[@geekychick131]

This mans sent me to SCHOOL on ownership of real estate, finance, and female anatomy/birth control.

[@tiavanharte2000]

This is sooo true lol

[@Tiarose88]

Sent to school by some creep who can't even show his face who made a 2 hour video about someones personal life? Lol mmmkay sweetie

[@morgan1213]

Tia Rose thats the point dumbass

[@mekdi6157]

Tia Rose Personal life? They literally blast their lives on 3 channels, Instagram, TikTok and podcasts. He isn’t overstepping any boundaries they haven’t already crossed by over sharing their bad decisions online. Anything you put out is open to social commentary. And he is open on where he has coming from. They have a young impressionable audience and they are giving them horrible advice while simultaneously ruining their own. So yes it is not “creepy” or strange for a grown ass adult to debunk their advice.

[@Tiarose88]

@@mekdi6157 your point? You still don't know everything that goes on in their life off camera but anyway

[@yarellinatali1610]

Side note: why was this video so educational 😭 I learned about real estate, sex, birth control, and the female anatomy🤚🏼

[@m.josena4485]

Deadass tho😭😭

[@skycaroline9416]

fr tho the school system really said no 😭😭😭

[@bettyb5259]

Literally me, we be learning from people's mistakes

[@pantasticco.5172]

this what i was thinking lmaoooo

[@baby.yogurt]

um, true