CFA Vs Masters in Finance

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

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[@thetravelerwonderfulworld9854]

I've got an MSF. Studying for my CFA 1 now , to be taken on November 16th, 2021. Here's what I have to say ; I suggest people who can should get an MSF first. That makes the study material for the CFA pretty understandable, because what you are studying, you've already learned in the MSF program.

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Getting an MSF before the CFA also made it much easier for me! But on the flip side I felt like I spent a lot of time going over stuff I'd already learned

[@dennisb.3485]

@@RyanOConnellCFA Would you have passed the CFA as easily without the MSF?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

@@dennisb.3485 I certainly would not have passed the CFA as easily without the MSF. Almost all of the content in Level 1 was covered by my MSF program

[@JJDK485]

If i already a MSF, why would i waste any more time on CFA, assuming i'm already working in Finance? No thanks, i refuse to join the rat race.

[@VanillaTeal]

You're basically saying that by taking cfa is the same as msf.. doesn't that mean you should take cfa over msf..?

[@troyd4235]

I'm debating on an MBA with a concentration in Finance vs a Masters in Finance. I have my BA in Busines Admin with a focus in Finance, but I honestly feel like I didn't learn a lot... like they teach you a little about every business topic, but you essentially become a jack of all trades and a master of none. And because of that, you quickly forget what little you learned. I feel like focusing entirely on Finance would be more beneficial.

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

That is a very big decision. Specialization can really pay off. I've heard MBAs are typically valued higher by companies than MSFs but MSFs are typically cheaper and quicker (less credit hours). You can't go wrong either way but it is a tough choice

[@Coldmention-bk4yo]

I am in the exact same situation right now and can totally related, which one did you end up choosing? I would like to here you insights on the decision you've made, I am leaning towards MSF cause I am interested in Investment Banking and Hedge Funds.

[@jonis8]

@@Coldmention-bk4yo hello right now l have the same problem you had a year ago. What dis you choose and how it worked out for you ?

[@ayushpandey3628]

Thank you so much Ryan for such a lucid explanation. You really helped me in clearing my confusion about choosing the better of the two.

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

No problem! I hope you're able to make the right decision my friend

[@devangparab1014]

You’ve got some really good content Ryan. Hope your vids get a wider reach cuz you sure are bringing some great value. Keep going. Subbed.

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

I really appreciate the feedback Devang! Everything I've read about KZbin suggests that it is pretty slow going at first. But you are right that hopefully, it picks up soon!

[@ChristianFrankIvezaj]

If interested in Markets. Take CFA. Don’t cut corners taking the fun route and going to adult daycare. You’ll learn more about yourself and develop a stronger love for finance this way.

[@juwonhill9102]

I have a MSF and am awaiting results for the Level 2 CFA exam. I’m 31 and have spent my entire career working for Registered Investment Advisors. CFA looks much better on a resume than a MSF in my opinion

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

I would agree with this as well. The MSF may look better to some recruiters/hiring managers depending on the school, but most of the time CFA > MSF

[@shubhchoprac7]

Thank you, Ryan, for breaking things down in a simple way. I cleared my CFA level 3 in August 2022 and working as a Wealth Analyst in a Private Wealth Management firm in India (complete a year in December). I understand the rigour that CFA involved might not be comparable to the Master's degree, but I am looking to diversify my profile to engage in programs internationally and having a hard time choosing one of them (Masters in Finance, MSFA ). It would be great if you could share your perspective on it and how I should proceed. Thanks!

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

My pleasure! If you already have a CFA, then I think you would need a really prestigious MSF to boost your resume beyond the CFA. You'd likely need to find a top global program. But that will likely be very expensive and time intensive to keep in mind. If I were you, I'd only consider it if you get accepted into a top program

[@shubhchoprac7]

Appreciate your thoughts on my problem! Would you suggest that I should look for MBA instead and get a reputed brand under my CV and then write the application for the same?

[@shaunmc013]

You can go to a community college and get a certificate or an AA in Finance and a University for an Executive Certificate in Finance. It’ll be much cheaper and it’ll cover exactly what you’ll be doing on a daily basis. It’s literally the best of both worlds 😅

[@enochcrosby6630]

Comment for the algo. Good content. The VaR vid was really helpful.

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Really appreciate the feedback Enoch!

[@nasahh4281]

Thank you for this Vid! Great overview!

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Glad you enjoyed it Nasah!

[@robertcesar9752]

@@RyanOConnellCFA hey can you do a video about the books that you have behind you (that you think are important/ good for deepening the knowledge about finance/ stocks...

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

@@robertcesar9752 Robert, I can absolutely do a video on my favorite finance books. That behind me is a greenscreen lol but I do have plenty of Finance/investing books I recommend to people. Thank you for the video idea!

[@robertcesar9752]

@@RyanOConnellCFA yes please, that would be great (please don't show my name online though - just in case). also, great channel, subscribed.

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

@@robertcesar9752 Thank you for subscribing and don't worry, I will not show your name!

[@gamgyul6979]

Nice and clear video 👍👍

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@ericleblanc5406]

One book left of the Level II curriculum, and I feel as if I can’t even retain anything as I move through all of the content and on to the next subject. Hoping ~100 days of practice testing makes the difference!

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Eric you are in a great spot if you finish all the readings three months in advance! I typically would finish the readings one month in advance. The final review period after finishing all the material is when you really start to retain everything and feel comfortable in my opinion

[@rearview8026]

Great analysis, cleared some Q's, MBA in Finance vs MS in Finance which one will teach us in depth as overall, and like which one is best if you want to go into managerial roles between these two.

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Thank you! Please take my answer with a grain of salt as I have only done an MSF and not an MBA in Finance. I would think that an MSF would go into greater depth for specific finance concepts as it is dedicated almost solely to this subject. Where as an MBA with a specialization in finance would have courses related to all areas of business (marketing, managing, information systems, supply chain, etc). So an MBA would likely be better if you're hoping to rise to a managerial role

[@husseinarslan7173]

@@RyanOConnellCFA what is the best master or cfa..?

[@umarsaeed61]

I am not a finance person but a great, succinct and to the point video. Value for time.

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Thank you Umar!

[@Norwayfoeshoe]

Good post Ryan. Wh8ch is the harder would you say? What's the most comprehensive and challenging to study?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Thank you! In my opinion, the CFA is is harder, more comprehensive and more challenging to study for. Although, that may differ for some MSF programs out there

[@sriram181]

Since my Concern for CFA is Lack of Opportunities for Networking , What personally do you believe Ryan ? From your experiences, what do you see having a higher value In the Financial industry, A great Network or Exceptional skill ? Because this will highly influence choices of finance aspirants

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Personally Sriram, I always lean towards exceptional skill but I can't promise that it can beat out good networking. The world isnt always a meritocracy so it helps to know people. But I know that at the end of the day having high skills should always keep the paychecks coming in

[@sriram181]

@@RyanOConnellCFA glad to hear from you . Are there ways that you consider efficient sources for networking for people who get into academics not providing adequate avenues for networking? For example a student pursuing CFA or FRM that lacks an academic institution

[@gerskenj5041]

Great video ! What's your opinion, in programs like MSc in Applied Economics and Finance ? Do you think this kind of programs hold some value ?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

It sounds good to me! But one thing that I worry about with degrees like that is that because they are unconventional, you don't know what recruiters will make of them

[@gerskenj5041]

@@RyanOConnellCFA Yeah, I get that. But the thing is , that having already a BSc in BA, doing an MBA, seems totally worthless. You ain't gonna learn something new. Zero added value. Plus, in my country, there isn't a Master of finance, program. So, my only MSc options, regarding finance, is Financial management, Applied Economics & Finance and Accounting & finance. Another option, is business analytics, but it isn't very close to finance. Any recommendations ? I am confused !

[@rohakhalid1846]

Does it make sense to clear the CFA level 1 and then go for MSF?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

From my experience, CFA Level 1 covers most of the content taught in an MSF program. So if you clear L1 first, and then go for an MSF, you will spend a lot of money to just refresh on things you already learned

[@bartlewis7398]

What about the series

[@prathamrana8433]

Can you tell me how exactly hard it is to get enrolled into a tier 1 college for an MS in Finance for someone having a 3.3 GPA and a very basic profile- just a few years of CPA?? Elaborate, please.

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

I think you could get in if you got a very good score on the GMAT or GRE and applied to a couple of schools! It can't hurt much to try

[@sumitpandey5]

Which is better MIM or MIF, I have been admitted to Boston University for Masters in Management studies and to Babson college for Masters in finance!

[@andrewwagner3230]

Would you recommend doing an MSF and a CFA in the same time frame since you have free time from the MSF program?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

A lot of people tried to do the CFA during the MSF program that I was in. I'd say that most people failed as they didn't have the necessary amount of time to study CFA outside of their studying for the MSF classes. Some naturally brilliant people were able to do both however

[@harshitagrawal8868]

Hello bro, I am right now 2nd year of my undergraduate i am planning for master in finance should i opt for CFA because i have 2 more years to complete my undergraduate degree?

[@parsamoaven2677]

Hello Ryan. Thanks for the information. Which one of those is more related with working at a hedge fund as a trader?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

You're welcome! Both could be pretty equally related to working in a hedge fund as a trader. But I think the CFA would be a better option for that career path personally

[@turalgasimov]

When it comes to prestige, can be CFA be more prestigious than LSE, LBS, MIT, Princeton and etc MSF programs?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Hello Turil, in my opinion, masters from those very top schools are probably more prestigious than the CFA. But the CFA is probably more prestigious to most people than masters from schools outside of the top tier

[@erenyeager4452]

Is MSF and masters in Quantitative Finance same?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

They are different! Masters of Finance (MSF) degrees will focus more on the fundamentals of finance and Quantitative Finance will focus more on calculations and programming related to finance

[@ignacioaguirre2870]

What about learning and content ??? The most important thing..

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

I personally felt that I learned more from the CFA but that is also due to the fact I spent many more hours on it!

[@asiimwejohnson7388]

Subscribed .

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Glad to have you onboard Asiimwe!

[@brians4640]

Hey Ryan, I was wondering if you knew whether qualifications like CFA/FRM improve your chances of getting into a good MSF program?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

In my opinion the CFA is beyond the scoop of most MSF programs. So after completing the CFA, you may be a bit over qualified for most MSF programs. But certainly it should improve your chances of getting by a large margin

[@brians4640]

@@RyanOConnellCFA Thanks for your response, I will most likely attempt to get into a good program after I pass level 2 and do level 3 while I am still studying. The issue is that while studying I will not be getting closer to the 3 years experience needed to get the charter. Any advice?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

@@brians4640 That is a good plan! The one thing you may have to account for is that it could get difficult to do Level 3 and the MSF simultaneously. The CFA institute is pretty lose with what counts as experience so you try to put any internships and to shorten the amount of professional years of experience you have. You will likely be a "Passed CFA Level 3" guy for a while

[@masonferguson21]

Was the return on investment (getting the MSF from tamu) worth it?!

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

I would say so. It allowed me to get a pretty decent job out of school and then I was able to leverage that knowledge to get the CFA

[@rupeshthomas5283]

Which Finance certification adds more value if you are aiming for a CEO material...

[@JCANPetros]

MBA with Finance specialization

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Probably an MBA. It is hard to say though, and extremely hard to get to the CEO level. CFA and MSF might be more useful to get to the CFO level, but still quite difficult

[@amirrazaavi]

Great information Ryan thnaks a lot. i have a quick a question. i have a bachelor degree in english literature and currently pursing a master in managment in uk, can cfa help me in my future career? since i dont have a specified degree in finance?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Hello, my pleasure! Are you 100% certain you want to pursue a finance based career path?

[@amirrazaavi]

@@RyanOConnellCFAIndeed. I want to pursue a mba in finance in three to four years & is it valued in major consulting firms before even mba?

[@Christine.K.90]

Hi Ryan i graduated this year with a Bachelors in accounting but i wanted to shift my career to either finance(masters in finance) or a study in monitoring and evaluation.and i am really confused ...any advice please.

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

What is monitoring and evaluation? I think it comes down to your personal finance situation for the MSF. If you are able to take a year off work it can absolutely be the move you need to break into finance if you get into a solid school

[@bullsfan9162]

If you get a Masters in Finance, what career opportunities can there be?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Too many for me to list here. Basically any jobs within the field of Finance should be available to you if you're able to hone your skill-set for the specific field

[@manavkashyap1927]

Is MSF - Masters of Finance a STEM Degree ? It involves Quants, Economics and Analysis. Please answer.

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Hello Manav, most of the time I've seen the MSF located in the business school and not technically in STEM. This can create problems for international students as I believe STEM programs allow the students to stay in the US longer upon graduation

[@manavkashyap1927]

@@RyanOConnellCFAYes Ryan that is what concerns me. I have seen that it depends on the college. The UT Austin MSF and MIT Sloan MFin are STEM. So comprehensive research will be required before enrolling.

[@majidareef3555]

Is CFA a good credentials for an Investment banks for M&A advisory?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

I'm not sure how much the CFA is valued in these types of roles. It can't hurt as there is M&A content covered in the CFA

[@bartlewis7398]

What about series exam

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

That is for a more specific line of work than these two and has legal implications. I have never done those tests so I can't speak to them

[@hassyam436]

I was thinking to take cfa level 1 then apply to MS Finance in germany , ( study at university while preparing for the rest of CFA L2 / L3 ) do you think it is a good idea please Help ! Thank you so much

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

I think doing both at the same time could be quite difficult. In my MSF program a bunch of people tried to do that. I believe only two were successful in clearing the first two levels during the graduate program

[@hassyam436]

@@RyanOConnellCFA Thank you so much , I will give it a try then if two people could do it , I can do it , btw thank you so much for your content you are the best

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

@@hassyam436 I love your confidence Hassy, best of luck!

[@anshjain7240]

Thank you Ryan for the video, just another doubt...For us international students doing a MSF in a top business school ... do you think it holds more value than a CFA and expectly more salary?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

My pleasure! That is hard to say. Would you be doing your MSF in the US?

[@anshjain7240]

@@RyanOConnellCFA yes probably targeting universities like MIT Georgia Tech Harvard etc....

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

@@anshjain7240 I think an MSF from some of those top schools would probably be more valuable than the CFA. Also one thing to consider is that if the MSF program is legally classified as a STEM program then you can stay in the US for a longer period of time after you graduate to look for jobs

[@forestlight6853]

Hi does cfa require accounting knowledge?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Levels 1 and 2 have a section called Financial Reporting and Analysis which is primarily accounting. These sections are a large portion of Level 1 and 2 but are not in Level 3

[@kalyanchakravarthy8433]

Is it possible to get an internship while doing MSF as it is a 12 month course???

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

It would be possible to do an internship while pursuing a 12 month MSF but it would need to be a part-time internship and the lifestyle would be very stressful trying to juggle both

[@lio1999]

Good and straight to the point video Ryan, I want to ask if there is a short way after getting CFA may allow my to complete just couple of ours for master degree?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Abu, I'm not familiar with any Masters degrees that work like that but it would be very nice. CFA does cover most of the content covered in a masters in finance and then much more beyond that. If you find any masters degrees that work like that, please be sure to revisit this comment and let us know!

[@lio1999]

@@RyanOConnellCFA thanks for your response, sure, I will be happy to help. Will keep searching and provide updates.

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

@@lio1999 Much appreciated!

[@varshajain4638]

i have cleared cfa l2 .and will be doing msf from hec paris. do you think cfa l3 is worth giving now?

[@anish3183]

Hey, I'm a masters in commerce graduate from India. I got an admission in Buffalo for MSF, but I deferred it to spring and got an entry level job in a big 4 a few months ago, now it's time to leave, but I'm not sure what to choose. Either continue with the entry level job and go for an MBA Finance, or go for an MSF now. Any advice?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Cogats! How do you like working the Big 4 entry level job Anish?

[@annajones9701]

I found CFA worthless compared to my Master's in Finance. If you attend a good university it will be more beneficial as includes programming and more relevant topics.

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

That is interesting to hear but you're right that the CFA does not touch on valuable programming skills that some MSF programs teach

[@annajones9701]

@@RyanOConnellCFA Also if have masters in finance then I would go for CAIA as we alternative investments will continue to grow. Giving you a charter exam, instead of CFA.

[@annajones9701]

@@RyanOConnellCFA There is just too much overlap. So that time could be better put to use actually investing, buying real estate etc. Actually grow your networth and putting theory to practice. If you can not got back to Business school or a top school then CFA is excellent cheap alternative.

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

@@annajones9701 I agree that there is too much overlap! I wish I'd have just chosen one, but personally it would have been CFA for me. And I definitely agree with you on the network of a masters. CFA is such a solo mission. I've heard good things about CAIA but it is just for people in the alternative investments space correct?

[@rearview8026]

i'm doing my bachelors in commerce , confused what to choose between MBA in Finance or MSF or CFA which one puts value to your time and money, can you plz help me out wth this, time could be better put to use actually investing and putting theory to practice your words helped me a lot for some extent.

[@dylanallen5653]

Hey I don’t know if you will still see this but I’m a senior right now in finance . I’m debating wether to pursue a masters degree in either finance or even computer science ? But I’m really not sure what to do . Do you have any advice if either of the two are worth it

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Hey Dylan! I made a video on this topic so I hope you'll find this helpful: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHi2ZWWGqtRod5o

[@praneethkumar1620]

Ryan , I want to pursue cfa further on caia . I want to go into investment side . Later after work experience I will do mba from ivy league college . What you say ? How's cfa and caia combination ?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

I'd say if you can pull all of that off you will be in for a lucrative and successful career! Go for it, but it won't be easy

[@praneethkumar1620]

@@RyanOConnellCFA yeah , thank you Ryan for your kind Words .I hope I will succeed in this plan . Thank you for the reply 😊 .

[@cosmicdarkmatter1128]

go Aggies!

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Gig em!

[@kavinayaselvaraj8883]

This was very informative ! I want to know if programming skills are needed for a career in investing and finance

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

I wouldn't say that they are "needed" but they can definitely help for advancement! Up to this point in time, most people that I've worked with in finance don't have much programming skills. But this makes the people who have them all the more valuable. You can work a lot more efficiently by automating tasks when you know how to program, and even use software like Excel far more effectively

[@kavinayaselvaraj8883]

@@RyanOConnellCFA Ohh alright. Which ones are the most useful?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

@@kavinayaselvaraj8883 Just from my personal experience, I've found these 3 to be most useful for finance: 1. VBA - most companies in finance do most of their modeling in Excel. So knowing how to automate things in VBA has been very useful. Most people are more familiar with Excel than python for example so they won't understand it if you send them python code. And if your VBA code works properly, they dont even need to understand how it works. 2. SQL - A lot of finance jobs require you to manage and manipulate databases. SQL is the most commonly used language for this 3. Python - It is getting much more popular in finance and required on a lot of job postings. It is the most popular object-oriented programming language in finance

[@kavinayaselvaraj8883]

@@RyanOConnellCFA Thank you so much

[@sobk718]

My exact strategy I’m trying to become over-employable 😂😂😂

[@alexlat111]

I’m going to Uni of Rochester for my MSF in August! Was thinking of also getting my CFA afterwards. Would you recommend getting both?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

It certainly can't hurt to get both but it is a ton of work. To be honest, if you get the CFA, it will have covered just about everything in the masters degree and much more, making the masters degree somewhat pointless

[@JCANPetros]

@@RyanOConnellCFA a Canadian here...just spoke to a director at Rotman business school (university of Toronto). He mentioned the Rotman MSF (MFin) goes way beyond the CFA.

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

@@JCANPetros I would not be surprised by that at all considering it is one of the top-ranked MSF programs in the world. I'd think a hand full of those top-ranked MSF programs would hold more weight with employers than the CFA

[@JCANPetros]

@@RyanOConnellCFA the CFA here in Canada does hold a lot of prestige as well and some employers may value it more. It’s just that the top two business schools here Schulich and Rotman, ensures that you can earn you CFA while completing the MSF. That’s a selling feature for them. In fact the Schulich MSF will not only help u earn the CFA but takes u 70% GARP. Plus MSF here is heavily research base, which is a plus if you want to work for central bank or become a professor/ academic

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

@@JCANPetros Wow, I hope you're able to get into that program! I've heard that there is an insane number of people in Toronto with the CFA to point that it's value is totally diluted there. Would you say that is pretty accurate?

[@econometrics469]

Green screen

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Good catch!

[@savana8854]

Thank you for your useful video. To make money, I had trouble choosing between two decisions, please help. Work in the Forex market and gain experience and income and be independent. Or continue my education in finance or cfa and get a job. Which way is more profitable. Is it possible to earn money independently by getting a cfa degree without being hired? Please make a video about earning money in Forex market. Thank you

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

I think the CFA is a lot more useful if you're looking to get hired by someone else rather than work for yourself. Probably the most lucrative route would be to get the CFA and then go work for a financial institution. Working by yourself in forex has a much higher probability of not earning as much money as the path above. Sorry, I cannot make videos about earning money in forex as it isnt something I've done or plan to do so I can't honestly represent myself as an expert on the topic

[@savana8854]

@@RyanOConnellCFA Thank you very much and I am glad that you answered my question. This is how I understood. Forex is not a way for me to spend my time and to earn more, I have to get my cfa degree. And then get hired. But I've heard a lot of advertisements from people who have quit their jobs and become self-employed in the Forex market. Thanks anyway

[@revantharyan]

For someone who has no background in finance is it advisable to do a cfa or msf

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

That depends on a few things. Most important (in my opinion) are the quality of school you can get into and your personal financial situation. If you don't get accepted into a top program then I'd say CFA. Also, if you can't afford to take a year or two off work (or don't want to go deep into debt) and dont want to pay steep tuition, then again I'd say CFA. If you're in a situation where you get into a top school and can take a year to do the program then the MSF would be worth it

[@revantharyan]

@@RyanOConnellCFA thank you so much!

[@seifelghabaty]

i watched your video and would like to get your opinion on a matter I finished my double degree in finance and economics but I don't know if I should study master's degree in economics and start with my CFA program or study master's in finance and then take the CFA. pointing out that I will probably work as a financial analyst or a financial advisor. thank you

[@JustinQuiksilver]

Great vid Ryan. What’s your undergraduate background if you don’t mind me asking?

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

Hey Justin! I got double majored in Finance and Economics for my undergrad. How about yourself?

[@JustinQuiksilver]

@@RyanOConnellCFA oh nice. I’m an economics undergraduate. Currently registered and studying for CFA level I exam 🙂

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

@@JustinQuiksilver That will be a great combo! The economics background will pair extremely well with the CFA. Just keep grinding!

[@JustinQuiksilver]

@@RyanOConnellCFA thanks Ryan! After I complete all 3 levels of CFA. Next stop, MSc Economics. Then I’ll take a break from studying 😂

[@RyanOConnellCFA]

@@JustinQuiksilver Lol I had the same itch to get a Masters after the CFA. Some of us are just addicted to studying I guess! After finishing the CFA an MSc Economics will feel like a breeze