Great Schism (1054)

Why did Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic churches split in 1054 A.D.? This video explores the political, cultural and theological issues between Eastern and Catholic faiths. For example, what is filioque and why was it important? What caused the Eastern Patriarch and the pope to fight? All of this is covered in this video in the Great Schism of 1054.
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I can´t believe these videos are much more interesting, not to mention more informative, than history channel documentaries, with all the money they invest in their productions

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[@trolloso75]

History channel goal is not inform but propaganda

[@guttfunk]

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[@TheKristoferA]

That is because history channel is not in the business of informing and educating you, but in that of entertaining you. Mostly achieved through targeted propaganda.

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

The Orthodox church has better hats.

[@christinesmyth7785]

at least they do not look like fish heads. the catholic church is trying hard to reunite eveyone. based on hats alone it is not going to happen.

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[@charlesmhorn]

This is outstanding. I am Catholic, my cousin is Orthodox. I remember he told me he doesn't have so much a theological issue with the filioque but that the Western Church did not have permission to do such a thing. I remember when Pope Benedict removed the title of Patriarch of the West from his titles. He did this in an effort to remove the bloviated titles of the pope. However, the Patriarch of Constantinople issued a rebuke as this was seen by the east as an attempt by the pope to be the patriarch of the world. It is fascinating. At the end of the day, we humans just have too much pride.

[@1969cmp]

Good post. Yes...pride is a right little 'bug' in our character.

[@pancratius602]

Was it Pope Benedict who removed that title? I always thought it was Pope Francis?

[@markuhler2664]

I agree with the Patriarch on this one. Surely there are other titles that could be dropped. Especially after all the work the past few decades in bringing the East & West closer.

[@anitalitwiller2080]

There are theological reasons though outside of you can't change the creed. Mainly that if I understand correctly, that when speaking of the Trinity, it either has to be true of all of the members of the trinity, or only true about one. Thus you can't have the Holy Spirit coming from both the Father and the Son without (albeit inadvertently) calling into question the divinity of the Holy Spirit.

[@charlesmhorn]

@@anitalitwiller2080 It's language. The Greek and Latin mean different things. Recent conversations suggest that both the west and east believe the same thing. The Holy Spirit is generated and proceeds from the father. The word proceeds in the west does not mean generated as it does in Greek. Rather I proceed out of my door but my house did not generate me. Christ can also send the Holy Spirit. However, in the Greek, it is better not to use the term as it would suggest Jesus generates the Holy Spirit. He does not. So the Catholic and Orthodox Church agree. John 15:26. Last note, this addition to the creed was added to fight heresy in the west that sought to show that Jesus was not fully God but that the Holy Spirit was another name for God. Anyways, I've read a ton on this. I have found that most people do not give an honest take of the various arguments. Language is a sticky thing. Words mean different things in different languages.

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[@DesertAres]

A very clear and simple explanation to me. The History Channel left true history a long time ago when they started programs like ‘American Pickers’.

[@thomasjust2663]

All "educational programs" on tv or cable have the goal of making money, not informing or actually teaching anyone anything...

[@twstf8905]

American Pickers is a great show! Ancient Aliens is great, too. Although far less, "Historical," lol it's still fun and entertaining.

[@Mikefantasia22]

@@thomasjust2663 watch PBS documentaries. They are straight to the point and fantastic.

[@andrewortiz9226]

the Catholic church was the first organized Christian church and from that came orthodox church than came Protestantism!! I used to be Christian but I'm converting to Islam because it just makes so much sense to me!! When I heard The Quran being recited I cried and weeped it really touched me!! But I love my fellow Christian Brothers and sisters and wish the best for them!! It's all about God and surrendering to Him!!

[@118Psalm]

@@andrewortiz9226 You never knew or have lost understanding of true Christianity. I beg you to go back and pray for wisdom and understanding of your need for "Salvation, which is only through Jesus Christ's birth, death, and restriction. Come to know this, Christianity is not a religion. It is being IN CHRIST and Christ in you.

[@longhaulconvert]

I'm Eastern Orthodox and a Scot (Orthodox Christianity came to Scotland through St. Ninian who died in 432 AD). You did a good job here. Thank you for that.Sometimes people ask me if we Orthodox believe in Christ or read the Bible. It's pretty pitiful how little people know about Christian history. They must think the Bible fell from the sky!A few basic questions might be answered on the 'Theoria' KZbin video's done by Fredrika Mathewes Green.

[@terraconensis2317]

Orthodox is Roman Paganism

[@kathywolf4558]

It is very interesting that people know so little about Orthodox. It does not matter if they are Coptic, Greek or Russian Orthodox. The lack of knowledge is astonishing to me. The people who have asked me about Orthodox are shocked to find out that the the western Church, known as the Roman Catholic, was the result of the schism. And many do not know of the resulting splits such as the Lutheran from the Roman Church. NIce to see other Orthodox here. Blessings.

[@latinmasschoir5581]

Bonnie Johnston, that claim about St Ninian is totally false and crazy . It;s like you claiming that St Bede the Venerable was a secret Russian monk. Total fib! St. Ninian was a Briton who'd trained in Rome. His Episcopal See was named after St Martin of Tours ( Latin Church ). He was ALWAYS part of the Latin Church and ALWAYS obedient to the authority of the Pope. He had nothing to do with what you refer to as "Orthodox". That term was not in use when St. Ninian was alive. There's no association between St Ninian, what you now call "Orthodoxy". Next you'll also claim that St Patrick was a secret Greek cleric.

[@longhaulconvert]

Respectfully, before 1054 there was no separate Roman Catholic Church. Rome in the West was a Patriarchy like Alexandria, Jerusalem, Antioch and the governing center was still Constantinople.

[@liamhughes1532]

I thought St Ninian was in Scotland before there was an 'orthodox' church, when there was just the roman church(and various small sects). Any info?

[@johncox2284]

As an Orthodox Christian I have to say that this is one of the best presentations of church history I have seen. A lot of historians have maintained that the eventbin 1054 was an excommunication of the entire Eastern and Western halves of the Church but in reality it was between just Humbert and the Patriarch. Thise excommunications were rescinded in the 1960's I believe.

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

They were, by Paul VI and Athenagoras. However, not all of the Orthodox Churches accepted the nullment of the anathemas and excommunications, some even saying that the monks at Mount Athos stopped naming Athenagoras in their prayers due to ecumenism.

[@nicodemuseam]

I don't believe those "lifting of anathemas" have any force; The RC's are still estranged from the Orthodox Faith, and show no signs of repentance; In fact, in the last century or so, it's gotten worse. I believe the best we can hope for is individual conversions to Orthodoxy.

[@johncox2284]

@@nicodemuseam true story. The Roman Church has a very skewed view of history in that they will say the Orthodox split off from them as though we were the original Protestants. I had one guy who does a Catholic blog tell me the Orthodox Church didn't start until the 1600s!

[@elbohike3500]

I had no idea of the Orthodox church until i visited a renaissance festival and found a the Jesus prayer in an Orthodox church tent. Fascinating when I started to look into the Church and how I felt a connection. To me the Original Christian church

[@jbarton1541]

I don't understand the need to have an all seeing God who will judge you and the threat of eternal dam nation to be a good person. I manage pretty well without it.

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[@kowlooncity]

@@jbarton1541 Then why comment that? Do you think anyone cares what you think about it? Nope.

[@nicodemuseam]

@@jbarton1541 "Goodness" requires a likeness to that which is Good; In the case of the Orthodox Christian, Who; The God-man Jesus Christ, together with the Father and the Holy Spirit. I daresay that without faith in God, the Holy Trinity, and in particular the person of the God-man Jesus Christ and His death and Resurrection, with the fullness of the Orthodox Faith, you have no justification for your worldview. On what basis do you logic? On what basis do you science? What foundation have your morals? The most important question: What is going to happen when you die? Nothing good, I'm afraid. The same goes for me, in my current state: An Orthodox Christian lacking repentance towards God. I am the worst man I know... Yet God, in His mercy, provides for our sustenance, gives us to rise each day for another shot at repentance... Maybe today is the day that you give up your false autonomy, and cry out to Jesus Christ to save you from this bitter life full of death and decay. He stands at the door; Do you let Him into your life? God is everywhere present and fills all things; the uncontainable, uncircumscribable, immaterial(excepting the human nature of Jesus), all-merciful, all-loving, all-powerful God, Who, in this moment, holds you in existence despite your unbelief in Him. Your whole life He's been angling for your attention; He's hidden in His Commandments, and I'm sure you know some of them by heart: Do not steal, do not murder, honor your mother and father... Love your God with all your strength and all your mind and all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself; There are times that you've done good and you've known it. There are times that you've done evil, and you know that it was wrong. Your conscience, the voice of God inside you, which cries out when everything inside and outside is silent... It is why you drown yourself in noise, in pleasures, in company, in sleep; Anything to push away the silence and the thought of your death, like the yawning void it represents in your future existence...

[@johnp8354]

@@nicodemuseam good stuff man. God bless

[@thomasd2444]

09:40 - 962 : Otto 1st : H R E 10:30 - 10:55 - 1049 : Pope Leo 9th 11:05 - Church Relations 11:33 - Church Governance 11:48 - Eastern Church Governance 12:30 - 12:57 - Antioch - - Alexandria - - Constantinople - - Jerusalem - - Rome 14:10 - Modern Patriarchs 14:30 - East & West difference

[@doge-of-venice]

God bless.

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[@psychiatry-is-eugenics]

26:15 Humbert ?

[@user-ru7ql4vp2m]

Humbert was sent tby Pope Leonlll to Constantinoples for fighting or negotian his Papacy.Ortodox church from Antiochia,Alexandria,Niceea ,Libya andAthena and Constantinople rejected Leon,s lll proposal with his primacy.Explenation:all the Apostoles of JESUS CHRIST are EGUAL in rights,no ones can be big than other!Humbert was very angry and go back to Rome😅😅😅.

[@kevinhughes3477]

As an Anglican. The more I study the Eastern Orthodox, the more there is that I really love.

[@dzanastrabuna]

The Orthodox way is really rewarding, it opens the heart and awakens the mind

[@anetakastrickiene9526]

The answers to my deepest questions I found (and I WAS searching!) in orthodoxy, in writings of fathers, monks. And I am not an Orthodox. Yet. Orthodoxy most of all has those truly saintly men and women that God greatly worked through the lives of. Just by reading their biographies one can become a Christian, that's how inspiring it is.

[@wagelaseh1st74]

@FightPeople lmao, where did you find women diacon?

[@derringer1072]

@FightPeople that's just a bunch of sensationalist hogwash

[@KristiLEvans1]

Mariology is bad doctrine. E.O. practices this. I’d avoid it for that reason.

[@gman21266]

Thank you, Ryan Reeves, for posting great historical lessons here on KZbin.

[@LucasKellis]

I was raised in a Protestant Church and have since come back into communion with Rome. I spent much time exploring Orthodoxy. I cry every time I think about the schism (which is often). As one born an outsider to both Churches and a child of divorce it is absolutely heartbreaking that our two Churches are in schism. It honestly felt like my parents asking me to choose a parent when exploring Western and Eastern Churches.

[@chayanroychoudhury3091]

What made you choose Roman Catholic instead of Orthodox?

[@LucasKellis]

@@chayanroychoudhury3091 I think there is one major reason and that is papal authority. Now I know thatd a firestorm from my experience in the Orthodox realm but hear me out I'm not some "Deus Vult everyone must unconditionally submit" kind of guy. I want to emphasize that I'm not a theologian and wont try to act like one. It seems to me (I'm sure there are exceptions) that most Orthodox that I've encountered have 0 interest in reunion with the West at all which to me is anti biblical how Jesus wanta the church to be one just as he and the Fatherare one. I wont claim that Rome always is correct but just as Satan inflitrated the RC with peodophile prelots I think he also inflitrated the EO with bitterness and lack of desire to reunite. If our churches could come back think of how strong we could be to muater against new atheism or the attack of Islam. So by papal authority I mean the power the pope has to act as the head of the church and make disputing bishops sit down and talk it out with councils. Like a parent making two fighting children ait down amd make up after a fight. Again I'm no theologian but what I saw between Moscow and Constantinople over Ukraine made me think this is why we need a pope a third party to settle these infighting disputes.

[@chayanroychoudhury3091]

@@LucasKellis That makes sense. Thanks a lot.

[@anthonycarroll6546]

Why did you go back to the church knowing satan has infiltrated it?

[@LucasKellis]

@@anthonycarroll6546 Because Satan's infiltration does not change the fact it is the authentic original church. More so I find it cowardly that anyone would rather leave than fight to reclaim Christs Church.

[@therecusantluddite1133]

thank you for this explanation of the schism. i am a (Russian) Orthodox Christian born and raised in america originally as a first baptist. you are the first non orthodox person to present a non biased view of the schism that i can appreciate. the only issue i take with presentation is that in 2004 when the patriarch and the pope recited the nicene creed as it has been since it was created, you failed to mention that westerners did ask pope john paul II why he agreed to recite the creed in its original form and he acknowledged that it is carved in stone in its original form without the filioque above St. Peter's entrance. but again, best non biased presentation of schism that i can appreciate

[@jbarron4596]

I love these types of videos where the lecturer gets to the point and delivers the content. Usually, lecturers will drone on and on and draw a lecture out that could be half as long and twice as interesting if they would just focus on getting the job done and straightforward.

[@nicksterwixter]

THANK YOU SO MUCH for explaining the history and theology behind this in such a clear and concise way! Let's continue to pray for the reunification of these two great Churches--it seems to be working!

[@steveqhanson6835]

You've done such a great job of explaining such a complex issue. Thanks for making this.

[@dave4744]

Wow. You have a gift to explain something in very simple terms. Most educational videos are overcomplicated. It's very easy to listen to you and follow what you say.

[@debrawillard3034]

thank u

[@PoolNoodleGundam]

I may not be a man of any faith, but this subject matter is just too interesting to pass up. Theology has been a crucial part of history, no doubt about it.

[@Maximooch]

Christ-Chan

[@danielirvin4420]

Ditto.

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[@ionikiosslone6777]

If you’re Catholic, these Bible truths are shared out of love for you, because you may not know what God has declared to you in His Holy Word. Read through the list and see what the Bible reveals about the leaders of the Catholic Church. You don’t have to understand all of the prophecies and their fulfillment, just simply read through the study to see how the Bible specifically describes the Catholic Church. The Bible foretold that the church of the antichrist would be are arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with precious stones. “The woman (apostate church) was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.” Revelation 17:4 “The color for bishops and other prelates is purple, for cardinals scarlet… The pectoral cross should be made of gold and… decorated with gems…” (Source: Our Sunday Visitor’s Catholic Encyclopedia, 1991, p. 175, 178, 466) The Bible foretold that the Harlot (false Church) would assert power over ALL of the Earth. “Then he said to me, ‘The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.’ ” Revelation 17:15 “We define that the Holy Apostolic See and the Roman Pontiff (Pope) hold the primacy over the whole world.” (Source: Laetentur Coeli, Council of Florence, 1439)

[@dominicward1812]

Ionikios Slone You are no Christian that’s for sure. You accuse that’s the Devil title accuser. The Catholic Church is Christ Church the one he planted from the beginning. You are attacking Christ himself when you attack his Church the only Church that can trace itself back to Christ himself the only Church that’s true to him by doing what pleases him. The only Church that has Christ himself present in the Tabernacle ( Eucharist)

[@BeColorBlind]

I'm pleased to have finally found a video that does more than brush over the topic of the Great Schism. Thank you for the time and effort that you put into making this to help us better understand what happened.

[@yehezkielwongkar3673]

My struggle for decades to find the early church like in the story of the Apostles prompted me to dig through the internet (KZbin) Thank God I finally found the orthodox church

[@AmazingPhilippines1]

Thanks for this history lesson. I just found your channel and always interested in learning on how we arrived at where we are today.

[@csphilosophy]

Great video series brother - this one in particular was excellent and well balanced

[@MarcosSoni]

Fascinating, organized, and very clear lecture. Everything from historical context, cultural differences, theological differences, and ultimately, "who is in charge," this lecture helped me alot.

[@mirelairinapetre6503]

Im orthodox. What I found to be very funny,is the fact that,after the Great Schisma ,both Churches put anathema to each other.Meaning they cursed each other! Nice!

[@ohmyblindman]

Very well explained, with no particular axe to grind, Thank you

[@michaelofsydney6128]

Oh wow. This is so informative. Excellent work. So much to study...so limited time.

[@loganpeck5084]

Thank you for this. Much needed content. Fantastic explanation. I knew some of the story, but this really cleared it up.

[@StacieHaneline]

You're a good teacher. This is the first video on this topic that makes sense to me.

[@mikhailv67tv]

Historically fascinating and thoroughly researched. I live it keeping history alive. Thank you

[@artistsurafel]

Great lecture. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@hillogical]

Thank you for putting this up, Dr Reeves.

[@Kommandant7]

Such beautiful lectures. Thanks for your work, doc!

[@57badarse]

Guy at work. "Whatcha listening to?" Looks at phone, eyes glaze over, coworker returns to listening to the same 7 songs on the radio....i smile to myself and return to work, thankful that i can learn so many things every day. For what is the purpose of a life without curiosity!

[@lukedunford9120]

Another excellent, interesting and informative lecture. Great content.

[@MrWeebable]

Somehow you manage to present history without too many names and dates, and you give a feel for how each party in a conflicted viewed themselves and the world. And concise and free! Thanks

[@gloriamontgomery6900]

So glad to see this video. I have been an avid reader of history for years, but usually the schism is just referred to in passing, not explained in depth. Thank you!

[@cynicalskeptic]

Fascinating video and lecture, thank you very much Mr Reeves! PS What software are you using for making your videos? I'm impressed by you managing to keep viewers attention with your voice and image switching so it never gets boring.

[@rhdtv2002]

I love my Eastern Orthodox brothers..I'm Catholic

[@rcm4u2]

Rich Lo, me too!

[@inlandwatchreviews5745]

@@rcm4u2 I am Orthodox and love my Catholic Brothers. I love the one Holy Catholic and apostolic church.

[@rcm4u2]

Michael McCombs yep, I’m Roman Catholic, with lots of good Eastern Orthodox friends and neighbors. The differences are small, IMO.

[@TheLittledikkins]

@@rcm4u2 Except we do not have the horrendous fasts that the Armenian and Assyrian Orthodox do. I know these two Orthodox Churches best because I have friends who belong to both. They can't eat most foods during their very long fasts.

[@rcm4u2]

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[@LarsPallesen]

This was excellent! Really enjoyed this lecture. Thank you.

[@bigg4403]

This is the Western Scism. The Western Church was the one that delivered the letter of excommunication to the Eastern Church because the Western Church established 1 man to be in absolute rule over the Church. Also, a Pope then went ahead and ordered the Changing of the Nicene Constantinople Creed. The Pope was only supposed to be first among equals, not absolute ruler.

[@johns.9659]

I seen inside an Orthodox Church for the first time recently, I was saddened that we are not united in one belief, one mind. To my Eastern Christian Brothers we are a new generation together and what separated us in the past we were not a part of. Let us pray that we become united once more. Amen Your brother in Christ.

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[@joeessig3550]

The Great Internet Reunification. Amen. Lol.

[@johnfromtennessee2651]

@@joeessig3550 LOL.

[@anshulsharma5353]

@@joeessig3550 Lol XD

[@mike7652]

Great video! KZbin recommendations finally coming through with something good!

[@jamiereife5581]

Wow, you are an excellent teacher. Thank you for posting this account.

[@rikurodriguesneto6043]

I just gotta thank you, dude, your videos are so good.

[@vpertoso]

Very good information on how this all happened. We Greek Orthodox and the Roman Catholics once and a while have joint Sunday Liturgy/Mass together at the Greek Orthodox Cathedral of the Annunciation in Atlanta GA. May God guide us all back as one church again.

[@fisharmor]

I very much doubt that. In order to be an Orthodox Liturgy, there has to be communion - and in order to be a Catholic Mass, there has to be communion. There is very little chance that you are communing together. If that's what you're doing, eventually both sides will work to put a stop to it.

[@guineapig55555]

Vincent, that will never happen, as your Satanic sect allows anyone to divorce and for any reason, and you have no order in your Churches due to rejecting many Catholic ecumenical councils that established hierarchies in worship.

[@groblerful]

Vincent, yours is the best & most constructive comment I have read so far. We all need to be united again.

[@panayiotisxenakis277]

This is abominable, and worthy of deposition. Saint Paul commanded us to never pray with heretics or those of a different faith, let alone have a joint liturgy. Read the opinion of every single church father of the modern era on ecumenism and the life of Saint Mark of Ephesus...

[@mitchellosmer1293]

quote--a while have joint Sunday Liturgy/Mass together---unquote----WHERE in the Holy Bible does It state that God rested,blessed AND sanctified the FIRST day of the week? WHO made Sunday a holly day? It WAS NOT GOD!!!! Must have been man !! What "man"has the right/authority to change what God has blessed AND sanctified????

[@Stevepsych22]

We Orthodox sometimes joke that the Pope was the first Protestant!

[@njohn6995]

Orthodox ended up divided like protestants .

[@Stevepsych22]

@@njohn6995 Unfortunately, humans are always divided. A condition of the fall is our duplicity, which instead of repairing it, plays out in the public square as us vs. them, right vs. wrong. We're all guilty.

[@servus_incognitus]

Such a sad thing to joke about

[@texasrox2010]

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[@inTruthbyGrace]

@@njohn6995 Eph 4:1-32 is pretty clear that is exactly how it would be UNTIL we come to the "unity of faith" and thus we were to NOT get carried away with the teachings of men, synods, and extrabiblical hierarchies, traditions, and all manner of political, earthly lusts .. unfortunately for Catholics of all varieties (east to west to every variety of "reformed" etc) you do not realize that us coming to the unity of faith is the work of The Holy Spirit finalized at glorification... It is tragic that Our Lord Jesus echoed the words of Isaias repeating the warnings about men setting aside the Commandments of God for the teachings of men: "Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men" (Isaiah 29:13) "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me but in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." (Matt 15:8-9).... "How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?" (John 5:44).... Tragic answer is "For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God." (John 12:43) sadly: They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy. (Jon 2:8) and those that hold men in admiration could care less what God has said...

[@Templarswordxx7]

Watched many times, always makes me tear. Nice work!

[@vineandbranches9272]

I'll be sure to use this info at my next home group meeting. Perhaps I'll say something like, "Hey, does anybody know about the Great Schism of 1054? You don't? Well let me tell you what I learned from watching Ryan Reese's channel...." Three points stood out for me: a) East/West mindset b) Authority c) filioque a) The side-by-side pictures of Eastern Orthodox Bishops and Pope illustrates the worldview divide between East/West. Eastern culture values community, conformity Western culture values individuality, independence b) Authority- I believe this difference in worldview played a part in why the West wanted independence from the East ( Let's not forget the role of the sinful nature acting in the lives of the West's Church leaders...power corrupts...) c) By providing the political and theological context, you gave me the best explanation of why filioque was such a big deal Thanks. I'm a new subscriber.

[@brianrinz5586]

This is a fantastic lecture. Quality of this channel in general is also great.

[@glutinousmaximus]

... AND such a wonderful audience; and a veritablr ARMY of posters, completely in tune with each other - and not a bad word to say about each other! Remarkable!!

[@morsmordre3]

@@glutinousmaximus That's only because there's no politics in this comment section

[@jared19788]

Very informative. Love your work!

[@quicktoevil]

A priveledge to be here learning from you, sincere thanks for your channel!

[@robertemerson1087]

I've lived on both coasts of the U.S and multiple states throughout the country and I've met very very few people who actually know what orthodoxy is.

[@markb43752000]

i live in alaska the church has a big presence here we call russian orthodox

[@paulhutnyan4171]

Alaska 1st was a Russian property claim as missionaries came to the frontier of their country. So the USA purchased Alaska and ourselves California from the Russians and Spanish. So the Orthodox Church is very present in Alaska and California.

[@simplewick350]

Orthodox or Russian Old Believers

[@Amateur0Visionary]

I live in Alaska. The Church has a big presence here. We call it Russian Orthodox. Punctuation is awesome!

[@simplewick350]

@@Amateur0Visionary which church?

[@Amateur0Visionary]

@@simplewick350 i was simply retyping OP's message with punctuation.

[@AjRobinsonUg]

Growing up in Protestantism and other sects of Christianity, I find this fascinating. Very good job with this video.

[@nosuchthing8]

Same here as a Catholic.

[@PaxTecum777]

then you better convert to be a catholic because you have to read early church fathers.

[@marianmaricaruful]

Better to Orthodoxy

[@vibecheck3572]

watch Jay Dyer on youtube and become orthodox.

[@mysteryandmeaning297]

@@PaxTecum777 early church father's many disagreed with each other. If read them would know. Cause man is not infallible. I would say stick with more early Apostolic father's or the apostles writings in New testament

[@JM-qi9wv]

You are an excellent teacher and your videos are very watchable.

[@barbarathomas5530]

Thank you for explaining in this manner. I've heard it explained before but it always confused me but I am not confused anymore.

[@expatmartin]

excellent, balanced and informative documentary. Thank you very much Ryan.

[@markanderson6133]

As an Orthodox Christian I found your lecture illuminating for its perspective. Orthodoxy, even today, considers itself the original church. But if we look at the experience of our spiritual cousins, the Georgian, Armenian and the other "oriental" churches, one has to wonder if all this talk about primacy is important. Glory to Jesus Christ! Indeed, Glory forever.

[@user-xh9td7ts1l]

Georgians are Eastern Orthodox.

[@AndersonBush-gb2kv]

It definitely matters. The one Church of Christ exists visibly and cannot be divided.

[@johnsherfey3675]

@@AndersonBush-gb2kv I'm ignorant to where it says it can't be divided, so I'm curious to ask where in the bible it says such?

[@jdk67]

@@johnsherfey3675it’s theology. The Church cannot be divided because it is the Bride of Christ. Christ cannot have more than one bride. There is One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church, and it cannot be divided just as Christ’s body cannot be divided.

[@johnsherfey3675]

@@jdk67 If multiple organs with different functions are separated in the body, does that make them not part of it?

[@virtuallybliss]

Thank you Ryan. Very clear and cogent presentation.

[@itznoxy7193]

Great content. I looked this up topic to learn more and clicked on your video. I watched this whole thing until the picture of you at the vatican and realized "Hey that's the tolkien guy!". I watched a bunch of your lectures on tolkien a year ago which were very good btw. I didn't realize yoo covered history as well. Just subscribed.

[@thexalon]

24:31 I must say, I find it interesting that although one of the issues dividing East and West was iconoclasm, the Eastern Patriarch is wearing a more decorative outfit than the Western Pope.

[@r3d5ive87]

I’ve noticed Greek, Russian and Coptic orthodox still use plenty of icons still

[@KasumiRINA]

Orthodox houses in Ukraine were supposed to have a "red corner" with icon or the home would be considered unholy. Idolatry is MANDATORY in Orthodoxy. There are official russian Orthodox churches "of Vladimir-Suzdal icon of Mary", for example. Whole CHURCHES dedicated to worshiping a single piece of wood from somewhere else, which includes icons of Bloody Nicholas, the Czar, Stalin, and now even putin. At this point, Orthodoxy is tied with Bank of Vatican's peado-Catholicism and Donald-trump worshiping protestants for the three most ridiculous Christian denominations.

[@voxveritas333]

@@KasumiRINA right on!

[@mosescosme8629]

It's because it never was a dividing issue. Iconoclasm was strangling the Eastern Church and the Western Church fought against it, but so did the holy men of the Eastern Church. The 7th Ecumenical Council, held in Constantinople, condemned iconoclasm as a heresy and reestablished icons in worship. This is a commonly venerated council between Orthodox and Catholics. While this period of Christian history can be used as an example of rising tensions between the East and West, it cannot be said at all that iconoclasm was a dividing issue between the Orthodox and the Catholics, both of whom hate and condemn iconoclasm.

[@Franco_City]

The pic with all the orthodox priests at 11:50 , THATS MY CHURCH. the priest on the left is my father of confession i see every week. That pic was taken at a coptic orthodox church in los angeles. small world! :D

[@RyanReevesM]

That's cool man! It was the only pic I could find where Orthodox priests are standing lined up like this. I thought it was a good representation of the 'united brothers' style of leadership in Orthodoxy. :)

[@rx88088]

Pictured are "Oriental Orthodox" which broke off in the 500's. They are different from the Canonical "Calcedonian" Eastern Orthodox. JUst so you know. :)

[@rx88088]

Try looking up the 1025th Anniversary of the Baptism of Rus for pictures of ALL of the Canonical Patriarchs / Heads of churches together in 2013. :)

[@opticalillusionsforyou4329]

Franco Toma are you a good genji

[@terraconensis2317]

Orthodox is Romanism just like Catholicism

[@PierreSeattle]

A concise and clear expose served by a precise and objective mind as well as a perfect elocution

[@zestoslife]

Fascinating. Down here in New Zealand we have very small orthodox community - very rarely something comes up in the news and I have never seen or heard anything personally (in our small country that is unusual and means it is rare). So have often wondered what the scisum was about.

[@ossiedunstan4419]

You need to have a hungi mate and cook the Churchie's, Just like the old days.

[@BlitzOfTheReich]

8:40 The Eastern Emperor at the time was actually an Empress, Empress Irene because the West argued that the position of Emperor was vacant because she was a woman.

[@gwlevits]

The East would have argued the same thing. Irene did not rule in her own right, but only as a regent for her son Constantine VI. She was never recognized as the actual sovereign empress, and was overthrown shortly after blinding her son to keep power. There was never a Roman Empress like there is a Queen of England today. The idea of a female monarch was unthinkable; in fact, in some places in the West a women would have had an easier time ruling.

[@claytonbenignus4688]

Couldn’t the Holy Roman Emperor have a suitable single male relative to send to Empress Irene to satiate her feminine lust and form a marriage alliance to head off this split?

[@lawrencebrown3677]

@@gwlevits What about Elizabeth I of England ?

[@gwlevits]

@@lawrencebrown3677 What about her? She wasn't even the first queen of England. Most of her problems were religious or political, not because she was a woman.

[@widescreennavel]

Replaced by fat men with beards...something ripped from Life of Brian...they BOUGHT some of those beards I think at 1:02.

[@stevenmassey2276]

Wonderful lecture. It is a very good account of the differences between the Eastern and Western Churches. As an Orthodox Christian, I hope for a reconciliation of the two Churches. Dr. Reeves' lectures on all topics that I have only recently seen are superb. Thank you for your work and sharing it with us.

[@nicotri9722]

It will never happen. The Pope backstabbed the Orthodox church when he allowed the 4th Crusade that sacked Constantinople, to happen.

[@stevenmassey2276]

@@nicotri9722 I agree with you, but also I have faith that, one day, all the will feel the power of the Holy Spirit and ACT upon it to offer and receive forgiveness. Unfortunately, too many hold on to the past. That precludes forgiveness for all.

[@nicotri9722]

@@stevenmassey2276 Too many differences in Church doctrine at this point, for the churches to ever unite.

[@gch8810]

They cannot unite as long as the Bishop of Rome claims that he is the Vicar of Christ on Earth.

[@patrick.rosade]

I, as a catholic, also longing for unity. One thing that really needed is godly humility from each other.

[@glennfeltman6241]

Thanks for all your teaching on church history ive studied most of all your utube videos and they taught me alot thanks again .

[@joshstephens842]

I never knew much about Eastern orthodoxy thank you for the informational video!

[@ogieogie]

I'm not a Christian, but I found this talk very interesting. Thank you.

[@paulfarrehi4200]

Ditto

[@HJKelley47]

Thank you for this concise understanding of the root of the Schism between the East and West. I've often thought that pride and wanting power were really two keys behind the splitting of the Body of Christ.

[@JohnHoulgate]

I'm very familiar with this history. It seemed the last time the Eastern Roman army did anything for the Bishop of Rome was coming to the Italian peninsula to oust the Ostrogoths. When they got there, the Ostrogoths mysteriously disappeared never to be heard from again. The Byzantine army went back to Constantinople and then the Pope and his Catholics faced another threat - the Lombards. That was when they called upon the Franks for assistance and the Franks eventually became the militant guardians of the Roman Church and of course, this led to the formation of the Holy Roman Empire with a Frankish king as its emperor. This is why the conversion of the Franks was so vital to the survival of the Roman Catholic faith.

[@CrossTimbersSon]

As someone brought up in the west as a Protestant, this is all very fascinating and also very sad. Jesus’s prayer in the gospel of John chapter 17 expresses His desire that we might be one together with Him and with the Father. When Rome broke away and left the other four, it was the start of a fracture that still goes on today, with more than 20,000 denominations today. I’ve come to realize I’m an offspring of the fracture.

[@uncasunga1800]

Fake weirdo stop lying

[@QiChaDao]

Become orthodox

[@Yeshuuuuu]

Imagine being Jewish and realizing that christianity is legitimate 😅

[@oliveri9407]

Rome did not break away, the eastern churches broke away. Becoming the first Protestants.

[@damienzht]

@@oliveri9407 So 4 patriachs were wrong and 1 was right? Why did they split, when the pope existed before like catholics say

[@sonydc4419]

It would be great if ALL Christians would help their brothers and sisters in Christ who are suffering under ISIS.

[@beakyturf6336]

The Israeli Security and Intelligence Service? Yeah we should....it's time to destroy the synagogue of Satan once and for all....and let's be clear, I'm talking about wiping out Zionism....not Jews.

[@Aivottaja]

Yes, it is our problem also. But Islam still has its inner problem with Mohammad.

[@damexipino]

SonyDC it would be great if all Christians,brothers and sisters, would hold accountable all pedophile priests,not just relocating them,i mean real civil justice and that they would stop attempting to apply christian morality to non-christians...

[@johncook3496]

@@damexipino - it's truer to say *homosexual* priests, pedos are different - the problem now coming out was gay priests who had joined the priesthood to avoid the problems of their sexuality in abstinence, found themselves being indoctrinated with "free love" immorality propaganda in the seventies - they weren't sick, just gullible. It was the time of the second Vatican council and young priests thought they were being progressive...

[@tropicalstrings]

SonyDC I agree 100% but most " Christians in the west do NOT know the difference between islam and Christianity in Syria." all thest - fake- Christians rather help muslims as catholics. they 95% thinks we have the same god.

[@KristiLEvans1]

I can’t believe this content is free. Thank you, so much.

[@larrygarner1413]

Excellent clarity on causes and context of the Schism.

[@alexdayenian]

Growing up armenian orthodox, i didnt realize people did things another way. Proud to be a part of something so ancient

[@johntellnott12345]

29:31 excellent lecture, thankyou for the knowledge.

[@mercster]

Thank you for the great lecture.

[@Timothy2963]

Thank you so much for this concise, balanced and illuminating history of the 'Great Schism'. I always felt that it was more about authority rather than theology as so many divisions in the various churches typically are. When I was studying Theology at university I was required to argue the separation only through the lens of Theology rather than History. I found the study empty as I was looking at the issue with one eye covered. Thank you for allowing me to see the issue with far more clarity. It would be good to hear your thoughts on the 'Historicity of Jesus'.

[@lapointe64]

FIrst video of yours that I've watched. Most excellent!

[@kakarroto007]

Thank you, this was very informative.

[@theresanotare2296]

Excellent job on summarizing this history! My doctorate is in Church History as well, and I minister at a high level in the RC Church. I can tell you that the average RC does not know this history. You are providing a wonderful service!

[@Outspoken.Humanist]

As a non-believer interested in the history of religions I found this video very instructive. It did nothing to change my views but that was not its intent. It was clear, concise and explained the topic very well.

[@wayneschlotfeldt1631]

Understandable. Church politics can be extremely damaging and divisive to even the most ardent believer. I've rejuvenated my Christian walk by going back to the basics where I study the scripture as to how relates and benefits mankind on a personal level. I'm reading Tony Dungy's (ex NFL ciacj) daily devotoonal "Dare to be uncommon" It really is a well written uplifting book to begin the day with. It brings a short dsily scripture into contact with our world. Take care friend.

[@suppaman12]

How are you faring? Still agnostic?

[@Outspoken.Humanist]

@@suppaman12 Hello and thank you for the question. Technically, we are all agnostic because no-one can 'know' gods exist, only believe or not. At 65 years old, I have been an agnostic atheist for over 40 years and as a student of religion and the bible for much of that time, I have found nothing to change my view. I do not and cannot know there is no god but I do not believe there is. I am a humanist. I am convinced that the supernatural does not exist and, as such we must do our best to help each other, the planet and the other forms of life with which we share it. We must take pride in our achievements and resposibility for our failures and crimes, without needing to thank or worship a diety for the good, or blame one for the bad.

[@Murlo.]

​@@Outspoken.HumanistThe devil doesn't waste his time with you. His mission is take send as many souls to hell as he can.The ones who believe in God are the ones he goes after with a vengeance. And in this battle is where the evidence lies. In miracles, visions, messages and grace. You're not getting any younger. There is still time. Use it wisely.

[@Outspoken.Humanist]

@@Murlo. 😂 I like it. But, if you will, let’s pretend you’re serious for a moment, to allow me make a point. I hope it’s not too boring. It is interesting that the Devil character is entirely absent from the bible and is a post biblical invention, using ideas borrowed from Hellenism and then applied in error to misunderstood passages. Satan simply means opposer or adversary and is a role or function, not a name. We might think of it as a 'devil's advocate' whose job is to be a contending voice in debate. Lucifer is even more fascinating. It comes from two incorrect translations laid atop of each other. Firstly, a translation of a Hebrew phrase in Isaiah, “shining one, son of the dawn” which was a sarcastic reference to a Babylonian king with delusions of grandeur. It was translated into Greek by the Septuagint as Theophorous which was another name for the planet Venus, also known as the morning star. Later, in his translation to Latin, Jerome used the word Lucifer, which was the planet’s other name. From all that we get the idea of Satan as person and Lucifer as Satan, and the post biblical development of the Devil came to be associated with the word Satan and the name Lucifer but all of it is the invention of men, after the bible was written, and is merely folklore. So, your funny comment just shows how men can create their own demons and then convince themselves they are real and that is why only Christians are possessed. It’s in their minds. Have a good one.

[@katim2644]

I finally found you again. I'd forgotten your name but really want to find you series; about, you popped up randomly. Now I bookmark you so I don't lose you again. Great series btw.

[@robertn2951]

Your videos make KZbin worthwhile! I would love it if you made one about Arianism, just to learn more about it.

[@TomHamilton54]

well done. Provides some wonderful information which I do not remember getting as a Protestant. Should be viewed by all who call themselves Christian.

[@imthebestthingsinceslicedr5400]

Ive seen a couple of documentaries about the church and from what I saw, things that happened are bound to happen. The best I can do as a Christian is to live my life as a good person, stay away from sin and help people in need as best as I can. Its very interesting tho to hear the history and I thank you for uploading this

[@JesusGarcia-Digem]

Trust in Christ alone!!!

[@R_L_1369]

Good brother in Christ, I will pray for you. God is God regardless of denomination. Pray for me as well.

[@nikalonto9217]

hello, please continue making these videos!!

[@southjersey10]

Wow. This historical presentation was amazing and timely for me. Brought to mind the famous words of Rodney King: Can’t we all just get along?

[@ronalddunne3413]

Thank you for posting this lecture. Very informative. Being born to a Calvinist mother and E Orthodox father... this was something of a contradiction in teaching and belief! You have done much to clarify the issues both theological and historical. Presented in an interesting and disinterested fashion, as all your lectures are.

[@yakkityyak9336]

wow! THAT is some match!

[@andys3035]

Christmas and Easter must be interesting at your house

[@justkenzie]

Hearing this for the second time after quite some time. 💜

[@M.Smith1]

Thank you for your narration of this informative history of Christianity.

[@ca8368]

Thank you for this amazing presentation. Listening to this made me feel I was back at UCLA taking history classes. I minored in Roman history and this fascinates me.

[@ca8368]

I learned so much of the Catholic Church studying Roman history. So many adapted titles for example by the Pope.

[@DantheArtMan]

LOVE IT!! Thanks for your hard work and gracious spirit. I'm a typical Evangelical/ Baptist preacher's kid / charismatic / Christian., I began stumbling on the Orthodox Church about 15 years ago, and was shocked, amazed, and delighted to find that I was brother to the largest Christian Church in the world. I went back and looked at my church history textbook from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, and was shocked to discover that the entire subject of the great schism was given one page in our textbook! Talk about a myopic view point! Anyway, loved this teaching, look forward to listening to lots more.

[@kaleomariz1000]

Wow 😮! This says a lot about our Protestant culture in America (assuming you are American).

[@TheRealThomasPaine1776]

Well done, thank you for putting it together

[@Fyodor48]

Excellent commentary, you may well have exposed my ignorance, regardless, I thank you for the upload

[@hectorbueso5221]

I pray for East and West to be united.

[@slavicproductions7757]

do you want the catholic church to unite with the orthodox church or the opposite?

[@Mathignihilcehk]

I'm not so sure both need to be cleansed or corrected first. I think the most important thing is that both churches accept who the actual head of the church needs to be. Hint hint, it's not the Pope. And it's not the Patriarchy either. (It's Jesus.) It's a shame the schism has lasted so long, given that this has come up before. See Luke 22:24 etc. Point is, fighting over who will be the greatest is the wrong fight. And really, fighting over who will be the greatest is the primary factor in the divisions that have happened in the church. More or less, the Protestant Reformation was the result of people realizing just how much the Catholic Church had been corrupted. They had invented theology, kept the people ignorant of their special relationship with Christ, weakened Christ's power over death, and muddied the Gospel with idol worship. At the time, much of the Catholic Church agreed with the reformation. They were ousted from the church prior to the Catholic Reformation, which cemented the view to be the polar opposite of the reformation. It's all just power grabs. The thing is, most of theology is pointless to squabble over. Will Christ come pre or post tribulation? Should we remember notable historical figures or not? What should be the place of tradition in the church? These are important, but they are not worth the division that exists within the church. The only thing of importance within Christianity is Romans 10:9. "If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." That establishes who is the lord of the church, and from that there's not much room for infighting. I question whether or not the Catholic Church has strayed too far from accepting Romans 10:9. The Pope is not the head of the Church. The Pope does not save from sin. And neither can any Saint or other Christian. And, you can not save yourself from sin through works. Nor are works required to save. (Nor do they aid in salvation.) So long as the Catholic Church dethrones God for a man with a shiny hat and denies the saving power of Christ, how am I supposed to justify calling them Christians? They are no different from pagans. They worship a fancy pantheon of human men and believe that their own deeds are meritorious enough to grant them access to heaven. But I somehow doubt that all Catholics truly believe the theology of the Pope. Romans 10:9 isn't that well hidden, nor is it the only passage that conveys the same meaning (both testaments scream the same thing on repeat... it can get a little annoying, even). It's just a very concise version of it. If the Catholic Church ever decides to accept Romans 10:9, then there really isn't any reason all of the churches can't finally reunite under one banner, which is Christ. If all report to Jesus alone, why are we calling ourselves different names when in so doing we hinder others from finding Christ? Christ's mission is to spread the Gospel and make Disciples not to convolute the Gospel and scare people away with complex history lessons in minutia nobody cares to sit through just to learn that none of it really matters. Yeah, your history lessons are fun for the history nerds, but most people are not history nerds. Myself excluded, apparently.

[@stephenodell9688]

Na, it was united and two fat heads messed it up.

[@lisaloveschuble2359]

mathig nihilcek no basically what we have here are 2 governing bodies that want ultimate authority because of greed and popularity. There’s a god complex within the pope for sure, to have gone along and changed up scriptures or meanings on it own - through its own interpretations, thus leading the masses to astray and allowed to be taken over by a satanic cult doctrine that was originally out of Babylon by these Pharisees Christ pointed out in the first place when they started a belief system. The very secret they keep from people is that they are divine in their own right and like Christ in the flesh. They built a church of stone and Christ god built a temple in us. They keep us in them so we won’t ever know who we are. People will always be looking outside of them self’s for salvation when it’s always been in the temples God gave us. Know thyself and step out of man made madness. It’s part of the beast system these controllers use to keep us captive.

[@Shamballa432]

That's not necessary. Catholics split from orthodoxy because orthodoxy by definition means abiding by the old ways. Then catholics further split into thousands of churches and denominations. So they'd need to come back to the old and true ways in that case.

[@the_boatswain]

Ryan Reeves, I am sorry I haven't found your work before today!

[@SidheKnight]

It's not your fault. It's the almighty KZbin Algorithm.

[@lc-mschristian5717]

Never disappointed! Thank you and God's peace be with you.