Confused Horse Doesn't Trust People

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

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[@Middletonstablesllc]

Updated by owner: 3 weeks ago we saw Ryan. thanks for all the comments: to clarify- this horse has been vetted thoroughly and her tongue checked by a vet and a bit recommended by the vet. She was not treated well by a past owner. She also has successfully worked with kids for 2 years in a kids lesson program. She has helped hundreds of kids learn to ride BEFORE she started acting out about 4 months ago when she was pulled from the program. The video excerpts you saw were a one off situation of us recently restarting her back with trainers and a vets advise and using only our intermediate kids with supervision. She escalated in a 24 Hr period and reared for the very first time at which we instantly brought her to Ryan the next day. She is no longer working with kids and won’t again if the tools and training we are applying do not result in her wanting that job. We are a very safe and knowledgeable barn that puts the welfare of our kids and our horses above all else. Because we care we are willing to talk to the expertS and do what is right and never give up on learning and growing as humans. There’s never a bad horse, just bad humans!!!!! Please realize this. The horse has done a 100% turn around already in 3 weeks and is already responding to Ryan’s amazing Fundamental program, we highly recommend it. We have consistently applied it the last 3 weeks and she is happy and calm and reminds us of the horse we knew four months ago before this began. We will continue to work with our local trainer and with her and have high hopes she will be the horse we know, understanding us and us her!!! Thanks again Ryan!!!!!

[@beffis1980]

You work with horses like my mom. She was a jockey for 30 years but trained her own horses since she was 4 with the help of my trainer papa. I’ve watched her with thousands of horses over the years. I love your thought process and how you are mindful of the horses needs. Baby steps to the bigger picture! Love it love you

[@MiddletonStables-Hunterbean]

Update- 1 year later our beautiful mare is relaxed, happy, and understood better now than ever. She works with beginners now with a much more calm and thoughtful attitude. As someone always a student of learning- the more we learn the more we find we don’t know- this is no different in the horse world. To all the people who have been our barn thru our journey, we KNOW, all of us how amazing these two horses are, and how much we are blessed with them in our lives! Thanks again to Ryan, our local trainer, and all the clients who have had the opportunity to experience these amazing animals here at Middleton Stables!!!

[@kidstuff44555]

Honestly, if I bought a horse who's tongue had been almost severed by a bit, I'd be riding that horse bitless. I'm not a "bits are all bad" person, but that just seems fair to me. Don't put another bit in that poor horse's mouth, how can you expect her to have any good association with it

[@Middletonstablesllc]

So we hadn’t looked at her tongue injury in 2 years since we bought her and apon a second look- it now looks like a healed cut in one side. That being said- we didn’t and haven’t made anything worse- the cut is better - we also had a vet look at it and the type of Tom Thumb we are using - very thick cushioned bit- that doesn’t hit or bother her past injury, and she likes it over many many other bits. I also purchased a bosel and am going to learn the right hands and reins to ride it with her since she’s sensative

[@kidstuff44555]

@@Middletonstablesllc That's all good to hear :) I hope everything works out for you guys and this horse

[@saspinks3001]

@@Middletonstablesllc Bravo to you for being open minded about alternative to bits!

[@lynettedundon1410]

​@@Middletonstablesllcthere's hackamores to try too if those don't work.( And a side pull).

[@Heavens-Humanaterian-Army]

​@@Middletonstablesllcso happy to hear your moveing away from the old ways I wish more people lernt it's about a connection and relationship to therebrain and not reliance on heavy duty hardware. Warick Schiller is the best for learning how to realy have a relationship with your animals.

[@donnac.1609]

Such a nice mare. To be abused and yet be soft in her behavior. The fits she threw were signs of confusion, not meanness! She is certainly worth the effort to school in what hands seat and legs are! Once she understands she will probably be ok for teaching kids....the teacher should be able to see what is happening between horse and student and do the "teaching"....to prevent problems!

[@Middletonstablesllc]

Yes! We are doing just that and have been for 5 Months and thankfully we met Ryan and he is leading us down the right path. Already in past 3 weeks she’s improved tremendously

[@donnac.1609]

@Cherie Middleton Thank you for the update! Congratulations and give yourself a pat on the back!!

[@finngamesknudson1457]

@@Middletonstablesllc- Any further update since last year? I’d guess you’ve pretty much resolved everything by now.

[@MiddletonStables-Hunterbean]

Honestly both my horses are amazing! My mare in the video is extremely sensitive and kind and has come so far that my 13 yr old rider just today won Grand Champion on her in the show! We have applied all the tools and horsemanship and love Ryan asked and our amazing Local Trainer works with us and our horses and kids every week! God is good and answers all prayers and I’m super happy to report that She and my retired eventer are happy and well adjusted !!

[@comesahorseman]

Return to "neutral" before repeating the request. That's a great tip, I'll remember it! 👍

[@flobrowne3970]

and if your horse is getting upset and starting to go into refusal mode, redirect to something they know and are good at. Do that for awhile, then work your way back to where the issue is. That's why these Ray Hunt natural horsemanship methods work so great. It's about task analysis, steps that build on steps. You always have a place to back up to where it was good, and if you reach a spot where you are having difficulty it is most likely because you didn't fully teach a previous step. That is what is meant by "a hole in their training".

[@1jazzyphae]

I'm so grateful for this channel. I've learned so much from you. Hands down the best trainer I've seen. You treat the people and animals with so much kindness and respect.

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Thank you

[@Fireworks_are_Awesome]

Same!!

[@lizarutherford2477]

I can highly recommend the patreon page. It’s awesome. I’ve been a member for over a year. It’s been the best value for money ever. It’s transformed my relationship with my horse.😊

[@marcyking461]

Back in my riding days, I had a wonderful rescue horse that had been abused, who (after six years of bonding and building trust) tuned out to be the envy of the barnyard. It takes a gentle hand and a lot of patience to train a horse properly. It is so much easier to train a foal than to work with an older horse that has had traumatic experiences, but if you can get them past the fear, there are some wonderful horses out there who deserve to be saved (and loved). Ryan's training methods are top notch, no doubt about it.

[@1jazzyphae]

@@ryanrosehorsemanship you're welcome!!!

[@stephaniedavis7033]

she deserves to have a rider that knows how to stay calm n is knowledgeable in soft aides, she is super sweet.

[@Froby2378]

She reminds me of my abused mare. So sensitive, sweet hearted, and willing. She is my jogging buddy now, not sure if she’ll ever be ridable. She was roped around the hocks and stretched out on the ground so they could mount her when she was younger 2-3 years old. She’s now 19 now, I’ve had her for 4 years, everyday I wish I could’ve owned her from those baby years.

[@snickersandkaytie]

"I notice whether or not when she's with me as the herd. This starts our connection.. " Nice! What a lucky horse that she had Ryan to correct her in a way she could meet his request. So simple! Yet so enlightening for both horse and owner.

[@ginnychibbaor4578]

Hope woman has learned something, AND REMEMBERING

[@enj01sk8t3r]

Man what a cool little mare!

[@tamsentempleman1544]

That was a beautiful moment, seeing that sweet mare responding to Ryan's calm way of going, his wonderful ability to understand a well meaning creature's confusion.

[@bridgetbold6867]

Gosh he works just like Steve Young in the UK, what a beautiful animal, such a shiny coat.

[@markmcmeen287]

Awesome video ! You constantly reflect what Ray Hunt used to say, " Horses are a living, breathing, decision making being. Treat them with respect. Remember, you walked into their life .... they didn't walk into yours." Keep up the good work!

[@Middletonstablesllc]

EXACTLY

[@vickykent353]

I love this saying you shared. Thanks

[@Leslie-es5ij]

I was a horse trainer for over forty years, the biggest problem was with horse owners, training them was tougher than the horse.

[@joe-ut9kb]

Same for dog owners also.

[@irenecoermann2439]

What a lovely horse. And a lovely lady going the extra mile to do right by her.

[@Middletonstablesllc]

Thank you for noticing- I love her and have been working very hard to learn to listen to her- this has been a journey for sure of love, respect and patience

[@krisbaker9427]

I hope she begins to understand horses better. Her lack of understanding is the problem.

[@Doktracy]

After 55 years of horsemanship I’ve come to decide that we put too many human feelings into our horses brains rather than trying to think like a horse. Thinking fear,prey animal,pressure,release,trust and rewards are a better way for me to understand horses. Also, horse’s brains don’t connect from one side to another so everything needs to be trained completely on each side. That doesn’t make them “stupid” or “stubborn”,just a new idea altogether when they see or feel something on the other side.

[@Wendy-bd9zu]

She is a horse for one owner, not for horse riding school.

[@Middletonstablesllc]

Could be we are figuring that out

[@ceceliapeterson4648]

Check her eyes. I had a paint like this - beautiful! My horse was a gelding. He started rearing and refusing. He started being scary overnight. I had the vet check him and he was partially blind in one eye. He was a great horse but I had to work with him on a different softer level.

[@evelynwaugh4053]

Vision loss can be subtle, especially when a horse is secure in a familiar setting.

[@Middletonstablesllc]

This is probably the only thing we haven’t done in the past year- great suggestion

[@melanies.6030]

This is interesting, and something I've often wondered about with horses that consistently shy at white lines on pavement for instance, or dark shadows. It seems we take for granted that all horses have good eyesight. Without my glasses, I'd be nervous too!

[@realisticequestrian8229]

Came to the comments to say the same. She hesitated to walk into the shady area with the fly mask on. Ryan walked her without it and she followed willingly!

[@privatemailcall6011]

I've never been a fan of covering the horses eyes. Never have used face masks with eye screens. Research finds Pros & Cons. Some are contradictory. All specify an imperative need for properly measured fit, and all state the importance of a clean & washed mask, fresh daily, and to have a few extra masks on hand, to rotate while washing others. The emphasis on clear vision and unencumbered sight, from behind the eye screens, looking out, does vary accordingly. Most agree about slight variations that do perhaps interrupt or block clear vision path. Others claim using same masks for sun protection. I recall when the fad started. I didn't care for the apparatus nor feel the neec. . I think masks block this & that.. It all depends. Good & perhaps negative too. I feel as though, placing a screen over the eyes, could distort free & clear vision. It reasons. However, ask your Equine Veterinarian. They studied for 16 years. They know the eyes requirements & capabilities. I prefer to use excellent quality repellent made from several natural botanicals & essential oils. My horses are brought inside well before dark. Bathed & sprayed. Fans above. No bugs.

[@cindybrygman4350]

Beautiful horse, she is a very smart horse, a real thinker but I think she is tired of the nagging with inexperienced riders. Once Ryan gave her freedom to think and choose she was very willing. She is well aware what to do and just needs the rider to trust and not hold her so much. Same with when she was led in, the owner assumed she was nervous of the new area and held her closely yet tried to walk her at the same time. Ryan took over, gave lots of space and carried on with no hesitation. Great learning video!

[@kitkakitteh]

It wasn’t the space. It’s that she doesn’t like her owner. The owner probably focuses on the kids, and blames or fusses at the horse when things go ‘not perfectly’.

[@gaywalker2117]

​@@kitkakittehThe owner was uptight and tense. The horse did not trust her as a leader. The mare immediately recognised the Ryan was a trustworthy leader and she relaxed.

[@gaywalker2117]

In my opinion the horse is too sensitive to be used with inexperienced riders. Maybe when she has a bitless bridle, she may do better.

[@wioi]

If the horses tongue is already nearly severed because of horrendous bit usage then why continue to ride it in a bit???

[@badnelly7819]

Such a sweet horse, she's going to have a beautiful life teaching children and making memories.

[@alexlehane1470]

Saving the world one horse a time but changing peoples perspective across the world, Amazing thank you

[@Stephanie-lm7sp]

Wow....thank you Ryan. I'd love for Ryan to do an episode on empathy and non judgemental comments. I know everyone on his channels are experts, so why are you here. As RR states... He has thousands of horses under his belt. His expert as hundreds of thousand hours. Could we all look inside ourselves and give people a break? These people asking Ryan for help are out now to the world. How would you stack up? Me? I'm def an equestrian of 50 years. I'm not perfect and I love my Dressage and Liberty lessons every week. Bless you Ryan and all your clients for being brave enough to live inside barns made of windows. 🙏🐎💜

[@april-tt7dp]

I agree with you 1000%... totally judgy. People will make mistakes, at least she is willing to be humble enough to ask and learn. I am just getting into horses myself for my love of them and there is a huge learning curve but if you love them and want to learn, who is anyone to criticize. Instead of making hateful comments, why not try to support her and give her more advice and encouragement? Good Lord.

[@donaldmontgomery8169]

I have watched a lot of your videos, it appears to me that many horse owners doesn’t know much about training horses.

[@lisashavlik2264]

Great lesson; love the explanation that the horse is just not understanding some things, not that she is becoming mean or defiant.

[@noelmay9]

Given that it is suspected she has suffered abuse in her past, I'm wondering if this horse just isn't a good fit as a lesson horse. Just like people, they have individual personalities. Rehoming her as someone's personal ride or project might be better for her, and for all involved. Something to think about, anyway. They're not all cut out to be lesson ponies!

[@Middletonstablesllc]

This is also something that has been considered. After doing Ryan’s suggestions she may or may not be used anymore in the program. It will be up to her

[@CosmicCookieCraze]

I'd like to see her around kids. I have a horse that was severely abused in his past and does not like people. I would say my mom and I are the only people that he trusts enough to relax while we ride him, but we had to work hard to gain that trust. However despite his past, he LOVES kids. He's scared of an adult holding a water bottle, but a 3 y/o being held by a parent and grabbing at his face is completely fine. He'll leave my presence if I just look at him, but I've seen him fall asleep while he let's a 12 y/o girl pet him. Now I'm curious to see if he could be a lesson horse for a friend's niece and nephew. He's definitely not your typical lesson horse, but he might just have the heart for it

[@Middletonstablesllc]

Honestly these horses come to us from all situations. She was 13 or so when I got her and not much was told to me as they wanted to sell her, then I found out from the ferrier that did her feet for them that she had had this or that done to her. I felt immediately on meeting her she’d been neglected (feet hadn’t been done in almost a year) and I could see in her eyes and her demeanor she didn’t trust😟. I felt my heart leap from my chest and instantly I wanted her loved forever and promised her a home where she’d be cared for the right way. My kids treat her right- are taught to ride with their legs and their bodies , but as was mentioned - kids aren’t confident and it can scare horses. Sometimes she picks kids she can handle and some kids she can’t and I am very involved it what she does and doesn’t do. She has been extremely great for kids with confidence who think they are great riders to learn they still have to grow more in confidence. She didn’t really start objecting seriously to her job until recently - so I’d say try your guy with kids and see what happens just have your radar up. You never know. It might be good for him. Kids can be so gentle and loving. Guidance for them is so important. This allowing my story to be out there and criticized by all 1millin of Ryan’s followers has been difficult for me as I am always willing to learn and listen. But I will not listen to people who just want to put others down when they are seriously looking for good and sound answers. My mare is in good hands. She tells me what she will and won’t do and she is listened to. And I love her and won’t let anyone kid or her be hurt.

[@krisbaker9427]

Quit blaming the horse. The horse is not understood. The owner is a poor horsewoman. Her lack of understanding is the problem.

[@noelmay9]

@@krisbaker9427 Maybe read the entire comment, and others on the thread, before replying. The owner is doing the responsibile thing by seeking expert advice. She also responded that she is observing the horse with students to evaluate whether or not it is a good fit.

[@rhythmandblues_alibi]

2 mins in.. that woman is 100% scared of that horse.

[@flobrowne3970]

Both my man and I have been working in the racehorse industry for 50 yrs. I was introduced to NH methods 20 yrs ago. I started studying and practicing them. Had plenty of horses to practice on. Started getting "problem" horses, and putting them back in winners circle. My man has always been stubborn about learning the methods himself... from me, anyway. I recently caught him watching a Ryan Rose video and he admitted he's been watching them for awhile now. lol He has changed how he now handles a difficult horse. No more manhandling into submission. Too bad he didn't realize this years ago.

[@snickersandkaytie]

"I'm not a great bronc rider at all." 😅 this guy has a good way of saying things

[@horseman9582]

I’m a professional horsebreaker and I’m no great bronc rider either. But I never found one that could buck me off the end of the lead rope! 👍

[@ponygirl5716]

If the mare was doing fine before she started to become a kid’s lesson horse, then you have your answer. -She doesn’t want to be a lesson horse. It’s clear just watching her how much she needs confidence from her people. Kids that are learning have absolutely no confidence. That makes her feel insecure. A kids lesson horse needs to be able to be very self confident. That’s not her. Stop trying to fit a round peg into a square hole. She is telling you the only way she knows how. She doesn’t want to do that job. Don’t make her and ruined a nice horse

[@Middletonstablesllc]

She has my horse and a lesson horse for 2 years and has recently decided she doesn’t want to. Listen to what we said. She has taught over 300 kids to ride safety. This issue is a new issue.

[@ponygirl5716]

@@Middletonstablesllc i’m not saying that I know everything wrong with her and the situation. I am seeing glaring clues Even her facial expressions are telling a story. Yes she is intelligent, but she’s also sensitive. She is trying to tell you something in the only way she can. I do absolutely believe that insecurity is at the root of her issues. In addition, she could also simply be plain old still sick of being a lesson horse. Why force her to keep doing it when she obviously does not like it? That could be the reason why she was sold to you, if I’m understanding the story, it sounds like she was sold to you as a private horse, and then you decided to use her as a lesson horse. Riding stables usually don’t get rid of a good lesson horse that’s working for them. A lesson horse has a very difficult job. Not every horse can do that for its entire life. She is a lovely horse. Find a lesson horse that is duller and more tolerant.

[@marilynbridges8697]

Ponygirl- please so being so rude. You don't know as much as you think you know. Give Cheri some grace. She is doing her best to help her horse.

[@ponygirl5716]

@@marilynbridges8697 this is not being rude. This is just stating an opinion of what I’m seeing from 50 years of horse involvement. She can either consider what I say, or she can say I don’t know what I’m talking about and throw it out. I’m not calling her any names or being mean. I’m just stating my opinion and what I see. people are way too easily offended these days

[@angelatracy7418]

This is such a great video! Many, many good lessons here. I love that your energy alone made a change initially when she was able to just get to where you wanted her to go after the owner was unable to get her there,,,

[@rhythmandblues_alibi]

I mean.. the owner was also holding onto her head and clucking but not actually leading her forward. Horses aren't mind readers 😅

[@martylesnick2032]

WHEN EVER YOUR HORSE WALKS OFF AS YOU MOUNT, YOUR ALREADY IN TROUBLE. BACKING A HORSE TEACHS RESPECT ESPECIALLY BY WAY OF THEIR FEET. NICE JOB RYAN OF HELPING THIS PRETTY LITTLE PAINT FEEL COMFORTABLE. IT TAKES A VERY SPECIAL HORSE TO BE A LESSON HORSE AND STAY KIND WITH ALL THE MISTAKES WE MAKE WHEN WE ARE LEARNING TO RIDE. Susan

[@lisaburroughs7847]

OK.. 100% this video illustrates my biggest peeve with the kids hunter jump industry.. This women is teaching lesson's, referring to herself as a trainer.. When just leading the horse to the round pen she illustrated her total lack of horse handling skills... This is not isolated. I see it everyday as I board at a kids show barn Pay attention parents.. This is who you are paying to teach your kids horsemanship skills.. People who do not possess them themselves..

[@lisaburroughs7847]

To add what she is teaching.. Two kicks and a crop.. Yep typical ribbon chaser hunter jumper trainer... I'm so done with this industry...

[@maireadholohan6579]

That woman is an instructor? That horse is not ready for the drudgery of two kicks and a slap type riding

[@ginnychibbaor4578]

Me too, I feel bad for that sweet mare. If you need money, get a job somewhere other then horses

[@aixpert291]

What a beautiful horse!

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

I think so too!

[@jeannettegiles5869]

Great horsemanship Ryan. Simple steps. Bad/inconsistent riders make horses bad/inconsistent. Your calm demeanor is what she felt the instant you picked up the lead rope. She looks balanced and smooth. This is exactly how I keep my lesson horses light and responsive, something my students learn from the get go. Thank you Ryan Rose Horsemanship

[@Bookit9254]

I was a kid leading a bridled horse when an unexpected noise startled her and she leapt forward. I fell and dropped the reins. She stumbled and while recovering from her stumble, stepped on the reins and the bit cut her tongue badly. The whole thing was over in 10 seconds but she was in a hackamore for the rest of her life. This mare may certainly have been subjected to abuse. I just wanted to point out that it is not always the case.

[@KristynSchlavin]

That was a fantastic video! Your excellent example of leadership for her was great!! So excited for the horse and the humans that love her! ❤

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

😊 thanks

[@Middletonstablesllc]

We are blessed beyond measure to have this amazing man Ryan Rose take the time to show us a better path!!!!

[@freedommeow]

You're an incredible trainer Ryan, thank you so much for sharing this knowledge with so many people! I love your comments at the end, kids these days need experiences like this to help get us back to reality! 🙌👍🏻👍🏻

[@spfisterer3651]

Such a great video, love that the owner sought help instead of selling.

[@marcyking461]

You might want to try a hackamore on this horse, given her tongue situation? I had a horse that detested a bit and would thrash his head for the entire ride. I had his teeth floated, thinking he might have dental issues and I tried different bits to no avail. Then, after I switched to a hackamore, he quit tossing his head about.

[@marilynseal3880]

I have always loved horses but have never had one or even ridden much, but I love watching your videos. I have learned so much about a horse's psychology and mindset. You have a wonderfully gentle approach and your advice to owners is clearly and gently given, so they do not feel criticised.

[@celianewman4809]

It makes me so happy to hear what y’all said about kids and horses. My daughter just turned 5 and she’s been taking lessons for a while now. She just got a horse for her 5th birthday and I love love love how much she loves horses. It makes me feel like I definitely made the right choice for her.

[@audreygregis8721]

After all she's been through, I don't think she should be a lesson horse, unless it's for more competent riders. She is a lovely horse, for the right rider, but not a beginner. With that kind of damage to her tongue, she needs a bosal/hackamore, like Ryan said. If she is ridden English, a lot of English riders using hackamores now.

[@PolyComments]

From the client's (lady's) style of riding - it would take years for her to truly come to understand and implement the necessary changes.

[@Middletonstablesllc]

Not true at all, it’s Been two weeks and she’s already doing amazing

[@itsmrmahin]

I don't trust anyone; I'm not even confused; I'm not even a horse.

[@jackieraulerson2005]

Maybe she just doesn’t like kids. They don’t know what they are doing. She may need to not be a lesson horse.

[@Middletonstablesllc]

DEFINATELY looking into that being an answer

[@samanthaflynn6140]

She needs a confident Leader!!!

[@Middletonstablesllc]

Absolutely- what we are working on and doing much better with already

[@amandaflintoft8764]

Nice job on explaining the headshaking. I think the owner learned alot from you hopefully she will apply it!

[@connie6623]

It's amazing each time we watch your videos. So much to learn about the horse and yourself. What a gift you bring to this community. Thanks Ryan!

[@epona9166]

Ryan I know you can't address everything all at once, but I was mind blown that they are using a Tom Thumb bit on this horse. Those bits are the epitome of sending mixed signals to a horse. And to use one on a horse that has had bad experiences with bits. Yikes!!

[@evelynwaugh4053]

It looks to me like Ryan is riding her with a pelham using 1 rein with a leather bit connector between the snaffle and curb connection points.

[@Middletonstablesllc]

The Tom Thumb is the ONLY bit that she has liked and accepted. With the advice of a very skilled trainer we have tried over 20 different bits. She has a severe cut on her tongue. The other bits get caught in her tongue. She is most happy and the vet said she likes the Tom Thumb best because of this tongue injury. We have the Tom Thumb in with bit connectors and bits are as safe or unsafe as the hands of the rider

[@epona9166]

@@Middletonstablesllc I am not anti-bit and understand about hands. But a TT bit wobbles all over the place - incl in the horse’s mouth - and sends conflicting signals to the horse. A direct pull to the left w the rein attached to the bottom of the shank pushes the purchase into the side of the horse’s head, pushing it to the right. Opposing signals at the same time. Plus jaw pressure plus poll pressure. That’s a lot going on for a horse who has been badly abused in the mouth. Anyway good luck w your mare. She is beautiful and Ryan really liked her. Very encouraging.

[@epona9166]

@@evelynwaugh4053 Thanks I couldn’t tell. Presumably with a solid mouthpiece. That makes more sense w a badly damaged tongue v a Tom Thumb. I don’t understand the point of bit connectors; it seems like they would just result in a dull/ambiguous signal going to the horse. Anyway Tx for the clarification.

[@evelynwaugh4053]

@@epona9166 I have one with a mullen mouth, which I like. I agree, I read both pro and con about them. In theory, it seems possible to use hand position to cue either the snaffle or the curb bit with one rein and a bit connector, but that's conjecture.

[@traviswilliam5453]

Hi. I watched yiur video and generally when I see people working a horse I see a hundred problems with the trainer, not the horse . I think you understand this. I applaud your video. Well done !!

[@2588lucy]

Working with horses made me a better person I believe.

[@Mainecoon_Izzy]

Wonderful video Ryan ⭐️ you really are the master, & a horse whisperer through & through💯 Severely damaged tongue …. Bits are dangerous for the horse if you don’t know what you’re doing 💯 Poor baby💔 Sweet horse, sweet owner ♥️

[@Middletonstablesllc]

Yes, we got her this way, and we’re super sad to find someone had damaged her tongue with brute force. Never should an animal be treated this way for any reason and it stands to reason why she is somewhat weary of humans she doesn’t know

[@Mainecoon_Izzy]

@@Middletonstablesllc Nothing worse than animal abuse in my opinion. We also have a horse who was abused he’s a handful. The great thing is, there are people like you who are willing to give these beautiful creatures, another chance, and truly be their friend and family ♥️ However, I would take Ryan’s advice and use a Bozell👍 I don’t think your horse needs a bit, not at all

[@Middletonstablesllc]

Yes I love her with all my heart and soul and will do anything to make her life happy and sound and it hurts my heart to have people be so judgmental and nasty/. I would have never come to Ryan if I didn’t care about the kids i teach and my precious horses. They both are my life. Thanks for your kind words

[@YIKESMF]

Beautiful horse!❤

[@TheyIsPLURAL-jz4el]

This lady is a dime a dozen, these people have no business instructing children.

[@joanlovelace7338]

Seasoned horse training "fabulous" people skills. Great teaching skills Mr Rose...

[@disturbed_deliberations]

Your good. In Australia we call that a one reign stop. First thing some of us teach kids and the inexperienced and the horse. No offense but the minute the lady first took the lead the horse was in front of her and leading and she was making excuses for the horses refusal.Your very diplomatic and polite. I also always start off with the least amount of pressure to get what you asked for. As you appear to know If you give a horse confidence and time to understand what you are asking of it, it will quickly work with you.

[@red80808]

Thumbs up for the bosal reccomendation

[@Middletonstablesllc]

I did buy a bosel for her and we are working on learning to ride correctly in it and ultimately that is the goal

[@red80808]

@cheriemiddleton6722 I'm so happy to hear that :)

[@dianeschuller]

I hope the 'teacher' listens well to Ryan. She's a sweet mare and, if she were mine, I definitely wouldn't put there through being a school horse. Mostly because they confuse her and the 'teacher' can't identify her signals and the triggers. But, that's me.

[@flobrowne3970]

You can hear in the ladies voice the enthusiasm fading as she starts to realize this is not going to be a quick magical fix, but is going to require actual work on her part. lol I encounter this all the time, and why I stepped back from trying to help people. That's the major problem with most horse issues... people don't want to do the work.. specifically groundwork. That is a very nice horse.

[@stacyrich113]

Of course, kids learning to ride, who don’t know anything, can be confusing to a horse.

[@krisbaker9427]

And the owner. She is not communicating in the horse’s language. She is the smart part of the horse/human partnership and needs to start using her brain.

[@cassandrastone7297]

I’m just discovering your channel and I love your videos. They’re very informative. ❤

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Welcome! Glad you like them!

[@lizarutherford2477]

The patreon page is even better! Can highly recommend.

[@elizabethjones3487]

The owner said she's used as a lesson horse .. perhaps she just # with all the novices pulling tugging kicking and she's as confused as the rider so reacts 🐎

[@mamabear1260]

Much appreciated Ryan. Thank you for sharing.

[@jimcarlisle2309]

Amazing Looker!

[@littlebird8837]

She's a beautiful horse..so glad you got Ryan to help her. 🐴🌟🦢

[@robynmartin2026]

Ryan Rose, you are a brilliant trainer, so well explained!!

[@jordanwhite5470]

Maybe let this horse be a one-person horse with experienced rider; not great for lessons with it's history.

[@abbykoop5363]

This had so much great information in it! Always learning from you. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us!

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

My pleasure!

[@ziggystardust3060]

Excellent training video! For anyone wondering, a Bosal is like a hackamore (bitless bridle). ❤

[@homeandgardendiy6363]

Thank you. I had no clue. 👍

[@cyndifalk]

I love RR's videos even though I don't have a horse! His bite-sized lessons on psychology & behavior modification are applicable across species. I was able to use his idea of pressure and yielding to pressure to train a friend's nervous dog "at liberty" to calm down and sit by me. I was blown away!

[@sharonm8929]

Beautiful horse! Worth the patience!

[@bestofatlconcerts]

9 times out of 10 behavioral problems are typically a result of poor leadership from the horse handler. Most horses won't submit to a person that has not established themselves as the leader on the ground. Even if they start out good, bad habits will creep in over time if you display weak leadership. The horse is not the problem. The problem is YOU. Work on yourself to become the leader your horse is looking for and the behavioral problems will soon disappear.

[@carolinehoward180]

She is absolutely gorgeous 🖤

[@wioi]

I laughed out loud when she said "when you say reset, you mean you just sit there and do nothing" at 14:48 😂😂😂

[@nancychace8619]

Good training video. Though everything you said about encouraging kids to ride is true, I'm not sure this mare is the greatest prospect for teaching kids as she is still learning herself. She did fine in this video with a very experienced rider, but children lacking in knowledge might do something weird that could completely confuse her. Also, the fact she's got a scarred or injured tongue. That might be very sore. Ryan did a masterful job of handling her with a light touch, but that comes with experience and knowledge. An inexperienced youngster might not do so well, and could hurt her mouth. I don't have a horse anymore- used to ride when I was a kid for several years. Miss it. Always interesting to watch someone of knowledge and experience like this. Good horsemanship is getting to be a lost art.

[@hobi-wan-kanobi2016]

Theses videos are making me laugh because yet again its more about training the human than the horse. They love to blame the animal rather than to look at their poor training methods, or lack of understanding their horse and mannerisms. going at the horses pace and not their own agenda, (which would build an even stronger bond if you do it that way) is better ,as opposed to trying to rush them,force them to learn your way ,not understanding their personality, and mannerisms is somehow hard to people to comprehend. lol Great vid, just found your channel and looks like i am gonna subscribe!!

[@Boyland8692]

I love how Ryan says “Naughty” shows how he is a trainer of depth! 🤩🤩👏👏🇦🇺🇦🇺

[@mercedesp1565]

Thank you for the video! As almost always, the "bad" behavior wasn't the horse's fault, with Ryan's expertise, everything went well. Fortunately the lady understood this, as she said at the end.

[@chrisp7548]

Thanks for the video! Calmness and patience go a long way.

[@bobkohl6779]

The horse I'm on was seriously abused. 5 year journey to get her squared away. 4 time state champion 5 time honor roll horse. Best 15 years of my life. Serious note, John Lyons didn't have your finesse.

[@SunHillFarmstead]

Love the moment when the horse decided to go with Ryan without any hesitation, like nothing happened before =) Great video as always! Thank you for sharing!

[@danfields3341]

The huge answer was just getting past the pickup... confidence from the rider is what she's after....

[@Rosebud65]

Ryan, you are the BEST!

[@Froby2378]

YOU are a great trainer. Thank you for sharing all your knowledge and HARD work😊

[@nancyyesko9202]

Toward the end while going counter clockwise at the walk looked slightly sore in front. Lovely mare. Great coaching. Suprised to see them wanting to use a tom thumb with contact. Why not a snaffle or rubber bit if a bosal doesnt work. .

[@shepherds.pie.youtube]

Thanks Ryan!! Please keep making these videos, they were and are a godsend to me.

[@lucymuir9364]

Beautiful paint. Lucky Lady!!!

[@reneekraeplin8943]

I am mesmerized by your videos!!!

[@amygrund3178]

I really needed the reset reminder thanks for the video

[@junegem4548]

You are right Ryan, that horse needs to go bitless.

[@boatman222345]

Heck I don't trust people either and I'm not even a horse!

[@marlene56-143]

It could be because you have never been domesticated ;)

[@debbieherring2644]

Beautiful horse and excellent video. Thank you.

[@CosmicCookieCraze]

I definitely would like to see her lose the bit. I'm not anti-bit, but I definitely think going bitless would be physically and psychologically better for her given her past and her injury. My horse also came from an abusive past and he has a lot of trauma with the bit. He works fine in one, but I can just tell he only does it to protect himself. He works mostly in a bosal. If we need a tune up then I'll put him in a mechanical hackamore so I have more independence on each side to communicate with. But he will never go back into a bit. To me, a mentally sound horse is second only to a physically sound horse. And he can never be mentally sound in a bit

[@Pluviose.Raincheck]

I don't know much about this but I wish they'd show the owner get on it and see what happens.

[@KingsMom831]

Here for it! Great video, thanks Ryan!

[@JohnDoe-qu8ny]

Thanks Ryan 👌 really appreciate your videos ❤

[@HerbMoore3]

Fix: She's not a lesson horse.... done. 🤣

[@hov-hanna]

Yes! Yes! I hear what you say so clear, its like all teacher before you cleared the road for ya!

[@lisaussery1074]

I would have started with teaching her how to properly lead the horse just with the simple way she holds the rope while leading. Pinky should be towards the horse not the thumb. Beautiful horse and great answers in teaching both horse and owner.

[@helenkelley8788]

Good sound advice...so sad that the mare had been so abused that her tongue is a mess...

[@OWK000]

There was a dog in the background kinda doing some nervous alarm barking that might have helped set the horse off.