JavaScript Frameworks - Heading into 2025

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[0:00] Preamble [8:15] Ryan Is (Kinda) Sick of React [19:45] Framework Popularity & Pace of Development Over Time [25:30] Tools Are Complicated, But So Are The Problems [31:00] The Tension Between The Two Extremes [38:45] Meeting in the Middle [48:30] The Role of E-Commerce [56:00] The Future of Remix & TanStack Start [1:07:30] RSC's, Qwik, and The Double Data Problem (The Gap Is Still There) [1:24:15] Implementation Matters (Why No New Frameworks Look Like React) [1:37:00] Marketing (PPR vs. Server Islands) [1:42:45] Necessary Complexity & The Viability of No-Build Solutions [1:48:30] The Benefits of Compiling JavaScript [1:59:30] "It's Just JavaScript!" [2:06:15] React vs. Signals [2:17:15] AI, React, and Devin's Bloated CSR App [2:29:00] Dev Tooling [2:36:15] Looking Forward: Server Second, SPA Mode & Local-First [2:48:00] The State of JS 2024 [3:00:45] Signals: The Gartner Hype Cycle & Appreciating React [3:08:30] Signals: Performance, Composability, & alien-signals [3:13:45] Signals: The TC-39 Spec, HTMX, jQuery, and Standards [3:25:45] Conclusion: "Simple" Solutions & Innovation [3:30:45] Conclusion: Theo Raid & Local-First [3:48:00] Q&A: Solid Learning Resources? Why Make Solid? [3:55:00] Q&A: Stream Resolution? How Signals Work? Split Effects? [4:05:30] Q&A: Async-First Reactivity? Pull-Based Graph? Fallbacks? [4:16:30] Q&A: Colored Functions? Effects? Derivation? Exceptions? [4:32:45] Q&A: Preact Signals Performance Boost? [4:44:45] This Week in JavaScript: Solid News (Solid 2.0, etc.) [4:55:00] TWiJ: Ariakit Solid [4:59:30] TWiJ: Signals & TypeScript [5:10:30] TWiJ: React's ViewTransition Component & Context [5:15:15] TWiJ: "Backend Concepts" & Google Translate

[@Callumkloos]

Happy new year!

[@lucaban]

What timestamp for his tier list that's trending on Twitter ?

[@ryansolid]

@@lucaban it's at the beginning of the stream after this one. "Fine-grained Rendering in Depth"

[@TheSysmat]

Solid 2 road map?

[@TheAlexLichter]

Regarding SPA mode - as you said Nuxt had it from early on👌

[@x-dr6uh]

using react, vite and express at work, lit-html, web component, jsdoc, express, ts-rest on personal projects (no-build). 'unbothered cat meme'