Premade Dice Molds: My Wish Experience

[@cmathews66]

You’ve actually done a service by buying them. We are now informed buyers because we know that these could be a rip-off. Thanks for sharing

[@Rybonator]

Of course! Glad to share what info I have :)

[@Hellmark]

@@Rybonator I had been thinking about buying some to learn with. Now I won't i will just try and learn more about casting silicone, 3d modeling, etc, to 3d print and then make molds from that.

[@ClokworkGremlin]

I'm really, really (really really really) close to having a set of molds available to buy which should do away with most of the concerns in this video, both mechanical and ethical. I've actually been running my resin printer all day preparing to cast the molds themselves. I'll find some way to send Rybonator a demo set once they're ready. Shouldn't be more than a week or two at this point. (depending on how busy my day job keeps me)

[@joebaker1]

@@ClokworkGremlin That sounds really cool. Can't wait to see what you come up with.

[@DarkHero-nn9xr]

Personally I'd have started with the warning but good to hear about letting us know about them being rip offs!

[@BVSchaefer]

About 10 years ago Apple attempted to trademark the lowercase "i" and it was determined that such protection of a stylization was not legally supported. Similarly, the use of a font would not be protected intellectual property.

[@Rybonator]

That doesn't mean that it isn't necessarily a dirty think to take someone else's work and replicate it for your own personal gain. That's why I wanted to pose this as a moral dilema for me, but you are able to make your own informed decisions :)

[@connorfranks120]

That is exactly what that means, they made and produced a generic product. Do you think it is immoral for a company to make an epinephrine pen when Epipen is a thing? they are both generic items.

[@sarahp7201]

Actually, fonts are covered under copy write. Fonts are sold, so if you intend to use a font, you need to purchase it. Typefaces, however, are not. From my understanding, a typeface is what you see, but the font is the software behind the typeface. Basically the font is the exact spacing and thickness of the letters. If the company who made these dice molds purchased the font, then they would have the right to use it. If they didn’t purchase it, but made a program to print it themselves, they can still use it. If they did neither of those, they shouldn’t be using it. It could be a free to use font, but sometimes those are actually stolen fonts. It the people who made the dice molds made it from a set of another persons dice, then they did not purchase or make the font, which would make it wrong to use.

[@connorfranks120]

Sarah, for this not to be a typeface it would have to be cut out or 3-d printed (both would need the font), both are expensive when compared to cast. One would need to prove that in order to clam copyright.

[@mossschuey1679]

@@connorfranks120 you can't be comparing a person's dice design to life saving medicine and thinking you've pulled a real deep thinking check mate.

[@Robertkopp84]

I don't like these 1:1 copycats, but a generic font on a geometric object is not something you can protect. Just ask Wizards if they would come after you for making a D20.

[@AxelLeJeff]

Pretty sure wizards didn't invent or copyright the D20, that shit goes back to ancient greece.

[@lolthien]

The point is this is pretty obviously not just a 'generic' font.

[@sixtysixstyx]

Yea, if it wasn't for him pointing out that they copied the font I would have never even known they were copies at all. The shape itself can only be modified with either sharp or soft edges, and there's basically a limitless number of fonts to use out there. Many of which are pretty indistinguishable from one another. I don't think anyone here would design their own font just to make a set of die.

[@lightyagami77777]

@@lolthien I don't exactly have the most vast collection of dice, so maybe I'm the odd one out, but I can't really tell the difference between that font and the thousands of other similar fonts that I see everywhere else. I honestly have doubts that had he not mentioned it, that even most of the viewers of this video would recognize that it's an exact copy of that font, especially not with real certainty.

[@MintyFarts]

There was an attempt to patent polyhedral dice especially the d20 but having found an ancient example it wasnt possible (if I'm remembering right).. also stylistic choices aren't patentable but I believe you can trademark a consistent icon or representation of your bussiness as seen in the Christian Louboutin lawsuit concerning a luxury brand of shoes with iconic red soles. It was declared a "distinct and recognizable characteristic of the brand". I know someone who does a lot of patent work and legal stuff around if anyone cares enough and wants me to check..

[@lordmalice5243]

I just wanna buy molds to make dice that i can eat

[@Squidbush8563]

I bet a good hard tack candy recipe would work. it would cool to look very similar to resin dice. you just need molds that can handle the high temperature. Chocolate dice would be very cool too!

[@lordmalice5243]

@@Squidbush8563 it would be really eazy actually sugar+ water + corn syrup boiled to hard crack and a syringe-like tool to fill the mold

[@coreyhughes3341]

I wanna make gummy dice

[@krystalz2166]

I've been using these molds with chocolate. The only thing I'm really trying to learn is getting the air bubbles out but over all my candy turns out cute and the people I give them to love them!

[@jasmineplewright135]

COOKIE DICE

[@Verity_Reigns]

I hope when you do 3D print your own dice or experiment with alternate ways of making unique molds you’ll make a video about it. I’m always interested to see different methods of 3D printing and it would be cool to find out how to make gifts without ripping someone else off if you find an alternative that would work for those that don’t have a 3D printer

[@rookidee]

not taking away from what you are saying but i do want to add on for others, check your local library to see if they have a 3d printer! a lot of libraries now have them and if yours don't you can always ask to see if they can get one! it could benefit a lot of people in your community

[@Verity_Reigns]

a dumb bird Good idea, I know my library doesn’t have one because I live in a small town but I should go to the next board meeting and ask. Our local high school has a lot of clubs that would benefit from having access to one.

[@Rybonator]

I absolutely plan on showing how! I'll experiment with ways that don't involve a 3d printer and see what I can do as well, but you can always order prints off of places like shapeways if you really want something printed :)

[@N0E3]

@@Rybonator I'm excited to see what you come up with the 3D printer. I've been experimenting with 3D modeling some dice and printing them out but have been having issues with the printer itself getting some of the sides of the dice uniform. I ended up printing a giant D20 with my brother in law's face for the 20 as a gift for the holidays haha.

[@SurelyLightFoot]

There are also a lot of 3D printing companies out there that you can use to get your models print from. The price is high than if you were to have your own but if you’re planning to cast a lot of dice it’s worth since the printers they use will give a higher quality print than a hobby printer will. You can even do a different material (ie Metal) than plastic if you want to make a robust master that you plan to use many time to make molds out of.

[@mszoomy]

$6 compared to $100, I'll go with Wish. I just got these in the mail yesterday. I have no intention of making them for sell, only for myself and a gift for my niece

[@Rybonator]

That's why I wanted to pose this as a question with my thoughts, rather than a hard and fast, "This is bad. Don't do this." ya know? :) You are free to make your own choice!

[@mszoomy]

@@Rybonator the ones I got from wish aren't bad at all. I've made a few dice and no problems. I did notice that on one of them, the numbers on the lid portion are different from the rest, they're a little bigger.

[@CrazyGoGoVrose]

I agree the official ones are just too overpriced :/ but I'd really like to make my own custom dice, and even buying all the equipment to make a mould is very expensive.

[@mszoomy]

@@CrazyGoGoVrose my thinking is that if you're just making dice for personal use or even a gift then no big deal, you're not making money. But if you were to sell/market the dice you create, then I think it's fair to pay the people who make quality molds. That being said, if I pay for quality, I expect quality same with Wish, when I pay $4 including shipping then I'm aware that I'm getting what I paid for

[@tatsuhirosatou5513]

@@mszoomy honestly even if you are selling the dice you make who cares not only am 100% sure she didn't literally invent that font so it is fair use the font isn't the selling point of her dice its the colors and patterns and even then its a basic pattern and there are only so many colors out there, I mean she makes green metallic swirl dice and I just not allowed to do that now because she makes it too?

[@lynnthomas8457]

Not a professional creator, so this is a legitimate question. How much of dice design can be claimed by the creator? You can't really copyright geometric figures, sharp edges or rounded. Unless the font was made personally, you can't copyright those either. While the circle thing is interesting, it's not a specially made thing, its a standard circle. I get those same proportions on photoshop. So how much of that can be claimed by personal ownership? To me, saying we should *learn* from the molds but not use them because of the "copying" is hypocritical. The creators did something creatively different in adding the notched lids and the pipet holes, different enough I think that it overrides any ethical complaints I might have and makes them distinctive. To use that as a learning objective, but claim that the circle is a theft? I don't understand. Rybonator made those swirly core dice. Granted, he used his own technique, but the end results were incredibly similar. Is he not allowed to sell those when he gets his own molds to work with, just because someone else did it first? That too seems wrong to me. The same goes for coloring. The creative process is to see what it around you and build off of it. So to that end, I don't have a problem with these. But again, I am not a creator, I speak from outside this circle, so I have a different perspective.

[@_Piers_]

Without having a custom logo or something on one of the faces, there really is nothing in these shapes that could be considered an original design. It could be argued that the exact combination of shape and font, could be protected...but with an off the shelf font and conventionally shaped dice, I would hope that would be rejected. The special thing about the Dispel dice is what they're made of, rather than their shape.

[@svens.4694]

I was wondering the same. I mean, probably everyone would center the numbers on each side. And the font looks too generic to be considered outstanding. If anyone was to design a die in CAD, it would probably look like that four out of five times...

[@tohruchan6093]

This sort of copyright thing is actually also a huge debate in fashion, so allow me to bring together two very different interests for the moment. There is something called "degree of change", it allows so many companies to put their logo on such similar items. It is the amount of creative liberty taken when making an item similar to someone else's, that thus makes it legal to sell. (ethical is another argument, I'll elaborate later) Dice will all look very similar, so yes, unless someone made their own font or had a brand logo on one of the sides, it is impossible to copyright it. Unless someone tries to sell an exact copy of copyrighted material,it's legal so long as there is the appropriate degree of change to the product. This does lead to a lot of design stealing from many sides, who all just change it a little and then market that. Ethics will change from person to person, and by situation. Someone would be a lot harsher on a large company for selling a small time seamstress' dress than a small time seamstress selling a recreation of a Chanel gown, because it's easy to tell the seamstress put a lot of time and work into something, andthe large company just got a few underpaid workers in a third world country to make it as fast as they could, as is the basis of fast fashion. However, most do agree that as long as what you sell is your own, handmade and by you, it doesn't really matter where you got the idea from. In this case, if you added your own personal flair, say adding something inside like paper confetti or any of the other fun things this creator has done, you could 100% sell those. And honestly, so long as you didn't market them differently, or the 0 wasn't so jarringly a different font, not many would notice. End of the day, most flaws made in the creation process contribute too and surpass the legal degree of change, and if you yourself worked hard to make something, you yourself should be able to profit a bit, but only as much as one is comfortable

[@Faustvonholle]

In dicemaking as a whole, the possible copyright issue isn't about the shape of a die, but the font. Fonts are protected under copyright, and if you're making and selling something with a font you don't have a commercial license to, you're not paying the font creator, and you're taking intellectual property. Now, assuming that Wish does have a license to the font, there's really no infringement here. There maybe could be if you buy the molds, try to make dice as similar to Dispel Dice as possible, and then sell them as a cheaper alternative. However, if you make your own original dice color or fill or whatever glitter or dye you want to use, even using these molds, I don't think anyone would be able to stop you. The issue would be more like if you're molding something like intricate Q Workshop dice which have a ton of design elements. So tl;dr- the die shape isn't protected, but fonts and other design elements/motifs could be, and unless you try to knockoff Dispel Dice's color/sheen etc with these molds AND then sell them, I think you'd be in the clear.

[@_Piers_]

@@Faustvonholle Wish is just an American company acting as a middleman between you and (mostly) Chinese sellers, they don't take any responsibility for what is sold via them...they do take a larger cut though, so prices are almost always better on AliExpress.

[@becky8150]

Frankly, unless they're literally a recast, I wouldn't have any objections. I'm fairly sure that the typeface Dispel Dice is using isn't one that she made herself, and its not like dice shapes are proprietary. I'd say if they're just a rip off meant to look like her dice, it's fine, but taking a literal cast of one of her dice WOULD be a definite no-no.

[@NoadiArt]

They use the Visby font which is commercially available. That's where there's a huge gray area. Ethically you probably shouldn't sell dice made from these molds. Legally, there's nothing to them that would likely be protected in the design, polyhedrals are standard shapes and it's not a unique font.

[@randomgirll3123]

Noadi's Art Original Creations I agree with you. I think it’s more fun and more of a draw to create unique designs in your fonts and dice anyway

[@scrundler6335]

It's not just the font. The d8's are the exact same shape as dispel dices. They're longer and more narrow than most d8's.

[@RoraighPrice]

the font maker might be able to make a copyright claim and take a % of the profits but thats about it

[@becky8150]

@@RoraighPrice usually the way font licenses work is that you'd buy a commercial copy and be able to use it in any design. Paid fonts aren't for personal use only. Honestly though, I wouldn't guess that a $6 mold from Wish is on the up and up. But on the other hand, if you aren't making the dice to be sold, then who cares?

[@Discostick55]

Are we sure these are somehow cast from/stolen outsourcing molds from Dispell Dice? I love their dice and can't wait for my kickstarter dice to arrive, but I sometimes take issue with the dice community and the blown-out drama over 'stealing designs' when its as simple as some art-deco font choice, or the inclusion of some type of glitter.

[@_Piers_]

Yeah...it's odd what is considered stolen and what isn't as well. All these dice with sharp edges are ostensibly copies of Gamescience's dice, they were the only company making them for something like 30years.

[@jeffwells641]

@@_Piers_ And Gamescience got the idea from the sharp edged craps dice found in casinos. It was never a new idea. Fun fact: Gamescience was completely wrong about the unrounded edges being more random in a tabletop setting. That's only true if the dice are thrown with a force and from a height that are extremely unlikely to occur at a gaming table. Otherwise they don't roll or bounce enough to be random due to the sharp edges. When you play craps at a casino you are required to throw at the far wall above a certain line for the throw to be legal. Unless you are doing something similar with your tabletop games normal, rounded edge dice roll better and so are more random.

[@ninetails6218]

Jeff Wells Frankly, use whatever dice you enjoy the most. The randomization argument only really works when you’re talking about horribly offset opaque dice.

[@Rybonator]

Those are fair points :) That's why I wanted to pose this as a question with my thoughts, rather than a hard and fast, "This is bad. Don't do this." ya know? :)

[@Discostick55]

@@Rybonator Dark Moon Dice has a nice way of solving the problems you described with a little extra reservoir she made. Pretty good! kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnese5Wwopqhmpo

[@partlicloudi7403]

as someone who had this randomly pop up on recommended, I might be looking into dice making now. never knew this really existed, and it seems absolutely fascinating.

[@Kronin87]

Commercially available font, on simple geometric shapes? It's not a unique work of art, nor a proprietary design unless registered as such. Talking about ethics for a thing like that is a little overkill.

[@Rybonator]

Fair enough, that's why I wanted to pose this as a question and my opinions so that you can make your own decisions :)

[@timothychard1149]

I agree, there's really nothing special about it. It's like trying to claim copyright on a word document with an included font. There's nothing special about buying a font licence and slapping it onto shapes that have existed for thousands of years. I get it if there's a level of design put into it, but there isn't.

[@restlessellis]

I'm actually a bit mixed on how I feel about these dice molds. I'm in a number of hobbies where recasts/bootlegs can really damage small 'companies' which are really just one or two folks. And when it comes to dice, if they were making dice and selling them as dispel dice, or ripping off completed designs I'd agree entirely. But the product they've released isn't direct competition. It's not going to stop people buying dispel dice because they can get them somewhere else cheaper. I do think it's bad they're profiting off of someone else's hardwork, but I don't think that person is losing out by their existence? The vast majority of people who are going to buy dispel dice wont also make dice, and those who do make dice aren't likely to see the prospect of making their own as a cheap alternative to buying some premade nice dice. So, like I said, mixed opinion on it. But a very helpful video and I entirely get the moral objections folks have! edit: especially since I know a number of folks who do sell dice made from other premade ones like a chessex set. Not everyone has access to a 3d printer or the ability to make their own new base set. It shouldn't really prevent them from being able to make and sell handmade dice. Of course say chessex is a bigger company, and wouldn't be in competition with someone making unique handmade resin dice. Whereas dispel dice from what I've read is a single person or maybe a few folks and IS advertising its dice as handmade, I believe?

[@Rybonator]

I totally see where you are coming from. I don't know if it directly impacts Dispel Dice's bottom line either, but it's really hard to measure something like that. I hope that it doesn't and that they continue to see growth :)

[@blujay1294]

Yeah, I wanted to make my own dice set, and had actually already had these ordered and on the way when I saw this. I would never even know, much less purchase dispel dice, and at the end of the day, I see these as just, shapes. I feel bad for saying this, but financially, and in my own thoughts, I don't even have to think twice about using them when they arrive. If someone does ask about the molds however, I will absolutely inform them, but it won't stop me using them.

[@GreyMatterShades]

@@blujay1294 I don't think it's much of an issue if someone wants to use these for personal use, or to make gifts. Where it becomes ethically dubious is if/when people try to sell dice made from these molds. Dispel dice use a very unique font, which someone probably put a fair amount of time/effort into designing. For someone else to be able to buy these molds then produce dice that could be virtually indistinguishable from Dispel dice, and sell them (effectively profiting, in part, off of their design work) is shady as hell. It's also potentially wrong for the company who makes these molds to sell them, at least if they're advertising the designs of the mold. However, considering it was a surprise to Rybonator when these arrived, it actually doesn't seem like they're using the designs to advertise the molds, which makes it somewhat less shitty.

[@restlessellis]

@@Rybonator Yeah, it's a complicated situation, and i don't think it's a completely no harm no foul one at all, I think it's really sketchy. And the problem that I can see is if things like this prove popular then we'll see more and more knockoff/bootleg situations like this which could harm creators if it becomes more common and a bigger thing!

[@restlessellis]

@@GreyMatterShades Dispel dice's font isn't uniquely made by them though, I believe that's been a talking point during the discussion of if these were cast from their dice or just made to look similar. The font is a preexisting one that dispeldice themselves purchased to use. With these molds I agree with the issues of using them to create for profit, especially if the sellers do try to use the name dispel to do so, but the many sellers of the molds aren't doing that at the moment, and misrepresentation of finished products would be on the dice maker themselves. But could lead to unnecessary trouble for those who aren't aware of the recast issue being told they're scamming/thieves etc., which is why this video and the discussion is so vital!

[@ShaynaDomina]

To play devil's advocate here for a second, I think there can a difference between just selling molds that are made from someone else's dice and making those molds yourself to created new dice to sell and that difference is all in how transformative the end result is. There are only ever going to be so many ways you customize the actual shape of a cube, but when you make a mold from an ordinary die and then create a candy-filled die from it or something equally creative and different, then I think you've put in enough of your own effort to have made it into something new, different, and ethical to sell.

[@Rybonator]

That could be true! I honestly don't 100% know how I feel about it one way or another. I don't know how legally defensible that would be though haha

[@lordelcorion]

If you go to CrystalCaste.com, they have a banner proclaiming their victory over the makers of Monopoly concerning the use of their 'crystal dice' design. This is a good example of how specific design that is unusual to the norm *can* be copyrighted.

[@stillnotstill]

Typefaces can't be copyrighted but computer software can, which apparently most fonts fit as. Obviously dice are a non-computer product but perhaps if it starts out in a computer it would be protected.

[@DavidClunie]

@@nonamo5700 this is where I think copywrite fails and is an absurd concept. There have been resin dice forever going well back to the plastics revolution. By you standards of just including a color or pattern, etc seems a bit far fetch. Otherwise whoever used pink first in a die would claim copywrite. If you had a special technique to create a pattern I think the technique would be what you could patent but if people derrived the same look another way and could show it was different then it wouldn't tread on that patent. As has been mention shapes can't be copyrighted, just like colors etc. And fonts and typeface too, so even if you got these dice molds to make and sell dice I think you would be in the clear. As long as yer dice don't have one of the patentend shapes on them (some posted to all the dice patents) or used a unpaid font license etc I think it would be fine to sell. I think the "like hive mind" of the community is biased to agree with rybonator so your seeing alot of the same in the echo chamber.

[@DavidClunie]

@@nonamo5700 the only thing I would add however is that prior to the crystals dice back in the day before polyhedrons chits and more importantly "pencil" dice were also used for in place of d6 or d8 as many pencils are either hex or octagon in shape and many of us used those when we didn't regular dice at hand or in school wanted a covert way of rolling 3d6 in class so to some extent the crystal caste crystal did patent are bogus.

[@Alex-rv7dl]

"This issue turned out to be a feature and I liked it" A programmers favorite words

[@space.tel-e-grams]

This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion but here goes: The font Dispel is using is Neutraface which is everywhere these days. I'm not 100% convinced that a company in China bought and waited to receive a $48 set of handmade dice from a Kickstarter and made molds out of them (though it is definitely within the realm of possibility). If that manufacturer had the capability to produce that good of a mold i'm pretty sure they would be able to model a polyhedron in a 3d program and slap a very popular and not at all custom typeface on it to produce a mold from. There's nothing proprietary about the design of Dispel Dice since all the glyphs are from a very popular and commercially available typeface, and there seem to be no visual telltales (from what I can tell from photos) to prove that it was molded from her dice. The "0" is so big on the D10 because that is characteristic of that typeface when the 0 is the same height as the other numerals. I'm not gonna say it wasn't a blatant rip off because we will never know for sure but I don't see an ethical dilemma in using a mold of a design that is derivative in and of itself.

[@ashlynnomalley]

The font on these dice are slightly different from dispel. The 2 is the most noticeable

[@JonMW]

I would not expect that they'd actually make their molds from Dispel dice, but it's still a ripoff of the design work.

[@space.tel-e-grams]

@@JonMW You may be right, but is everyone now barred from using that typeface on the side of a dodecahedron for fear of IP infringement?

[@space.tel-e-grams]

Actually now that I look at it, it seems this usage is forbidden under the standard desktop license for that foundry, making both the original and the copy illegal. Hopefully she contacted them and acquired a custom license. House Industries has been known to be litigious over the use of their typefaces. (if that is indeed the typeface that was used)

[@JonMW]

If I understand the situation, the manufacturer is in China. Therefore, any litigation on this point will go absolutely nowhere, because China is explicitly supportive of their companies ripping off everyone else's ideas for free.

[@musicsaves71590]

On one hand, Wish is notorious for knockoffs and stealing IP. On the other, these particular molds aren't infringing or stealing anything. Having similar or the same font doesn't really seem like a huge deal. It would be one thing if they were making inferior quality items and selling it as dispel dice but this isn't that. I think if you have an issue with that, you should have issues with some of your own content. (Particularly I just one that was how to make your own swirling glitter dice which you say you based off someone else's dice).

[@ninetails6218]

Also using storebought dice as masters for his molds.

[@Rybonator]

My main difference, I would say, is that I never SELL any of the things that I create for profit. Purely for fun and enjoyment, and to educate others. If I were to replicate the dice that I do, and SELL them, then yes that would be a big no-no. The moment you make profit off of someone else's work, then that's where my dilemma comes in :/

[@Rybonator]

My main difference, I would say, is that I never SELL any of the things that I create for profit. Purely for fun and enjoyment, and to educate others. If I were to replicate the dice that I do, and SELL them, then yes that would be a big no-no. The moment you make profit off of someone else's work, then that's where my dilemma comes in :/

[@corgiw7281]

I don't feel you can trust any merchant based in China, just because they have a profound history, collectively, of ripping off non-Chinese creators.

[@Vaasref]

@@Rybonator Well if I were to sell dices with similar colors or pattern than you dice the thing is that I would make them, that is work. You cannot decently think you are entitled to own a given combination of colors, glitter and font, can you ? If it is so simple to copy something, then maybe it should not have any value. I think it is a given that you would understand that the fit and finish of a die is the big part in the making of a good die. So as long as nobody is mislead to think they are buying something they are not, I don't see why I should not be able to make a profit on my craftsmanship.

[@Panaesthesia]

Just to play Devil's Advocate: Dispel Dice probably bought a license to use the font on their products. Maybe the Wish makers did the same as well. Having been in the graphic Tee industry for 15 years, I know the ins and outs of font licensing. You'd be surprised how many companies use the same font banks around the world!

[@GrumpyIan]

The molds are from China so I honestly doubt it. China doesn't really care about copyright laws/licensing around the world.

[@Rybonator]

That's absolutely fair :) That may be EXACTLY what's going on

[@EccoGirl]

a friend of mine bought me a set of these off of Amazon as a surprise, i had been looking into dice molds for a while, comparing buying pre-made ones or making my own and what all goes into that. i wasn't sure how to best use them and I've been looking around for a video covering them for a while so thank you! I agree about how these shouldn't be used for dice you plan to sale, since I've found your channel a few weeks ago i really like the idea of designing and making my own dice! i've been learning a lot here, i appreciate all the hard work you put into this!

[@steveivey645]

I have been trying to find a way to make swirl dice and you have shown me how in this video. I thank you my kind sir. Your videos are forever my guides and inspiration for my dice sets

[@Rybonator]

Thank you for saying that :) I'm glad you found it helpful!

[@uggers660]

You should do "frosted" dice. I have a set where the finish gives it this frosted look and it looks really cool and I'm curious how something like that is made.

[@Rybonator]

I can totally give that a shot :)

[@d.wilson6313]

I wound up with a few sets of these and have had a good time practicing with them. I'm glad you are recommending learning from them! The molds themselves are imperfect, leading me to think they're not deliberate copies but overprint of whatever Dispel needed to make for her outsourcing, given how lax IP rights are in China, but there is something innovative there to learn from and improve on. Thanks for sharing this, I'm still enjoying practicing until they inevitably wear out, but I'm so bummed they had it distribute her dice design.

[@CTMillan]

I also think the molds are not deliberated copies.

[@Rybonator]

I'm glad you found them helpful to learn from at least! I don't know if I have the direct capabilities of making molds like this, but I have certainly learned a lot about conservation of silicone. I am putting FAR too much when making mine haha :)

[@d.wilson6313]

@@Rybonator SAME. I'm going to start prototyping something to have at least a little less waste, hopefully there's a happy medium.

[@lamipurpure7992]

I'd say they're not overprint. Manufacturers are shared for things like molds and whatnot, and it's also not uncommon for Chinese manufacturers to buy molds from makers who have popular molds to copy. This can expand to pretty much anything people make, I have a pin maker friend who is safe from this b.c her shit is a pain in the ass, but things like molds are much easier to manufacture so this happens more often. When I bought them, I figured the molds were ones that were made to hop on the bandwagon of popular resin molds that had been around for a while (which is normal, a lot of homemade mold makers do not outsource molds b.c of this, which can give them a few months to a few years on the manufacturer copies) but this...IS TERRIBLE AAAAAAA D: if they're blatantly ripping off a Kickstarter, they're doing it b.c the Kickstarter did really well. Manufacturers often aren't the ones you're buying from from sites like AliExpress, you're buying from someone who commissioned a manufacturer. This does mean that whoever you're buying from is just buying stock from a factory, and the factory doesn't give a shit what happens to the stock as long as they can sell it off. The factory likely gets paid about the same regardless of if the designer buys the stock, or if a different person buys it tbh, which is likely why this type of thing happens.

[@evieary8433]

I'm thankful you did a video with these molds. I was given some for Christmas and am happy to see how they worked and if I'd need a pressure pot. Also I spent about 20 minutes trying to get the lids on only to find i was putting them on upside-down. My plan is to use them to make a couple of gift sets. If they only last a few sets then I will end up making my own mold with my own designs when they die.

[@TheDeepGaze]

Now that I have had time to go through the video, and not be surprised at my Goblin speed, I agree: Copied dice as products are poor form, though I don't expect that the seller would share the objections. I'd love to be building moulds for all sorts of die, getting a set designed just the way I imagine and learning the techniques in another person's moulds is a great way to improve I am sure you have done so, but I don't recall, it would be nice to see the process in making a custom mould and set. Going from idea to cleaned up product, as a series of videos?

[@lukepaping]

that would be cool, I'm just starting to dip my toe into the hobby and want to avoid faux pas and outright crimes

[@Rybonator]

I have made custom molds before in my vids, check out my sharp edge dice vid! But I plan on showing how to go from a custom dice (3d printed) to molds in feb :)

[@jakubrogacz6829]

Hmm dice are dice up to a point they are all the same.

[@lukepaping]

@@jakubrogacz6829 I looked into it the other day a lot of it comes down to typeface as you can't really claim ownership of a shape, but there may be some other issues around rounding(or not) of corners and the like

[@jakubrogacz6829]

@@lukepaping and typeface is hard to patent too

[@alexandriamwp]

I never comment on anything but I absolutely need to tell you how much you've saved me from so much frustration with these videos especially this one! You are a life saver and the ultimate dice maker!!!!! Forever subscribed lol

[@darrenellerton9219]

Ethically this is very bad! On a side note to fix the void problem when pressure casting. Try a short length of drinking straw in the fill hole, this would create enough backup resin? But if the product is ethically bad, not worth the effort but worth bearing in mind for future projects. Good to see you have morals!!! Love the channel; keep those videos coming 👍👌

[@Rybonator]

That would probably work! Great idea Darren :) But as you said, might be more work than desired for a product I don't really want to continue to use :/

[@MintyFarts]

Well you/an ethical manufacturer or designer might be able to modify an existing set with improvements like a reservoir made of the same silicone shaped like a tiny funnel so filling would be easier and there would be a minimal blemish to fix after.

[@jsd4574]

Playing devil's advocate here - Is it? What is copyrightable about the design? The shapes of the dice are pretty standardised so there's not much you can do there, and whilst copying fonts is bad, it's hardly the most unique font to begin with. Yes the dice are broadly similar, but they're always going to be, it's a standardised product

[@MintyFarts]

@@jsd4574 it's not a copyright claim legally. It would be trademark. Aside from what legal, it's an ethical consideration of feeding off of other people's work in a capitalistic environment where they would suffer harms as a small artist trying to make a living. This type of derivative work wouldnt be a concern otherwise. If they were a giant corporation or we lived in a society where you didnt have to worry about being homeless and starving for trying to do something new or providing services and products deemed "non productive" such as art, it may be considered more acceptable.

[@ninetails6218]

Katie Hay It’s not a trademark either. The dice lack a logo or an identifiable shape. There is nothing here that can actually differ them from other dice-makers, especially as they don’t own the font in question, only a commercial license. As for suffering damages that is dubious as best. There is no “market usurpation”, because these dice molds (while similar) fill a different market niche and are not branded as Dispel dice molds. They do not readily harm Dispel in any way so to say it’s an ethical argument is, well put simply asinine. Especially as the most common “master” for round and sharp edged dice are Chessex and Gamescience, respectively. The argument that they’re “big evil companies who don’t deserve protections because we’re little and they’re big” is not only legally wrong but a flawed emotional argument. Does it suck when an artist has their art stolen? Yes, but that’s not what’s happening here. It’s just a similar font Dispel has no legal right to beyond commercial use being used by another company to sell generic dice molds that lack any sort of branding pointing themselves as a Dispel replacement. It’s a minor infraction brought together by hypocrites to normalize their ethically dubious behavior as just because it happened to “a big corporation” instead of a “small artist trying to make a living”.

[@MTNrhyno]

I really appreciate you going into this! I love your videos and it’s inspired me to try and make my own (for personal use) dice! I love the fact you went into the moral issues with buying ones built off the hard work of someone else - and why that isn’t okay. But you did it in a constructive way to explain why you posted the video and solutions to make your own moulds if you do want to make dice for profit. Altogether I think was an amazing video! Also the blue and gold is gorgeous!

[@Rybonator]

I'm really glad you liked the video :) I was iffy about posting it because I mean... who am I to talk about right and wrong over someone else haha. But I'm glad you like it :)

[@DinoJoworge]

the little goblin warms my heart everytime i see them T.T

[@Rybonator]

I'm glad you like him :D He sure is a cutie

[@jonjack3012]

I'm so glad I've seen this now, I've just got into the hobby and used these molds twice, and each time I've had terrible bubbles. You've got me motivated to make my own master molds.

[@Statutum]

Cut a straw into small reservoir pieces that can sit over the fill holes like chimneys. Also buffing wheel with compounds for finish, using the wire cutters is so coarse

[@Rybonator]

I tried a buffing wheel, but it always deforms my dice :(

[@Mrefintechnical]

Congrats on almost 80k. That's amazing!!! Thank you for what you do!!! I've been wanting to make my own dice for a while now!!!

[@Rybonator]

Thank you! :) I'm super excited about it. Over 90k now! Best of luck on your dice creation :)

[@rbryngelson]

Looking forward to seeing how to make unique molds!

[@Rybonator]

Check in Feb :)

[@harleye1235]

Thank you for this video. I was gifted these moulds and I'm super excited to start my learning process

[@garnetgray6724]

I’ve seen several different opinion about these molds. Sophie and Toffee have claimed that these are also knock offs of their dice molds. The company that made these mold claimed they were working with a dice marker to design these molds. They might be (like many of us in the crafting community have encountered) vendors who make a product for you personally and then reproduce it and sell it to the public. I know several mold makers had custom molds made for personal use or sale in their shops only to have the china manufacturer sell it as well. This does not excuse the fact that they appear to be an exact copy of someone’s product. I’m not part of the dice community but I am part of the mold and resin craft community and we have seen this type of thing a lot recently.

[@ClokworkGremlin]

Isn't a knockoff usually worse than the original? From what I can tell, these are strictly better from a usability standpoint.

[@lordelcorion]

Knock off isn't *always* worse, just usually worse. That's why fashion knock offs are so prevalent, often the only way to tell the difference is by looking at tiny details that the average customer won't ever think about, like the very specific stitching style that certain purse makers use.

[@RobRuckus65]

China only follows Chinese copyright law so they ignore international copyrights completely. That is why you see so many counterfeit products coming out of China. Also why it is never a great idea to use china to manufacturer anything unless you are 1 a citizen of china or 2 have your business stationed in China so you can actually apply for a Chinese copyright. Unless you are willing to have your design be reproduced with dubious quality and possibly passed off as your original product with nothing you can do to stop them.

[@JohnYoo39]

If you ask China for any kind of OEM, you can expect them to keep all drawings, specs and knowhow, and undercut you once you do the hard work of marketing the product and creating demand (for them).

[@Rybonator]

Ahh that's no bueno :/ I hope they use their own designs moving forward!

[@Anjy93]

You got the dice without knowing. Rather than just beat yourself up, you not only made use of them as a learning tool for dice molds, but made them a PSA and informed people about the problem with the product. I'd say, great decision. Good to see you taking advantage of your position to inform people in every way you can and improve the quality of not just the dice, but the community.

[@Rybonator]

Thank you :) I'm glad that it came off as a positive experience for you!

[@Foxgemini]

I bought these (However I bought prior to learning about Dispel), the Sophie and Toffee molds, House of Resin molds, and I have some of my own custom made molds between all of these it's given me ideas and thoughts on how to make a great squish and/or sprew mold when my silicone arrives :) but dont plan to sell any from anything molds unless they're my molds made from masters

[@vickymoreno3977]

What were the best ones?

[@Rybonator]

Glad you found them all helpful in learning what you like the best :)

[@Shortash12]

Thank you for informing us about these dice molds, as someone who wants to make dice in the future a lot of your videos learning processes for me. I think that taking notes from the wish molds are helpful in creating better molds, just as long as the community understands that it’s for creating something better and more authentic.

[@Rybonator]

^ Agreed :) Glad you enjoyed!

[@Penguinian]

While I see your point of view, as a student without a stable income, I’m going to take a $9 mold over a $100 mold any day. In the end it’s business, and if a seller can provide the same product for an astronomically cheaper price, then people will buy it. I also appreciate their improvements upon the mold design.

[@wabschall]

I just found this tutorial, and I found exact looking molds on Amazon. I appreciate your work my dude!

[@doitsumania660]

I think you have a point. I would love to get into dice making and have actually bought dice I liked and have repainted the numbers to better fit what I was doing. I have looked into all the materials and I have dice that I wouldn’t mind making molds from, and right now it is too rich for my blood. It is not a cheap hobby that is for sure.

[@GreyMatterShades]

It isn't so bad to get into, honestly. I bought Sorta Clear Silicone for around $60CDN and a decent amount of resin for around $25CDN. All you need beyond that are the dice to make molds, some dollar store cups and stir sticks, and whatever you want to put in your resin (edit: and some sandpapers/polishing materials for cleanup). Pressure pots and vacuum chambers are optional (though helpful, especially pressure pots). I've just gotten started and have gotten decent results without a pressure pot, with the exception of one issue stemming from how I made my molds. That being said, you can easily drop a bunch of money buying extra stuff (ask me how I know ;P); but if you have a specific idea for the dice you want to make, you could probably make a bunch of sets and get it done for under $100CDN (roughly $75 USD).

[@Rybonator]

You can probably get started at a base level for around $60. I show the basic components in a newer video :)

[@Ferkiller97]

i don't know how i got here, but im glad i got here, you sir, are an awesome dice maker, this is so awesome to watch! muy bien hecho !

[@Rybonator]

Gracias! I'm glad you like what I do :)

[@DnDandVideoGames]

I've been thinking about making my own dice and dice molds honestly. I don't have a 3D printer or anything, but I was going to make them out of wood, and cast them. If it doesn't turn out well due to small pieces, I was going to make bigger wood dice, and shrink the molds with paint thinner and see how that turns out. Keep up the good work and good on you for exposing these people

[@Rybonator]

If you plan on selling, making your own like you describe is the way to go. If you don't try using other's dice just to practice with and make yourself some sets at home :) I'd love to use some of the mineral spirits to shrink/grow molds sometime!

[@DnDandVideoGames]

@@Rybonator Sounds like a video idea!

[@ClokworkGremlin]

Honestly if you're thinking of carving them out of wood, you ought to try just the wooden dice themselves. Might have a lot of novelty to them.

[@DnDandVideoGames]

@@ClokworkGremlin why not both? :P

[@ClokworkGremlin]

Now you're cooking.

[@ConnorSinclairCavin]

Tips for making your own dice (and what i am currently doing for my own attempt to enter the dice world a bit) is as follows: 1. Take your dice and use wax (temporary if you like the grooves to be on your dice) to smooth the sides over, completely fill all voids, then use a sheet of wax paper or a metal/glass pan to polish and buff any excess flat. 1.1: You can instead use clear acrylic or nail polish to fill the voids, this has an added bonus of protecting your number paint and making the numbers pop a bit more, but is permanent 1.2: if you want to and have round edged dice you can dip the entire dice in wax, then after letting it harden you can cut the excess from the faces while leaving the edges in order to make sharp dice. 2: Take said altered dice and use it to cast a silicone mold 3: Use resultant mold to make a wax blank 4: Take the blank and map the surfaces on paper as best as you can 5: Take that map and overlay it with a triangular grid (isometric grid paper is a good option if available)(square grid can work, but is much harder to align and account for aside from for the D6, for the D6 i would recommend a square grid) 6: Draw in your own symbols, art, and the like, use the grid to make sure that all sides have the same number of sections filled in, or at least that the opposing sides are balanced 7: take said illustration and a carving tool of choice that has a defined depth of cutting (i would advise you to keep it shallow or risk having holes/missing notches) and cut all sections out. 8: make a new silicone mold of the now completed custom dice.

[@Rybonator]

I have never thought of using wax to fill the voids in a 3d printed dice, but that might work as well :)

[@ConnorSinclairCavin]

Rybonator yeah, i based it off an old method they used to use for making blank key patterns from an older key that was broken or had no matching lock.

[@CosmicDuskWolf]

I think as long as your not selling them, there fine. I was actually looking at buying a set of these molds to make dice myself. This was actually a great review for that.

[@Rybonator]

It's a great way to practice your making :)

[@CosmicDuskWolf]

@@Rybonator Thanks for the tip :)

[@starwyvern010]

I feel a lot better having watched this. My first dice mold was one of these and I thought I was doing something wrong that resulted in me always having a void where the hole is.

[@christopherbasell2740]

It's weird that your video pops up a couple hours after me looking at geek smarter shopping which is a re-Shell of wish saw those exact same molds and was contemplating getting those but I don't like when people try to get money off of others sweat and tears thank you for the vid can't wait for the next one

[@Rybonator]

We'll call it a happy coincidence :)

[@nicolelavigne1700]

I think it’s great that you got these and made this video because you’re able to test them, show how they work for people who are interested, and discovered that they were rip offs of someone else’s dice design. I wouldn’t have figured that out and I’m sure many other people wouldn’t either. I have the Sophie and Toffee molds, I have also considered getting these. I am not making dice to sell. I’m very new to this and only getting into it for my own crafting fun and maybe gifts for friends. I think for me these premade molds give me a chance to play with the craft a little bit and sort of try it out before getting into making my own molds. If you’re only making them for yourself it’s not so bad, but these companies are still profiting off someone else’s work by making and selling the molds, so that’s not cool. I was already subscribed to the S&T box when they came up in there. I won’t buy these aliexpress molds now even though I am making for myself only.

[@Rybonator]

I think that's a good call :) I S&T make some great molds for UV resin, and are a great way to get started, as are these, but S&T has less of a no-no when it comes to the design haha :)

[@ehdollet9641]

I'm honestly curious how a dice design can be ripped off, I have never played DnD but I assume every d4,6,12,20 and whatever else has to be made to a specific size to keep things fair. In my eyes, the only thing you could copy is the font, and personally, I don't see anything special about the font that has been used, honestly looks like some super basic, easy to read font.

[@marcellava]

There is a large board gaming community on my campus, I had seen these molds on wish and I wanted to get into resin making, yes my intent was to sell dice sets to my peers. However! I hadn’t gone an bought the molds because of separate reason but I still had the intent to eventually, I’m so glad you came out with this video because not only could I see the quality of the molds but now I know that they are a plagiarized design. Thanks to this I have decided to scrap my idea and thanks to your valued information you have just saved me from regretting a purchase (I still bought resin molds tho but they’re just spheres, no designs, just plain round spheres for trinkets)

[@Rybonator]

Glad I can help you make an informed decision :) I hope you enjoy the resin creation process even with your sphere molds!

[@SpitfiretheCat16]

....How do you make your own dice without copying if you don't have access to a 3d printer?

[@kristalburns3490]

I am thinking polymer clays would be the way to go. But then you have a few other issues that can develop. Not impossible but not so easy either.

[@StampedingTurtle]

You can outsource the 3D printing to a company like Shapeways or a local 3D printer to make dice. Biggest thing is if you plan on selling you either need to make sure you're using a free font, or if you're using a copyright font, make sure to get the license to sell it.

[@ellaminns]

How can you make dice without copying if you don't have never before seen colours or inclusions... Where does it end lol

[@Rybonator]

The comments below got you covered too :)

[@AriRashkae]

Like you, I ordered a set of these in December and they arrived before I saw your video. I had fully intended from the start to use these as "practice" molds to see if I wanted to get into serious dicemaking, and seeing this only reinforces my plans to ultimately make my own masters & molds if I continue. That said, thank you for giving them a fair review on quality, so I can be assured as to which problems I may run into are from the tools, and which from the user XD

[@Rybonator]

Of course! I'm glad you found the review helpful :)

[@EddVCR]

You’ve done everybody a big service by raising awareness about unethical bootleggers. I had no idea that such bad practice was going on with dice molds.

[@Rybonator]

Just wanting to inform and educate so that people can choose what they are buying with as much info as possible :)

[@ChrisJohnsonCJs-Kitchen]

I can't thank you enough for this video! I bought a set of almost identical molds (but without the size issue) on Amazon and they arrived yesterday. I made my first set last night using UV resin. I found that lid situation very frustrating - it was hard to fill them full enough and then they inevitably had the worst bubbles on the surface against the lid. Thanks to having watched pretty much all of your dice videos, I did have the foresight to order pipettes, but they were really crappy ones so they didn't work great and contributed to the addition of even more bubbles. Now I'm having trouble cleaning them up so they look pretty, like yours - but that's more because I don't have all the sanding & buffing tools yet. Anyway, the whole experience was overall fun and I am still proud of and excited about the set I made, but I know a couple things already from this first experience. 1) I definitely want to make my own spru molds - I can now see why they are preferred. 2) I need to try a different resin and live with a longer cure time 3) I may have to cave and invest in a pressure pot since I really don't care for the bubbles. One question for you - what are your thoughts on alcohol inks for dice making? I've seen quite a few videos of other types of resin projects and love the effects, but I'm not sure it would work well for dice. Have you experimented with them?

[@Amsayy]

Chris Johnson try putting some resin on the lid before putting it on. That should hopefully help with some bubbling The Petri dish affect with dice likely won’t work, since you need a large amount of resin in order for it to cure properly. Small amounts of resin won’t hold the large amounts of alcohol dye that you need to get the petri effect. It’ll just end up gummy and gross and probably ruin your mold. I learned this the hard way trying to do some small test pendants with that effect.

[@ChrisJohnsonCJs-Kitchen]

@@Amsayy Thank you for the reply and the advice!

[@Rybonator]

Best of luck with your future crafting :) I totally use alcohol inks for dying my resin :) I actually prefer them to a lot of other dyes!

[@ArthronOfFir3]

Since you mentioned 3d printing dice to mold and cast them from, think it's a good idea to make 100 12mm sharp edges dice from a 3d printed design? Also, why don't you have a discord server?

[@Rybonator]

I plan to drop a discord server in Feb :) Just no time currently. Hey why not give it a shot? Don't know till we try :)

[@brandonogden3498]

If there were any print lines visible, I'm pretty sure you could sand them smooth... It seems valid though, and creating them in 3d modeling software seems like it'd be pretty straightforward.

[@Capt1ve7]

@@brandonogden3498 There would be minimal layer lines on resin 3D printed dice, but when you had them made you would either want to sand them down or make a mold of them, sand down the first offs and then make a mold of the sanded ones so that every batch is smooth.

[@ClokworkGremlin]

I will be sure to join your Discord server whenever you put it up. For the OP question: Do you mean a single D100 or a pair of D10s? If you mean D100, I would personally advise against it for a number of reasons. 3D printing isn't good for making the dice directly, the resin isn't very durable and definitely won't stand up to regular use. Hectahedrons (100-sided polyhedrons) are tricky to model, 100 faces would be *extremely* tedious to glyph (trust me, i've glyphed three polyhedral sets in the last week), and if you're planning to make a mold, there are all sorts of issues you're going to run into for casting and de-molding. From a usability standpoint as well, D100s aren't called "golf balls" for nothing. If you're talking just a regular pair of D10 and D%, that's not particularly difficult, and some, like myself, may even call the experience fun.

[@kirajones1650]

A very good message behind it. You’ve informed the community, and hopefully inspired a few to try their own hand at making molds! I’d say it was a good video to put up.

[@Rybonator]

I'm glad you liked it :)

[@MadMeeper]

I ordered 5 sets from the Dispel Dice KS and as a backer I'm really glad you talked about these ripoff molds! It not only informs people that they may be inadvertently purchasing a ripoff but also gives a sort of shoutout to Dispel Dice :]

[@Rybonator]

Dispel deserves a shout, they make a quality product :)

[@wd5739]

THANK YOU FOR THIS! My husband plays d&d & starting yesterday ive been on the hunt for dice molds. Ive never bought from wish but ive heard bad AND good things, thanks for making this itll help a lot in my decision making

[@fluffykitty6349]

Ive been waiting for some one to review these, thank you xo

[@Rybonator]

Perfect timing then :)

[@detro225]

Dude, your vids are amazing. Never stop what you do.

[@Rybonator]

Haha thank you Detro :) It's much appreciated. I'll keep making if you keep watching!

[@PuppyPrincess]

So, i dont have my own 3d printer and i dont have the knowledge on how to make my own dice and what programs to use. Can you make some tutorials or link some or something?

[@Rybonator]

I plan to :) It should be in one of my next few vids

[@eliot9435]

I found similar molds on amazon. I wanted to get a start on dice making with resin, but I know little to nothing about it. I'm glad you made this video. I'll have to look into making my own design with a 3d printer then make a mold out of that!

[@Rybonator]

That's a great way to make sure that you will have 0 legal/ethical problems down the line :) I'll be showing my process on that int he next few weeks.

[@kiraqify]

If you wanted you might be able to layer silicone on the outside of the mold to strengthen them and avoid ripping. Also, I think it's a bit weird to be able to patent a dice mold. I dont think it's wrong. Just seems weird to patent a shape y'know

[@Deadlykittendice]

It's not the shape, it's the font that has the patent

[@kiraqify]

@@Deadlykittendice Ahh that makes sense. Even still its probably not something I'd do, but I completely understand why someone who makes a living off of it would

[@Rybonator]

Melirassa has it down below :) As well, you MIGHT be able to make that happen, but it could also be really hard to get them out of the molds then haha :)

[@ScorchieCritter]

@@Deadlykittendice I was reading some interesting debate on that. If the typeface that was used was actually the same, or if it only something similar. Nobody in the conversation had both to compare side-by-side to know for sure, but one mentioned they knew that Dispel was using a free-to-use font and if that's true, and they didn't design and patent the typeface, there is much to be done. But I know nothing about law, it was just something I read.

[@rachelkrasinski8380]

I appreciate that you decided to post this video because I almost bought these molds and I would’ve had no clue that they are a rip off

[@Rybonator]

Glad it was informative then :)

[@joelmacha2104]

Can you even copyright a geometric shape? Was the font custom?

[@Rybonator]

You can't copyright the shape, but can a font. IDK if this one is copyrighted or not, but I just wanted to pose the question out there :)

[@TwiztedFey]

I bought them used them without a pressure pot and still had the issue with the voids. Even tried created a reservoir using glue to make a dam and waiting until the resin got to a taffy like consistency before putting the lids on. They were great to practice with.

[@Deepfriedsoldier]

Honestly, though I am against ripoffs and copies in general. Numbered dice are not one of those things I feel fit that. I mean, Its literally a geometric shape with numbers on. Fonts are iffy but in honesty even those are difficult to put any kind of copyright on as there are hundreds upon hundreds of fonts and some of those look almost exactly the same as others. If you want to morally object to a copy then feel bad for the font creators that NEVER get any credit for their work not the person that stuck a number on a cube.

[@capuchinosofia4771]

Same

[@Rybonator]

That's a really fair point :)

[@silverluck9711]

I’m glad you made this video! It kinda shines a light on the fact that even though they are just dice the designs can still be stolen. Im an artist and learning the difference between copying and inspiration is an important thing to learn. Copying is ok as long as it’s only used for practice and you tell people that it’s a copy from a different work. (And credit the original artist if you can find them) inspiration however is maybe taking an idea or smaller thing from a work. If something is inspired by something else you shouldn’t be able to immediately tell that they have a connection unless you put them side by side. The fact that you immediately thought they looked like another dice set is a good indicator that they were copied and not just inspired by it. Even if they made their own design it shouldn’t be so close that you immediately think that it’s a copy of a different dice set. Sorry if that makes no sense :/

[@Rybonator]

No that totally makes sense. I didn't want to just say, NO, DON'T USE THIS. But to pose it as a conversation for people to have :)

[@pinguin4898]

I'm gonna be the devil's advocate and say that it's possible that they just used the same font as complete coincidece but then again, the design on the bigger dice is different from the small dice

[@Rybonator]

^ Absolutely it is! But I'd love for them/Dispel to come out and say that :)

[@EmissaryofWind]

I got a set of these molds (including the weird ones that have letters and the D24), I actually ran into the same problem of the lack of reservoir without using a pressure pot. I also ended up with a D4 where a huge bubble took out the entire corner, it was surprisingly hard to get the bubbles out because I could massage the bubbles around but the resin would always form bubbles again, as the void formed pulled resin in it also pulled in the air just above the surface of the extra resin pooling over it, since the resin would flow too far and spread too thin instead of making a nice glob like yours. The very best dice I pulled out of the set were the ones with the small void under the sprue. Overall I might use the large D20 mold for some singles since the larger molds seem to use a generic font, but I'm still looking for the right mold design to make sets.

[@Rybonator]

You can always go the route of DIY molds :)

[@EmissaryofWind]

@@Rybonator I'm doing that, I just haven't found the right system for me, all the molds I've produced have issues in some way

[@michellemartinez3087]

I found dice mold similar to those on amazon that i wanted use with uv

[@Rybonator]

Probably House Of Molds design, they are pretty good!

[@ChrisJohnsonCJs-Kitchen]

I did order some. They arrived yesterday and I made my first set with UV resin last night. I already want to make my own molds after using them, but they will be good for learning as stated in the video. Get my techniques figured out first.

[@michellemartinez3087]

@@ChrisJohnsonCJs-Kitchen thank you. For the advice. I never made anything with resin before so if its good to learn than i might get them so i can learn

[@ChrisJohnsonCJs-Kitchen]

@@michellemartinez3087 I hadn't until yesterday either. I'm having fun so far!

[@erickrause6443]

I've been a subscriber for a bit, but I had never heard of dispel dice. Now I'm more informed. Thank you for that.

[@ChrisJohnsonCJs-Kitchen]

Me either.

[@Rybonator]

Glad to inform where I can :)

[@dorkvania7212]

Are there copy-right free molds or dice for molding? I get respecting copyright, but communities thrive when they have some Creative Commons materials to work with.

[@lutati707]

I think you could look at 3d printed dice, and see if a person is okay with you using their custom design for commercial purposes. Im not quite sure, but it's a start

[@GreyMatterShades]

I think there are some public domain fonts out there, so if you were to create a custom master using those fonts, you'd probably be in the clear? I don't know enough about how public domain stuff works when it comes to making money...

[@chumon1992]

@@GreyMatterShades wait...are you telling me that dice fonts are copyrighted? Unless it's like a font devised by someone from scratch I dont see how that could legally be a thing...

[@---we1ok]

@@GreyMatterShades A font can be owned and/or licensed, and a wordmark (like a logo) can include a specific font usage. It's possible a dice maker could try and copyright a particular usage of a font, but I think they'd have a hard time unless they also owned the font or symbol set themselves. In this particular case, I don't think Dispel Dice owns the font they used on their dice, so it would be a hard case to make. Typefaces also have some special copyright issues. In the US the letterforms themselves can't be copyrighted, only the font name, or the computer code used to distribute them. One of the reasons there are so many font clones out there. Of course, what is legal and what is ethical are two very different questions.

[@kerricaine]

i really don't think anything about dice would stand up to copyright. a company or person can't claim to own basic geometric shapes, and as long as the typeface isn't something special like say, the star wars font or something, then legally i think you'd be in the clear...

[@TaggedByTim]

I bought a resin printer with the idea of making custom dice molds myself, however I haven't figured out how to do that yet. So I would love a video on you making your own dice molds. That way we could do it as well and you could sell some dice which also let's us support you.

[@Rybonator]

Working on that, check back in Feb :) I'll show you how to make it happen!

[@TaggedByTim]

@@Rybonator you're the best!

[@dwain194]

I'm so glad you posted this, I was looking at getting some, but not at the cost of someone's design. I'll just have to look for something else

[@Rybonator]

Creating your own is the ideal way to go, but there are some decent premade ones on Etsy out there :) Just check to see which dice they used

[@nostalgiaplayers6375]

I'm happy that you made this video and informed us that the Wish dice can be rip-offs. When I am making dice, I tend to sand them down to a point where its a little hard to see the numbers, and then go over them with my own hand writing using an engraving tool. I unfortunately don't have a 3D Printer, so I find this way to be a little helpful with making them a bit more custom. Your videos are helping me learn more about different sets of dice shapes, and which to at least avoid. It would be awesome to see a 3D printing video on dice in the future.

[@Rybonator]

I am working on the 3d printing vid now :)

[@cdiers26]

the font on a mold doesnt really sound like it even could be a rip off, like how tf do you rip off a regular generic font?!

[@9r7g5h]

I would love it if you could do a video on making custom dice! Also, how do you clean your supplies after using them? Specifically the pipettes. It would be super helpful to see. Thank you for these videos! I'm just getting started on playing with resin because of your videos, and I cant wait to learn more!

[@Rybonator]

Working on the custom vid :) I get 250 pipettes for $4, so I just toss them after using :/ Glad you enjoy :) Thanks for sticking around!

[@elle-iza]

Okay, Rybonator, please help me out here: Someone selling dice molds, that are, even for someone with your level of expertise and semi-professional equipment, somewhat challenging to use for making immaculate dice at home. And that's, according to you, not okay, because the dice used to create those molds probably have been (inspired by) popular dice, so it's a kind of art theft / copycat thing. Yes? But that the creator of the Dispel dice has been "inspired" by already existing dice herself, OR the fact that you've used materials / ingredients, which resulted in similar designs as the Dispel dice OR the fact that you've bought dice, created own silicone molds and taught us, your fellow dice goblins, how to do so, is okay? I'm a really big fan and follower of your channel, but, man, you've got me confused here. I don't support art theft, people should be creative themselves and always give credit when their work is inspired by someone else, and I really don't mean to pee on your leg here, but this doesn't make much sense to me.

[@MGoya]

Good point.

[@Rybonator]

I would say that the difference is creating for profit. I have held off on selling my dice, or even giving them away, until I have purchased my own designs and had them printed to the sake of selling them/giving them away. Every dice that I make in this channel stays with me. I don't ever sell dice. I might when I get my own custom ones, but since I don't have my own, I don't. Now, in MY opinion, these fall under a morally grey area, as if they are replications, they stole from someone else's work AND used it to make a profit. I, and everyone else, would care less if they were replicated just for the sake of replication and experimentation, the moral quandary I have comes from the selling of the dice designs and passing it off as their own. I hope that makes sense?

[@odinxylith]

@@Rybonator Rybonator I'm sorry to say this; but you putting out videos of the process of making your own dice from molds of existing dice, for profit or personal, falls into your own moral dilemma. You are in fact teaching people how to subvert the process and make their own dice from others work. So, in essence, unless you plan on taking down all you dice making videos, you have done what you are claiming is wrong to do. I'm sure you profit from your videos or are trying too. Same could be said for people making dice vaults or dice boxes or trays or DM screens that are square or round or have lids or flocking or leather bottoms. They all look very similar to others work and individuals are making them for fun and for profit. Heck, look at all the dice bags you can buy and they are all similar to one another. I don't see the difference in these molds to what you teach and showcase. I hope that this doesn't come off as an attack, that's not what I'm trying to do with my comment. I like your content you do good work. It's just a thought I had while reading your replies. Food for thought anyways.

[@JaneAudron]

I say you’ve done good uploading this and informing people. I literally just ordered a set of these from Etsy a week ago and definitely am displeased by this as I was looking to have more molds help out with my dice order demands. Hopefully Dispel dice can get this under control in some fashion. At least I can learn from these molds and reserve these as gift dice to my friends lol. Have plans on making a two part style squish mold when I buy more silicon. And designing my own dice. Look forward to you 3D printed escapades when they come!

[@Rybonator]

It's always best to learn and improve :) You have the best attitude about it! I am working on the 3d printing side of things now, so look for that in a week or 2!

[@Reac2]

"Copycats" are necessary on every market. They keep the products in check price and quality wise. Why buy an overpriced product when the copy cat is the exact same quality wise, but a lot cheaper? There is no reason. Without competition from copycats prices would increase multiples beyond production cost and production cost would never be optimized. There is some moral deficit on the consumer side ,if its actually purely stolen designs and intellectual property, but if that doesnt exist ,there will be rampant moral deficit on the production side of the original product as they wont invest into optimizing production and production cost and into bringing affordable prices, theyll overcharge for products for low quality products. Companies are way more susceptible to indulging in those moral deficits as they generally more care about profit than ethics. This is how the free market self regulates. TL;DR: If a copycat can do it on the same level of quality and price than you ,you should optimize.

[@Rybonator]

That's why I wanted to pose it as a question rather than a direct "Don't do this. This is bad." Ya know? :)

[@whatshappening708]

I'm debating making a set of dice for the first time, but don't know where to begin in finding supplies (I prefer in person purchases) but I've been watching a lot of your videos and am excited about the idea of doing so

[@goldenknife3835]

I was about to purchase these dice molds because they seemed cheap and Easy. So glad I didn’t.

[@Rybonator]

Make your own and reap both the new dice, and the pride of having done so :)

[@AkiraDFun]

I wanted to buy some of these just to try but they looked so much like Disple Dice dice and I was afraid it was a ripoff so I did not buy them! Glad you reviewed them and talkt a little bit about it!

[@salem7798]

Aside from art theft, There's also moral issues with supporting the brand Wish itself. Most if not all of its products are inethically sourced and use underpaid labor to make products as cheap as possible, and supporting them supports the avenues they use to create their products.

[@Rybonator]

^ That's a fair point. I hadn't even thought about that :)

[@lauragrant7442]

So, seeing your reviews of other molds is really interesting. What I would really be interested in seeing is you creating and reviewing different kinds of molds (squish molds, open side, etc).

[@Rybonator]

I do plan on doing that! Just wanting to get a collection of them first to show variety :)

[@Cosmicmembersolutions]

Mmm dice making on a budget? Like different budget levels. $20 then 50 then 100 then just if you have money to burn.

[@Rybonator]

I plan on trying to show a different levels vid sometime :)

[@GreyMatterShades]

I'd also love to see a video on the different budget levels, as I'm sure Rybonator could provide a bunch of insight/tips that I'd find useful. I'm just getting started making dice myself, but here's my best estimate at what you could accomplish at different budget levels: From what I've seen, cheapest would be buying some of these molds (ethically dubious), and a small amount of resin, then adding food colouring and maybe some glitter. You'd also need some miscellaneous supplies (cups, stir sticks) and sandpapers for finishing the sides of the dice that are affected by mold lines or the sprue. I don't know if you could get all this for under $20, but probably for $30-$40. This isn't including safety material. A decent mask would likely be $30-$40 minimum on its own, but you might have one or know someone who has one (make sure it's rated for fumes). Nitrile gloves and eye protection are also highly recommended, but again, these are things that some people already have. Stepping up from that, you'd make your own molds, which means buying silicone and having a dice set to duplicate. You could also get into some more expensive or specific inclusions (metal leaf, alcohol inks, pigment powders, more specific glitter like in the bard dice video, plants/flowers like in the druid dice video, etc.). Your price would vary based on what you decide to get, and how much/what type of silicone you buy (you don't need too much when you're getting started). The step up from that would be investing in a pressure pot and air compressor, at which point you're spending a few hundred dollars, but air bubbles become less of a concern. Hope this helps! I've just gotten into making dice (I'm at step 2), and I've already spent hundreds... though that's mostly to do with a lack of willpower and an infinite ability to say "that would look cool in dice!" ;P @Rybonator: Love your videos. They've been hugely helpful in getting started with this hobby.

[@jingizu149]

Well said. The whole point of the ever growing maker community is to make our own things, not steal and monetize other people's work. I applaud your examination of the ethical quandary and agree that these are something to stay away from. That said, there are two quick and easy ways to fix the pour spout issue, one temporary and one permanent, though both are potentially messy. For a temporary fix, you can build a reservoir by making a dam out of sulfur-free clay around the pour hole, giving you the extra resin capacity to pressure cast without voids. The permanent solution is to do the same thing with a heavy body silicone, using a rod or straw to block the hole until dry. Needless to say, both are too much work for a product that is ethically questionable. Personally I prefer making two part molds, where I can more precisely control my parting line, but that is an added step that not everyone wants to spend time on. As always, thanks for a great video and bringing the ethical considerations to light.

[@Rybonator]

Thank you for your thoughts and tips :) I might have to try the clay dam!

[@ColieBear18]

Oh man I'm so disappointed someone tried to RIP off dispeldice's design. They're so talented and amazing and clearly made a splash in the community. Still disappointing

[@Rybonator]

Sad day :/

[@xyzxyz4643]

"And I like using it cause... It's cheap." Dude, that is a mood I connect with

[@applegoblinjeans]

When you make your custom dice you can have the mascot be the number 1 on each dice.

[@Rybonator]

Woah woah, why wouldn't he be the 20/6/12 etc. He is the best :D Also He might be too detailed to go that small :(

[@ChrisJohnsonCJs-Kitchen]

@@Rybonator I think he should be the 20! Love that little guy.

[@applegoblinjeans]

@@Rybonator that's fair. Maybe something that resembles the mascot or just R for your channel name.

[@Atomic_Roboto]

So I just got into dice making, I bought these/similar molds from Etsy, (which I also saw similar molds on Amazon). This video has been super informative, seeing the same bubbling problem I’ve been getting and knowing it’s not just something I’m doing wrong but also especially when it comes down to the morality behind them. I did notice a few similarities to the molds fonts and Dispel’s fonts but I honestly thought it was coincidence guess I never thought to put two and two together and see these as possible rip off.

[@drowsypoppy]

Unfortunately, drop shippers also sell these items on Etsy as crafting components.

[@Rybonator]

No worries, you can use these to practice and improve yourself in the hobby :)

[@OjamaIndigo]

Wish is infamous for being scummy and a big scam. Does anyone know where I can find good dice molds without the scummy business practices?

[@oOoOBabydollOoOo]

X naM ageM Reversed people on etsy sell handmade dice molds quite frequently, they’re rather pricey but about the same if you were to make your own i suppose

[@tympestbooks1727]

There are a lot of Etsy sellers who make dice molds. That might be a good place to start.

[@kiral.600]

Sophie and Toffee have a few sets that are awesome and not ripped off from anyone. Apparently this company also ripped off a version of their design.

[@Amsayy]

Kira L. Nah, they’re pretty shit molds in the end. They’re terrible for resin fusing to them. I used their premium for silicone molds UV resin, their lamp, their dyes, have been working with resin for a few years and after three dice, resin now is fused to pretty much every one. My d20 came damaged and they insisted it would be fine. The openings rip like you wouldn’t believe on the sharp edge molds, and they’re expensive as all hell. When I asked about this, they told me it was my fault and basically to suck it up.

[@Rybonator]

Check out House of Molds :)

[@markshireman3306]

Had another thought - what do you think about using lo-temp hot glue to attach a short length of plastic drinking straw around the opening? That might give you enough of a reservoir to compensate for the shrinkage using the pressure pot, and it should be fairly easy to detach afterward without damaging the silicone...

[@Rybonator]

I wonder if the glue would stick to the silicone or not. BUT if it does, then BOOM, you have a great idea my friend :)

[@markshireman3306]

@@Rybonator I'm *hoping* that it sticks JUST enough that if you're careful, it will hold. :)

[@notyou6674]

dispel is making so much goddamn money and still charges so much, if you want ripoffs to not be bought then make it smarter to buy your product instead either with major quality improvements or competitive pricing. if what some crappy chinese knock off company is doing anywhere near your level of work for fractions of the price then you are the problem for charging so much. dispel i think is morally questionable themselves if they charge like 10 bucks a die and only selling in sets despite making a kickstarter that made 2.4 million. besides, its a font and a shape you can't and shouldn't be able to copyright something that simple.

[@Rybonator]

You mostly can't copyright a die shape. It's about the fonts. AND you CAN and should be able to copyright font Designs. I don't KNOW if they have a copyright or not, but this IS a copy of it. Now, whether you agree with dispel or not is something else entirely, and should probably be it's own discussion. I was mostly just focused on these molds :)

[@chadcrowley7627]

Again a perfectly informative video I learn more and more from you with every video! Thx

[@Rybonator]

Thank you for that :) I'm glad you like what I do!

[@chadcrowley7627]

@@Rybonator Dude your awesome I started making dice because of your videos I play Magic the Gathering and dice is a big part of it and I thought it would be awesome to have personal made dice I just completed my first clear 20 sided it's a bit rough but I'll get better so thank you for your videos!

[@maryannedellasalla8698]

Unless you are making your own font or designing a new shape of dice, I don't know that anyone can claim the form (is what you get in a mold) as theirs. The dice shapes have been used for years, and there are only a finite set of free use fonts that look good or work well for resin casting. If the form is what we count - and not the end product - then soon a couple hundred people have snapped up all the good looks and then what? I recognize the amount of time and energy it takes to come up with a design and molds, but this is a newer hobby. By saying everyone has to design, 3D print Masters, make molds and then create the end product before they can sell it, you are making a huge barrier to entry. And where is the curated list of who does what look? If someone did all that work only to find someone else they've never heard of picked that font first and they are suddenly branded as ripping them off, what do they do? They are out hundreds of dollars. You don't want to start off a fledgeling hobby by creating rifts by branding something as a moral high ground. People who design digital media use the same fonts and colors and forms as each other, but the end product is what is theirs. It's the same here. Not a devil's advocate - just my opinions.

[@tympestbooks1727]

The issue here is that the molds are or seem to be recasts from a specific small business dice maker. Most hobby molds are made from preexisting dice designs, usually Chessex because they're supper common, and no one has an issue with those because no one is going to hurt Chessex by using their dice to make molds. A small creator, especially one who is doing something as expensive as hand poured dice as a business gets hurt much more easily though, so that's where the moral question comes up. As a hobby, I would argue that using molds made from preexisting dice isn't a moral issue. But I would also argue that if you know that they were made from the dice a small time business makes, especially a business as small as a single person, you should look for other molds before buying. Dice making being a fledgling hobby, you support other dice makers and try to avoid giving money to the folks who would take advantage of them. Maybe instead of buying this set you go on etsy and buy molds from someone there. Or you wait for a company like Sophi and Toffee to have a sale and buy their molds. Things like that.

[@maryannedellasalla8698]

@@tympestbooks1727 but there's no way to ever realistically know if someone is working from a mold that would hurt a small time dicer or not. And when you are speaking about morals, you can't make the distinction between chessex and a small time person. Rybonator's opinion is highly regarded and the internet crowd loves to find something to get out their pitchforks over. Some poor person who makes and uses these molds without ever hearing of dispel is going to suddenly be told that they are immoral and ripping someone off. Maybe if dispel's product was molds I'd agree but their products are dice.

[@tympestbooks1727]

@@maryannedellasalla8698 That's why, for me, it's a thing of if you know or suspect that a mold has been made from a small timer's dice you should avoid it. There's no reason to blame someone for ignorance, but if you can avoid something like this why not do so? I disagree here. Chessex is comparatively huge, hobby dice makers aren't going to be able to hurt them or their profits even if they start selling the dice they make. A one person operation like Dispel apparently is though, they aren't going to have nearly as much ability to keep going if folks start using molds created from their stuff and selling them. For me, it's about limiting the harm you might do to someone else and, again for me, a big company isn't a person that you can hurt. Your last point here feels very like a separate issue. Rybonator is respected in the dice making community, true enough, and a lot of folks do listen to his opinions. But, again and certainly more than a little idealistically, I don't think we should be going after someone for their ignorance. If people dog pile someone over them using these molds not knowing about Dispel or that these seem to be ripping them off, then the moral wrongness there is on the people choosing to go after the person who was ignorant of the situation. We'd all be a lot better off if internet conversations could be conversations instead of devolving into a bunch of folks attacking each other, but it happens and all we can do is attempt to minimize the harm we ourselves do to others.

[@ellaminns]

@@tympestbooks1727 how much money did Dispel raise from the kickstarter? Not sure you can class them as a small timer like you would someone who is selling four a month from an etsy store... Would this ethics convo even have come up if they were rounded edge molds? Probably not. There are loads of people adding the same style of inclusions as Dispel to their own dice... are they also ethically wrong? This is a very slippery slope.

[@tympestbooks1727]

@@ellaminns I disagree with basing if they're small time or not on how successfully funded the Kickstarter was. This is still one or an handful of people hand pouring the dice and working on fulfilments for the Kickstarter is going to get in the way of them making sets for regular sale. That could easily come back and bite them. The person selling four sets a month on Etsy is inarguably small time, but they also don't have thousands of sets that they already need to make. The conversation probably wouldn't have come up if the molds just had the sharp edges or just had the very similar font. If they'd been round edged with the font or sharp edged with a different font then people would have been more likely to figure it for a coincidence. It's the combination of both that makes it iffy for folks. As to the inclusions, you're right, a lot of other dice makers have similar ones in their dice. But it isn't like they're copying some special shaped inclusion that Dispel was using and it isn't like Dispel went into the Kickstarter with a bunch of unique inclusions that a bunch of other dice makers are now copying. So, it's hard to make that comparable to Wish selling knock off molds that are so similar to the ones Dispel must use.

[@booklover569]

I'm glad you decided to talk about this. Dispel Dice has some amazing designs and it sucks that someone is potentially making money off of her hard work. I mad my own molds following your videos and it's been great, I've had a lot of fun. If I ever plan on selling dice though, which I may not I think it's fun just making them for friends, but if I do I'm gonna get a custom set of masters made.

[@Rybonator]

That's exactly the right attitude to have! I'd love to see what you create sometime Emily :)

[@kymarah]

Make some creatures holding them as desplay dice.

[@Rybonator]

That would be cool :)

[@ripersub]

I too have a set of these got them a just over a year ago or maybe a little more. Obviously well before i found you channel. I never planned on selling in the first place was just a hobby for myself and friends RPG. After watching a few of your videos and then finally finding this one, for a small patch to use in a pressure pot what about hot gluing a short piece of a straw to the opening to try and give it more reservoir space so that in the pressure pot it can pull excess to fill a void. Just a thought to get more usable full dice. I won't be buying another set so if they fail then so be it but was just thinking while watching this why not give it a go and see what the outcome would be.

[@olivesantos1840]

Imagine thinking that someone "owns" a certain dice font and layout Copying is not stealing

[@Rybonator]

I mean, people do that. GameScience dice have a copyright on their design and style for truly mathematically accurate dice. Also, copying CAN in fact be stealing. You wouldn't be able to Mold and recreate a Pikachu or G.I. Joe and resell them as your own designs, that would be illegal and in fact, a form of theft. That being said, MOST dice do NOT have a design copyright, patent etc. It just becomes a "Dick move" to take another designers work and pass it off as your own. But, if it's not illegal, you are free to do what you want. Whether that makes it ethically acceptable is up to each individual.

[@doclinny]

it kinda is tho

[@dutchik5107]

@@Rybonator you can patent mathematics? The mathematically accuracy started with plato..

[@LouFriend]

@@Rybonator so in your opinion any video that shows you how to make certain dice "other people's art" like some of your vidies do or people showing you how to make secret wood inspired jewellery or all those resin tables out there on ista... that's stealing? I can pretty much promise you anything that you've done with resin has already been done before. A comic font is nothing new and like I've said in other comments my boyfriend has dice he got nearly 15 years ago with the same front as these molds. So in your opinion she's the thief of art then? Don't get me wrong thought your video was boss but the end bit really grinds my gears like it did with a lot of people. Art theft is a real thing but this ant it honey

[@sarahkittle]

I’m glad I found this video! I was thinking about buying them bc they’re very cheap and I want to get into dice making but now I’ll figure something else out