S&E The Worst of 1987

siskelandebert....

[@Nathan-gd7xq]

1987: a time when Leonard Part 6 was the worst thing Bill Cosby had ever done.

[@captaincaveman2040]

I always knew something was wrong with that pig. Leonard part 6 was when I realized it!!

[@yuothineyesasian]

I still think Ghost Dad was his greatest crime...

[@JohnSmith-kz8yo]

@@rosselliswilkinson leonard part 6 raped my mind..lol

[@crashburn3292]

You beat me to it. Mine: "Leonard Part 6 didn't test well among female audiences. They said it was a real snoozer." Bu dump bump tsss.

[@Launchpad05]

Still waiting for The Nostalgia Critic, or The Cinema Snob to review this movie.

[@jjbeerj]

"Bill Cosby seems like he's in slow-motion throughout the movie". Must've got the drinks switched.

[@Very_Stupid]

Outrageously funny comment.

[@ronbusby3335]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kinglord7707]

Not funny now Cosby is out in Jail and acquitted of all charges

[@zombiedodge1426]

The thing is, there are a *lot* of scenes in this movie which might have worked with a different director and editors and especially with a different star. But the pacing is all wrong, and for an alleged comedy genius, Bill Cosby's comic timing is absolutely *atrocious* in this film.

[@KMarik]

I miss these guys. I used to watch their show every Sunday.👍

[@markphillips5067]

Cosby did Leonard Part 6 because it was sure to put audiences to sleep.

[@Blaqjaqshellaq]

Dare to be tasteless!

[@sha11235]

So he could then rape them?

[@garycobiak5926]

@@sha11235 there ya go!

[@pts5217]

Hahahahahahahaha

[@JohnSmith-kz8yo]

rimshot

[@lionelraoul]

I still miss watching this show so much.

[@prezidenttrump5171]

It must suck when you're so low IQ you can't come up with your own opinions. You have to listen to these two long dead old men.

[@mitchspurlock3626]

I'm sure somebody could recreate it with AI voices and thoughtful writing

[@TruDis01]

Try _Half in the Bag._ It's the closest thing to it.

[@lionelraoul]

@@TruDis01 Yeah, I'm a big fan of Mike and the gang.

[@BarryHart-xo1oy]

I know what you mean.

[@mmmfloorpie]

Funniest line is when Ebert says "drumroll please, but imaginary drums because this movie isn't good enough for real drums"

[@titusmccarthy]

Ebert should've pulled up his shirt and slapped his belly.

[@Xayjohns]

@@titusmccarthy Oh man lol. That sounds like a jab from Gene.

[@cherylhulting1301]

😅😅 I miss Roger. He could be savage. I suspect S and E were always competing for the quotable line.

[@crystalshaw8744]

Yes!! Lmbo

[@sirlordsoul]

Saw this when it originally aired and it's as great as I remembered. Gene Siskel's line at 6:09 cracked me up then and cracks me up now: "Oh yes, the old groin joke. Boy I'm tired of that." Miss both of these guys.

[@bkatbamna]

If they thought Hollywood had run out of ideas 32 years ago I can't imagine what they would have thought of movies now.

[@kamuelalee]

Shutdown Hollywood...the 1980s were the last great decade of movie making.

[@THX11458]

No doubt.

[@nobodyfromnowwhere7510]

They would have killed themselves during Transformers 5.

[@eliminatorjr]

hollywood ran out of ideas in the first few years. there will always be shitty movies that aren't creative and there will always be great and innovative movies.

[@eliminatorjr]

Degree7 ok dummy

[@gabrielgray]

winter of 88 my school was on lockdown due to a blizzard so back then we would go in the gym and the whole school would watch a movie... the one we got was Leonard 6... we didnt even come close to finishing it, my principal turned it off just after the killer trout scene and called it the biggest piece of crap he ever saw and put on back to the future instead.

[@sha11235]

Guess the dumbass principal didn't think, "Hey, Back to the Future is a great film. I'll bet most of the students in my school have seen it, but still it's worth watching again." I'm talking about him putting on that classic first.

[@jorgezarco9269]

Beverly Hills Cop II had some slick action scenes.

[@alramone1]

the beauty of S & E is that they came from newspapers so their ideas for TV were original and different

[@Shorty_Lickens]

well, no. Ebert tried to make it in Hollywood and failed horribly. He wrote a script for one of those Russ Meyer boob pics and thats all he ever did.

[@saxongreen78]

We tried to sit through "Leonard Part 6" on video back in the '80s...10 minutes in - [EJECT]

[@zipgow]

I had a similar experience with Ishtar. I heard it was underrated, but I didn't see it.

[@southpakrules]

10 minutes? You're a hero!

[@markdemell3717]

Eject in to the trash can.

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

No doubt.

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

@@zipgow I never saw Ishtar. I feel good about that now.

[@derkcast620]

this is the reason KZbin was invented. Thanks for posting!

[@DuncanUdaho67]

Nah Janet Jackson’s boob the reason KZbin was invented

[@HereAfterBilliards]

LOL! The Secret Of My Success is one of my favorites!!

[@marybozinta8749]

One of my favorites too. I met Brantley's mom from the movie after a Broadway show and all I wanted to talk about was The Secret of my Success.

[@HereAfterBilliards]

@@marybozinta8749 😂😂👍

[@MrAitraining]

Secret of my success is an 80's guilty pleasure for me. When it's on, I'll still watch it :)

[@natureandphysics403]

I love how savage these guys are: "movies are stupid, but do they have to be THIS stupid?"

[@CoIoneIPanic]

Savage or honest?

[@sha11235]

That's what's entertaining about them. They had to waste their time seeing all this garbage and they wonder why did they have to in the first place? Why were these films given green lights? At least now they no longer watch garbage films in heaven.

[@markelijio6012]

@@CoIoneIPanic Well, we'll preferred honest for others.

[@philiphatfield5666]

You'll have to admit that these are bad movies!

[@markelijio6012]

I’ll take it from there, that’s all.

[@Aquariusfllndw]

I miss them so much. 😪😪😪

[@yaywhewclips242]

yea I wish there was a review show like this, but I think we can't find 2 reviewers that R that good.

[@whizwart1]

The closest I've come is Filmspotting on NPR. They get a little to into themsleves, but they will actually have an argument about films sometimes rather than just agreeing.

[@sha11235]

@@yaywhewclips242 Thing is you need people who can work together and really care about the movies they review. They didn't cry wolf about them and what they talked about was wrong with the industry, like the ratings system.

[@ryananon779]

I don't. They insulted Over the Top. Cunts.

[@FungusMossGnosis]

@@ryananon779 OVER THE TOP was a cornball embarrassment... you're calling critics of the movie "cunts" shows the maturity level of its fans.

[@Slavik07]

It was also a year of some great action movies: Lethal Weapon, Predator, Robocop, The Running Man, The Living Daylights, The Untouchables.

[@s.ormgamalson6489]

Thanks for giving props to the living daylights

[@stevemccart9109]

did you really say "Running Man?!"

[@fotinid6638]

@@stevemccart9109 running man was AWESOME!!!!!!

[@jadezee6316]

@@fotinid6638 did you go with mommy or the baby sitter?

[@HelgaV57]

Robin Stiff Love those movies too except Lost Boys.

[@Charliecomet82]

I remembered liking "Secret of My Success;" it didn't aim very high, but it hit the mark and was an hour and a half of good dumb fun.

[@CaptainSpalding72]

Its not. Fox's aunt wants to fuck him. Yeesh.

[@chrisoakley5830]

I liked it as well.

[@mikem.3308]

It's a guilty pleasure of mine. Not a great one but a fun mindless watch

[@ScootyPuffSr7]

It used to be on TV all of the time. I liked it when I was a kid. Towards the end of At the Movies they had the categories: See It, Skip It, Rent It. That's one I'd give a "Rent It" to . . .

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

Exactly. I'm not going to tell you that it's up there with Lawrence of Arabia but it wasn't bad.

[@RandyHawkeye]

I think Gene may have had a couple of stiff drinks to prepare for this episode. He's genuinely angry about these godawful movies, needs to get it off his chest, and I love it. You can disagree with either or both of them about this or that particular film, but Siskel and Ebert were always sincere and they were always on our side. Miss them both.

[@robertslydell6990]

Have you ever seen when Gene goes off on Roger for giving thumbs up to the dreadful flick Cop and 1/2? The movie began and ended Henry Winkler's career as a film director, it was that bad. It's epic and it's awesome.

[@RandyHawkeye]

@@robertslydell6990 I think I did! Another part of their greatness was their willingness to go after each other when they disagreed.

[@ThirdwingLTD]

Thanks for the observation, after reading this comment I watched the rest on .75 speed and it was even more entertaining, especially the two wallets bit!

[@jackburton2680]

Its no carnosaur, that's for aure

[@skepsys]

the opening music of the tv shows like this in the 80s was so optimistic...

[@haroonabassi1821]

"a fragile thing like humor was just beaten out of the script" what a savage

[@PJVids83]

10:30 Siskel: "Oh, they're so clever in Hollywood, next thing you know they're gonna make a movie about two guys who trade wallets and decide to change identities." Gene practically gave Hollywood Pictures the idea for Taking Care of Business, the Charles Grodin and Jim Belushi comedy.

[@sha11235]

Which they didn't review on the show, but reviewed separately and both liked.

[@dan4894]

FUN FACT: The actress who played Michael J. Fox's secretary later was the voice of Mrs. Wolowitz in the Big Bang Theory. Carol Ann Susi.

[@F40PH-2CAT]

Thought it sounded familiar

[@jackburton2680]

That show is trash

[@georgeehret3480]

I can only imagine what they would've said about The Emoji Movie.....

[@mmsiphonevinyls1027]

George Ehret basically what Ebert said about North, x100

[@joelkendrick965]

Or Sausage Party

[@futuremovieactor]

joel kendrick Sausage Party was good though, The Emoji Movie was not.

[@JJJJJVVVVVLLLLL]

futuremovieactor don’t kid yourself, both equally mediocre.

[@ReverendBenzo]

Or The Room! lol hold my beer

[@robertslydell6990]

I demand these two guys be brought back to life and explain why "Who's That Girl" is not on the list.

[@sha11235]

I think they didn't see it.

[@littlekingtrashmouth9219]

@@sha11235 I recall ebert writing a review of it

[@sha11235]

@@littlekingtrashmouth9219 That doesn't mean they saw it on their show.

[@littlekingtrashmouth9219]

@@sha11235 true.

[@sandal_thong8631]

I don't think even Madonna considers that one of her good movies.

[@Brandon-rq3ys]

Man, I would just LOVE to see these guys reviewing movies from today. Wow. I can only imagine what they would say about the trash like these reboots and these pathetic superhero movies being made today. Some of the worst movies ever made, period.

[@calessel3139]

Nowadays they'd need a whole week just to review all the bad movies.

[@milkmyduds]

Leonard Parts 1-5 being classified raises all sorts of questions.

[@felicity4711]

I thought they did give Judge Reinhold’s character a life. He had all these plants and fish and guns in his apartment. It was neat.

[@mooseyman74]

His back story is Fast Times at Ridgemont High

[@sleuthentertainment5872]

"Oh, there's so clever, Hollywood"😂😂 Poor Siskel, he could not believe what Hollywood does today!

[@shermanshecapio3944]

I miss watching their shows siskel and ebert are great tv hosts rip gents ❤️🌹🥀🌷

[@sngrytr1]

Stallone’s talk with the kid was an early, and much less inspiring version of his GREAT (sunshine and rainbows) speech in Rocky Balboa...

[@Vaporvice84]

And even Travolta's director tells him the same thing in "Stayin' Alive". Sly may not be in the movie, but even only in the director's chair, he has to have that scene where the lead character is down on himself and needs a pep talk from someone that explains to them that in life, if you want it, you gotta take it yourself.

[@babyshambler]

I would have bet my paycheck that Jaws: The Revenge would have been in there.

[@TheDudeOfSteel87]

@Chris Foster nah that film was just alright despite the cheap special effects and editing

[@thorgrootsweetrabbit2244]

JAWS the Revenge is the mother of the roaring shark, The Asylum patterned their movies after that one.

[@coolbreeze3856]

They did review Jaws Revenge on a different show. That laughed their butts off at it. Ripped it up pretty good.

[@derekp308]

Wasn't their review on the regular show funny enough? Some movies didn't deserve revisiting.

[@thorgrootsweetrabbit2244]

@@missioncodez I'll have to watch it again, I must have missed that part?

[@LukeMaynard]

Roger Ebert: "Eddie Murphy's talented is wasted on these awful scripts." Gene Siskel: "In this next one, a man and his son trade brains, so clever. Next thing you know they're gonna make a film about two guys who trade wallets." Roger Ebert: "That's not a bad idea." Eddie Murphy: "Mother****er, ain't you ever seen Trading Places?!"

[@sha11235]

They didn't trade wallets.

[@sha11235]

Also, that was due to those asshole Duke brothers making a one dollar bet. It wasn't what Gene was talking about. However, a few years later there was a film called Taking Care of Business that used that idea, but they didn't see it.

[@standarsh8056]

@@sha11235 not literally you muppet....

[@sha11235]

@@standarsh8056 I am NOT a Muppet.

[@sha11235]

@Kelly Lumac Well, it wasn't reviewed on the show though.

[@michaeldownstairs]

10:29 _Taking Care of Business_ (1990) James Belushi ends up with Charles Grodin’s wallet and has to fill in for him

[@CaiominTwin]

also isn't trading places essentially this premise?

[@PJVids83]

@@CaiominTwin Yeah, but Taking Care of Business came out after Siskel said this and his idea is closer in story to that one.

[@salaciouspancakes]

I liked Beverly Hills Cop II, and it's a hell of a lot better than the third one.

[@connarcowanakacliffordoneo9095]

BHC 2 was very fast freewheeling and funny!

[@bobthebear1246]

@@connarcowanakacliffordoneo9095 No, it wasn't. It was screamingly loud, obnoxious, and very, painfully, agonizingly not funny.

[@connarcowanakacliffordoneo9095]

@@bobthebear1246 I disagree. Good action. Funny lines. And has a good story. Great cast too!

[@perrymehta6438]

S P not to me. I prefer part iii. It wasn’t boring. It was the first I saw but it’s not my favorite. The original is. There is a reason why they put II on their worst of list

[@xuriostyle3543]

The funny part is Judge Reinhold being a Rambo wannabe. "We gotta talk..."

[@sawysauce1256]

About half of youtube owe there careers to these two men.

[@robertslydell6990]

I think about what it takes to get a film made and I'm amazed... someone wrote a script about arm wrestling, it got pitched to somebody who said yes, then he ran it up the flagpole and more people said yes, a budget was committed to it and on it goes...no adult supervisor ever stepped up and said "hey, guys....we're talking about a movie about ARM WRESTLING! WTF is wrong with you people!?"

[@bobthebear1246]

BECAUSE...THE WINNER TAKES IT ALL...THE LOSER HAS TO FALL! 😆

[@HAL-rx5ln]

And Kubrick could't get his Napoleon made, just one of thousands of examples. Stupid people.

[@sha11235]

What helped Stallone get that film made was it was a Cannon release and the guy who ran it (Menahem Golan) was a guy who would green light so much stuff at once because he had no control over himself. Also, he directed Over the Top.

[@calessel3139]

What gets made in Hollywood depends much more on how famous you are and who you know than the quality of the script material or film idea.

[@sandal_thong8631]

_Stop or My Mom Will Shoot_

[@goldentaco4970]

Those of us who were 7 or 8 in 1987 love Over the Top!!!!

[@tylerwirkkala7311]

Totally, I was 7. It’s still in my top 10. I can watch it once a week. And secret of my success is a classic. Territno even put it on his top 5 movies of 1987

[@gorgolyt]

I can't believe Stallone made a film about arm wrestling, it literally sounds like a joke. 😂

[@fenian123]

I saw it on a plane and several people walked out

[@mooseyman74]

​@@fenian123😂😂😂

[@Vaporvice84]

And directed by half the brains of Cannon Pictures too, lol.

[@Brandon-rq3ys]

OMG! Like Father, Like Son! Haha! I haven't seen that movie in 20 years! It used to be one of my childhood favorites. I NEED to go and buy a copy of that one. As well as 'No Holds Barred' and 'Over The Top'!

[@DandyLion662a]

Years ago I tried to watch Ishtar when there was something or a minor critical re-evaluation going on. I tried, I really tried, but I don't think I even made it to the half hour mark. It was painful.

[@michaeldownstairs]

Sometimes, the rest of the herd is right! :-)

[@connorbrennan4233]

@@michaeldownstairs Indeed. Taking the counter-culture opinion for the sake of it doesn't always work out.

[@littlekingtrashmouth9219]

I didn’t think it was as bad as people said back then, but it wasn’t any masterpiece either. It really should just be a forgotten comedy that wasn’t as funny as it thought it was.

[@chrisk3704]

Over the Top is one of the best movies ever made. Everyone was arm wrestling in school when it came out back in the day. Just gotta turn that hat around!

[@babybird871]

ever made...No!!!! stay off the crack before you post.....

[@hv3115]

Lol. That movie has a special place in my heart. I guess because i saw it when i was a child. At its core, it's about a father-son relationship and i guess it affected me a lot as a kid with a troubled relationship with my dad.

[@stever7157]

I liked the movie but the kid was a horrible actor.

[@brian-vz5hz]

Doing his best Demi Moore impression. Not what the script asked for

[@leoprince691]

Over The Top is nowhere near one of the best movies ever. It's cheesy and predictable. Plus it's about arm wrestling, like come on! It's one thing to enjoy it, but one of the best movies ever made? In no universe is that even close to being true.

[@Teeveepicksures]

I whistle the theme to this all the time while getting ready in the morning 😂

[@bodyloverz30]

The Secret of My Success, represents the ethos of the 1980's.

[@CaptainSpalding72]

Nope. It's a shitbag, boring film.

[@cheddarcheese7928]

@@CaptainSpalding72 I dont think George B was saying Secret Success was a good flick..He was saying it represents the 80's in a nut shell with money being secret of success

[@CaptainSpalding72]

@@cheddarcheese7928 thats prolly accurate. Despite the flick stinking.

[@michaelkrolewski7406]

Like Wallstreet, only not as good

[@markdemell3717]

Ethos ???

[@rmartin7558]

The Secret of My Success was great. Over the Top had a classic '80's soundtrack featuring Kenny Loggins and Sammy Hagar.

[@FungusMossGnosis]

Great? Haha, whatever, man.

[@markdemell3717]

Mr Furly ,hahaha ,I love it .

[@markelijio6012]

Both non stop soundtracks were truly unstoppable. Both were from Mercury Records (PolyGram) and Columbia Records (Sony).

[@bobsmith5185]

Beverly Hills Cop II & The Secret of My Success were both great, fun films

[@VladimirPutin-p3t]

Depends on your standards, I guess.

[@idsullymichaels]

Graduated high school in 87 - don't think I heard of/remember any of these beside Beverley Hills Cop 2 and Ishtar

[@magnusskallagrimsson6707]

Ugh... Ishtar. My Dad, who ignored reviews, draggedme to see Ishtar. We left like halfway through the film. We led a mass exodus out of the theatre, all of us wanting our money back. And we got it back. Terrible film. Every so often I meet people who *like* Ishtar and I wonder who hurt them so deeply?

[@hihowareyouthen]

Anyone who claims to like Ishtar is *probably* a tiresome, contrarian, "everyone dislikes it, so I'm gonna like it 😏" type

[@VladimirPutin-p3t]

Now they're all the trump voters. Sorry, couldn't help it!

[@mijreed]

Miss these 2 guys.

[@mightisright]

Why do these movies seem more intriguing than anything made today?

[@mooseyman74]

Because everyone is downloading or streaming and losing braincells

[@jonhall3151]

Yeah. Remember watching these guys many times growing up…when we had cable lol both are now gone. Godspeed and thank you, S & E!

[@classicvideogoodies]

Anyone remember if they reviewed "Flowers in the Attic" that year? I found no print reviews from them either. That usually meant they couldn't find time to review it (which was unlikely due to the film's high profile at the time), or they saw it but hated it so much that they walked out of the theater mid-movie and didn't review it. The movie was widely panned at the time, so the latter was likely. S&E had a policy with the studios that if they walked out on a film, they weren't allowed to review it or talk about it -- sort of like a NDA.

[@bobthebear1246]

I forgot about that film. It nearly ended Victoria Tennant's career (which honestly was only revived due to her soon-to-be romance with and marriage to Steve Martin, who put her in all of his films in the late-80's - early-90's). It did end Louise Fletcher's film career, and nearly her entire acting career until "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" saved it soon afterwards.

[@sha11235]

It could be that they didn't see it because it wasn't screened for them.

[@TheMav41]

I think it was 1988. Great movie with a surprise ending!

[@bartsullivan4866]

I thought "Flowers in the Attic" was just a TV movie not something that got a theatrical run. I liked the movie and its grim dark tone. I have heard the book was even better. If it was just made for TV S&E would not have reviewed it.

[@stornkolson]

Mine and my cuzzos favorite movie back then. We had shitty families.

[@danieldalton6544]

Jaws the Revenge and Superman IV: The Quest For Peace should have been in their list.

[@sha11235]

They didn't review the Superman film. As for Jaws the Revenge, they said at the beginning that some of the films they could've mentioned weren't worth a second look. I guess this was one of them.

[@str.77]

Are there any big stars in those movies? Because that was their premise.

[@Kylopod]

@@str.77 Jaws the Revenge had Michael Caine, and they utterly (and hilariously) trashed the film when it came out. Ebert gave it zero stars, so it was obviously in the realm of films he might have included among his worst of '87. They just for whatever reason decided not to include it on this list.

[@str.77]

@@Kylopod Okay. Thanks for the info. Jaws was never my scene, I'm afraid. Nor was Superman.

[@Kylopod]

@@str.77 Just for the record, I've never seen Jaws: The Revenge. I have seen Superman IV--as a kid, and even at that uncritical age I had some awareness of how awful it was. (I am, though, a fan of the first Jaws and the first two Superman films.)

[@TheMav41]

Secret Of My Success is a decent movie. One of the many good movies that I saw in a theater in 1987!

[@grantmaxwell5361]

KZbin with a rare W! They left these legendary episodes up for all of us to enjoy. But what happens when your man wants to watch some Jake and the Fatman on here? "STOP! THIEF!"

[@connorbrennan4233]

They may not have forgotten Ishtar, but they've certainly forgotten Jaws: The Revenge. Actually, maybe that's a good thing.

[@et2petty]

I think Ishtar is funny, to be honest, I love that show. Part of it is that I played low dollar gigs, many times!!.

[@sha11235]

It wasn't worth it to discuss. Here are some others they could've put on their worst list: Summer School, Three o"Clock High, Superman 4, Garbage Pail Kids movie, The Lost City of Gold, Disorderlies.

[@petevaldezbc1]

The topic is box office bombs with big stars. Jaws the Revenge doesn't have big stars (aside from Michael Caine in a supporting role)

[@markelijio6012]

@@petevaldezbc1 Sir Michael Caine made a healthy comeback after a series of unsuccessful flops. Hits like Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, The Muppets Christmas Carol, Little Voice, The Cider House Rules (AA, 2000), Miss Congeniality, The Quiet American (AAN, 2003), Austin Powers 3, Batman Begins, Bewitched, Children of Men among others.

[@curleed85]

Ishtar was so infamous I heard it referenced in the PC game “Hoyle Casino” in a negative way.

[@anthonyv1719]

Secret of My Success - low budget film that still has charm today....

[@markelijio6012]

Producer-director Herbert Ross and producers Ray Stark, Martin Jurow, executive producers Joseph M. Caracciolo, Mary Kay Powell and associate producer Norman Gay whose notable contributions to help make Focus' The Secret of My Success - 1987's low budget film that still has charm today.

[@ToyFiend]

I wish Siskel & Ebert will still around to review the Fast and Furious movies.

[@connorbrennan4233]

Ebert reviewed at least the first five. He gave them all positive reviews.

[@titusmccarthy]

@@connorbrennan4233 Ebert's reviews made no sense.

[@RewindingVHS]

Saw Secret of My Success in the theatre opening weekend. Audience loved it! Only years-decades later do I discover how wrong I was for enjoying this “gem.” Oh, ignorance is truly bliss!

[@davidl570]

Wouldn't call it a gem, but it really wasn't THAT bad.

[@CorbCorbin]

Pryor was suffering from MS, and it was really fucking him up by then. You can see it in his eyes from this movie through Harlem Nights. But a great film he did was Moving, it's insane.

[@robertslydell6990]

In the Pryor documentary from a few years ago, he's shown openly crapping on Moving on (I think) the Tonight Show.

[@markelijio6012]

In addition, Mel Brooks' company Brooksfilms who produced lavish comedies that make audiences laugh, cry and think. And the result was "Moving" with Richard Pryor. Released by Warner Bros. in 1988.

[@dcxxxx]

Note to self: Never, ever, under ANY circumstances, use a cement truck in a chase scene.

[@Johnnyloo64]

Stallone's speech to his bratty kid was actually wise and worthwhile.

[@patrickkavanagh7371]

i agree

[@tommytimp]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Stallone was the highest-paid actor in the world. Shut the fuck up.

[@connorbrennan4233]

tommytimp I'd care more about a great screenplay than a great paycheck.

[@user-rx4sq5ds3j]

John Breidenthal Come on, it's the sort of stuff you would find on a daytime soap opera.

[@trsniffy]

It's as wise as a bumper sticker. There's a reason why the Bible is a book, and the people who quote from it really don't understand what it's saying....

[@PeterJurik]

I love some of those movies for nostalgic reasons. I was born in 1989 and I know Over the Top since the early 90s, so this one means a lot too me. But even something like Beverly Hills Cop 2 and the Secret of my Success, which I first saw in 2013 and 2017 respectively.

[@sandal_thong8631]

I wouldn't think of calling any of the top ten most grossing movies of 1987 "bombs" or one of the "worst films of the year." Today they advertise to get people into the theater opening weekend. Or a money-making movie might be saved by the overseas market that want to see babes, cars and/or robots. People who saw _Beverly Hills Cop 2_ and _The Secret of My Success_ had a chance to read reviews and hear word-of-mouth to walk away, but they chose not to.

[@sha11235]

Love the typing in the ending credits.

[@reneedennis2011]

I do, too!

[@gspendlove]

Their _Leonard Part 6_ review is seriously one of the funniest dishings I've ever seen. The only thing that matches it is Mark Twain's _The Literary Offences of James Fenimore Cooper_.

[@suzycreamcheesez4371]

+gspendlove dissings Unless you mean plates, saucers, cups.

[@indy_go_blue6048]

@@suzycreamcheesez4371 Well they might have thrown dishes at the screen lol.

[@suzycreamcheesez4371]

@@indy_go_blue6048 uh huh As Metallica says nothing else matters! aloha nui loa We're done!

[@calessel3139]

Twaine's criticism of Cooper is hilarious.

[@curleed85]

@@indy_go_blue6048Or tins pulled with pies?

[@PetersPianoShoppe]

10:30 Gene Siskel unknowingly writes the plot of the 1990 Jim Belushi comedy “Taking Care Of Business.” And I bet they didn’t even give him a screenwriting credit. (Note: they didn’t. It’s freakin’ J.J. Abrams. The guy who wrote Regarding Henry.)

[@cherylhulting1301]

Siskel did that a lot, actually, dreamed up joking alternate plots for movies he hated. Hell, half the time his ideas WERE more interesting than the original premise.

[@ilovebrandnewcarpets]

It’s funny that Jean mentions that over the top could be like rocky 55… In the 2006 Rocky Balboa Stallone gives a very similar speech to his son in that movie, as he gives to his young son in Over The Top

[@tdrewman]

A lot of these movies were my favorites of that year.

[@wahmaster2788]

Over the top is stupid but i still love it.

[@jelpack05]

the secret of my success is a great movie.

[@docthemetalfreak]

this may be a dumb question but how did "The Garbage Pail Kids Movie" not make this list?

[@docthemetalfreak]

or maybe they just decided not to see it. smarter than most people who saw it lol.

[@docthemetalfreak]

im a little scared to ask what she thought of it lol

[@WordUnheard]

They said in the beginning that they were going after the big movies and blockbusters of that year. To quote Roger Ebert @1:12 "Not so much the little bad films, but the big blockbuster bombs." The Garbage Pail Kids Movie only cost 1 million to make and barely made that amount back.

[@PJVids83]

I don't think it was screened for critics.

[@sha11235]

Yeah, they might not have seen it.

[@fenian123]

Can't really blame Whoopi, even with the success of The Color Purple it would have been hard for her to get the good top tier roles like Meryl Streep and Kathleen Turner.

[@sha11235]

Well, at least do something that is original and not retreaded garbage or a film deal. Whoopi did that for several years until Ghost.

[@fenian123]

@@sha11235 The only movies she could have done would have been small, independent films. not much money but at least self respect

[@Atomykpimp]

3’O Clock High came out in 1987 and was absolutely hysterical and well written and one if those movies, even today that’s still fun to watch.

[@thegreatreverendx]

Elbert’s hair seems to be giving all the movies a thumbs-up.

[@tjwilson2424]

There won’t be a Leonard Part 7 lol

[@jonisilk]

10:30 Gene predicts "Taking Care of Business"/"Filofax" 3 years ahead of time.

[@jplopp7388]

Leonard part 6 taught me that rabbits and trout attack people randomly. It also taught me that hot dogs make heads explode. All because of shampoo.

[@Xayjohns]

This movie is the most bafflingly bad movie I've ever seen in my life. If I was born in 1987 and saw it in theaters, I would have walked out. I caught it on streaming and cut it off midway. Finished it weeks later and I was surprised that it actually got worse. It's personally the worst movie I've ever seen.

[@curleed85]

Sounds every bit as incomprehensible as “Ghost Dad,” whose rules about ghosts are totally inconsistent, seeming to just change on a whim.

[@zetetick395]

It's knowledge like this that will hold you in good stead throughout life 🌭

[@unholyperiodza5442]

No Jaws The REVENGE? They joked over this and hated It!! What's with these two?

[@sha11235]

Maybe they felt it wasn't worth looking at again. They already did dump on a sequel anyway.

[@orbison]

S&E did say that the theme of the show was big stars who bomed big time, in their eyes, in 1987. They must have felt that Jaws The Revenge was already destined to be a bad movie, already flopped big with audiences and critics, and Michael Caine, talented actor he is, was not the big box office name that Michael J. Fox or Whoopi Goldberg were at the time.

[@andrewhoyle1521]

@SWill0281 They say it at the top of the show in the review. Helen Brodly was a "trivia question". by that time. Michael Caine's career hadn't reached the pinnacle its at now.

[@unholyperiodza5442]

@@orbison It had Shinji Ikaris voice actor who played Mike Brody

[@sha11235]

@@orbison Caine actually gave up the opportunity to accept his Oscar for Hannah and Her Sisters because he was filming Jaws 4. I guess he felt that if he had left the set, he couldn't bring himself to come back. So winning an Oscar doesn't make you a big box office name?

[@michaeltischuk7972]

Wow, a newspaper truck, even a newspaper...that's so 1980's!!!

[@lesslycarthan1893]

I was 17 and drunk n high but bh2 was among the buffet of summer fest I enjoyed it while barfing in the 2nd row

[@milesdevinny5759]

The fact Ebert of all people is saying "drop trou" all the way back in 1987 is blowing my mind.

[@jackwalker4744]

Not having Siskel & Ebert, or any worthy successor since Ebert & Roper (despite many attempts), has been a severe cultural disadvantage in America for the last couple of decades.

[@mikemayers8672]

What. People are just dumber these days

[@HkFinn83]

Agreed, there really is nobody in the culture anymore with a strong intelligent voice e reviewing movies. There’s the still good writers but they don’t have a big audience, and there are a million podcasts and KZbin channels that just don’t have the critical or artistic eye to do it well.

[@jackwalker4744]

@@HkFinn83 BTW, the worst example of this cultural deficit that I personally saw was on Roger's own attempt to provide a successor to S&E (after Gene died, "Ebert & Roper" had run its course, and Roger lost his voice to surgery), when his two young proteges contradicted the absolute lowest review to ever appear on any of the S&E programs: "I Spit on Your Grave." Roger and Gene could not have condemned that "film" for its misogynistic violence any more deeply, both agreeing that it was the worst release of that year. But the two MTV-era reviewers, probably having been desensitized by additional decades of mindlessly portrayed cruelty, felt that it had merit. (They do deserve credit for personal integrity for daring to contradict their boss, even if their conclusion was patently wrong.)

[@tomlion0116]

OMG! The old day's when "bad" movies (BHC 2, Secret of my Succes) are betten the most movies today! (Sorry Bad Eng!)

[@CorbCorbin]

TomLion I like The Secret of My Success, but I thought Helen Slater was a goddess after Legend Of Billy Jean and Supergirl. I was a young boy.

[@leighfoulkes7297]

So true!!

[@shelleywelly81]

#10 Tough Guys Don't Dance #9 Over The Top #8 Ninja Commandments #7 Howling III #6 Leonard Part 6 #5 Silent Night, Deadly Night Part 2 #4 Superman IV: The Quest For Peace #3 Teen Wolf 2 #2 The Garbage Pail Kids Movie #1 Jaws: The Revenge

[@tempolost]

Now that's a good worst list, thank you

[@jmjfanss]

I hated the final jaws sequel.

[@calessel3139]

Howling III is so bad it's actually entertaining.

[@curleed85]

Didn’t #5 have that “GARBAGE DAY” scene? Phelous mentioned that in one old video or two.

[@christophertaylor9100]

No, Roger. That IS Whoopi's potential. That's as good as she gets.

[@hurgenflerg2133]

"Next thing you know, they're gonna make a film about two guys who trade wallets." Three years later, Hollywood Pictures made Taking Care of Business with almost that exact concept. It was terrible.

[@sha11235]

But they liked it and it was a hit. They did not review it on the show but reviewed it separately for their papers.

[@hurgenflerg2133]

@@sha11235 They might have liked it, but it was not a hit. The movie was a box office disappointment, making only five million over its budget (probably not enough to clear advertising costs) and receiving generally negative reviews. And, like I said, it's a terrible movie.

[@sha11235]

@@hurgenflerg2133 For some reason I remember it doing well. Of course, I did not look at the box office grosses for it, but I remember it being in theaters for awhile.

[@zombiedodge1426]

Gene at 10:30: "Next thing you know they're going to make a movie about two guys who trade wallets and then trade identities." That actually is very close to the plot of 1990's "Taking Care of Business" with Jim Belushi and Charles Grodin!

[@MellissaBoomeroftheNight]

The best indie films from that year were Matewan, Barfly, and Prick up Your Ears. Between '85 and '89, we fell in love with the indie genre. Baghdad Cafe, Sid and Nancy, Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown, The Bad Lieutenant, Betty Blue, Eddie Murphy's Raw, and My Beautiful are among some of my favorites.

[@eugenerabinovich1115]

Ha. If they think Beverly Hills Cop II is bad, wait till they see the third one.

[@sha11235]

They did.

[@fmminformation]

Or probably the 4th one

[@Ken_Scaletta]

Ishtar is good for like the first half hour when it's just about two talentless songwriters finding each other. That was a good enough premise on its own. The whole "adventure" thing just wrecked something that was going pretty well as a light comedy.

[@Tyler45nilbog]

Saw most of these in the theatre. I guess a nine year old is easily entertained

[@cliffordshafran9250]

Completely disagree with "Secret of My Success" on this list, although that was a very funny line by Roger. I agree with the rest of their choices. Beverly Hills Cop 2 and 3 were truly awful (although they didn't like the first one either), showing that almost all comedy sequels stink. Never saw "Over the Top", and given the scenes I've seen, and the subject matter, I don't think I'm missing anything. "Burglar" was terrible, and it was during a bad run of flops for Whoopi, ending with "Sister Act" and "Ghost". "Leonard, Part 6" and "Ghost Dad"? Ummm, you make your own opinions about Cosby's career and his off-the-screen problems. And "Ishtar" was voted worst movie by just about all critics.

[@cliffordshafran9250]

"Over the Top" is now on IMDB Freedive. I STILL won't watch it, not even out of curiosity.

[@777JonT]

Over the Top is actually a really fun movie, guys.

[@michaelkrolewski7406]

Murphy called Cop 3, Die Hard in Disneyland. Lol

[@ricardocantoral7672]

The first Beverly Hills Cop wasn't that good of a movie but Eddie was in top form.

[@postersandstuff]

@@ricardocantoral7672 BH Cop 2 was good , not as good as the first but still good on its own imo

[@philiphatfield5666]

"Critical Condition" opened on a Friday, and there were six people in the theater for the 8:00 p.m. show----six!

[@nonplayerzealot4]

I saw Over The Top at the movies that year, haha. Yes, really. I was the age of that kid though, I didn't know any better.

[@nonplayerzealot4]

I saw Beverly Hills Cop 2 as well. Liked it then, still like it. I don't care that the first one was better because I like that one too.

[@CorbCorbin]

nonplayerzealot4 I saw both. Beverley Hills Cop 2 was hilarious. But Over The Top was a little too much. I always liked the name Lincoln Hawk though.

CorbCorbin "Over The Top was a little too much"...……………………..uh, no pun intended?

[@sha11235]

Me, too. Because some other people wanted to. I didn't hate the film, but I didn't think it was a masterpiece.

[@markelijio6012]

I don't know what to say, but what I would like to say about watching these movies and seeing which I like the most. For starters, "Beverly Hills Cop 2", "The Secret of My Success", "Like Father Like Son" were doing quite well while "Over the Top", "Burglar", "Critical Condition" were stunning cult favorites and even "Ishtar", "Leonard Part 6" as well as others were not doing better to say the least. Hope you got it, everybody!

[@jadentrez]

"If You're Not My Daughter, Will You Still Be Mine?" is as good as anything Simon and Garfunkel every wrote.

[@slyjokerg]

They already did the "swap wallets" movie. It was called Trading Places.

[@sha11235]

They didn't swap wallets. Didn't you see that film?

[@slyjokerg]

@@sha11235 Did you see the quote marks in "swap wallets"?? Don't you know what that indicates in that context?

[@sha11235]

@@slyjokerg No. I figured that meant that they actually swap wallets.

[@slyjokerg]

@@sha11235 It meant that they figuratively swapped wallets, meaning that, as the title tells you, they "trade places." It has been done many times, in various ways, in many movies. Actual wallets don't have to be involved, and they aren't the point of the comment.

[@PowerGlove79]

Genes idea for a movie about 2 guys switching wallets kinda was made. It was called "Taking Care Of Business"

[@sha11235]

And they didn't review it on the show, interestingly enough.

[@phillafella]

@@sha11235 There is a video of Ebert reviewing TCoB on KZbin. He gave it a thumbs-up.

[@jasonx1580]

I need the 1988 edition of Roger Ebert's Movie Home Companion

[@sha11235]

Look on Amazon for it. I have it.

[@patrickshields5251]

sha11235 So what are his essays for that edition?

[@sha11235]

@@patrickshields5251 No essays, but he did do put interviews in there for the first time. Oh, wait, one essay he put in was the whole thing about Angel Heart and the idea for an A rating. Otherwise, they were all interviews.

[@patrickshields5251]

@@sha11235 I think he also wrote about The Legacy of Star Wars in that book and his first time collecting Laserdiscs.

[@sha11235]

@@patrickshields5251 Yes, correct.